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Dead, deceased, it is no more, it has shuffled off its mortal coil, the Carbon tax has fucking snuffed it, or death of a vile impost on our lives.

The tragedy of the Carbon tax/ETS is not in its passing but that it ever existed in the first place because it was always based on a false premise, namely that it was ever going to make the slightest bit of difference to the global climate and so many leaders, on both sides of politics have been destroyed by it.  It took out Rudd, Turnbull and Gillard in turn and it also played its part in taking out the resurrected Rudd as well. There has been more bullshit produced to promote the various incarnations of this toxic scheme than our national herd. And for what? All that it ever gave us was a wildly expensive token gesture and a rather nasty piece of socialist wealth redistribution which in layman’s language means it was a totally useless money churn.

Even if you believe the AGW proposition there is no reason to believe in the often chanted mantra that the best way to address it is through a “market mechanism” because there is absolutely no reason to believe that such a mechanism  can ever produce the desired outcome without some nasty unforeseen consequences, of which the massive spike in energy costs is a rather good example, and before anyone says “its the gold plating of the poles and wires” that caused the majority  of those price rises  I’m going to say that the “gold plating” is just another example of the same thinking that the poor long suffering consumers are an eternal milch cow that can be taken for granted by planers and ideologues just as they take for granted the idea that costs for essential commodities can rise endlessly  and no one will suffer or object.

Suffer and object we have and now the vile impost on every aspect of our lives has be dispatched to the dustbin of history and any claims that it will bring down Abbott in its passing are utterly ridiculous. The trend in technology now  is very much focused on energy being used as efficiently as possible and for that I do think that, to some extent,  we can  thank the panic merchants of the Green Religion but just as we can take from the Christian religion useful notions of community and what makes a good society without taking on the supernatural Mumbo Jumbo of that faith. So to we can take the good things that have come from the Green religion, like seeing our planet and its biosphere as a whole and complexly interconnected entity of which we are just a small part, but we can let go of its millenarian prognostications and dire predictions of doom  because no matter what life and the earth itself is far more resilient and adaptive than the doom merchants of the Green religion are willing to admit

Cheers Comrades

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22 Comments

  1. Rossini says:

    Well written

  2. Ray Dixon says:

    Tony Abbott’s “achievements” in his first 12 months in office:

    1. Reduced the amount of Govt revenue receipts by repealing taxes on big businesses (carbon & mining taxes)
    2. Drafted a ‘cunning plan’ to recoup those losses by removing benefits from and increasing taxes on the low-middle income earners, pensioners, disabled, unemployed and youth … only to find the Senate won’t let it through.

    Well done Tony – you are an economic genius.

  3. Iain Hall says:

    Thanks for that Rossini its easy to write something like that when its about something that I have been advocating for the best part of four years

  4. richard ryan says:

    Tony Abbott is a Climate Terrorist, and as such should be treated like any other terrorist. Off Topic, lots of carbon emitting from the bodies of the plane crash in central Asia.

  5. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    You may see it with such a jaundiced eye but you can not pretend that the repeal of the Carbon and the stopping of the people smugglers have been a very clear fulfillment of Abbott’s election promises. With the end of teh “fixed” carbon prices receipts for the carbon tax were going to crash with the rate collapse anyway, As for the Mining tax the magic puddenieers in the PUP are refusing to allow an end to the unfunded expenditure associated with it which is ridiculous and I can see them and the ALP & Greens being thrashed electorally for it because only the ALP can design a tax that collects NO revenue and only an economic idiot spends the non-existent revenue in such a profligate manner. If the ALP had any smarts they would get out of the way on the mining tax repeal and accept the spending cuts as well BECAUSE the spending is unfunded. A mea culpa now would be respected but of they hold out they will never have any economic credibility with the mining tax still on the books

  6. GD says:

    Yes, Iain, a well-written post. As usual, the leftist shriek-bats are up in arms. They’re predicting all sorts of mayhem and calamity now that the evil Tony has taken away their useless for the climate but targeted wealth distribution scheme.

    Check out twitter, courtesy of Tim Blair. The twitterverse is in full rage.

    A pertinent post by Blair, although he failed to mention that while Gillard said there would be no carbon tax under her government, the resurrected Rudd reckoned he’d get rid of it. Now Bill Shorten is promising to again impose a carbon tax that hits middle income earners while allowing electricity companies to pass on the tax. The carbon tax also applied to hospitals with huge electricity bills. Socialist insanity.

  7. Ray Dixon says:

    only the ALP can design a tax that collects NO revenue and only an economic idiot spends the non-existent revenue in such a profligate manner.

    Iain, here’s the rub:

    If, as you claim, the Mining Tax “collects NO revenue”, why is Abbott wanting to dismantle it? And why is the Nazi Finance Minister Cormann(ator) bitching that the repeal is “urgently required” because miners are due to pay another installment by the 21st of July? The answer is simple:

    The mining tax is indeed an effective revenue raiser (and a needed one) that will indeed collect heaps of (much needed) Govt revenue. It hasn’t so far because guess why? Gina et al have deferred projects and profits (by creative accounting) to avoid the ‘super profit’ level until AFTER it is repealed.

    Iain … serious question:

    Why are you so keen to see the likes of Rinehart make even more $billions at the expense of the rest of us?

    Anyway, this all proves my point that Abbott and his government are the real economic lunatics. Worse still, they’re economic vandals.

  8. Iain Hall says:

    GD did you see this story also in the tele:

    shows how little the Greens really care

  9. GD says:

    this all proves my point that Abbott and his government are the real economic lunatics. Worse still, they’re economic vandals.

    No Ray, it doesn’t. The previous Coalition government left the nation with a huge surplus. The previous Labor government left us with a $600 billion debt, with a current one billion per month in interest payments.

  10. Ray Dixon says:

    Oh God, GD, don’t revert to simple, stupid arguments like that one please. Howard wasn’t facing a GFC. Abbott isn’t either so what’s his excuse for failing to make a dent on the deficit and debt (even increasing the debt!) so far? He doesn’t have one. Are you blind? Can’t you see that Abbott is simply about redistributing the wealth in this country to the top end, even though they neither deserve or need his help? If Abbott were serious about reducing the deficit and debt levels he’d not be removing the Mining tax – he’d be reinforcing it. QED.

  11. GD says:

    Nice catch Iain, just like Gore, Flannery and all the other rent-seekers, it’s ‘do as I say, not as I do.’

    When Milne, communist Rhiannon and Sarah Two-Fathers go back to living in caves we might listen to them. Actually we won’t, we’ll just laugh.

    More leftist lunacy.

  12. Iain Hall says:

    Ray its not a case of me not wanting anyone, least of all Gina, not to pay their fair share, because I think the best way to do that is with a by the ton royalty for whatever they dig up. But even you would have to admit that the mining tax is a dud, and its a dud that costs MORE to administer than it collects, worse still its legislation mandates the spending of money that does not exist mate that is just woeful and you want it to stay?
    Just imagine that you had a holiday unit at GG that has a huge mortgage on it and all that you can get it to return to you is a tiny fraction of your monthly mortgage would you think that was a good part of the Dixon empire and keep thinking that if only you could get Gina to take a longtime booking it would be worth it?

  13. GD says:

    If Abbott were serious about reducing the deficit and debt levels he’d not be removing the Mining tax – he’d be reinforcing it.

    The Mining Tax has raised diddley squat.

    Why is a comment about an interest payment of $1 billion per month a ‘simple, stupid argument’?

    That debt didn’t exist prior to 2008.

    Why are you so concerned about reducing the debt level? Didn’t you reckon we didn’t have a budget emergency?

    Clearly with you it’s:

    Labor=good

    Liberal=bad

  14. GD says:

    Great stuff, Iain! You’re on fire!

  15. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain, your analogy of comparing a miniscule royalty that Gina pays (to exploit the minerals that she doesn’t own in the first place) with a “huge mortgage” on a private property sucks … big time. I’m glad you made it though. The mining tax doesn’t kick in until the company has made a super profit and even then is only 20% of that profit above the ‘super profit’ level. Get it? She’ll hardly get less return than the tiny (I repeat, tiny) royalty fee she pays to mine the crap out of land she doesn’t own.

    You don’t get it do you? Miners operate on an old and out-of-date law that allows then to claim mining rights over vast tracts of land that they don’t own. This goes back to the gold rush days. Okay, we have to have mining but why should we let miners off the hook by only applying the normal rates of tax when for quite some time now (due to China’s rise) these miners have really hit it rich and are going gangbusters digging up more and more dirt (that they don’t own) on land that they pay a pithy royalty over (but don’t own). The mining royalty is not even the equivalent of what they would pay to lease that land, Iain. Think of it this way: If you were to rent a farm would you have the right to dig up all the top soil and sell it off? No, you wouldn’t. So I ask you again, why are you opposed to Gina paying an extra 20% tax on the profit she makes above & beyond the already enormous profit she makes. It doesn’t make any sense (or balance) Iain.

    As for saying “even you would have to admit that the mining tax is a dud”, well no, I don’t admit that. I say it’s been avoided so far by the likes of Gina in the hope (read certainty) that Abbott will remove it for her so she can go on making obscene and undeserved profits … all at the expense of you and I.

  16. Ray Dixon says:

    GD, Howard left a net debt of $60 billion, even though he presided over an economic boom (engineered for him by Keating) and even though he introduced a massive new tax (GST) and even though he failed to spend much on infrastructure. Labor left a net debt of $258 billion after they were hit by a global meltdown and a decrease in govt revenue but nonetheless implemented and built a shitload of new infrastructure and even managed to keep the economy out of recession and growing and unemployment and interest rates at rock bottom levels (as opposed to Howard’s 10% levels). This is basic economics, a field you are none too expert in so maybe leave it there and talk about the here and now, huh?

    Btw, I didn’t say I was “concerned about reducing (govt) debt level”, I merely pointed out that your man Abbott ain’t too good at it either. For instance, what’s our debt level now, after nearly 12 months of Abbott’s economic genius? Last time I checked it’d gone up by nearly $100 billion since phony Tony took over. Oh, and he’s increased the borrowing level to $500 billion, meaning he intends to keep increasing the debt.

  17. Ray Dixon says:

    Great stuff, Iain! You’re on fire!

    How do you claim that Iain’s “big mortgage” analogy is in any way relevant, GD? I’d say it was shot down in FLAMES. Perhaps you should put away the Liberal party floggers and stop your cheer squad (junior member) barracking, Joffa.

  18. GD says:

    Last time I checked it’d gone up by nearly $100 billion since phony Tony took over

    Ray, Labor locked in ‘time-bombs’ that have effected the incoming government.

    Now that McTiernan has returned to the UK and Bruce Hawker is marginalised, you really should apply for the job of Labor spin-doctor.

    You’re great at glossing over Labor’s errors and failures while denying any success that the Abbott government has had.

    May I remind you, the Libs have stopped the boats, saving the Australian economy billions in future welfare payments and also hundreds of lives. The Abbott government has dismantled the useless carbon tax. Both were election promises and agreed upon by the majority of the electorate.

  19. Ray Dixon says:

    Well GD, I’ll take that response (“you really should apply for the job of Labor spin-doctor”) as a compliment. Yes, I agree that I can look at things differently and cut through the crap and get to the point better (and quicker and more concisely) than most. Yes, I might have missed my calling because I can write some pretty good copy.

    But none of what I wrote above was “spin”, GD.

    None. Of. It.

    Hey, here’s a quick one: You just said “the Libs have stopped the boats, saving the Australian economy billions in future welfare payments and also hundreds of lives.” Um, how much has it cost, GD? Where are your facts? It seems to me that by its utilisation of the Navy in extreme ways (as they’ve done) the costs of “stopping the boats” has probably outeweighed any savings. As for “saving lives”, um how many lives will be now lost because Abbott has slammed the doors shut on those fleeing persecution & death? Come again?

    Oh and this one: “The Abbott government has dismantled the useless carbon tax.” Yes, so I see. And in so doing he’s cut off a revenue stream. Oh and he intends to bring in his own scheme … a totally unfunded scheme. He’s a real economic giant, GD. How’d you like him running your business? You’d be forced onto the streets to busk for falafels.

    (Oh, and I just did all that off the top of my head – thanks for the opportunity)

  20. GD says:

    🙂 I was wrong you’re not a Labor spin doctor you’re a comedian..

    I have never read such a load of leftist denial and claptrap or indeed abnegation:

    ‘abnegation, is used for a psychological defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.’

  21. Ray Dixon says:

    Oh you’ve got me going now, GD. Here’s another example of your o-so-economically-prudent Tony “saving” us money.

    MH370. Remember that? Do you remember Tony Abbott interrupting Parliament and grabbing world attention with the announcement that wreckage had been spotted in the Indian Ocean south west of Perth and that it seemed “certain” that the plane had crashed nearby, thereby committing us to spend what, 100s of $millions in an eventually futile search based on false data? Yeah, Tony Abbott, wisely spending our money. Well done Tone. Maybe he should send a squad over to the Ukraine and waste more money trying to find out what happened overnight with MH17?

  22. Ray Dixon says:

    As for your latest swipe, GD , that’s the type of crap people revert to when they’re unable to address the real issues. You raised the debt matter, remember? I tried to convince you not to dabble in areas you’re out of your depth in but no, you had to keep going. Until you come back with irrelevant ‘play the man’ and ‘label the man’ stuff like that. Whenever you want to debate properly I’m more than happy to accommodate you, old chum. Come on man, you can be better than that.

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