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Greste follies to keep playing for a long run in Egypt

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I’m sure that we are going to hear a great deal of crap about the sentencing of Peter Greste to seven years in jail, well as sad as it is for the families of these men I am personally unsurprised because I have never expected much from the justice system in any third world country. Further to that I don’t think that we can see Al Jezzera as being in the same league as the mainstream western media organisations  for their detachment from those they report on  and we just can’t be sure that the claims from  Egypt about the level of involvement  with organisations like the Muslim brotherhood  are as empty as we would want to believe.

Anyway Kudos to both of the Majors for a rare show of unity about this rather foolish fellow now enjoying the hospitality of that Egyptian jail.

Cheers Comrades

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13 Comments

  1. richard ryan says:

    MAYBE! Clive Palmer could help.

  2. Richard Ryan says:

    Tell them he comes from Queensland.

  3. Anna says:

    Some information for your education:

    1. Egypt is not a “third world country”.

    2. It’s Al Jazeera, not “Al Jezzera”.

    3. Al Jazeera is no less independent than the likes of Fox News, which actively promotes a conservative, Republican, pro-Christian agenda.

    4. The convicted Al Jazeera people have done nothing but report on the Muslim Brotherhood from a reporter’s perspective. There is no evidence that Al Jazeera promotes or has connections with the Muslim Brotherhood. If you have evidence to the contrary, please post it, however I am quite sure that you don’t.

    Ana

  4. Iain Hall says:

    Ana (or is it Anna? )

    Some information for your education:

    Oh Goodie, a new player in my sandpit 😀

    1. Egypt is not a “third world country”.

    It is actually

    2. It’s Al Jazeera, not “Al Jezzera”.

    OK thanks for the spelling correction, Firefox will be pleased

    3. Al Jazeera is no less independent than the likes of Fox News, which actively promotes a conservative, Republican, pro-Christian agenda.

    So why should that comparison convince me that Al Jazeera is worthy of my respect?

    4. The convicted Al Jazeera people have done nothing but report on the Muslim Brotherhood from a reporter’s perspective. There is no evidence that Al Jazeera promotes or has connections with the Muslim Brotherhood. If you have evidence to the contrary, please post it, however I am quite sure that you don’t.

    I have only suggested that I don’t think that Al Jazeera is the paragon of virtue it promotes itself as because I am a cynic about claims of “journalistic independence” from all practitioners from the fourth estate.

  5. Anna says:

    No! Egypt is not a third world country, not according to the UN. You should check before saying such things.

    Al Jazeera does not need your respect, and probably does not want it. However you should respect that journalists reporting as correspondents, in another country, should not be subject to politically motivated imprisonment. Or are you okay with and endorse this?

    The facts of this case are also ridiculous, because of the lack of evidence produced against Greste and the others. Something you have not discussed. You have only insulted Peter Greste, calling him “foolish”. Many could say the same of you. It is better to look at the facts.

    Thank you.

    Anna

  6. Iain Hall says:

    Anna

    No! Egypt is not a third world country, not according to the UN. You should check before saying such things.

    definition of third world

    Also called: developing world the less economically advanced countries of Africa, Asia, and Latin America collectively, esp when viewed as underdeveloped and as neutral in the East-West alignment

    Al Jazeera does not need your respect, and probably does not want it.

    All news organizations are on an eternal quest for respect Anna and from what I have seen of Al Jazeera its far from bring entirely neutral and non partisan on a number of issues.

    However you should respect that journalists reporting as correspondents, in another country, should not be subject to politically motivated imprisonment. Or are you okay with and endorse this?

    Of course I’m not “OK” with what has happened with Greste and his pals its just that I don’t hold journalists as any entirely neutral paragons of virtue as you and so many in the media keep suggesting.

    The facts of this case are also ridiculous, because of the lack of evidence produced against Greste and the others. Something you have not discussed. You have only insulted Peter Greste, calling him “foolish”. Many could say the same of you. It is better to look at the facts.

    I called him foolish only because he seems to have read the mood and situation in Egypt so badly and to be frank I think its foolish to think that waving your press card around like some sort of shield in a country that is in throws of massive civil unrest is rather naive at best. None the less I agree that the response to him and the court process have been very much below what any European, US or even Australian court would have as acceptable practice.

  7. Ray Dixon says:

    He didn’t have press clearance. Either he or Al Jazeera (or both) royally stuffed up. He should have known that given the situation in Egypt they weren’t going to take too kindly to Islamic-based news organisations being critical of the new regime in any sort of way. Not that I endorse Egypt’s position but, hey, wave a red flag at a bull and ……. all that.

    That said, I hope the Oz Govt can negotiate his release although I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on Julie Bishop to pull off any early break through.

  8. GD says:

    I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on Julie Bishop to pull off any early break through.

    That was uncalled for. Once again you show how partisan you are.

  9. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    one thing that you can’t legitimately do here is accuse the Abbott government in general or Julie Bishop in particular for not trying to do all that is possible for Greste.
    That said I tend to agree with this:

    He didn’t have press clearance. Either he or Al Jazeera (or both) royally stuffed up. He should have known that given the situation in Egypt they weren’t going to take too kindly to Islamic-based news organisations being critical of the new regime in any sort of way.

  10. Anna says:

    What silliness!

    That is like saying, “Those Jews should have known what Hitler was like, why didn’t they leave Germany”!

    Foreign reporters were there to do a job. If there was evidence that Mr Greste was working with Muslim Brotherhood, your points would be fine. But what evidence did they present against him? A music video and wild life documentary, found on his laptop. Clear sign that this is a set up!

    If it was a reporter being arrested, kidnapped or sexually assaulted by Muslims (as happened in 2012), somehow I am thinking you would be singing a different song.

    Anna

  11. Iain Hall says:

    Anna

    That is like saying, “Those Jews should have known what Hitler was like, why didn’t they leave Germany”!

    All journalists operating in a country at war with itself have to be mindful of their own personal safety in the way that they report and anyone who fails to do this is just plain foolish no matter how “right” they may be.

    Foreign reporters were there to do a job. If there was evidence that Mr Greste was working with Muslim Brotherhood, your points would be fine. But what evidence did they present against him? A music video and wild life documentary, found on his laptop. Clear sign that this is a set up!

    Oh you get no argument that it was a woefully inadequate process and that the evidence is as you suggest almost nonexistent but that should not have been unexpected for someone familiar the country like Greste. Your argument sounds an awful lot like that made by feminists when they rage against anyone who suggest that women are not likely to be safe from sexual assault if they are utterly legless wandering the streets in the seedy part of town in the early hours of the morning.

    If it was a reporter being arrested, kidnapped or sexually assaulted by Muslims (as happened in 2012), somehow I am thinking you would be singing a different song.

    No may feelings would be the same I would be distressed that those individuals had been assaulted but also rather sad that they were naive about their personal safety in a risky situation just as I am about Greste et al

  12. Ray Dixon says:

    That was uncalled for

    Why? The only thing Julie Bishop does well is her hair. Well, that and maybe some horizontal folk dancing.

    That is like saying, “Those Jews should have known what Hitler was like, why didn’t they leave Germany”!

    It’s nothing like that at all. Greste was in a foreign country, the Jews were German citizens. To compare Greste getting 7 years jail on dubious charges & evidence to the Jews being gassed to death for just being Jews is absurd and sort of blows your case apart. Godwin’s law, I think it’s called.

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