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Aussie citizenship and Jihadists are mutually exclusive

While many of my friends from the left are trying desperately to ignore the religiosity of the current situation in both Syria and Iraq those of us with functioning brains take these neo-barbarians at their word when they clam to be committing their atrocities in the name of Allah and in pursuit of the creation of a new caliphate. Frankly as long as Islam has such an agenda we just can not be sanguine about its goals and intentions. That we have a substantial number of Muslims on Australia is a consequence of history and I am more than happy to acknowledge that, at present, the majority of them are mainly interested in getting on with their lives like any other Aussie. However the religion itself is not like other faiths it is a totalitarian ideology that seeks to control/dictate every aspect of a believer’s life from what they eat, the way that they wash, the way that they treat their children and even the way that they beat their wives. Worst of all the faith commands the faithful to kill unbelievers, homosexuals and those who find reason and leave the faith. What this boils down to in modern Australia is that its only those who are only just nominally Muslim who we can see as no possible threat to the peace and harmony of Australian society.  Now with the news that 150 Australian citizens who hold dual nationality are probably playing at Jihad in the middle east  it seems utterly reasonable that if these young men  are going to take up the gun or the bomb against western civilization then  we should help them out in resolving their divided loyalties by revoking their Australian citizenship:

As part of the ramped-up security push, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison said he was prepared to consider the British model that allows authorities to strip dual nationals of their passports, provided it does not render them stateless.

The power has been used to considerable effect during the Syria crisis, which has seen scores of Britons flock to jihad.

Mr Morrison said while the government was prepared to contemplate the idea, he labelled it an extreme measure. “Cancelling the citizenship of a dual citizen is a very extreme measure,’’ he said. “There are existing provisions within the citizenship act that deal with these sorts of things … and at this stage there are no formal ­proposals before the ­parliament.’’

The comments follow a recommendation by the federal government’s Independent National Security Legislation Monitor, Bret Walker SC, who recommended the government consider the measure.

“The INSLM is concerned that the concept of dual citizenship raises issues of divided loyalties and does not see why, as a matter of policy, an Australian citizen should also be able to be a citizen of another country,” Mr Walker said in his report, tabled in parliament this week.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop yesterday confirmed that about 150 Australians had joined the fighting in Iraq and Syria, among them Khaled Sharrouf, a convicted terrorist who slipped out of Australia ­illegally last year and is fighting with the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham.

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This blog has even had its own brush with one of those playing the Jihad game a few weeks ago I was contacted by an ABC journalist about this post

because he believed that the person writing to me had gone to Syria to play the Jihad game  this contact was made subsequent to his wife being arrested at Sydney Airport when she tried to take materials to her husband  in Syria The ABC were even going to interview this humble blogger about the email correspondence  that I discussed in the post linked to above. The interview did not eventuate simply because the Journalist was concerned that it was hard to be definitive that the man I corresponded was the same person playing Jihad.  Frankly we just don’t want or need anyone who wants to spread Islam by the sword to be citizens of this country and the sooner that he and others of the same ilk are sent packing the sooner that our country will be a better place for the rest of us.

Cheers Comrades

If they want to  for Allah then they should just not be Aussie citizens

If they want to for Allah then they should just not be Aussie citizens

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18 Comments

  1. richard ryan says:

    Dark clouds are gathering over Australia, as the risk of an terrorist attack on Australian soil seems possible. No Aussie Jihadists in Persia, before Howard plunged Australia into the Iraqi war, no suicide bomers in Iraq, before Howard plunged Australia into the Iraqi war, no terrorists attacks in Iraq before, before Howard plunged Australia into the the Iraqi war, as John Winston Howard danced in tune to USA WAR-TOMS-TOMS. Every action causes reaction. The moral of the story, the invading of Muslim Lands is a no-no. History will prove, Iraq will be Australia’s night-mare. The Aussie Jihadist with his PhD will cause great concern for Australian politicians.. When will A Liberal Government send us to a war that we will win for a change? As Howard once said on the fridge magnet, be alert but not afraid.

  2. Ray Dixon says:

    Well said, Richard. If *some* of these crazies do try it in Australia, it’ll be as a direct result of our own actions. The fearmongerers (read: those who are afraid of their own shadow) will see this as a reason to ban any further muslim immigration full stop, but the reality is these try-hard wannabes like the PhD guy you mention are easily weeded out, detected, caught and/or monitored by our police. Even if one of them happens to pull off some kind of terror attack here in Oz you can bet your life it won’t be on a hue scale and will more than likely be a failure. So you’re right … we should not live in fear and add further provocation with the type of anti-muslim crap we often read in here.

    “Be alert but not alarmed” was about the only sensible thing Howard ever said. Oh, I also give him credit for insisting the AFL and other sporting bodies sign up to the WADA protocols. The AFL is pissed about that one right now but too bad.

  3. richard ryan says:

    And like Nero, GD strums his guitar, while Iraq burns.

  4. Iain Hall says:


    You are both utterly wrong about any acts of terror that are committed here being the fault of anyone but the scumbags who perform them. You just have to listen to what these idiots say or read what inspires them (like the Koran) and then you may just realise that no matter what WE do the ideology of Islam urges them all believers on to bring the rule of Allah over the entire planet.
    Anyone who does not recognise that simple fact is committing a very serious instance of head in the sand wilful blindness.

  5. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain, the simple reality is that these fucknuts who want to commit Jihad against the West are not capable of “bringing the rule of Allah over the entire planet”. They’re bloody hopelesss try hards and worrying about them is like worrying that some local mental case is going to take over your town or your suburb. Bottom lne: Just deal with them when and if they create a little tiff like the little people they are. Seriously mate, why get scared about these fuckwits?

  6. GD says:

    They’re bloody hopelesss try hards and worrying about them is like worrying that some local mental case is going to take over your town or your suburb. Bottom lne: Just deal with them when and if they create a little tiff like the little people they are. Seriously mate, why get scared about these fuckwits?

    Tell that to the families of the World Trade Centre victims, the families of the Boston Marathon bomb attacks, the families of the London tube bombings and the Australian families of the victims of the Bali bombings.

    if they create a little tiff like the little people they are

    That is an abhorrent comment. It is as disgusting as the comment made by the ABC’s ‘go to muslim’ Waleed Aly when he said, that, in future terrorist attacks will become merely an ‘irritant’.

    Tell that to the families of the maimed and dead.

  7. Iain Hall says:

    Ray

    Iain, the simple reality is that these fucknuts who want to commit Jihad against the West are not capable of “bringing the rule of Allah over the entire planet”.

    The lesson of the last few decades is just how lotech most of the Jihadi outrages have been. ad to that the way that the dark knowledge has been disseminated via the internet and I just can’t be as sanguine as you seem to be mate.

    They’re bloody hopelesss try hards and worrying about them is like worrying that some local mental case is going to take over your town or your suburb.

    How can you be so sure? Especially when the Koran instructs its followers that to lie to unbelivers about their intentions is both required and endorsed.

    Bottom lne: Just deal with them when and if they create a little tiff like the little people they are.

    That is precisely what I am doing here Ray, I am pointing out that the ideology that drives the jihadists is totally unacceptable in our society You are Richard are sadly pretending that the threat from Islam is a total fairy tale and that is silliness incarnate.

    Seriously mate, why get scared about these fuckwits?

    They may play this game now why do you think that they won’t play the same way back here?

  8. richard ryan says:

    (Q) Who was the warmonger fuck-nut who invaded Iraq, to please his friend George W.Bush. (A) John Winston Howard. I rest my case, payback time is on the cards

  9. Iain Hall says:

    Richard

    what you conveniently ignore is that without the imperative to address the outrages perpetrated by your beloved Jihadists, and Saddam himself in Gulf war one There would have been no invasion first of Afghanistan and the Iraq. Now while you continue on insisting that those who kill in the name of Allah are blameless you will never be right even if we can legitimately criticise the way that eh war in Iraq was prosecuted.

  10. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain & GD, our authorities are dealing with the issue of muslim extremists who commit terror acts in the name of Allah. The authorities in other westernised countries are and have done likewise. No one, except for a tiny minority of right wing extremists with whom you two identify and idolise, believes the way to deal with that is to lash out and condemn Islam and all its followers full stop.

    Get over it and stop showing your inner fears is what I suggest you both do. This fingerpointing ain’t a good look.

    The reality is the threats and fears you speak of do not come from Islam itself, they come from a small band of mongrels who use the religion as an excuse to cause chaos with no end goal in sight (do you seriously believe these fuckwits have any plans beyond that?)

    The world is in no danger of being over-run by muslim extremists and neither is Australia. As I said, the few nutters who might want to do something stupid out here will be caught and I seriously doubt we’ll see an attack by any muslims that come here via immigration or by those that are born here.

  11. richard ryan says:

    What Next? Off shore boat-people, manufacturing off shore, and now Aussie Terrorism off shore. Oh I forgot! war causes Terrorism

  12. Paul Murray says:

    Jihadism, and every other bloody overseas war that people want to drag into this country. Falun Gong come to mind.

  13. Iain Hall says:

    Why would we go to war with China over Falun Gong Paul?

  14. GD says:

    Jihadism, and every other bloody overseas war that people want to drag into this country.

    So far the only war that malcontents want to drag into this country is sectarian Islam and anti-Australian Islam.

    I don’t see many Buddhists or Hindus complaining about their life in Australia, or Italians, Greeks, or any other Christian nationals. It’s always those from the ‘religion of peace’. 😦

  15. GD says:

    our authorities are dealing with the issue of muslim extremists who commit terror acts in the name of Allah. The authorities in other westernised countries are and have done likewise

    Well, no they haven’t Ray, if you’d re-read my previous comment. The Bali bombings, the London tube bombings, the World Trade Centre et al weren’t caught in time. The authorities are playing catch-up. Australia has been lucky so far.

    The fearmongerers (read: those who are afraid of their own shadow) will see this as a reason to ban any further muslim immigration full stop

    What is the benefit to Australia of muslim immigration? Islamic countries have produced nothing of worth in the past thousand years. Every edifice of Islam is antithetical to the Australian way of life: subjugation of women, including stoning of adulterous women and female genital mutilation, murder of homosexuals and Sharia law above Australian law.

    How is Islamic immigration beneficial to Australia given that in Islamic suburbs such as Punchbowl and Lakemba in NSW the Centrelink uptake rate is twice that of the rest of the nation?

  16. Ray Dixon says:

    Once again, GD, you quote me out of context and twist the argument. To correct you: my words that you quoted were in response to Iain’s use of the saying about how evil triumphs when “good men do nothing”. Obviously our authorities are not “doing nothing” but to claim (as you have) that the incidents of 9/11, Bali & London indicate they are not dealing with it is plain wrong. Those events happened over 10 years ago and of course they weren’t “caught in time” but then again, that was early days and since then I’d say our authorities are well and truly on top of any terrorist threat. Your point (if you had one) is moot.

    “What is the benefit to Australia of muslim immigration”? – much the same benefit as all immigration, I’d suggest. I don’t think we’re likely to see the “subjugation of women, including stoning of adulterous women and female genital mutilation, murder of homosexuals and Sharia law above Australian law.” anytime soon, but if we do see any of that I reckon those responsible will be dealt with. You know, for breaking our laws. Perhaps you should be out there monitoring all this on our behalf, going around checking on whether any gays have been murdered and asking to see young muslim girls’ genitals, just to make sure they’re all intact.

    On the other hand, you could simply stop living in fear and demonising your Western Sydney neighbours, GD. Maybe you should be helping them – here’s an idea: get out in that street and shake a muslim’s hand today. Befriend them and welcome them … play them a tune or two! Go on, GD, stop being an old grump.

  17. Paul Murray says:

    “Why would we go to war with China over Falun Gong Paul?”
    Well for that matter why would we want to go to war with Serbia over Coat … actually, we kinda did – did we? Did we have at least a couple of servicepeople over there for that one?
    Frankly, I forget what I was trying to get at. Maybe it’s “Jihadists aren’t the only people that this country would be better off without”, which is not to say that they aren’t the most immediate serious problem. I’m not disagreeing with you.

  18. Iain Hall says:

    Thanks for the clarification Paul 🙂

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