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Why Pat supports Israel and why we should do so as well

Pat is of course right on the money here.

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  1. GD says:

    Pat is right on the money. Israelis have scored more Nobel Prizes than most nations. Islamic countries have scored almost none, meanwhile using weapons developed by the West to attack the West. What happens when the Islamists take over the world? Who will develop new technologies?

    The new Caliphate? This is an evil joke. Unfortunately Australia is importing ever increasing numbers of islamists.

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  3. Ray Dixon says:

    Against my better judgement, I watched this dickbrain’s video. But I stopped it half way through because it’s quite clear to me that he’s an obsessed little sort of guy who is basically just talking to himself. Why give a shit about Israel and the Palestinians? Neither side is right. Neither side is worth the effort to understand or be concerned about. They can both blow themselves to hell for all I care. As for Condell, he’s wasting his life but, then again, looking at him and hearing his boring little diatribe … he wouldn’t have a real life anyway. A small man with narrow views.

  4. Paul Murray says:

    I used to read the bible. In it, the jews spent their time invading other people’s countries and killing them. Because Jehovah said it was ok. If the Arabs are still butthurt that the Jews in the 60’s decided to retake the holy land at gunpoint – can you blame ’em? You know the Samaritans? As in “the good Samaritan”? You know who they were? When the diaspora of the Babylonian and Medo-Persian empires came home, they found a bunch of people living in God’s own country, they decided to fuck them over. Never mind that those people were the descendants of the Jews that had never left. The Babylonian diaspora with their crazy psudeo-zoroastrian interpretation of judaism – they knew that they were the “real” Jews, the real descendants of Abraham.

    Today’s Palestinians are simply last millenium’s Samaritans. And todays “Jews” are simply Europeans. I’ve seem those guys on TV. They are as white as me. Generations of sensible Jewesses having babies to the local men, and generations of Jewish men turning a blind eye and pretending that the resulting bastards are legit children of Abraham. Abraham doesn’t have a male-line descendant left in the whole world – so much for all of Jehovah’s promises.

    Fuck them all. The Jews, the Arabs, the whole lot of them and their religions. (Ditto “Macedonia is greek!” and the wogs – Croat and Serbian – that turned the Snowy Mountains Scheme into a sectarian bloodbath, and every other pointless ethnic conflict in the world) A pair of nukes dropped on Jerusalem and Mecca both would make the world a cleaner, better place. I pine for the day when we crack the secret of fusion, or pave all the roads with solar cells, and let the running sore that is the middle east sink back into the obscurity it so richly deserves.

  5. Ray Dixon says:

    This.

    ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

    What Paul said.

    Yes.

  6. Iain Hall says:

    Paul and Ray

    You know what guys were the middle east nothing but a melting pot of ancient religious and ethnic rivalries I would be happy to join into your “plague on all of their houses” line of argument. Heck You must have seem me make the argument here that enforced ceasefires do thing to solve conflicts so I would have no in principle objection to stepping back and letting people kill each other until a matter is definitively resolved. However there are a couple of matters that you two are ignoring and are both forgetting. Firstly there is the small matter of oil, and the fact that the death loving Arabs are sitting on a shit load of it and that the world’s economies need that oil to function so its in our interest to try to see peace in that part of the world. Secondly because of that Oil the modern middle eastern states have become fabulously wealthy, not from their own efforts or industry but from the sheer chance of geography. To be honest I think that the fact that they have never had to toil for this wealth has made those who currently control it all rather like people who win the lottery (for it is in a sense a lottery win) insofar as they have been more than happy to just waste the bounty on all kinds of excess and indulgence and one of the biggest excesses and indulgences has been to finance the spread of the most pernicious brands of Islam the Wahabist sect is the most totalitarian incarnation of Islam and thanks to Petro dollars has been financing Mosques and “Islamic schools” all over the world and more to the point it has also been financing the spread of Islam by the modern version of the sword, the terrorist cell with their guns and bombs.

    They have also financed the propagation of antisemitism because hatred of the Jews is very close one of the four pillars of Islam. That said at this point I want to invoke the very famous aphorism that “for evil to triumph all that is necessary is for good men to do nothing” and as I see it the evils of Islam are not confined to the murderous acts of its most devoted followers as bad as those atrocities have been I think that the more mundane memes of that faith are the real worry, Namely the Muslim attitude to and treatment of women which see’s them as little more than chattels of their fathers or husbands, secondly the hatred and murderous feelings about homosexuals, the belligerent attitude to anyone who is not of their faith and their great willingness to use intimidation and actual violence to impose “Islamic values” upon any and all who dares to suggest that Islam is anything other than perfect. Now I think that the trap that most of the well meaning fall into is that they can not appreciate the foolishness of accepting the intolerance of Islam in the name of their own wish to accept and tolerate diversity. So I stand up here for the commonsense view of making clear that people may believe and worship as they please in our society but that comes with the proviso that everyone else is also free to call bullshit on any and all of their beliefs and cultural practices when they are at odds with our modern secular society.
    So I ask you both are you really for a secular and tolerant society?
    If you are then you really have no choice but to object to any and all ideologies that would destroy that to impose or create a totalitarian religious dictatorship?

  7. Ray Dixon says:

    So I ask you both are you really for a secular and tolerant society?
    If you are then you really have no choice but to object to any and all ideologies that would destroy that to impose or create a totalitarian religious dictatorship?

    Huh, that’s a false conclusion, Iain. Yes, you can and should object to Islamic practices that you don’t approve of like female genital mutilation. But it’s the way you go about it that is key. For instance, the AMA is vehemently opposed to FGM too but I don’t see them taking massive broadsides at all muslims as a result of that. I see them expressing their objections in calmer and less provocative terms. What is the point in taking this holier than thou stand and adding anger, hatred and total condemnation to it? All it achieves is to build resentment and inflame tensions. Maybe that’s your aim?

    And I don’t believe the muslims in Australia are out to create “a totalitarian religious dictatorship” in this country Even if some of them might like to see that, they’ve got no hope (or ability) of making it happen.

    This is bullshit to link the less attractive domestic habits of muslim immigrants with the Jihadist extremists overseas. I’ve pointed out before that the major Islamic terrorist attacks in Westernised countries like the USA and elsewhere are committed not by muslim immigrants but by infiltrators who have come into the country by other means (usually under false passports) to carry out their mission and then either leave or perish in the act. You are projecting your fears of being so attacked onto the wrong people, Iain.

    As for muslims hating Jews, well whatya gunnado about that? Serbs hate Croats too. Chinese hate Japs and vice versa. You won’t ever change that and it doesn’t make either side right. It just makes them stupid.

  8. Ray Dixon says:

    “for evil to triumph all that is necessary is for good men to do nothing”

    We’re not “doing nothing” about the “evil” of Islamic terrorism, Iain. Haven’t you noticed? Our Governments (Labor & Liberal alike) have taken a very strong stand against that and are actually well and truly on top of it as it relates to our own sovereignty and safety. What they don’t do though (Labor & Liberal alike) is go full gung ho anti the entire religion and start running off at the mouth – well, apart from one Corey Bernardi. I’m very glad that the people running the show don’t adopt the radical stance and general rhetoric you are expressing here, because to do so would certainly open us up to being infiltrated by terrorists. Your intolerant and hardline stance is actually a self fulfilling prophecy, Iain, why can’t you see that?

  9. Iain Hall says:

    Ray

    Huh, that’s a false conclusion, Iain. Yes, you can and should object to Islamic practices that you don’t approve of like female genital mutilation. But it’s the way you go about it that is key. For instance, the AMA is vehemently opposed to FGM too but I don’t see them taking massive broadsides at all muslims as a result of that. I see them expressing their objections in calmer and less provocative terms. What is the point in taking this holier than thou stand and adding anger, hatred and total condemnation to it? All it achieves is to build resentment and inflame tensions. Maybe that’s your aim?

    I did not even mention FGM Ray, That said all that I am doing here is “you can and should object to Islamic practices that you don’t approve of” and I’m not as you suggest “taking massive broadsides at all muslims ” I am always particular and I am always specific about the aspects of the ideology/ practices that I object to. I really believe that we will see the hard won freedoms and personal liberties around issues such as sexuality and faith eroded if we don’t continually speak up in the face of those who would impose their own regressive ideology upon everyone.

    And I don’t believe the muslims in Australia are out to create “a totalitarian religious dictatorship” in this country Even if some of them might like to see that, they’ve got no hope (or ability) of making it happen.

    Maybe not in the immediate future Ray but that is purely an artifact of demographics and the experience everywhere else that has had substantial Islamic immigration has been precisely that.

    This is bullshit to link the less attractive domestic habits of muslim immigrants with the Jihadist extremists overseas. I’ve pointed out before that the major Islamic terrorist attacks in Westernised countries like the USA and elsewhere are committed not by muslim immigrants but by infiltrators who have come into the country by other means (usually under false passports) to carry out their mission and then either leave or perish in the act. You are projecting your fears of being so attacked onto the wrong people, Iain.

    No mate those “less attractive domestic habits” are not the insignificant thing that you see them as.Ignoring them is rather like ignoring the top of a very slippery slope and if you don’t want us to all fall down into that abyss then we are going to have to be vigilant now before its too late.

    As for muslims hating Jews, well whatya gunnado about that? Serbs hate Croats too. Chinese hate Japs and vice versa. You won’t ever change that and it doesn’t make either side right. It just makes them stupid.

    Yes Ray but would you be as reluctant to call out a Serb for hating a Croat? or a China-man for hating a Jap? I sort of doubt it, so why should we not call out Muslims for their antisemitism? You seem to want to pretend that Mein Kamph is not top of the Islamic reading list (after the Koran) and that they don’t dream of a new and improved holocaust Heck they even instil this hatred into their children from the cradle and you think that this is nothing to worry about?

    “for evil to triumph all that is necessary is for good men to do nothing”

    We’re not “doing nothing” about the “evil” of Islamic terrorism, Iain. Haven’t you noticed? Our Governments (Labor & Liberal alike) have taken a very strong stand against that and are actually well and truly on top of it as it relates to our own sovereignty and safety. What they don’t do though (Labor & Liberal alike) is go full gung ho anti the entire religion and start running off at the mouth – well, apart from one Corey Bernardi. I’m very glad that the people running the show don’t adopt the radical stance and general rhetoric you are expressing here, because to do so would certainly open us up to being infiltrated by terrorists. Your intolerant and hardline stance is actually a self fulfilling prophecy, Iain, why can’t you see that?

    Ray its not JUST the evils of terrorism that we have to address here, its the evils of misogyny, the evils of homophobia, its the evil love of killing in the name of a deity, its the evils of domestic violence sanctioned by the faith, its the evil of totalitarianism, the evil of cruelty to animals in the name of a deity my stance is not that radical Ray I just call a spade a spade in my efforts to spread the word that we should be aware and not wear the blinkers of political correctness so tight that the worst proponents of Islam get an easy run at global domination.

  10. Ray Dixon says:

    No one’s being blinkered, Iain. We just don’t over react the way you do. This is silly stuff mate – we are not under any threat to our security, culture or way of life by allowing muslim immigrants to peacefully co-exist and going around inflaming and condemning them is just pointless. You are over blowing it because the ones who come here do so for a better life and to become good Australian citizens, not to change or destroy us. They’re the ones fleeing the restraints of their origins, remember? Much like your family fled the restraints of a f*cked English economy. So what?

  11. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    I am not “over reacting” I am just writing about the topic in a very calm and collected manner. that said I have no problem with people who are only notionally Muslims but as soon as hey become at all devout then we begin to have problems, just as we do with any other sort of religious nut jobs. Before the pernicious effects of “multiculturalism” there were great incentives for assimilation now there is far less incentive to become part of the mainstream.

    Family folklore has the reason for coming here to be more about being away from the then likely WW3 (after the Cuban missile crisis) than being about the economics of either the UK or here. Further My father hated the cold which is why we settled in Queensland rather than anywhere south of here.

  12. Paul Murray says:

    “one of the biggest excesses and indulgences has been to finance the spread of the most pernicious brands of Islam the Wahabist sect is the most totalitarian incarnation of Islam and thanks to Petro dollars has been financing Mosques and “Islamic schools” all over the world”

    And supporting the Israeli’s various invasions of Jordan and Syria and their continuing oppression of native palestinians will put a stop to the Saudis founding Wahabist schools around the world with petrodollars.

    Gotcha.

    “and as I see it the evils of Islam are not confined to the murderous acts of its most devoted followers as bad as those atrocities have been I think that the more mundane memes of that faith are the real worry, Namely the Muslim attitude to and treatment of women ”

    So how then, having decided that the Islamic attitude towards matters sexual is the real worry and main issue, do you conclude that supporting the biblical fairy-tale about Jehovah giving Abraham title to a strip of land in the middle east is the right way to address this? Aren’t you just using “OMG, teh sexism!” as an excuse to recruit people to support your real agenda, which has pretty much nothing to do with gay rights?

    Israel (or more narrowly Zionism) is not part of the solution, it is part of the problem. Actually, no: it’s a distraction from the real problem, which is Saudi Arabia and its particularly disgusting 14th-century form of Islam. If there’s a conspiracy theory here, it’s that the US and its NATO allies are deliberately stirring things up in the north to keep attention off the Saudis – the ones who actually were responsible for the 9/11 attack.

  13. Paul Murray says:

    On the subject of Islamic attitudes towards women and homosexuals – you are an Aussie. Do you remember poofter-bashing? It was still a thing in the mid-70’s, at least, and probably even later. You reckon the Wahabists were responsible for that?

    Let’s not forget that the magic holy books of those Jews you are so fond of contains the words “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” Lev 20:13.

    It isn’t an Islamic thing. Or a Jewish thing. Or a Christian thing. The bronze-age volcano god of Abraham simply had a real hate-on for gay sex. There are plenty of christians right now who think pretty much the same as wahabists do on the matter, and for the same reason – they believe what their holy books plainly say. Even the nice ones, the normal and sensible christians, if you pin them down on the topic they will start to look around for escape and rapidly begin making excuses for God. ‘Cause they know that the nutty fundamentalists are right – it’s just that those nutty fundamentalists have the bad manners to tell the truth about what the bible says, and are dumb enough to believe it rather than merely kinda-sorta believing it.

    Your wahabists and regular muslims, mutually complicit in putting a nice face on a hateful world view, are precisely parallel to the orthodox jews and the regular israeli, or for that matter the loony christian fun dies and the regular CoE (“Anglican”, these days) believer.

    What I’m saying is – the Islamic attitude towards men having anal sex isn’t good grounds for Israel carving up and annexing the West Bank, invading Lebanon, or dumping raw sewerage into the Gaza Strip.

  14. Iain Hall says:

    Paul

    “one of the biggest excesses and indulgences has been to finance the spread of the most pernicious brands of Islam the Wahabist sect is the most totalitarian incarnation of Islam and thanks to Petro dollars has been financing Mosques and “Islamic schools” all over the world”

    And supporting the Israeli’s various invasions of Jordan and Syria and their continuing oppression of native palestinians will put a stop to the Saudis founding Wahabist schools around the world with petrodollars.

    Gotcha.

    That is not my point or my argument. Call me old-fashioned but I think that the fact that Israel is a democracy surrounded by dictatorships and Islamic authoritarian regimes matters and to be frank I have very little sympathy for the Palestinians who have time and time again refused to make or honour peace agreements.

    “and as I see it the evils of Islam are not confined to the murderous acts of its most devoted followers as bad as those atrocities have been I think that the more mundane memes of that faith are the real worry, Namely the Muslim attitude to and treatment of women ”

    So how then, having decided that the Islamic attitude towards matters sexual is the real worry and main issue, do you conclude that supporting the biblical fairy-tale about Jehovah giving Abraham title to a strip of land in the middle east is the right way to address this? Aren’t you just using “OMG, teh sexism!” as an excuse to recruit people to support your real agenda, which has pretty much nothing to do with gay rights?

    What precisely do you think that may “real agenda” is Paul? I have had a life long interest in religion and religiosity and its just one of the topics I like to discuss.

    Israel (or more narrowly Zionism) is not part of the solution, it is part of the problem. Actually, no: it’s a distraction from the real problem, which is Saudi Arabia and its particularly disgusting 14th-century form of Islam. If there’s a conspiracy theory here, it’s that the US and its NATO allies are deliberately stirring things up in the north to keep attention off the Saudis – the ones who actually were responsible for the 9/11 attack.

    I have tried to feel sympathy for the Palestinians , I really have but the lost me in the sixties and seventies with their hijacking air craft and attacking the Olympics Frankly I just respect the industry and determination of Israel that said I tend to agree that there is much toi critise about the Saudis

    On the subject of Islamic attitudes towards women and homosexuals – you are an Aussie. Do you remember poofter-bashing? It was still a thing in the mid-70′s, at least, and probably even later. You reckon the Wahabists were responsible for that?

    Why would I think that? I am old enough to remember the seventies so I am delighted that this country is substantially better and more accepting of diversity that was when I was a young man.

    Let’s not forget that the magic holy books of those Jews you are so fond of contains the words “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” Lev 20:13.

    None the less Israel would have to be about the only country in the middle east where a gay man or woman can be open about their sexuality.

    It isn’t an Islamic thing. Or a Jewish thing. Or a Christian thing. The bronze-age volcano god of Abraham simply had a real hate-on for gay sex. There are plenty of christians right now who think pretty much the same as wahabists do on the matter, and for the same reason – they believe what their holy books plainly say. Even the nice ones, the normal and sensible christians, if you pin them down on the topic they will start to look around for escape and rapidly begin making excuses for God. ‘Cause they know that the nutty fundamentalists are right – it’s just that those nutty fundamentalists have the bad manners to tell the truth about what the bible says, and are dumb enough to believe it rather than merely kinda-sorta believing it.

    Sure and I’ve met them but they are very definitely on the fringes of those faiths these days where as the Homophobia of Islam is very much a part of its mainstream and Iran regularly executes homosexuals

    Your wahabists and regular muslims, mutually complicit in putting a nice face on a hateful world view, are precisely parallel to the orthodox jews and the regular israeli, or for that matter the loony christian fun dies and the regular CoE (“Anglican”, these days) believer.

    No not quite because the former are both more numerous and their Diaspora are involved in more violence and intimidation to spread their faith.

    What I’m saying is – the Islamic attitude towards men having anal sex isn’t good grounds for Israel carving up and annexing the West Bank, invading Lebanon, or dumping raw sewerage into the Gaza Strip.

    Come off it Paul the only sewage issue that I have heard of in Gaza comes entirely from the bottoms of the Palestinians themselves

  15. richard ryan says:

    AND it is OK for Aussies with dual citizenship to do military service in the Israeli army.

  16. richard ryan says:

    MEMO TO ASIO: What are ye mob going to do about Aussies doing military service in the Israeli army? Or has the CIA informed ye to turn a blind eye to this practice, which has been going on for years..

  17. Iain Hall says:

    Richard
    At the very least Israeli army service is NOT with a terrorist organisation and last time I checked Israel is a friend to this country.

  18. richard ryan says:

    YEAH YEAH—Israel FORGED Aussie passports to do there dirty deeds—— Iain—-lay off the Kool-Aid.

  19. richard ryan says:

    MOSSAD- is a TERRORIST UNIT.

  20. richard ryan says:

    AND the CIA is a terrorist group.

  21. richard ryan says:

    The USA is Terrorist State, and the CIA has been a terrorist organization from its beginnings. Unlike a lot of people here in the United States Of Australia, I won’t kiss Uncle Sams bum.

  22. Paul Murray says:

    “”And supporting the Israeli’s various invasions of Jordan and Syria and their continuing oppression of native palestinians will put a stop to the Saudis founding Wahabist schools around the world with petrodollars.”
    That is not my point or my argument.”

    What? Then why did you bring it up? Your thread is entitled “why you should support israel, too” and you start rattling on about petrodollars and wahabis, and then turn around and sputter “but that isn’t what I was saying at all!” For heaven’s sake, Ian! You are not doing yourself any favours, here.

    “Call me old-fashioned but I think that the fact that Israel is a democracy surrounded by dictatorships and Islamic authoritarian regimes matters and to be frank I have very little sympathy for the Palestinians who have time and time again refused to make or honour peace agreements. “

    A democracy is where the people who are ruled by a lawmaking body have the right to vote on who will represent them in that lawmaking body. If Palestinians, who live under laws made by the Knesset, have representatives there with actual political power to make the laws, it’s news to me.

    As for honouring peace agreements, it’s clear that your information is as one-sided as mine. Israel almost always caveats participation in any peace process with a demand that the palestinians recognise Israel’s “right to exist”, which means it right to exist *as a Jewish state*. That is – a non-negotiable demand to accept racial apartheid right from the get-go. When the Palestinians baulk at this, the Israelis take their bat and ball and go home and whine about how they have no-one to negotiate with.

    “What precisely do you think that may “real agenda” is Paul?”

    Well, I think it’s something like “Why Pat supports Israel and why we should do so as well”. Have I misread the title of your post?

    “Come off it Paul the only sewage issue that I have heard of in Gaza comes entirely from the bottoms of the Palestinians themselves “

    Of course, that sewerage issue is caused in the first place by the bombing of Gazan power plants http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/03/17-5 and the Israeli blockade of diesel http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/01/03-2 . We saw in the invasion of Iraq how the US deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, despite it being a war-crime to do so.

    The gaza strip is simply a concentration camp, and an experimental arena for the powers-that-be to test out the various tools of subjugation that one day they will be using on you and me.

  23. Iain Hall says:

    Paul

    ”And supporting the Israeli’s various invasions of Jordan and Syria and their continuing oppression of native palestinians will put a stop to the Saudis founding Wahabist schools around the world with petrodollars.”
    That is not my point or my argument.”

    What? Then why did you bring it up? Your thread is entitled “why you should support israel, too” and you start rattling on about petrodollars and wahabis, and then turn around and sputter “but that isn’t what I was saying at all!” For heaven’s sake, Ian! You are not doing yourself any favours, here.

    I brought it up because that was the way that the conversation here went

    “Call me old-fashioned but I think that the fact that Israel is a democracy surrounded by dictatorships and Islamic authoritarian regimes matters and to be frank I have very little sympathy for the Palestinians who have time and time again refused to make or honour peace agreements. “

    A democracy is where the people who are ruled by a lawmaking body have the right to vote on who will represent them in that lawmaking body. If Palestinians, who live under laws made by the Knesset, have representatives there with actual political power to make the laws, it’s news to me.

    You seem to be forgetting that the Palestinians elect their own representatives and administration Paul

    As for honouring peace agreements, it’s clear that your information is as one-sided as mine. Israel almost always caveats participation in any peace process with a demand that the palestinians recognise Israel’s “right to exist”, which means it right to exist *as a Jewish state*. That is – a non-negotiable demand to accept racial apartheid right from the get-go. When the Palestinians baulk at this, the Israelis take their bat and ball and go home and whine about how they have no-one to negotiate with.

    Why do you think its unreasonable for Israel to want the Palestinians to acknowledge their right to exist? Don’t forget that the Hammas Charter essentially calls for every Jew to be driven into the sea.

    “What precisely do you think that may “real agenda” is Paul?”

    Well, I think it’s something like “Why Pat supports Israel and why we should do so as well”. Have I misread the title of your post?

    Oh is that all, I thought that you were hinting at some dark subtext I was unaware of

    “Come off it Paul the only sewage issue that I have heard of in Gaza comes entirely from the bottoms of the Palestinians themselves “

    Of course, that sewerage issue is caused in the first place by the bombing of Gazan power plants http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/03/17-5 and the Israeli blockade of diesel http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/01/03-2 . We saw in the invasion of Iraq how the US deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, despite it being a war-crime to do so.

    Thanks for acknowledging that because having stuffed sewage infrastructure is a somewhat different proposition to your claim that Israel is/was dumping raw sewerage into the Gaza Strip. isn’t it? Now you can complain about operation cast lead and the blockade of Gaza but you do so by ignoring a couple of pertinent facts, firstly Israel pulled all of its people out of Gaza and that ever since the Palestinians have used that accursed strip of land to launch missiles into greater Israel. Secondly the Gaza strip is under the theocratic dictatorship of Hamas

    The gaza strip is simply a concentration camp, and an experimental arena for the powers-that-be to test out the various tools of subjugation that one day they will be using on you and me.

    That is utter nonsense Gaza is only under Blockade because Hamas won’t stop firing missiles into Israel If they were to do that and behave peacefully to Israel then conditions there could very quickly improve for the people there.

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