The woman was taken to Mascot Police Station / Picture: Justin Lloyd Source: News Corp Australia
While Ray and Jeff want to play down any instance of Islamic maleficence we just keep hearing reports about the most extreme followers of that faith who have been welcomed into this country taking up the gun and the bomb in the name of Allah, Like the Brisbane woman arrested and charged yesterday:
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Lets be real here the base of the problem with the local would be Jihadis is multifaceted, firstly under the credo of multiculturalism immigrants are encouraged to maintain the strongest ties with their originating culture and homeland, secondly they are discouraged from making any critique of that culture, finally modern communication means that its hard to truly separate and distance oneself from the dysfunction and conflicts in your homeland. What this boils down to is that most recent immigrants may be here, in Australia in body but in spirit they well and truly remain in their country of origin. This is especially so when you come from a language and culture tradition that is so different from that which is current in Australia.
Home is where the heart is the aphorism tells us, and if you are committed to fighting and possibly dying for a country other than Australia do you really have the right to “call Australia home”? The report tells us that upwards of 100 Australian citizens are fighting in the Syrian civil war and I can'[t help thinking that those who are doing so should be stripped of their Australian citizenship and prohibited from ever re-entering this country.
Cheers Comrades
Let Allah sort the bad from the baddest
Of course the OFF SHORE CAMPS for boat-people are good training grounds for freedom fighters (terrorists). They were called freedom fighters, when they were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, Bin Laden was a freedom fighter when he fought the Russians in the eyes of the Americans. you are a terrorist when you are not on the side of USA interests—-most of the Australians I know are anti-American—so what.
Well no, Iain, how do you conclude she was “taking up the gun and the bomb in the name of Allah”? Seems to me she was “taking up the fight in the course of supporting her stupid husband”:
The Syrian civil war, as bad as it is, is not a jihadist war per se. It’s just muslim v muslim over there and nuts. As far as I’m concerned they’re doing the world a favour by blowing each other to pieces. But you draw a long bow to suggest this means those immigrants (or converts) in Australia who choose to go over and join in represent any kind of threat here or that this is grounds for not letting them into Australia in the first place. Eg plenty of Austn Jews go off and fight for Israel too.
That said, I tend to agree that any Austn citizen who goes off and fights in Syria (or for Israel for that matter) should face scrutiny as to their right to remain an Austn citizen on their return.
As for the import of this incident in terms of terrorists in Australia though: Storm. Tea. Cup.
This is an excerpt from The Age’s (more balanced and less sensationalised) report on the same matter:
Like I said, it’s a civil war. Muslims v Muslims. If you have to name “goodies & baddies” (as Abbott so stupidly said) I reckon those fighting the dictator might just have the nobler cause and justification. Although they’re all nuts in my opinion. The bottom line is that those who go to fight there (or lend support) are not doing so as an act of Islamic jihad and this has hardly anything to do with terrorism, and certainly it’s no measure of what threat muslim immigrants may pose to Australia. All that’s happened here is that the woman has been charged with breaking an Australian law about participating in/supporting foreign battles. And she will be dealt with.
I was wrong about it being a ‘storm in a teacup’, though. It’s more like this: DROP. BUCKET.
Ray did you notice may caption to the footer picture?
That said aiding and abetting a Jihadist is just as serious as those who fire the guns and set of the bombs
Think you need to employ a proof reader Iain! Unless a Jigadist is someone who wants to force everyone to dance.
As for “Jeff wanting to play down any instance of Islamic maleficence”… No, it’s not me “playing it down”, it’s you and GD “playing it up”. I take these things on the available evidence. There’s never been an Islamic terrorist attack in Australia.
Anyway, this issue has less to do with Islamic terrorism than it does about a few mindless geese who think they still belong to the mother country, even though said mother country is a toilet.
Precisely. If they want to go and fight in Syria, let them … with any luck they’ll never come back. I mean, Aussies are disposable over there and make ideal suicide bombers.
Why should I spend good money employing a proof reader when those like yourself are kind enough to point out my typos for free>
Well, no, it’s not Jeff, it’s the reality. Try this:
http://www.news.com.au/national/syrian-terror-strikes-home-as-australian-mother-arrested-and-charged-with-supporting-terrorism/story-fncynjr2-1226905263855
or this:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/children-with-beheading-signs-an-outrage-says-scipione-20120916-2602v.html
That’s not even an attempt to debate the topic, GD. All you’ve done is put up a link to the source news report … and an old unrelated one. Your point is?
OH-OH, No mention of all those Jewish guys with dual passports going off for army service in Israel.
OR Aussie Zionists training to fight for Israel—in their hundreds may I add.
Terrorism and War both similar, both the killing of the innocents, you need terrorism to fight wars, my IRA history taught me that.
Well, no Ray, it’s very relevant. Iain and I aren’t ‘playing this up’, the muslims in Australia are either involved in these anti-social acts or condoning them with their silence.
Well if it’s relevant then say something about the topic, GD. In your own words please. Don’t just put up links and expect people to read them – that’s not debating (which was my point).
It is always a worry when raving pundits criticize people on the basis of what they don’t say. In other words, if you don’t join with GD and his anti-terrorist anti-Muslim rants, you must be a terrorist. Give me a break.
Re: GD’s second link… 300 nutjob protestors, some of them children? That’s the Islamic threat facing Australia, 300 people? I suppose you are worried about a socialist revolution too, after a dozen idiots took over Q&A the other night.
I have not yet seen any evidence of serious organised Islamic terrorism in this country. And there are so few of them, and they are so concentrated in western Sydney, that I am sure the Federal Police are all over them like a cheap suit.
Jeff those violent protests against a cartoon mocking their 4th Century ‘prophet’ were in the Central CBD of Sydney, disrupting traffic and business, and all to no avail. The woman who gave her son a ‘behead all infidels’ sign was later cautioned. Six men were charged with offences including assaulting police and animal cruelty.
But of course you reckon there’s not many of them and they’re all confined to western Sydney. That’s ok then, as long as they don’t encroach on your suburb.
NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione said it was the actions of “extremist offenders” who turned a peaceful protest violent on Saturday, leaving six police and 17 others injured.
Mohammed did all his propheting (profiting?) in the 7th century, not the 4th. Not that it matters at all.
Noone is denying that these extremist ratbags exist, GD. They certainly do. The question is whether they are making the country unsafe. At the present time I would say there is an infintessimal chance of any Islamic terrorist attack on Australian soil. Islamic fundamentalism in western Sydney is worrying but it is also fairly small, confined and manageable. There is more of a chance of Australians being caught in the middle of one in Bali, Jakarta, Malaysia, Abu Dhabi or even the UK. But not here.
Well if it’s affecting you personally, sell up and leave. Nothing stays the same, some things change for the better, others for the worst. Most of us just adapt to this change.
Side note…. the granddad, a WW2 veteran, lived in Athol Park all his life and spent his last decade complaining about all the “Japs” and “Nips” moving into the area. Turns out they were Chinese and Vietnamese, who fought with us in the war.
Jeff
There are a present a number of would be Jihadists enjoying the Hospitality of Her Majesty’s fine Australian hotel for plotting to buy themselves a place in paradise. or in Melbourne or here
Not withstanding the fact those arrests/trials are from 5-6 years ago, I reckon this proves my point, i.e. that we are on top of the problem. We should be alert but not alarmed, to borrow a phrase. I reckon there would be about half a dozen Federal police, ASIO and ASIS agents to every potential Muslim terrorist in Australia, personally I would not like to be planning a successful hijacking or bombing run with those odds.
jeff
Thank you for conceding that we have had instances of local plotters but you still need to understand that the ideology that produces such things can not just be ignored. That is why I keep writing about it when various nutters, from around the world kill in the name of Allah and why I think we have to keep confronting the misogyny, Antisemitism and homophobia that is utterly intrinsic to Islam. If unchallenged such thing become “normalised”. But more importantly you are wrong to think that such attitudes are “rare” because you are ignoring the interconnectedness of the contemporary world which means that the devout don’t even have to be physically in contact with Jihadist enablers, all they need is acess to the internet.
TERRORISM SELLS: Look at all the movies made in hollywood on Terrorism.
. THE CIA are a TERRORISM REGIME.
bIN Laden was a freedom fighter when fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, according to the Yanks, for the record the might of the Russian army was defeated in Afghanistan, Afghanistan was Russia’s Vietnam—-GD would be singing freedom songs of praise about bin Laden then. But when he turned on the Americans he was a TERRORIST. Americas who are specialists in TERRORISM showed Bin Laden the tricks of the trade, hence the pupil became more effecient then the teacher, hence his elimination..