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It’s good to be anti-Islam

 

I suspect that my biggest fan will insist that this is “racist” all over twitter, but then you can bet that he won’t actually watch Pat ‘s vid as I am now recommending either.

Cheers Comrades’

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33 Comments

  1. Richard Ryan says:

    OR as Andrew Bolt would say, “still not sorry”

  2. Iain Hall says:

    @theiainhall it takes a racist to approve of this, hall the racist— Paul (@paulwello) April 24, 2014

    right on cue

    🙄

  3. GD says:

    Islam isn’t a race 😦

  4. Ray Dixon says:

    Oh come on, GD, that’s splitting straws. Muslims are predominantly middle eastern people, and they certainly are a ‘race’. You know, Arabs. That’s what you constantly refer to in your anti-muslim rants against what you call ‘middle eastern immigrants’.

    Btw, you said you had a link to your claim re ‘middle eastern immigrants being 85% unemployed after 5 years in Oz according to the ABS’.

    You also said you’d put it up.

    You haven’t.

    Come on, cough up!

    Put up or shut up retract.

  5. GD says:

    Three links actually. A bit later, busy at the minute.

  6. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    there are Muslims from every race on the planet, it is utterly wrong to suggest that criticism of Islam is Racist is to profoundly misunderstand just what Islam is.

  7. Jeff G. says:

    Who is this bloke? He speaks very well. He goes a lot harder on Islam than I would, but I reckon most of what he says is correct. All religion is ridiculous in my opinion. And Islam is the most ridiculous (and most violent) of the lot.

    Having said that, Ray is also right. Most Australian Muslims are fairly peaceful people. And a lot of bogans like to hate on Islam because they think it gives them a license to hate on brown people.

  8. Ray Dixon says:

    Oh, you’ve been too “busy’ for what, 2 weeks to put up a lousy link , GD? You don’t have any proof do you? You made it up. You invented falsehoods about ‘middle eastern immigrants’, yet you claim not to have racially vilified them? Of course you have, it’s your M.O.

    Iain, I was referring to GD’s rants against ‘middle eastern immigrants’, who are muslims … and clearly also a race. You knew that though, didn’t you?

  9. Iain Hall says:

    Ray

    Iain, I was referring to GD’s rants against ‘middle eastern immigrants’, who are muslims … and clearly also a race. You knew that though, didn’t you?

    Firstly did you watch the Vid?

    Secondly you just can’t keep making excuses for Islam by suggesting that any who critisise it do so because they are Racists. Islam is the problem not the ethnicity of its originators or the ethnicity of its Australian adherents. Its a line of argument that does you no favours.

  10. Ray Dixon says:

    I make no excuses for Islam and I don’t suggest those who criticise their practices are racists. I do suggest that those – like GD – who falsely attack ‘middle eastern immigrants’ are racially vilifying though. Now please, Iain, you’re twisting my words to mean something they don’t.

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  12. GD says:

    I make no excuses for Islam and I don’t suggest those who criticise their practices are racists. I do suggest that those – like GD – who falsely attack ‘middle eastern immigrants’ are racially vilifying though

    Ray, you can’t separate islamic practices from Middle Eastern Islamic immigrants. To suggest that such immigrants check their ideology at the door when they enter Australia is both absurd and a denial of reality.

    For instance, islamic female genital mutilation is a fact of life in Australia, shocking as it seems.

    Melbourne’s Royal Women’s Hospital says it is seeing between 600 and 700 women each year who have experienced it in some form.

    As Tim Blair says,

    And that’s just in Melbourne. What about Sydney? Adelaide? Perth? What the hell is going on here?

    Then there are the attempted terrorist attacks on the Australian military.

    And you don’t see a growing problem?

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/religion-is-an-issue-when-terrorism-is-suspected/story-e6frfifo-1225758010707

    As for those employment statistics:

    Here are both News Ltd and Fairfax reports.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/a-world-of-long-term-welfare-for-refugees/story-e6frfkvr-1226050161428

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/a-world-of-long-term-welfare-for-refugees/story-e6freuzr-1226050094427

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/the-truth-on-refugees-is-worse-than-fiction-20120729-2369z.html

    Ray, your view about the past six years’ Islamic influx is highly romanticised nonsense

  13. Ray Dixon says:

    you can’t separate islamic practices from Middle Eastern Islamic immigrants. To suggest that such immigrants check their ideology at the door when they enter Australia is both absurd and a denial of reality.

    I made no such suggestion, GD. Will you stop misquoting me, please? I was referring to your claim that Islam is not a race by pointing out that the ‘middle eastern immigrants’ that you have vilified certainly are a race as well as muslims and to put falsehoods out about ‘middle eastern immigrants’ (as you have on these pages) is certainly racial vilification. Yet you respond with that completely irrelevant (and false) claim about what I said. Well, we’ve come to expect such distortion and obfuscation from you as a means of diverting attention so why am I surprised?

    islamic female genital mutilation is a fact of life in Australia, shocking as it seems.

    I agree the practice is “shocking” and unacceptable but I don’t think you have any stats on how widespread it is, do you? Besides, they’re not exactly imposing it on the rest of us so what is your point? Traditional/cultural practices like that are often continued by first generation immigrants but over time those that don’t sit right with our way of life eventually die out.

    Then there are the attempted terrorist attacks on the Australian Military

    There was only one attempted (or plotted) attack, GD, so why use the plural? And how half-arsed and amateurish was that? How many people did it involve? Oh, three? Look, you’ll have to dig deeper to prove that muslim immigrants are out to kill us because the proof of that is simply not there.

    As for those employment statistics … Here are both News Ltd and Fairfax reports.

    Yes, I’ve read them and I’ll reply under a separate post. You’ve got some retracting to do because your own links prove that you’ve falsely vilified ‘middle eastern immigrants’, GD.

    Gee, combine that with your exaggerated claims above and you look like a real right-wing hater.

  14. GD says:

    I don’t think you have any stats on how widespread it is, do you?

    Well, 700 hundred a year in Melbourne paints an horrific picture. As Tim Blair asked, ‘And that’s just in Melbourne. What about Sydney? Adelaide? Perth? What the hell is going on here?’

    That link btw is from your ABC.

    But no, Ray would rather stick his head in the sand and dream of his utopian multicultural society.

    It ain’t gonna happen, Ray. It hasn’t happened in any other country that Islam has encroached upon and it won’t happen here.

  15. Ray Dixon says:

    GD, there are far worse things than that going on in Melbourne every year. And you can stop labelling me as some kind of idealistic utopian, please. Stop personalising your arguments. I don’t have any illusions of a perfect society but obviously you do. You’re the one who seems to think we can order people to believe and behave the way we say they should when the reality is we can only insist people abide by our laws – that’s it. If muslims break the laws they get charged. And if it’s a serious enough crime (and if they’re an immigrant) they get deported. You can complain all you like about muslims but if that practice is illegal it’ll be stopped. You don’t have any real point here.

  16. Ray Dixon says:

    Okay, GD, I won’t leave it for two weeks to respond like you did. This is what you said on 12 April under the thread ‘A Cure for Islamophobia’:

    As the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows, 85% of Middle Eastern immigrants are still on welfare after five years, along with 97% of Afghan immigrants. If the Snowy River scheme was being built now, by immigrants, the water would barely trickle into Bega. The workers would be too busy lining up for Centrelink.

    The clear implication of your Snowy River example (in which you claim the immigrants would refuse to work) is that the 85% are receiving unemployment benefits. However, the link(s) that you belatedly supplied (after how many requests for proof?) say otherwise:

    The statistics are contained in a Department of Immigration and Citizenship report released 3 years ago.
    The study of more than 8500 humanitarian entrants revealed that only 31 per cent of humanitarian refugees were considered “employed” after five years.

    The remainder were unemployed, retired, studying full time, engaged in caring duties, doing voluntary work or trying to start a business from which they had yet to receive income.

    So firstly, it’s not an ABS report, but let’s ignore that “mistake” you made. The point is in the last line, where it clarifies that the remaining 69% were either “unemployed, retired, studying full time, engaged in caring duties, doing voluntary work or trying to start a business”. No doubt it also includes infants, school children and their mothers.

    Okay, the report also says, “The greatest unemployment rate was recorded among new arrivals from Iraq and Afghanistan, with less than one in 10 finding full-time work and 93.7 per cent of households receiving Centrelink payments”, but again, those percentages are NOT completely reflective of unemployment among ‘middle eastern immigrants’ as obviously they also include children, the elderly and mothers raising young kids. And some of those Centrelink payments may be very minor ones.

    In short, GD, you have misused that report (much as News Ltd and Scott Morrison did) to paint a picture that 85% of ‘middle eastern immigrants’ are lazy, dole-bludgers, who wouldn’t even put their hands up for work if the Govt offerred them something like the Snowy River scheme. It’s untrue, malicious and (most likely) a breach of the racial vilification laws in my opinion.

    However, you could always use the defence that your misinterpretation of the report was an ‘honest mistake’ due to your lack of cognitive reasoning skills, so I’ll let you off this time.

  17. GD says:

    Geez Ray, if you actually believe what you just wrote, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

    The statistics are contained in a Department of Immigration and Citizenship report released 3 years ago. The study of more than 8500 humanitarian entrants revealed that only 31 per cent of humanitarian refugees were considered “employed” after five years.
    The remainder were unemployed, retired, studying full time, engaged in caring duties, doing voluntary work or trying to start a business from which they had yet to receive income.

    “studying full time, doing voluntary work or trying to start a business” are euphemisms for ‘still on the full unemployment benefit’.

    Studying full time doesn’t guarantee future earnings, voluntary work is a vague concept that still fails to lead to employment and the ‘trying to start a business’ is spurious at best.

    DEWR has a scheme for Newstart recipients to receive the full dole while undertaking a six week course which results in a useless certificate. For the next twelve months those certificate holders are free to pretend they are ‘starting a business’ and are paid the full dole.

    The ABS criteria for ‘working full time’ is not 35 hours a week or anywhere near that. It can be as little as a few hours a week.

    The figure quoted by News Ltd and Fairfax of 85 per cent on welfare is probably quite close to the mark.

  18. Ray Dixon says:

    “studying full time, doing voluntary work or trying to start a business” are euphemisms for ‘still on the full unemployment benefit’.

    What a load of crap, GD. ‘Studying full time’ most likely refers to school kids. You are aware that refugees include many children, aren’t you? And those ‘starting a business’ should be lauded not criticised.

    Why are you so biased, GD? It’s not a good look to make wild claims & exaggerations about immigrants like you’ve done and you really should quit while you’re behind.

  19. GD says:

    Ray, you mentioned that you’re visiting France soon. That bridge I’ve got for sale is across the Channel. It’s in London.

    ‘Studying full time’ most likely refers to school kids

    Since when have school-age kids been included in unemployment statistics?

    Get a grip Ray, and take a look at that bridge, it’s going cheap.

  20. Ray Dixon says:

    Since when have school-age kids been included in unemployment statistics?

    They are not included in ABS figures, GD, but the figures you referred to are not from the ABS, they are from an Immigration report on all humanitarian immigrants (refugees) and, by definition, when they say only x % are regarded as employed they are referring to all refugees including women, children and the elderly. You need to read your own source material and stop playing the fool. I won’t bother responding to any more of this tripe until and unless you acknowledge your distortion of the report.

  21. GD says:

    they are referring to all refugees including women, children and the elderly.

    And your proof of that is?

    Come on, no immigration/refugee reports about employment stats include kids.

    Get real!

    Keep trying Ray,

    so far it’s 85% unemployed after five years, your protestations notwithstanding.

  22. Ray Dixon says:

    I don’t need any “proof”, GD … YOU DO ! You have quoted an Immigration Dept report and claimed it as representing official unemployment figures among ‘middle eastern immigrants’ when it clearly does no such thing. It refers only to the numbers in employment as a whole – ie as a whole including all refugees regardless of age and/or impairment. It was by no means meant to be regarded as a guide to unemployment but was merely presented as one by News Ltd and now by you. You even had the audacity in your initial comment to claim it was “according to the ABS”, which was false. Read it again, carefully. Which part of this do you fail to understand?:

    The remainder were unemployed, retired, studying full time, engaged in caring duties, doing voluntary work or trying to start a business from which they had yet to receive income.

    If you believe the sample (8,500) did not include children, mothers, genuine students, self-employed and the elderly then the onus is on you (not me) to prove that.

  23. GD says:

    Come on, Ray. Why would a survey about unemployment include children? You are being ridiculous. Take off your rose coloured glasses and face the fact that Middle Eastern illegal immigrants aren’t the most desirable immigrants to invite to Australia, not due to their race but due to their culture and poisonous islamic ideology.

  24. GD says:

    And while you’re chortling and spitting chips about that issue, here’s another that you can take home.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/now_the_spotlight_is_on_the_liberals_slush_funds/

    Yes the Libs are again in the bad books re NSW.

    Go to town Ray.

  25. Jeff G. says:

    In fairness to GD, he got the 85% of refugees on welfare stat from the same report:

    http://www.dss.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/01_2014/settlement-outcomes-new-arrival_access.docx

    “Humanitarian migrant households are far more likely to be in receipt of Centrelink payments than other streams. Around 85% of Humanitarian entrants’ households are in receipt of Centrelink payments, while around 28% of Skilled migrants’ households make use of Centrelink payments.”

    Also, the sample did not include kids:

    “The following criteria were used to select records for the study: Humanitarian, Skilled and Family visa applicants where permanent residency has been granted. Temporary visa applicants were not included in the population. The applicant was 18 years or older.”

    I am not too bothered about a high number being on welfare, that is to be expected as they transition into life here. But I am disgusted with the statistic that says of refugees who have been here 4-5 years, 34.9% can’t speak English well and 7.4% can’t speak it at all. Four years is enough time to learn the bloody language of a society where you want to live. If they haven’t made some progress by then, they should be shipped back home. Language testing should be a condition of these humanitarian visas.

  26. GD says:

    Thanks for that, Jeff.

    Ray first said I made up the quote, then he said it included children, then when I quoted three newspapers he reckoned that News Ltd and I should be held responsible for ‘racial vilification’.

    Now you complete the picture with the original link to the Department of Social Services document. Well done, even if you don’t always agree with my views.

    In fairness to GD, he got the 85% of refugees on welfare stat from the same report:

    “Humanitarian migrant households are far more likely to be in receipt of Centrelink payments than other streams. Around 85% of Humanitarian entrants’ households are in receipt of Centrelink payments, while around 28% of Skilled migrants’ households make use of Centrelink payments.”

    Also, the sample did not include kids:

    “The following criteria were used to select records for the study: Humanitarian, Skilled and Family visa applicants where permanent residency has been granted. Temporary visa applicants were not included in the population. The applicant was 18 years or older.”

  27. Ray Dixon says:

    The survey was limited to people over 18 so that excludes children but does not exclude “other”. And “other” includes the following: Retired, students, carers, mothers with young kids, the impaired, etc. Also, if you had read the full report (as I have), GD, you’d find this:

    “While Humanitarian entrants are less likely to be working compared with other streams, they are far more likely to be studying full-time, studying and working or studying and looking after their families. Given that we are exploring only the first five years of settlement in this study, this is not a surprising result as many Humanitarian entrants are strongly focused on creating a new life, and studying for a qualification is an important step in this journey.”

    You’d also have discovered (as I did) that the survey was limited to one person per household and when asked the question about welfare it was considered a “yes” if ANY member of the household was in receipt of any Centrelink assistance. So it does not mean “85% of households are on welfare”, it means – as stated – “85% of households have at least one member in receipt of some kind of Centrelink benefit”. You’d also have read this (if only you’d bothered):

    “Around 85% of Humanitarian entrants’ households are in receipt of Centrelink payments. It must be understood that Centrelink payments are not only unemployment benefits but also include Youth Allowance, Austudy and child care rebates”

    Hmm, and aren’t ALL people with kids under 16 getting child care rebates? Black or white? Refugee or Aussie born? I think so.

    You see, GD, you have taken that survey and twisted its outcomes to claim 85% of ‘middle eastern immigrants’ are dole bludgers and wouldn’t put their hands up for work even if it were something like the Snowy River scheme being offered. That’s untrue and that’s what I called (almost) racial vilification. And it is, “almost”. You seem to forget I gave you the benefit of the doubt based on your lack of comprehension skills – i.e. I let you off on the defence of being too dumb to understand what the figures meant. Although I could have said you merely cherry-picked the reports from the paper and skewed them to suit your blatant anti-middle eastern/dark people point of view. That’d probably be more correct.

  28. Jeff G. says:

    No problem GD. Still think you’re obsessed with this anti-Islam thing though. The way I see it we have more problems with the way 20 million Australians are behaving, before we need to be concerned about a few thousand Muslims. The country is at the crossroads economically and I think our way of life is under threat from that, more than it is from a few brown people.

  29. Iain Hall says:

    Jeff
    don’t forget that it took only 19 Muslims to bring down the towers on 9/11…
    As for ‘an economic cross roads” well I think that the thing to keep in mind about the commission of audit is that its suggestions go a great deal further than the government will actually move. The report does not consider what is politically achievable for government that will need to be re-elected. and given the timing I can’t help but think that the shock factor of this document is designed to make the actual decisions in the upcoming budget look far more moderate than they otherwise would.

  30. Jeff G. says:

    Iain, it took only one Martin Bryant to kill 35 people at Port Arthur but it would be silly to ban blonde bogans. There has not been a terrorist attack on Aust soil. Nor is there likely to be because we are not a target. There are almost certainly Muslim nutters here but I am sure they are being watched.

    I agree with you about the audit report. It’s been wheeled out to make the govt look like nice guys, when they only implement a few of the cutbacks. Strange though that this report said nothing about tax reform, which is what this country really needs. Rudd and Swann had a report on tax reform that they did nothing with, Abbott and Hockey will do the same. The political leaders on both sides are too gutless and incompetent to make the kinds of changes we need.

  31. Iain Hall says:

    Jeff
    Your comparison really does not work.
    Bryant was a mentally ill man who went on a Killing spree. The 9/11 conspirators were “sane” Jihadists driven by a hateful ideology.An ideology followed by many of their fellow Muslims, On the other hand there are for all intents and purposes NO other bogans who think the way that Bryant does or who want to buy their place in paradise with the blood of infidels.

  32. Jeff G. says:

    My comparison was a bit of a joke. But all the same, I do not believe in panicking about a threat until there is clear evidence of a threat. There is no evidence that Muslim terrorists can/will launch an attack in Australia. We are not important enough. Sure there was the planned attack on the army base in Sydney, but if you read about it you will reach the conclusion that the Marx Brothers could have organised a better terrorist raid.

    People like you and GD want to believe the worst about brown skinned foreigners. Personally I prefer to see some evidence.

  33. Iain Hall says:

    Jeff

    People like you and GD want to believe the worst about brown skinned foreigners. Personally I prefer to see some evidence.

    You have played this racism card before and I reject your accusation absolutely. I likewise have absolutely no problem with any of the variations within the human species. No “race” of people are in any way greater or lesser in their humanity as far as I’m concerned, Skin colour does not IN ANY SENSE designate virtue or villainy in my eyes. In my own family we have a rather multicultural mix and I think that is a very good thing. In NO way do I advocate the superiority or inferiority of any distinct group within the human species based upon their skin colour

    Religion transcends ethnicity Jeff and I have no qualms at all in citing just where a religion crosses the line between being merely a quaint a benign mythology and becoming a malignant totalitarian and pernicious ideology and of all of the ideologies and religions of the world there is none less benign than Islam and anyone who is a devout follower of that faith should be considered suspect until they prove otherwise.

    Have I made myself clear?

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