What we know so far
• Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has gone missing en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing
• Boeing 777 was carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew
• About 160 passengers are believed to be Chinese nationals
• Plane left KL at 12.41am local time and lost contact with air traffic control about two hours later
Updated at 3.11am GMT
There is almost no chance at all that anyone has survived the crash of this plane, its just the simple truth that when an aircraft crashes its generally always fatal unlike cars there are almost no design features in aircraft to make crashes survivable. Cue the usual claims about the “safety” of air travel that is based upon how seldom they crash when the true measure of vehicle safety should be based upon your chances of walking away from a crash.
with respect for the dead Comrades
A relative (woman in white) of a passenger onboard Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 cries as she talks on her mobile phone at the Beijing Capital …
Iain Hall's SANDPIT 
According to Bill Shorten this is what may happen with Qantas if we relax the foreign ownership laws.
Even for Shorten that is a that to try to exploit the probable death of the passengers and crew has to qualify as gross opportunism that borders on grave robbing.
GD, blames the doomed plane on the Carbon Tax.
M My observation: No plan (B) Now please, please wipe away those fake tears.
One for Iain. “If black boxes survive air crashes, why can’t they make the whole plane out of that stuff”.
Its all about the fine balance between material strength and weight Richard and the location of black-boxes plays a big part in their ability to survive, they are usually in the tail of the plane which is often still intact even in the most catastrophic crash
Shorten’s right. Qantas has never had a crash but one day it surely will. His logic cannot be flawed on that statement.
Btw, I do agree that Shorten’s a fool to block the repeal of the carbon tax. What a dumb politician – he’s no leader.
The carbon tax is very much Labor’s WorkChoices. Imagine if the Coalition had blocked the repeal of WorkChoices. Now everyone knows that Electricity Bill wants you to pay more for electricity. What a political blunder.
Agreed Leon – the Carbon tax was a bad political move from day one.
So why didn’t you say so from day one instead of insisting that no business would suffer as a result of the carbon tax? Remember?
I didn’t say that. I never supported the carbon tax. I said it was a blunt instrument from day one and too harsh.
No Ray, you shouted, ‘show me one business that has suffered because of the carbon tax’. Well now Qantas is, along with all those small businesses that you mocked for blaming the carbon tax. I’ll trawl through the archives to prove this, because you were loud-mouthed about how the carbon tax wouldn’t affect businesses.
I was not “loud mouthed”. That’s your style not mine. Besides, you could hardly put Qantas’ woes down to the carbon tax alone. I reckon you’re just diverting away from your ABC stuff up on the other thread, so leave it at that. I never agreed with the carbon tax.
Yes Leon I thought that ages ago and I have been known to refer to it as “carbonchoices”
Not sure how we decide the “true” way to decide on vehicle safety. Didn’t even know there was a “true” way.
Perhaps the most meaningful measure is a comparative one: are you better off getting from Malaysia to wherever via plane, or via donkey cart? The donkey cart is probably safer, but there are a couple of problems with the idea.
” A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul” — George Bernard Shaw. So True, Memo To Tony Abbott. Go and f%CK YOURSELF.
For once you quote something good Richard, well done that man!
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