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Illegitimate Shorten Win Spits In The Eyes Of ALP Members


Well said Yale and as a LNP supporter I could not be happier that the ALP have, once again, given themselves another self-inflicted wound.
Cheers Comrade



  1. James says:

    Funny that Labor are praising a system where 60% of their individual independent members wanted Anthony Albanese but they got Bill Shorten because that’s who 63% of Union controlled Caucus members wanted. So basically they got the same guy they would have got if they hadn’t gone through this whole charade.

  2. GD says:

    So basically they got the same guy they would have got if they hadn’t gone through this whole charade.

    Exactly, James.

  3. Ray Dixon says:

    While I basically agree that Caucus backed ‘the wrong guy’ in Bill Shorten, I think Yale’s guilty over over-dramatising this event. He is reading far too much into the vote for ALP leadership, the background and the implications and, in so doing, is reaching some pretty far-fetched conclusions. It’s best demonstrated by the fallacy of his claim that:

    “nearly two-thirds of ALP members (are) opposed to (Shorten’s) leadership”

    That is an illogical conclusion to draw from a two-horse race where members had no choice but to back one horse or the other, even if they were quite happy for either to win. Think about it: It’s quite possible (in fact quite likely) that of the 60% of members who voted for Albanese, a fair number of them had no objection to Shorten and were not “opposed” to him as Yale claims. Even if only 20% of the 60% of those who voted for Albanese were ambivalent towards the outcome, that would convert to Shorten having a majority support of 52% of the membership – the same figure he got overall. Yale’s claim is a far too simple analysis to have any validity. When people (like Yale) make big, bold blanket claims like the simple-stupid one he made above, it kind of undermines his whole argument and premise that the party is “divided” and that the result “spits in the eyes of ALP members”.

    That said, I agree that this process stinks of Caucus having found out the member vote in advance and having done their sums accordingly. Even ‘numbers man’ Richo was astounded that Caucus voted so strongly for Shorten and hinted that at least 2 or 3 Caucus members were coerced to defect just to offset the massive membership vote for Albo.

    But you guys can criticise the process all you like but just remember that you have pretty much the same problems in electing a Coalition leader while in Opposition. Anyone remember Brendan ‘Mr 7% popularity’ Nelson? How about Malcolm Turnbull? How about Joe Hockey’s failed bid? And how about Abbott’s stab-in-the-back one-vote win out of nowhere? Oh, that wasn’t orchestrated behind the scenes? That was all above board and dinky di? Sure ……..

  4. James says:

    The 30,000 ALP members are the grassroots, and hence they are a litmus test of the wider electorate. By voting against them, Caucus demonstrate their disdain for voters.

    Labor are dependent on the voting community for power, yet they continue to ignore what the electorate is telling them about electoral appeal in a leader, relegating themselves further to irrelevance. They deserve no less.

    This from the same people who have always known better…remember the Mark Latham experiment? How did that go? Removing one of the most popular Labor PMs of all time in Kevin Rudd, and replacing with their choice of Julia Gillard. Another master stroke. Simon Crean, Kim Beasley? Hmmmmm.

  5. Ray Dixon says:

    How do you think Abbott would have gone in 2009 if the Liberal Party membership had had a say? He’d have been lucky to have got 15% of their vote and you’d have either Turnbull or Big Joe as your leader. You can’t have it both ways, James, by deriding the process of including the membership in the vote but then saying they are “the litmus test”.

  6. The reason Abbott was elected Liberal leader was that the electorate contacted their Liberal members and demanded that he take over from Turnbull who was supporting stupidities like the Carbon Tax/ETS.

  7. Ray Dixon says:

    How did “the electorate contact their Liberal members” and in what numbers? That sounds like hearsay.

  8. Iain Hall says:

    a roll call of the damned:

    Leader – Bill Shorten

    Deputy leader – Tanya Plibersek

    Leader in the Senate – Penny Wong

    Deputy leader in the Senate – Stephen Conroy

    Anthony Albanese

    Sharon Bird

    Chris Bowen

    Tony Burke

    Mark Butler

    Kim Carr

    Doug Cameron

    Jason Clare

    Julie Collins

    Mark Dreyfus

    Kate Ellis

    Don Farrell

    David Feeney

    Joel Fitzgibbon

    Gary Gray

    Catherine King

    Andrew Leigh

    Jenny Macklin

    Richard Marles

    Jan McLucas

    Claire Moore

    Shayne Neumann

    Brendan O’Connor

    Melissa Parke

    Bernie Ripoll

    Michelle Rowland
    – See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/old-guard-set-to-dominate-alp-frontbench/story-fn59niix-1226739487644#sthash.GOiXqRCU.Ywgvs8zX.dpuf

  9. James says:

    All the same old faces being re-cycled again. They really haven’t got a clue.

  10. GD says:

    a roll call of the damned:

    Absolutely right, Iain.

    All the same old faces being re-cycled again. They really haven’t got a clue.

    Once again, James, spot on.

    And the continued blame for their defeat on the ‘disunity’.

    Memo to Labor:

    It’s the policies, stupid!

  11. Ray Dixon says:

    And what a stunning bunch they are on the Coalition front bench, improved only by Sophie Mirabella’s absence.

  12. Ray Dixon says:

    It’s the policies, stupid!

    Yeah, GD, and of course you’d say that because (as we all know), the Coalition don’t know what ‘policies’ are.

    They’re going alright so far are they?

    And what exactly have they done?


    ….. hmm …………….

    ……………………… ?




    Oh yeah …… !!!!!!!

    They’ve done SFA !!

  13. GD says:

    They’re going alright so far are they?

    They’re going very well, thank you, Ray. Prime Minister Tony Abbott has impressively acquitted himself overseas in a number of capacities, namely trade and illegal immigration.

    Under Labor, 500 boats arrived each week. Since the Libs have taken over, even before a sitting of Parliament, this has dropped to about 80 boats.

    These are early days, but the conservative, adult approach to government, rather than the knee-jerk, thought-bubble, sound-byte Labor shemozzle, seems to be working.

    As you said, with Shorten (mis)-leading the ALP, the Libs can look forward to a second term.

  14. James says:

    And no sooner has the dust settled, well no the dust hasn’t settled from the Union/factional leadership election has it?

    Several Labor MPs overlooked for senior positions have lashed out at the factional process to elect the party’s frontbench.

    New Labor leader Bill Shorten has returned the power to elect a frontbench to the party room.

    Today the Caucus met to elect former health minister Tanya Plibersek as deputy leader and nominate their colleagues for the frontbench.

    There are six new faces in the Shadow Ministry, but former ministers Jacinta Collins, Kate Lundy and Warren Snowden have all been dumped.

    There have been claims from the left-wingers that they were punished for voting against Anthony Albanese in the leadership ballot.

    Mr Snowdon and former speaker Anna Burke have publicly complained about missing out and slammed the factional election process.


    And the in fighting just keeps rolling along.

  15. James says:

    And as they say in those adds … But Wait There’s More

    Penny Wong will remain as Senate leader, while Stephen Conroy reclaimed the deputy job from Ms Collins, who has plummeted from the fourth most senior role to the Opposition backbench.

    There have been claims from left-wingers that they were punished for voting against Anthony Albanese in the leadership ballot.

    Inside Caucus, dumped Northern Territorian Mr Snowdon complained of side deals and stitch-ups, allegedly using the word “corruption”.

    Outside he complained to the media about small factional groups electing the frontbench.

    “You can’t have small groups of people meeting as a cabal, deciding on who should be the shadow ministers which is what in effect what happened today,” he said.

    Meanwhile, former speaker Anna Burke was so unhappy at being overlooked that she defied her faction and unsuccessfully challenged for the Chief Whip position.

    She has told Lateline she is disappointed she missed out after the position went to Chris Hayes.

    “For me it’s not really about the outcome, it’s the process,” she said.

    “And yes I’m bitter and twisted at this point in time, I’ll be brutally honest.

    “But it is about how to ensure people feel they’ve had their voice heard in the process and been considered in that process.”

    In an opinion piece written for The Guardian, and published soon after the new shadow ministry was announced, Ms Burke says the line-up reflects a return to the “faceless men” in control of the Labor caucus.

    She says she did not get the Chief Chip position because of the “numbers and deals done beforehand”.

    Despite the new shadow ministry including 11 women, Ms Burke also says Mr Shorten has “failed to deliver progress for women in the party”.

    “The problem with women is that they think effort will be rewarded and recognised,” she wrote in the The Guardian piece.

    “They work like girly swots and naively believe that they will get meritorious selection. But there is no meritocracy.”

    Other MPs are complaining about a lack of new faces.

    They are particularly galled powerbroker Don Farrell is in the Cabinet even though he is leaving the Senate in July.

    Others are furious about the gender balance, as while Labor’s left faction nominated eight women for the frontbench, the right faction included only three women in its 16 positions.

    Former prime minister Kevin Rudd did not nominate for a position along with former foreign minister Bob Carr, who made it clear to colleagues he would not be staying in Parliament.

    The allocation of frontbench portfolios will be announced on Friday.

    Yes that’s Bill and Ray’s happy little Labor Party.

  16. Ray,
    Ordinary people sent emails and letters in sufficient numbers to cause the parliamentary party to take action. Even though my local member was Wayne Swan, I still had input. Didn’t need to be a union member in order to be ignored!

  17. Ray Dixon says:

    Under Labor, 500 boats arrived each week

    Are you on the piss again, GD? 500 boats per week? Seriously?

  18. Iain Hall says:

    Obviously GD meant 500 people a week under Labor and now about 80 people a week under the coalition Ray, but you knew that didn’t you 😉

  19. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain, this is GD’s full comment:

    “Under Labor, 500 boats arrived each week. Since the Libs have taken over, even before a sitting of Parliament, this has dropped to about 80 boats“.

    He said “boats” twice so no, I didn’t know he meant to say “people”. If he did, then it suggests my ‘on the piss’ remark was on the money. In any case, Iain, the 80 per week under the Coalition is unconfirmed.

    Geoff, unless you have the specific numbers of emails sent by ‘ordinary members’ (and the data to back that up) then your claim is still hearsay.

  20. Iain Hall says:

    Ray i heard the report upon which that comment is based and I am rather sure that its just a simple slip up and not requiring the suggestion that GD is on the piss.

  21. Ray Dixon says:

    Anyone who thinks a report of boats arriving at the rate of 500 per week is accurate (and then repeats it!) is definitely on the piss.

  22. GD says:

    Ray.I meant boat-people not boats. OK. But you knew that didn’t you?

    And you reckon the Libs have done SFA..

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