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According to the SMH Rudd is calling an election on Sept 7.
For those about to vote Labor, we salute you, well, no we don’t, we damn you, because you are damning the nation to another three years of ever-increasing debt, further failed policies and continued squandering of public money on pie in the sky, pigs might fly, pipe dreams.
Since the sixties, Labor has returned a budget surplus once, just once. Hawke managed it in 1987.
There is already a member of parliament who wasn’t born when Labor last recorded a surplus.
Sadly, it’s the younger generations that will have to pay for this malfeasance. Overseas interest payments mean less money to pay for hospitals, roads, railways and the disability insurance scheme.
Unfortunately these wet behind the ears useful idiots don’t realise that:
On a more qualified note, read this exposition by Henry Ergas and Judith Sloan.
It demolishes that oft used excuse by Laborites that the deficit is due to the GFC.
Labor has no excuse and holds all culpability for the largest deficit in Australian history, and with no doubt, the least return.
Here’s a fun graph. It shows how, under Labor policies, unemployment has a tendency to rise.
That’s as idiotic as it is insulting, GD. So anyone who doesn’t agree with your extremely biased, one-eyed and skewed view of the government and our economy, to your false claims and exaggerations and to your, quite frankly, bald-faced lies (in some instances) is what, someone to damn and condemn?
In your perfect world order, GD, what is it you would prefer – that everyone votes for one conservative party thereby resulting in a one-party system? So you want a dictatorship and no one to have a contrary view to yours?
Don’t you see how absurd your OTT comments have become? You’ve reached the point where it’s just a sideshow, mate, and you’re not entering into proper and respectful debate. There’s just no point responding to your mockery, silly graphs & cartoons and one-eyed rhetoric. Even Tony Abbott at least concedes the government is a formidable opponent but you’re just showing disdain for those who don’t see the world the same way you do.
Rather than be insulted Ray, why not read the article I linked to. Is that OTT too? BTW where has Tony Abbott ‘conceded that the government is a formidable opponent’?
Don’t worry about it GD.
It is always sad, that whenever facts are presented before Ray, that inevitably tear apart his unprovable hypotheses, his rebuttals never include anything other than unsubstantiated labor party-line rhetoric ?
The defecit / surplus is definitely worthy of discussion, but neither actually accurately shows the country’s correct fiscal position ?
All it shows, is the amount of interest payments being made, to the billions borrowed on the countries credit card ? That is the figure I, and many others, want to see. That is the figure that is going to blow everyone’s bloody mind here. We are only currently paying back the interest, with nothing coming off the principle ? So, any forward estimate by labor, about being able to present a surplus budget, is fantasy at best, criminal fraud at worst.
I, and millions of others, want to hear the TOTAL debt, that labor’s incompetence has wracked up over six years.
That one is going to scare the pants off everyone with an ounce of common sense, and a conscience, no matter what side of the political divide they dwell ? I bet that figure will be kept secret as long as possible by labor !
I repeat, GD, your use of rhetoric & hyperbole and your failure to enter reasonable debate makes it pointless to respond to you over these matters. Mate, you are as one-eyed as they come and you will never concede that’s there’s not much between the government and your precious braindead coalition opposition. As for your cherry-picked articles that you constantly “point to” and expect me to read, forget it. Anyone can pick out media articles to suit their argument and you only ever choose those that present a view point similar to yours. I could play the same game but that’d be debating as disingenuously as you do.
Gee Ray, you really should lighten up a bit.
I haven’t been following these pages for very long, but even I can see, your above paragraph, apart from the research part (which you never seem to do ?), could very well apply to you as well ?
Even you, a one eyed labor supporter, has to admit, that labor has failed with nearly everythng they have attempted. They are in disarray, and desperate to improve their odds, at the election, whenever they have the guts to call a date ? As a small busness owner, one who perhaps does their own books (?) you have to see the dangers of going further and further into debt as labor is doing ? It’s not that difficult.
Ray, you won’t even debate Iain. He deploys none of my favourite techniques, ie rhetoric, over-blown hyperbole and myriad big words. He is reasonable in his argument, yet still you shy away from any discussion. Your only input lately has been to point to one week of polls.
No Ray, that’s not quite true. A huge deficit says otherwise. Every policy or initiative Labor has instigated has either failed or run out of steam. That wasn’t the case with the previous Coalition government. Considering that many members of the current and stable opposition were ministers in the Howard government, it makes comparisons rather lop-sided.
Henry Ergas and Judith Sloan are highly credible commentators, and by that I mean they are credible to a vast section of the population. If you can provide a link to an article that disagrees with them, by all means post it. If not, continue to stick your head in the sand while absorbing only what ABC TV tells you.
GD, I’ve had plenty of debates with Iain over the merits of both parties and the economy etc. As you point out, he generally doesn’t resort to your style of “over-blown hyperbole” and exaggeration, although I have often told him to stop the barracking and cheerleading a la Joffa. Good to see you admit that your argument style is unreasonable and a deterrant to good debate.
“Tony”, this point about debate is between GD and I and doesn’t involve you. I don’t want to say anything about your new identity because I know how that’ll send you off so please just pull your head in and I’ll be happy to discuss stuff with you politely whenever you occassionally make a good point (or another king-sized blunder).
Funny Ray, I didn’t see the words Ray Dixon’s Private – Labor Voters Only Allowed on the banner above ?
There’s the identity challenge .
I win
Oops, St Kilda got trounced again.
That explains the mood I suppose?
😉
September 7 folks
Game on ?
What “mood”, Tony? I call a spade a spade … and an alias for what he is, ie someone too afraid to use his real name. Let’s leave it there – I have no desire to revisit past clashes with you and, let’s face it, you’re just too loopy to worry about, mate. I wonder if you can finally realise no one’s interested in your identity?
Then why continually challenge it ?
Perhaps you should revisit what you wrote above, and revise your last sentence ?
Talking about a contradictory.
No one is particularly nterested in your vain attempt to resurrect the labor party on your own ?
Lets face it, no one else in the country is interested in them, as is being shown by the latest polls.
If they fall anymore, they will float out the door, just as your God will come election time ?
Speaking of facing ? About time you faced that little piece of irony ?
BTW ? What happened to your answer about Australia’s TOTAL debt ?
Just like normal, and like Rudd, ignore it, and hope no one is looking ?
About as predictable as tomorrow’s sunrise.
Ray I have several questions for you:
If Labors Australia is so well financially positioned, yet they keep telling us that the financial boom is over, why do we have such a high debt rate.
Why just weeks after the budget has the now treasurer Bowen spun out a whole new set of figures which contradicted their then treasurer Swans more than optimistic figures. A treasurer that they lorded and praised no end, yet has been missing in action for the past 5 bweeks.
Which raises another question. There’s a list as long as a supermarket checkout tab of people who were applauded by the Labor Party as the stars of their being, of Course Gillard; Swan, Emerson, Garret, Combet, Roxen, Evans, Conroy, and the list goes on and on.
Where are they, are Labor now that ashamed of them that they won’t allow them out to face the media and campaign? We hearing blip from these luminaries of Labor, is it paranoia that old faithful highly praised associates will remind the electorate of somethings that they hope the electorate will forget.
We have a debt but not a “high” one. We have one because all countries have had to go into debt since 2008. Our debt is not out of control, not a burden and not in the same proportion as even strong economies like Germany. But if we hadn’t gone into debt since 2008 we’d be in recession – we’re not in recesssion and we’re not likely to be unless the govt slashes spending so much that the arse falls out of the economy.
Because the forward estimates of revenue coming in from taxation has fallen dramatically, through no fault of the govt. The coalition, if it wins, will face the same circumstances yet they won’t detail how they’ll do anything about it or how they’ll get back to surplus.
None of the above (with the possible exception of Evans – I’m not sure about him) are recontesting the election. They’re retiring.
Oh, of course, silly me, I forgot all the strengths in the Labor Party are retiring, so they can’t be rolled out to support the team like they have previously over the years.
So it’s fair to assume that we won’t be seeing or hearing from long-time Labor stalwarts like Simon Cream or Robert Faulkner either as they would also be locked in Labors ‘Out Of Sight – Out Of Mind Cupboard’ also. 😆
I guess you think you’ve got a point there, James, but it seems to be a secret known only to you and I don’t think most voters give two hoots about it.
I don’t think they could see a positive by appearing in public James.
After all, there are quite a few in your list, that at some stage or other, had aspirations of the top job.
In the end, it is a common term, that applies here, Golden Parachute ?
Another perhaps, rats deserting a sinking ship ?
The electorate will be forever personality driven. We knew these people’s personalities, as well as traits. Their replacements will not immediately succeed in their attempts to replace them. Just another hurdle labor will have difficulty straddling in its attempt to hold the reigns of power ?
This is just for fun, Ray please avert your eyes..