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Sadly its yet another example of a person killing in the name of Allah and I can’t help wondering how many more of these sorts of atrocities we have to see on our streets before the usual suspects  finally admit that there is a real problem with the ideology that inspires this sort of thing.

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16 Comments

  1. Richard Ryan says:

    The Moral of the story: The invading of Muslim lands is taboo.

  2. Iain Hall says:

    Bollocks Richard, the moral of the story is that Islam is a hateful and pernicious faith that seeks to drag the entire planet back to the seventh century.

  3. Richard Ryan says:

    Islam is a religion, like every other religion is not perfect. Amazing how two men can frighten the shits out of the masses, sorry for the bloke who lost his head, but this is terrorism against war, war the rich mans terrorism.

  4. Ray Dixon says:

    Richard, a cowardly attack like that is not “war” or even “terrorism”. It’s murder. Cold blooded and unprovoked murder. Were these guys soldiers on a mission? No. Were they even secret agents sent by Islamic terrorist organisations? No. What you have here is a couple of nutters who have latched onto an ideology as an excuse to vent their own aggressions and become notorious. Do you realise that by calling it an act of revenge for England’s “invading of muslim lands” you give justification to the muslim-bashers out there (and in here) to use this as another reason to ban muslim immigration? It was murder. A thrill kill by young idiots. Probably on drugs.

  5. Richard Ryan says:

    Anders Breivik killed 69 people, it is a whole new ball game. DIY assassins, loners. “Be alert, be alarmed” –John Howard. Of course innocent people killed in Afghanistan and Iraq, by the invaders, don’t help. Afghanistan has never been conquered—the might of the Russian army were defeated, thanks to the Americans supplying arms to the “freedom fighters”, who in turn are now fighting the Americans.

  6. Tony says:

    When a religion sanctions their members to go forth, strapping explosives to their bodies, detonating those explosives, killing not only their intended targets, but defenceless women and children in the process, on some sort of sick promise of eternal life, then it is no longer a religion, rather A CULT !

    On that basis, total erradication from this planet becomes the most sensible next step ?

  7. Richard Ryan says:

    They don’t like it, when they bring the war into their back-yards! As that infamous American once said, “war is a racket” Al Capone.

  8. Ray Dixon says:

    Thankfully, Iain, the conservative British Govt won’t be listening to that noob and his scaremongering video.

  9. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    the trouble with your line of argument is that it is just totally at odds with the evidence. The fellow in the second Vid I posted is not in any way shape or form “scaremongering” as you put it, he is simply explaining that the London killers are following the prescription for Muslim behaviour laid out in the Koran. Heck the killer said precisely that with the blood still wet upon his hands so don;t you think that we should take him at his word?
    I am all for blaming only those who were complicit in this barbaric murder but lets not be wilfully blind to the truth that what motivates this sort of killing is the Koran.
    There was no mass uprising of hatred and retribution against “peaceful” British Muslims as a result of this atrocity which is why the lilly livered response from David Cameron and Boris Johnson is so offensive to me as an Englishman and why I am angered by them lacking the courage to call a spade a spade here.

  10. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain, the trouble with your argument – that this is all about Islam – is that it seems to me at least one of these blokes might be more influenced by mental illness. Did you not read the article where one of his friends says the killer claims he was “taken prisoner” by M15 and that they then tried to “recruit him”? That’s a classic paranoid schizo symptom. I suspect drugs/psychosis/mental illness in this, Iain.

  11. Iain Hall says:

    Yes Ray there is a mental illness in play here and its called Islam.
    Look its reasonable to seek other explanations for this sort of atrocity but if you do so with the mission of validating a particular religion because you personally. My position is that the ideology of Islam is clearly the reason these men acted as they did, it provided the template for their crime and the justification, so lets not seek excuses for their actions in the other mental illnesses.
    Clearly you know and love family members who are of this faith and you undoubtedly see any criticism of their faith as an attack upon them and you want to defend their honour, which is both natural and reasonable. However I am willing to bet that those family members are not very overtly “religious” and that they are rather more secular in their outlook than the Jihadists in question here.

    Check this out Ray

  12. Ray Dixon says:

    I am not trying to validate Islam, Iain. And no, when people attack Islam I do not see it as an attack on my brother-in-law’s wife and his two children. I don’t even think that way and please don’t suggest I’m in anyway influenced or biased by that connection. The reality is she’s not even from the middle-east but bloody Albania, Iain, and there’s no suggestion that they are devout muslims anyway.

    I think you’re the one who is overkeen to tie this to Islamic influences when we don’t know the full facts yet.

    Btw, I don’t normally put requests like this up here, but would you mind putting that little twerp/semi-stalker “Stuart” on moderation please? He’s followed me here from my old blog and, as you can see by his style, he’s only here to harass and harrangue.

  13. GD says:

    Did you not read the article where one of his friends says the killer claims he was “taken prisoner” by M15 and that they then tried to “recruit him”?

    One of his friends ‘says’ that the killer ‘claims’ he was ‘taken prisoner’ by MI5?

    And you believe that Ray?

    The murderer, holding a knife dripping with the blood of an innocent British soldier on his hands, caught on camera, witnessed by many, made it clear that he did this for the Islamic cause, the Islamic caliphate.

    There can be no other explanation. Why are you defending Islam? Why are you ignoring the elephant in the room. Why can’t you admit that the elephant in the room is Islam?

    Do you realise that by calling it an act of revenge for England’s “invading of muslim lands” you give justification to the muslim-bashers out there (and in here) to use this as another reason to ban muslim immigration?

    Ray, that’s exactly what the blood-dripping murderer called it. Watch the video, he said it was exactly that.

    Ray, once again, why are you trying to whitewash what is obviously an Islamic jihardist act?

    It was murder. A thrill kill by young idiots. Probably on drugs

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    No Ray, it wasn’t a ‘thrill kill’. As for your puerile comment ‘probably on drugs’, that shows you are losing the argument.

    Why are you defending Islam? Why are you ignoring the elephant in the room. Why can’t you admit that the elephant in the room is Islam? Why can’t you admit that Islamic immigration in western countries isn’t working?

    Why are you so insistent that it should work? I’d like to hear that answer. What is it that the Left reckon Islam has to offer our society?

    Clearly, Islam reckons we have nothing to offer it, except for a thriving economy and a generous welfare program. They’ve shown this in Britain, Holland and France.

  14. Ray Dixon says:

    GD, I don’t believe he was taken prisoner by M15 or that they tried to recruit him. But I do believe that’s what he told his friend who, btw, naively didn’t seem to realise that claims like that are usually made by paranoid schizophrenics. In almost 100% of the cases.

    Yes, the killer was “saying” he did it in the name of Islam but that doesn’t mean he did. There certainly can be another explanation like perhaps it was a random act of murder influenced by mental ilness and/or drugs. It actually looks more like that than other terrorist attacks in western countries, which usually involve a degree of planning and are not usually carried out on just one person and so openly and brazenly.

    This incident and their behaviour was truly bizarre and I think it’s fairly likely these two were either nutters and/or off their scones on drugs. Sure, they uttered Jihad references but it doesn’t look like a terrorist attack.

    Unlike you though, I’ll wait until we know more before jumping in boots and all with any conclusions.

    You’re already using it as an example of why we should ban muslim immigration into Australia, which I knew you’d do. Well, good luck with getting any support for that idea even from your conservative idols in the coaltion.

    The only people who support that type of discrimination and fearmongering are in a very tiny minority of extreme right-wingers, GD. That’s why I put you in the extreme category. You’re way out there to the right, GD, so I guess anyone who is a moderate, or even just a fair-minded conservative, looks like a “leftist” to you.

    I’m not a “leftist” GD but I understand how I might look like one to you, seeing that you’re so far out on the extreme edges of the political spectrum.

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