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The fine art of being credible

As I predicted several times in this blog Tony Abbott has decided to Keep Labor’s  “compensation” package when the hated Carbon Tax is deservedly thrown out after September 14:

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This is utterly brilliant politics that very neatly cuts Labor off from the otherwise guaranteed scare campaign about the coalition and it renders Gillard and Co impotent in their attacks. While I’m sure that those true believers who are fighting their utter despair with disbelief and denial will crash very hard on September 14 ordinary Labor voters like those on Pensions and benefits can breathe a sigh of relief that they won’t be the ones feeling the pain for Labor’s maladministration of the nation over the last six years. However those in cushy jobs in the Climate change edifice will be quaking in their boots right now as they will be madly searching for new positions, now before the post September rush.

Over all I think that what Abbott offers here is entirely sensible both politically and economically and he has managed to press all of the right buttons more importantly what he says is credible, something Wayne Swan is utterly incapable of being.

Cheers Comrades

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59 Comments

  1. deknarf says:

    Surely you mean ‘incredible’ Iain? As in ‘not credible’. Any attempt to praise Phoney Tony’s performance last night is futility personified.
    I actually watched him, on the basis that one should at least look at the alternative. What a waste of time, but it least it confirmed my opinion that as the potential alternative Prime Minister, Phoney just doesn’t have it!

  2. deknarf says:

    PS: Eagerly awaiting the “Red and the Blue’s’ puerile attempt to put a positive spin on Phoney’s embarrassing speech to the 10 year old voters in our nation!

  3. deknarf says:

    PPS: The ‘Red and the Blue’ did try! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha etc. etc. And I thought that I had monocular vision! Mine has to be 20/20 by any fair judgment!

  4. Iain Hall says:

    Yet you seem to still think that Labor can win Deknarf so I suspect that your jocular noises are more the nervous laugh of someone in denial than anything real.
    Simple question for you: do you think that an Abbot government will largely do what he says they will in this speech?

  5. Richard Ryan says:

    AS I said before, Abbott will never ever be leader of this country. End of story. Shalom, Richard Ryan.

  6. Iain Hall says:

    Richard

    Unless Tony is hit by a bus he will be PM before Christmas, even the ALP supporters like Ray understand that simple reality and you asserting otherwise will not make it so.

  7. deknarf says:

    Simple answer: NO! Leopards don’t change spots, nor philosophies for that matter. My view is that the voter is being conned by the NO Coalition with promissory notes pre election and ‘oh dear it’s worse than we thought’ nastiness should they win Govt! Am I in denial, no not really. Given the current state of play Labor will be decimated in the September election with all that that entails. If I can prevent that happening then I shall try my bestest to do so.
    The fundamental question for me is do I want a government that actually cares for/considers people in it’s governance? Yes I do! And that means a Labor vote, warts and all!

  8. Stuart.W says:

    Iain, Do you notice what is tacit about the criticism of Abbott on this thread. The Abbott detractors are implying they’d prefer Gillard to lead on. But they an’t use those words, because they know how stupid it makes them.

  9. GD says:

    Tony Abbott’s strong, vibrant and reassuring speech was welcome news after six years of lies, fabrications and failures. The standing ovation by the public gallery was testament to this.

    However it seems that some commenters on the Sandpit watched a different speech, or were smoking to much hooch, or were unable to understand English spoken at an adult level.

    Phoney’s embarrassing speech to the 10 year old voters in our nation

    Joolia, soon-to-be ex PM, is the one who speaks down to adults, refuses to debate with anyone other than school children and and generally lectures in a voice best suited to addressing a Year 2 class.

    The fundamental question for me is do I want a government that actually cares for/considers people in it’s governance? Yes I do! And that means a Labor vote

    Labor imposes a carbon tax which raises electricity prices. Ordinary taxpayers are hurt by this, even though some lower income earners are re-imbursed. Electricity costs are one of the biggest headaches for average families.

    Tony Abbott pledges to scrap the carbon tax, while continuing to pay the compensation.

    And some loon on the sandpit reckons that Labor ‘cares for people’. Unbelievable.

    Electricity prices are fundamental to a decent lifestyle, whether you live in the hotter climes or the miserable southern climate. Labor’s imposition of an energy tax disguised as an environmental tax is a lie built on a lie.

    On the other hand Tony had a few zingers in his speech.

    * Government should be at least as interested in the creation of wealth as in its redistribution.

    * People who work hard and put money aside so they won’t be a burden on others should be encouraged, not hit with higher taxes.

    * If the carbon tax won’t hurt anyone why are Labor members of parliament now frightened to go doorknocking even in their heartland?

    * Only by delivering a strong economy can government deliver a sustainable National Disability Insurance Scheme and better schools.

    And then this ripper:

    This week, the Prime Minister and the Treasurer have constantly invoked Labor values. Were they Labor values the Prime Minister showed in carpet-bombing Kevin Rudd’s reputation; or in turfing Harry Jenkins as speaker for Peter Slipper; or in protecting Craig Thomson, the Member for Dobell, to this very day despite Fair Work Australia’s findings?

    And his last one:

    That’s how Bob Hawke and John Howard ran their governments but that’s not how government is run now, as the four former ministers now sitting on the backbench have testified.

  10. Ray Dixon says:

    Apart from your almost sickening fawning of Tony Abbott, who I predict will be a tyrant of a PM, I pretty much agree with nearly everything you’ve said there, GD. And that’s coming from a traditional Labor voter.

    I too do not recognise the Gillard govt as representative of true Labor values. She’s not even a shadow of Kevin Rudd, let alone the giants of Hawke & Keating, two Labor PMs who knew how to run a country and how to achieve the right balance between business and the average Joe.

    And these points you highlighted:

    * Government should be at least as interested in the creation of wealth as in its redistribution.

    * People who work hard and put money aside so they won’t be a burden on others should be encouraged, not hit with higher taxes.

    * If the carbon tax won’t hurt anyone why are Labor members of parliament now frightened to go doorknocking even in their heartland?

    * Only by delivering a strong economy can government deliver a sustainable National Disability Insurance Scheme and better schools.

    I wholheartedly agree with (*). There you go, GD. It just shows you that when you make sensible, considered and balanced comments (instead of sweeping one-eyed rhetoric & generalities) you get a better response, see?

    (*It remains to be seen if Abbott can deliver on them, seeing the Liberals are more about increasing taxes)

  11. Ray Dixon says:

    The Abbott detractors are implying they’d prefer Gillard to lead on

    Well I don’t, Stuart. I’d prefer she goes NOW, before the election … and so do most Labor voters. Obviously the chances of that happening are about zero, thanks to Crean’s stupid pre-empting of a legitimate challenge, killing off Rudd for good. So what we’re faced with now is letting Abbott win in a cakewalk. Not to worry – give him 6 months in the job and you’ll soon see why we’re no better off.

  12. Stuart.W says:

    Spoken like a true Stalinist Ray. I remember a comment I made to you on your now defunct blog. “Who do you prefer out of Milne and Abbott”? You couldn’t even support Abbott under those circumstances, but like others of your ilk you’ll be first to accept the benefits that flow your way from decent government. Without acknoledgement.

    Off course you prefer she goes now, but your still going to vote for her! That’s to your detriment as a person Ray.

  13. Ray Dixon says:

    Um, Stuart, your claim that I’d “be first to accept the benefits” (of any govt) is as insulting as it is absurd. I work for myself – I accept and ask for no help from anyone.

    And your statement that those who vote for Gillard is to their “detriment as a person” is also highly insulting. Who one votes for is (a) not a measure of a person’s character (b) none of your business. I’ll keep my vote private, thank you.

    I see you still haven’t learnt how to be polite & respectful while debating topics on the Internet (anonymously). That says a lot about you. Some things never change, meaning … you remain an overpersonal little twerp.

    Cheers mate.

  14. Stuart.W says:

    Ray an overpersnal little twerp responds like you did to GD. You agreed with him yet still put him down. Notice though you didn’t deny preferring Milne to Abbott. That’s all one needs to know about you Ray, you remain a loser, a miserable born loser.

  15. Ray Dixon says:

    Grow up, Stuart.

  16. GD says:

    Apart from your almost sickening fawning of Tony Abbott

    How do you know it was a ‘sickening fawning of Tony Abbott’ if you didn’t watch the speech?

    It was a magnificent speech, one devoid of hyperbole and one devoid of the ‘hyberbowl’ that Joolia prefers.

    The fact that you agree with the bullet points is rather telling. At no time have Labor ever proposed such ideals, preferring instead to make the rich pay, to hand out endless welfare to solve social problems and to borrow money from overseas to pay for their misguided altruism.

    It does make sense that our next leader is Tony Abbott and not Julia Gillard. It makes sense that our next government is a Liberal government focused on common sense and not an infantile government more intent on practising what they learnt in Marxism 101 uni lectures.

    Considering that union membership has fallen to less than 18% of the population, it surely makes sense that we are no longer beholden to a government made up entirely of union representatives and union lawyers.

    The Rudd/Gillard neo-sociailst Labor ideology has failed Australia. They’ve had six years to show its worth and on all accounts they have failed miserably.

  17. Richard Ryan says:

    Memo To Ray Dixon: Pay no attention to anonymous bloggers—-these gutless wonders are the “Taliban” of the internet, who have not the guts to sign their own names. Imagine these gutless wonders have the right to breed, they should all be castrated—–at the local vet. Shalom, Richard Ryan.

  18. Richard Ryan says:

    GD,I hear is a hybrid, which is good news.

  19. Stuart.W says:

    And don’t forget Richard, Tony Abbott will never be PM of this country either!

  20. Ray Dixon says:

    How do you know it was a ‘sickening fawning of Tony Abbott’ if you didn’t watch the speech?

    Your fawning adoration of Abbott was not on TV, GD. It’s right here throughout your comments (of late). All of a sudden this bloke you have despised is the ‘bees knees’ according to your latest hommages – I wonder why that would be. Oh, there’s an election coming up so now, despite your loathing of him, he’s Prime Minister material!

    I made a mistake – I should have said “your sickening faux fawning of Tony Abbott”.

  21. Richard Ryan says:

    Tony Abbott left the Catholic seminar, because he was unable to keep his pecker in his pants, we don’t want a person like this, to be leader of this country, now do we? But at least he was not nabbed in a London public toilet, like his mate Alan Jones.

  22. Stuart.W says:

    Better to have a beer swilling womaniser like Bob Hawke running things, as long as the sinner is on your side he becomes “A bit of a lad,” Hawkey, he’s a legend eh Richard, he’s even skolled a yard glass of beer.

    Ray, regarding your reply 7.20 pm last night. The Liberal Govt benefits I refer to are the enormous feeling of freedom come Sept 15. People will rejoice spend more money and tourism will benefit. I can’t wait for the after election street parties, where joy and laughter will fill the air. They won’t only be celebrating an Abbott victory, but the death of communism. Much to your chagrin.

  23. Ray Dixon says:

    The death of communism? To my chagrin?

    Hmm, outside China I’m not sure where communism still exists. And even there, they seem to be doing pretty well, economically speaking. Mate, this is Menzies type rhetoric you’re coming out with, but I doubt Abbott will do much for our economy – to start with, his over-generous paid parental leave scheme is not exactly going to help, is it?

  24. Stuart.W says:

    True Ray, Abbott could halve his parental leave scheme and it would still be generous. I think his stance on abortion has a lot to do with it, also stay at home mums lose their baby bonus. It is an anomaly and I hope when in Govt, he has a rethink.

    Communism and socialism are much the same and we can’t deny Gillard is a devout socialist. Mate I’m over Menzies, I just wish Labor were over Stalin.

  25. Ray Dixon says:

    You will pay more tax under Abbott. More GST too. They will raise taxes and decrease services. That’s the Liberal way.

  26. Stuart.W says:

    Cut it out Ray. What about the Carbon Tax, NBN and other monumental waste. You hypothesise what Abbott may do, without mentioning what Gillard already has done!
    The Liberal way is the Australian way, just you wait and see.

  27. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    take comfort from the fact that Abbott wants to govern for more than just one term so his will be a very cautious government that won’t go bonkers no matter how big a majority it has, you won’t see precipitous changes in the GST (which needs All states to agree for any change)They will make a very big deal of keeping their promises precisely because Labor never have.

  28. Ray Dixon says:

    What about the Carbon Tax, NBN

    Yes, how will he cover the lost revenue from the carbon tax he says he will abolish?

    As for the NBN, um, the coalition is proposing to bring it in earlier so that means more $s will go in over the next 3 years than under Labor.

    The solution (and the only solution) = higher taxes. Otherwise: MASSIVE budget blowout.

  29. Stuart.W says:

    Excuse me Ray you said Abbott will be high taxing. He wants to abolish a useless do nothing tax, that means more money for business, lower power bills for consumers. That’s a win, win situation. As for your ill informed rhetoric regarding GST, play that line elsewhere, it’s the state governments who decide that, not the federal. Your political ignorance has never been so stark.

    By the way Ray higher taxes and a massive budget blow out is what we currently have. But you wouldn’t acknowledge that, because it’s the team you support that’s caused it.

  30. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    The Coalition NBN is going to cost less and be delivered sooner because it is based on fibre to the node rather than to the home, it certainly won’t be as big a drag on the government’s finances than Labor’s Rolls Royce scheme.
    As for the Carbon Tax well once you abolish it and its public service admin staff and all of the”clean energy future” nonsense we will be ahead because the tax is not bringing in the revenue that Labor expected anyway.
    Its the same story with the mining Tax once you get rid of the tax and the staff and infrastructure to administer it we will be ahead again.
    But if there is a cost blow out there will also be a much greater control of government spending so I doubt that they will suffer the Labor disease of endless and ever growing deficits

  31. Byron Webb says:

    Ray what you need to understand is that you dont bring in a tax that destroys jobs and claim that it helps the eviroment to please your Green mates that keep you in power. All recent polls are telling us that people have turned off listening to this worst goverment since federation.

  32. Richard Ryan says:

    ” worst government since federation” for f*cks sake, all this doom and gloom, who the f*ck have you been brain washed by?, You remind me of a tin of baked beans, wondering which bean caused the fart. I can smell a combination of Bolt, Blair, and Akerman, they all sing in unison from the same hymn book also. And what shits me off, they get paid for this political propaganda also—-Alan Jones hessian bags for this trio.

  33. Ray Dixon says:

    I don’t agree with the carbon tax either but it has not “destroyed jobs”, Byron. Name one. Unemployment has not increased since it came in – you need to know your facts.

    And I think it’s good that Abbott will abolish the carbon tax but I warn (nay, promise) you this:

    1. It won’t result in lower electricity prices.

    2. He’ll have to put taxes up somewhere else to compensate.

    You guys need to be careful with your exaggerated rhetoric and careful what you wish for. This is the message that the ALP will hammer home in the election campaign (at least I hope they do). :

    We have very low unemployment.
    We have very low inflation
    We have record low interest rates.

    These are FACTS. There is no way Tony Abbott can improve on these three key areas so, like I said, be careful what you wish for.

    That said, I acknowledge that the ALP will lose the election in a landslide but that is almost entirely due to the unpopularity of Julia Gillard, her knifing of Rudd and her stupid carbon tax. Abbott won’t be any better boys and won’t deliver you any joy.

  34. Stuart.W says:

    Hope you haven’t been eating any of Richard’s baked beans Ray.
    I suppose he’s comparing the “political propaganda” he mentions, to the “truth” Gillard speaks. By the way Ray we’re 20 Billion in the red and counting. Certainly not something to be wished for. Wonder where the hell all that money went.

  35. Ray Dixon says:

    Stuart, you are not “in debt’ as a result of government borrowings. You are actually better off. I know it’s too hard for you to grasp that so I won’t try to explain it to you.

  36. Stuart.W says:

    Ray, When you have a deficit of 20 billion, and are borrowing money to pay welfare. It is impossible to be better off. Your previous post is an insult to the intelligence of a primary school child. Why did Gillard promise a surplus, over 100 times if being in debt was “actually better of”.

    And please don’t you dare try explain it. Just remember your key words “In debt” and “Better off”.

    Time for a Bex and a good lie down, Ray. Now I know why you idloize Kevin Rudd so much. He walked into a 22 Billion surplus in 2007, then proceded to give it away to junkies, pokie addicts and pensioners who’d moved back to Greece.

    Goodnight Ray, hope you’re feeling better in the morning.

  37. Byron Webb says:

    Well Richard Ryan and Ray. This matter will all get sorted out on September 14th. Enjoy the night because i sure will. I had lots of respect to Labor in the Hawke – Keating years. They stood up for the workers and the unions used to represent the workers well. Now the unions are thugs and the ALP have sold themselves to the Greens and Independants to stay in office. Lets just ask the people if this the worst goverment since federation. We all know what the answer will be. Unlike you Ray, im not scared to tell people what side of the fence im on, i also take responsability for my vote.

  38. Stuart.W says:

    Careful Byron, Ray’s not well, cut him a bit of slack. This is a good site, direct links to Bolt, Blair.

  39. Ray Dixon says:

    Economics being not your strong suit, Stuart, there’s no point explaining to you (a) how no govt Labor or Coalition could run a surplus in the current climate (b) even Abbott concedes this (c) that the “debt” is not owed by you and me personally and is part of the normal up & down of fiscal reality. It is of no detrimental impact to this nation and actually was necessary to keep it liquid.

    Although I agree that Gillard was a fool to promise a surplus, but she’s just out of her depth and only said that to sound responsible.

    Byron, I don’t care who you vote for and I’ve certainly not been afraid to say which side of politics I generally sit on. The difference is I’m just not as one-eyed and full of party rhetoric & slogans as you are mate. I think for myself and, quite frankly, this time I think I’ll vote independent. A difficult choice on where to put my preference though – I mean, even Stuart admits he wouldn’t preference Sophie anywhere but last.

  40. GD says:

    even Abbott concedes that the “debt” is not owed by you and me personally and is part of the normal up & down of fiscal reality.

    You have a link for that don’t you? Otherwise it would just be hearsay or rhetoric.

    I’m just not as one-eyed and full of party rhetoric & slogans as you are mate

    Oh come on Ray, you can’t say that with a straight face.

    We have very low unemployment. We have very low inflation. We have record low interest rates.

    None of which are due to Labor. Try instead the mining boom and Australia’s strong ties to China.

    We had a healthy economy before Labor took the wrecking ball to Australia.

    Rudd inherited a viable economy and a surplus beyond belief. With that he splashed the cash, all in the name of the GFC, on any item that would appeal to the lowest common denominator. He gave people on low incomes $900 to help with a GFC that most of them had only heard of on ‘A Current Affair’. Their welfare payments and grocery prices hadn’t changed, it was just that Kevvie was slinging them a cool $900 to go shopping with.

    Gerry Harvey acknowledged this, saying that it boosted his company’s returns, but after a month it was back to normal. Given that almost all of the purchases made were from China, it doesn’t take much to see where Kevvie’s cash splash went.

    Continuing his Milky Bar Kid crusade, Kevvie unleashed his next initiative, the pinks batts scheme and who better than ‘beds are burning’ Peter Garret to carry it out. Unfortunately life imitated art and people died as a result of Rudd’s knee-jerk idea.

    One good reason why rational economic thinkers favour scaling back the size and role of national governments is that centralised bureaucracies are singularly ill-suited to overseeing efficient service delivery. This was always apparent in the Rudd government’s pink batts debacle, which came about primarily through Kevin Rudd’s mistaken desire to govern like a federal premier obsessed with micro-managing the minutiae of community service delivery rather than a prime minister engaged in major, long-term nation-building and economic reform.

    Rudd still lookin’ good, Ray?

    Kevvie then went on to open our borders to all and sundry, yet at the same time pretending he was being tough on asylum seekers. We know where that has led. The influx of so-called ‘asylum seekers’ began under his incumbency and has grown exponentially under Gillard’s redundancy to over three thousand a month.

    The cost of processing these queue jumpers in enormous, as is the cost of keeping them in the community. Pity about the real refugees waiting in UN camps for settlement isn’t it?

    But Labor always knows best. As you do Ray, and I’m sure you’ll direct your independent voting preferences straight back to Labor.

  41. Stuart.W says:

    Hate to gang up on you Ray, however that was a comprehensive win on points to GD.

    As for Sophie, yes I was critical of her canning of 500 abbatoir jobs, and as a constituent would probably support that project. One thing for sure is the Greens wouldn’t support it. I mean those loopy commies you prefer to Abbott, if it were a two horse race.

    I get the feeling your left leaning isn’t so much belief driven. It’s born of an unhealthy hatred for Conservatism.

    That makes your political opinion unfit for human consumption.

  42. Ray Dixon says:

    Just briefly, GD (I don’t need a lot of words to rebutt most of your long-winded rhetoric):

    1. It was actually said by Joe Hockey last week, that the coalition would not be able to bring in a surplus, not even next year. He couldn’t say exactly when they would. It was on TV – I don’t have a link, but why don’t you ask him?

    2. When have I ever used party rhetoric or slogans? You (and especially Stuart) seem to quote from the Liberal script of bullshit. I’m not a “rusted-on” like you are and I’m honest in my opinions.

    3. The mining industry has not kept unemployment down. It’s not a major employer. It’s been important to our export economy but not to our domestic economy, where most people work. Anyway, what’s your point? The Liberals are not responsible for the mining boom either.

    4. As for Rudd’s stimulus, you should be thanking f*ck for it, GD – otherwise you’d be busking in the streets for acouple of bob here, a dollar there. Yes, Rudd still looks good and your argument that Labor ‘mismanaged’ the economy and the GFC is at odds with nearly every economist in the world.

    5. Not interested in your mean-hearted bleating over asylum seekers either, GD. Here’s my answer to your complaints about them: So f*cking what? It is not the problem you make it out to be.

    Stuart, when you can learn to debate wihout playing the man and when you’ve got something to add rather than just being a cheerleader from the sidelines a la Joffa, I’ll engage you.

  43. Stuart.W says:

    But it’s OK to play the man with a little Joffa jibe. Hypocrite!

    Point 5 on your pevious warble. “So f*cking what it is not the problem you make it out to be”. It sure is Ray, these “arrivals” destroy their passports on landing, that means they’ve got something to hide. They cost billions to process, house and feed (don’t forget a new plazma). The dole is granted from day one, and according to centrelink figures 90% will be on it for life. (Source Andrew Bolt).

    This what to expect from somone who says “Debt is actually good”. You’ll never get the chance to “engage” me in economic dicussion Ray. Your words force me to troll the inner most putrid depths of Leftism, to try and fathom your logic. It’s a horrible murky place to go, albeit only briefly.

  44. Ray Dixon says:

    Stuart, you are just talking nonsense and there’s no point responding in full to someone who doesn’t even understand that debt is an economic driving force all over the world and even in the largest corporations. Without private & public debt the economy and the nation stops.

    And the Joffa analogy is relevant because you are being like a one-eyed supporter rather than a player. If it hurt your anonymous feelings to be likened to Joffa I suggest you just harden up.

    Now if you can try to be more subjective and less insulting I’ll play ball with you, but if this is all you’ve got, see you later.

  45. Stuart.W says:

    Still don’t get it do you. The Joffa “analogy” was an example of you playing the man, while pointing out I shouldn’t. I agree you shouldn’t reply to my posts, I despise that murky place your comments lead to.

    Don’t ever infer debt is better than surplus, it just doesn’t hold water!

  46. Ray Dixon says:

    Stuart, stop being petty. You don’t present cogent arguments and (now) you even take offence at being likened to a cheer squad leader for your obvious “barracking” for your side. Your arguments are over-simplified and as shallow as they come. I don’t see everything the Labor govt does as right and you know that, yet you carry on like I’m some raving, looney leftist, when it’s you who is the extremist here. Message: I’m a pragmatic business person who sees good & bad on both sides of politics. You’re obviously not one. And you don’t see the whole picture. You are blinkered.

  47. Byron Webb says:

    Oh no Ray. Your grammer is discusting. Your loosing again. Dont you remember the 22 billion that was left by the Coalition in 2007. If this was not the case, The Labor Green Independant goverment would have had nothing to spend. Dont tell me the Coalition had it easy while in Goverment like the past because you know its not the case. Cheer up Ray there is a change in the air and we will be lots better off.

  48. Ray Dixon says:

    Your grammer is discusting

    And your spelling is …. ?

  49. GD says:

    that was a comprehensive win on points to GD

    Thanks, Stuart.

    I don’t need a lot of words to rebutt most of your long-winded rhetoric

    Ray, it wasn’t rhetoric, it was facts supported by references. If you’d like more references I can provide them.

    Now to your errors:

    you reckoned:

    even Abbott concedes that the “debt” is not owed by you and me personally and is part of the normal up & down of fiscal reality.

    I asked for a link and this is what you gave me:

    It was actually said by Joe Hockey last week, that the coalition would not be able to bring in a surplus, not even next year. He couldn’t say exactly when they would.

    That’s because Labor’s debt has blown out to historically massive proportions and no government can pay that back in one year. How is that ‘conceding’ that the debt isn’t owed by you and me? Try asking your grandchildren that one. And btw you couldn’t provide a link for that assertion either. So when you claimed that Abbott conceded the debt, he didn’t, did he? And neither did Joe Hockey.

    Ray argued with Stuart:

    there’s no point explaining to you…how no govt Labor or Coalition could run a surplus in the current climate

    Based on previous record, the Liberals would have managed the past six years with far greater prudence and acumen than this spendthrift bunch of unionists parading as a Labor Government.

    But wait there’s more from Ray:

    And I think it’s good that Abbott will abolish the carbon tax but I warn (nay, promise) you this, he’ll have to put up taxes somewhere else to compensate

    Ray, Iain and I have repeatedly written on this blog that by merely eradicating the useless green schemes, the Coalition will have more than enough to compensate for the loss of the carbon tax. Tony Abbott stated this emphatically in his budget reply, much to the chagrin of the Labor front bench, squirming in their seats wishing they could be somewhere else. So much for their day in Parliament ‘high-fiving’ each other on the passing of the carbon tax bill.

    Priceless.

  50. Stuart.W says:

    No Ray wrong again I’m not the sightest bit offended at Joffa, Point out where I said I was. You see good and bad in both sides?

    I’ve never seen a good report on consevatives from you yet. Don’t forget Ray you prefer Milne to Abbott! I know the game your playing, you declare neutrality then tick all the boxes a lefty would, claiming that to be normal.

    That doesn’t cut mustard Ray. You’re “heist by you own petard”, your written words expose you.

  51. Ray Dixon says:

    I don’t “prefer Milne to Abbott”, Stuart, and I’ve never said I do. I have made it absolutely clear here for years now that I have no respect for the Greens.

    And I am not “playing a game”, especially not with you. I have no interest in your extreme, simplistic and, quite frankly, childish comments and insinuations. You seem to think that anyone to the “left” of your extreme right-wing (and ridiculous) opinions is a “leftist”. Well get this clear:

    I am not a “leftist” and just because I tend to support the ALP does not make me one.

    Now leave me alone will you? I’m sick of your sniping. You’re a little twerp who landed on my old blog one day like a bad disease. Keep up your Joffa-style barracking for the coalition and your support of another extreme right winger here in GD if you wish, I don’t care. Just leave me out of your commentary and I’ll do likewise. Okay?

  52. GD says:

    another extreme right winger here in GD

    Ray you should get out more, take your fingers out of your ears and stop believing that we are still living in the Whitlam years. It didn’t work then, it won’t work now. Hawke proved that in a positive way. Rudd/Gillard have proved it in a negative way.

  53. Ray Dixon says:

    Um, GD, I’m well aware that it’s 40 years since the Whitlam era. That type of analogy is just another example of the way you argue, by polarising those who disagree with you. It’s another example of your extreme approach to debate and politics.

  54. Byron Webb says:

    Ray what you dont understand is that you cant make the rules up and not play by them. How many people would have voted Labor at the last Federal election if they had known they were going to govern with the support of the Greens. You cant distance yourself from the Greens Ray because you formed a coalition with them. You have to live with that Ray. There is no such thing as an independant, your on one side of the fence or the other. Unlike yourself, i aint affraid to voice who i support and take responsability for my actions. Grow up and quit your foul language Ray. You sound like a looser or have you lost already? I know your Labor _ Green mates will loose.

  55. Ray Dixon says:

    Byron, you seem to think that I am personally responsible for the current ALP govt. Here’s some news: I’m no more responsible for them than you are for the coalition.

    And there certainly are independents – including one who sided with Abbott, or don’t you count Katter?

    As for the minority govt, the fact is Tony Abbott would have formed one in a heartbeat if the Greens & Independents had supported him. So maybe just stop being such a simple one-eyed barracker for your side and stop insulting those who don’t agree that the coaltion would be any better than what we now have.

    Btw, what foul language are you talking about? Oh, I said “so f*cking what” to GD? Well … so f*cking what?

  56. GD says:

    It’s another example of your extreme approach to debate and politics.

    Thanks Ray for the recent tips from your ‘Debating Politics with a Rusted On Labor Voter 101’.

    I look forward to buying the whole program. From the looks of it, I’ll learn to deny reality, defy logic and agree with whatever the Left has to say about society and politics.

  57. Byron Webb says:

    I will just agree with what you sat Ray. How does that sound?

  58. Richard Ryan says:

    I bet GD is one of these!—-“fuck you I am alright jack”

  59. Ray Dixon says:

    You don’t have to agree with what I say, Byron, and I’d prefer you didn’t. Just cut out the over-personal & insulting style (like in your previous comment) and we’ll get on fine.

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