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‘‘There are a lot of people down,’’ said one man, whose bib No.17528 identified him as Frank Deruyter of North Carolina. He was not injured, but marathon workers were carrying one woman, who did not appear to be a runner, to the medical area as blood gushed from her leg. Phil Kirkpatrick, a 59-year-old from Nashville with blood on his jeans and shoes, said he was watching his girlfriend race when the explosions went off. ‘‘I was standing just there and something blew up on the street,’’ he said. ‘‘There was a large explosion and a white flash. It blew us all back onto each other. It was so loud, I still can’t hear out of my right ear. I was crawling on the sidewalk, and my cell phone blew out of my hand. There were some really hurt people.’’ He was taken a medical tent, and saw a man with his foot blown off. (click for source)

‘‘There are a lot of people down,’’ said one man, whose bib No.17528 identified him as Frank Deruyter of North Carolina.
He was not injured, but marathon workers were carrying one woman, who did not appear to be a runner, to the medical area as blood gushed from her leg.
Phil Kirkpatrick, a 59-year-old from Nashville with blood on his jeans and shoes, said he was watching his girlfriend race when the explosions went off.
‘‘I was standing just there and something blew up on the street,’’ he said. ‘‘There was a large explosion and a white flash. It blew us all back onto each other. It was so loud, I still can’t hear out of my right ear. I was crawling on the sidewalk, and my cell phone blew out of my hand. There were some really hurt people.’’
He was taken a medical tent, and saw a man with his foot blown off.
(click for source)

Either its Gun rights nutters or its people killing in the name of you know who.
Shocked Comrades

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in solidarity to the injured and grieving.

 

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104 Comments

  1. Imran Khan says:

    Oh God, those poor people. Reaching overload on homicidal maniacs for one week.

    ….One of my more liberal friends instantly remarks ominously that Boston is original home of the TEA PARTY. I think, the world is full of fools and homicidal maniacs. Or rather, people suck.

  2. Richard Ryan says:

    Boston Tea Party? They do it better in Iraq, the ghoulish media don’t cover that do they? The war on terrorism is a myth. Boston is a beautiful city, so was Bagdad.

  3. Richard Ryan says:

    Victims of bomb attacks in Boston are more media important then victims in Bagdad. Will our government issue travel warnings to the USA, like they do to Bali,? no they won’t

  4. Iain Hall says:

    Richard
    do you have to be so predictably obnoxious?

  5. Richard Ryan says:

    Iain Just stating the facts, rich white people are more important to the ghoulish media, then the downtrodden victims of Iraq, in the seven cities that suffered attacks overnight.

  6. Iain Hall says:

    Richard
    it is entirely natural that we should feel more empathy for people who are more like us, who share the same language and culture when they are attacked.
    As for Iraq its more the fault of the pernicious religion and tribal rivalries that hold sway there than the war.
    Now you have had your chance to sprout you usual slogans so I will delete any further mention of Iraq from you in this thread.

  7. Richard Ryan says:

    Twin Towers gone–now twin blasts at Boston, all on Patriot holiday. Planned inside attack I would say, to get world wide media coverage.

  8. Iain Hall says:

    Hmm slightly less obnoxious, Are you a “911 truther” by any chance Richard?

  9. Richard Ryan says:

    No comment yet, from our beloved former war Prime Minister, John Winston Howard!

  10. Richard Ryan says:

    Off- Topic. National Day Israel today.

  11. Craigy says:

    “it is entirely natural that we should feel more empathy for people who are more like us, who share the same language and culture when they are attacked.”

    No it isn’t Iain. People with a normal sense of compassion and empathy feel equally sad when anyone’s life is lost to unnecessary violence….

    Those feelings you talk about are entirely natural only to xenophobes and racists.

  12. Craigy says:

    Oh and BTW, weren’t those ‘gun rights nutters’ your friends for many years, you remember your support for Keith and all the ‘gun nutters’ at ‘A Western Heart’…..Or have you changed your view about your support for violent fringe nutters like them…

  13. deknarf says:

    “it is entirely natural that we should feel more empathy for people who are more like us, who share the same language and culture when they are attacked.”
    Hmm? Now that IS food for thought!

  14. Iain Hall says:

    Oh and BTW, weren’t those ‘gun rights nutters’ your friends for many years,

    It has been literally years since I have had any contact with any of those guys and in any event I have never endorsed their views on gun ownership or their adoption of so many US political tropes.

  15. Iain Hall says:

    Deknarf
    can I use an allegory to explain what I mean?
    Imagine if you will that two people are in front of you and they both face a deadly peril yet you can only save one of them. One is your child or loved-one and the other is someone who is unknown to you.
    Which would you save?
    Now lets extrapolate that a little further and make the two that you have to choose between your neighbour who is your friend and a stranger who is both unknown to you.
    Who would you choose to save?
    Take it a step further and make those that you have to choose between a fellow Australian and a foreigner of an entirely different ethnicity and cultural background to you.
    Who would you save?
    In each of my examples you have an equal chance of saving either person and they are as socially
    and demographically equal as can be imagined (same age and gender ect)

    Now I know that I was originally talking a bout sympathy and compassion but surely that is driven by the same reasoning and empathy that would drive the decisions in each of my examples above.

  16. Craigy says:

    “It has been literally years since I have had any contact with any of those guys and in any event I have never endorsed their views on gun ownership or their adoption of so many US political tropes.”

    I’m not sure Iain, some of your annon friends here sound very much like MK and Keith…Are you saying that MK and Keith are right wing extremists now Iain? That would be a change as they were your best mates who could say no wrong for a long time….hmmmmm…

  17. Craigy says:

    “Imagine if you will that two people are in front of you and they both face a deadly peril yet you can only save one of them. One is your child or loved-one and the other is someone who is unknown to you.
    Which would you save?”

    You would do your best to save both, a parent would be inclined to save their child first though, as you have invested much in your kids and you have a duty to put them first.

    “Now lets extrapolate that a little further and make the two that you have to choose between your neighbour who is your friend and a stranger who is both unknown to you.
    Who would you choose to save?”

    Both, with no distinction.

    Take it a step further and make those that you have to choose between a fellow Australian and a foreigner of an entirely different ethnicity and cultural background to you.
    Who would you save?

    I’ll rephrase that for you Iain;

    Take it a step further and make those that you have to choose between a white Australian and a black foreigner of an entirely different ethnicity and cultural background to you.
    Who would you save?

    You would save the white guy….I, and all decent people would see no difference at all….

    Look, I don’t think you are a racist Iain, but views like this ARE racist in the extreme….

  18. Craigy says:

    Just one more point Iain, I actually had to make a decision not that far away from the scenarios you paint above…..And I can tell you is, you will do anything to save as many people as you can, and often you have to leave your friends behind to save yourself and others……You don’t think about how well you know them at that point you just wish you could do something for everyone….Unfortunately, it doesn’t always work out that way…

  19. Iain Hall says:

    No craigy you can’t choose both in any of the examples just to clarify if you try to save both they will both die

  20. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    I don’t deny that we all would try to save as many people as as we can but that is not my point, my point is that conscious or unconsciously we would mostly make choices to save the familiar over the different if it was an unambiguous either or situation and I don’t accept that there is anything “racist or xenophobic” in that part of our nature.

  21. Craigy says:

    You’re just making excuses Iain, your family example is not the same as two strangers or near strangers and I would never put one person in front of another just because they have white skin, as you would….Skin colour doesn’t make me feel someone is more like me…

    Why does the colour of someones skin matter to you Iain, are white English people more important in your world?

  22. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    I’m sure that a black man would have the same preference for the familiar rather than the different. Its just not an issue of race AT ALL.

    Read about it in this PDF

  23. Richard Ryan says:

    skin colour? The British Empire was founded on racism, theft, murder—-

  24. Iain Hall says:

    As Empires go the British Empire was in every way superior to any other, but then you have trouble with the truth don’t you Richard?

  25. Richard Ryan says:

    The Roman Empire was better,it taught the English hygiene.

  26. cornlegend says:

    feel really sorry for those injured and killed in Boston.
    ABC have covered it non stop.
    Today 50 killed 300 injured in Iraq.
    hardly a mention.
    Are americans worth more ?

  27. Iain Hall says:

    Corn legend
    News is as much about the unusual as it is about the raw data and sadly Jihadists killing their fellow Iraqis is hardly news because it is sadly all too common.

  28. Richard Ryan says:

    But the war is over in Iraq, Andrew Bolt told me that.

  29. Simon says:

    What no one seems to be commenting on is the target and the action. Yes violence is violence and terrible things are happening all the time that don’t get the luxury of world wide coverage and outrage, but it was a Marathon!

    The Marathon is one of those few modern symbols that transcends gender, race, religion, nation or able-bodiedness. It’s completion is an achievement and a recognition more of willpower and determination.

    And if there was any doubt to the low-life nature of whom ever is responsible, they targeted the supporters and loved ones of the third-wave of runners. The everyday people.

  30. deknarf says:

    Indeed! Let’s continue the allegory.
    These people live in our country but they are different to us! They practice a different religion, they lend money at usurious rates, they own all the shops, they don’t mix and only breed within their group. They are different to us, not as pure as us, they are, in reality, sub-human and tainting our racial purity. But we have a solution to rid ourselves of such people! The final solution!!
    Is that not a logical continuation of your allegory?

  31. Richard Ryan says:

    Travel Alert—Aussies fleeing America!

  32. Iain Hall says:

    Yes Simon
    we should never ignore or dismiss the symbolism in the date and choice of targets in such acts. Which I why I personally suspect that this may be the act of a Jihadist rather than the sort of thing done by McVeigh whose ilk usually want targets that are unambiguously associated with the federal government.

    Deknarf

    You know what if I had to chose between a lefty that I knew(like your own good self) and a capitalist who was unfamiliar to me you and I would soon be sharing a cup of tea and counting our blessings

  33. Iain Hall says:

    Richard
    years ago Sydney based friend of mine gave me the simple advice that when in a strange city try to blend in and to walk the streets like you won them. The reasons that Westerners travelling in the third world are at risk is precisely because they can’t be anonymous on the streets of those unfamiliar cities where they are either seen as a milch cow or a good target. that does not apply to Aussies in most of the USA

  34. Richard Ryan says:

    Of course it is Terrorism, when you see people fleeing in terror, in all directions, like death, terrorism strikes, when at least expected. Our friend Murdoch will find the culprit, his newspaper has already pointed the finger at some Saudi guy.

  35. GD says:

    Richard parroted:

    Just stating the facts, rich white people are more important to the ghoulish media, then the downtrodden victims of Iraq, in the seven cities that suffered attacks overnight.

    Glad to see you were watching Virginia Trioli on the ABC yesterday, seeing as it was her phrase and argument that it was ‘rich white people’ who get more media attention than the waring hordes in the Middle East.

    Perhaps you can tell her next time you’re talking to her that it’s a natural reaction be more concerned about people who are closer to you and closer to home. I’m sure your ragheads blowing the crap out of each other in the souk would agree with this. They don’t give a rat’s arse about the welfare of anyone from the west, least of all you.

    Far from being ‘rich white people’, the Boston Marathon annually attracts runners and spectators from across the globe. Why leftists don’t see this is beyond me. It is an international event.

    The first three placegetters were from Ethiopia. Black men, brown men. Other runners in the top echelon were from Kenya. Hardly ‘rich white people’.

    One hundred and fifty three of the runners, along with their supporters were from Australia.

    There would be many people in Australia today anguishing over news of their friends, relatives and colleagues.

    And all mealy mouthed Richard Ryan and vindictive Victoria Trioli can do is wonder why we don’t pay more attention to the Sunnis and Shiites blowing each other up yet again.

  36. Richard Ryan says:

    Really GD— the yellow belly coward who won’t put is name to his blogs, coz it would effect it would effect his music job, is that not so little rich white person? ” rich white people” what a little gem that little quote is, knew that would get a bite, all spewing over on Bolt’s blog of bile on that little gem. Now sweetheart! Terrorism and War are common in a lot of ways, those who suffer most are the innocent and the defenceless, ok little rich white person—without a name. Trioli makes sense, unlike you, with your warped racist views

  37. Iain Hall says:

    Your problem Richard is that you are so caught up in far left ideology that you have a horribly skewed concept of just who is “innocent and defenceless” frankly how anyone could think that the eight year old boy or any of the other civilians killed or maimed in Boston are anything but “innocent and defenceless” is beyond me. Its one of the reasons that I find apologists for the Jihadists so disgusting. This was an atrocity intended to kill civilians and your attempts to use moral relativism are most offensive.

    Further any whines about GD’s use of a screen name will be deleted His identity is known to me and I fully respect his choice of public image here.

  38. Richard Ryan says:

    Iain. SO no innocent people are killed in wars?.

  39. Richard Ryan says:

    Only innocent Westeners may I add.

  40. Richard Ryan says:

    “America’s violence is as American as apple pie”

  41. Iain Hall says:

    Richard
    All death and injury visited upon the innocent is bad , no one least of all me thinks otherwise but instead of addressing the particular event in question you have to keep beating out the same tired and dull tune you always sing. It does you no credit and makes you look silly.
    Your compassion for the dead in Iraq is admirable but rather misguided if you think that any sane reader will want to get involved with the nasty tribal warfare between Shia and Sunni in Iraq, a conflict that pre-dates The most recent war there by hundreds of years and one for which you can’t really blame the Yanks as you so want to do. You are just going to have to admit that the USA is NOT the cause of every woe on the planet. They are not total innocents by any measure but then when it comes to any sane view of history its impossible to find any player who has entirely clean hands.

  42. Craigy says:

    “All death and injury visited upon the innocent is bad , no one least of all me thinks otherwise”

    Your friend does Iain….

    “I’m sure your ragheads blowing the crap out of each other in the souk would agree with this.They don’t give a rat’s arse about the welfare of anyone from the west, least of all you.”

    GD, that has to be the most racist generalisation I have had to read here at Iain’s blog, you should be deeply ashamed. This is why Australia is still considered racist by many around the world. It is also why I won’t engage with you any more after giving it a second try….

  43. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    Apart from the epithet “rag heads” I fail to see how observing that warring tribes/sects also hate us is racist.

  44. Richard Ryan says:

    OH THOSE “rich white people”

  45. Richard Ryan says:

    Is GD racist? I thought he was colour blind.

  46. Craigy says:

    Of course Iain, none of your ‘friends’ are racist Iain, just a bit colourful in their language…..what utter Bullshi*t…. And accusing every person in Iraq of ‘not giving a rats arse’ couldn’t possibly be unreasonable….It’s gotta be true if your ‘friend’ said so……again, utter bullsh*t….I’m going to take a shower….The guy is a dirt bag and your support of him says a lot about you and your claim to be reasonable and moderate….

    GD and his views would sit very nicely with Keith and MK at AWH, so not much has changed at all….

  47. Ray Dixon says:

    I’m going to take a shower …. The guy is a dirt bag and your support of him says a lot about you and your claim to be reasonable and moderate

    I suggest you make it a cold shower then, Craigy. Iain let’s you get away with a lot too.

  48. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    GD may lack some of the airs and graces in what he says but I still fail to see how recognising the simple fact that Iraqis are hardly likely to have much affection for westerners is denigrating Iraqis any more than suggesting that they have very little love for the Kurds .
    You see I am reasonable and moderate but I’m also a realist who does not see any group of people having any more innate virtue than any other, thus its reasonable to think that if we have people among our number who hate outsiders then it is very likely that such people are just as common amongst the other people of the world. Sadly I suspect that you really believe that “racism” is a sin that only white people can commit when the truth is that anyone of any ethnicity can believe their group is supreme and that all others are lesser human beings.In our culture we nurture the virtuous idea that all people are equal in their humanity and I think that you consider such an idea to be universal. Sorry to bust your balloon but that is just not the case at all, especially when it comes to the followers of Islam. They are taught that Muslims are in every way superior to all unbelievers and that the Jew is the lowest of the low. Thus its very likely that they will not have the warm and cuddly feelings about us that you imagine.

  49. Craigy says:

    Iain, your suspicions about my views are 100% wrong…I am opposed to all racists and their views…..

    How is is right for you to guess my views and then comment on them, it just makes you look even more silly…

    Ray, if calling out a dirt bag racist, who doesn’t even deny it, is ‘getting away with a lot’, then I’m happy with that…..Anyway, my comments at this site and my attitude to others has always been a mile better than your behaviour, so I take your comment with a grain of salt….

    It is sad to see that Iain is happy to support offensive racists….

  50. Iain Hall says:

    http://skepticlawyer.ozblogistan.com.au/2013/04/16/you-are-correct-westerners-care-more-about-boston-than-baghdad-guest-post-by-jacques-chester/

    Iain, your suspicions about my views are 100% wrong…I am opposed to all racists and their views…..

    Craigy you and I have been arguing about all sorts of things over the years which does give me some idea about the way that you think and if you say that you “oppose all racists” I’m willing to take that at face value but that was not really my point. I have been trying to explain that I believe that all ethnicities have their faults and misconceptions about their own group being in some way superior to other human beings. All are equally “Racist” in your very broad and unforgiving terms. Frankly by having such a broad definition of “racism” you do your own case more harm than good because you are so keen to denounce any who criticise people from other cultures that all you end up doing is effectively shutting down debate of the substantive issues.

    How is is right for you to guess my views and then comment on them, it just makes you look even more silly…

    We have known each other for how long now? seven or eight years by my reckoning which means we probabnly know each other better than many siblings do.

    Ray, if calling out a dirt bag racist, who doesn’t even deny it, is ‘getting away with a lot’, then I’m happy with that…..Anyway, my comments at this site and my attitude to others has always been a mile better than your behaviour, so I take your comment with a grain of salt….

    We all have lapses in graciousness Craigy and you are no exception.

    It is sad to see that Iain is happy to support offensive racists….

    I would be willing to allow Satan himself to comment here when it comes down to the crunch as long as he was willing to be civil to the other authors and commentators It would not mean that I am endorsing the dark lord or the work of any of his minions, its just that I think that participation in debate should be as open as possible.

  51. Ray Dixon says:

    Take it any way you like, Craigy, but your suggestion that GD’s comment reflects on anyone but GD is nonsense. I’ve called GD on his racist views more times than anyone here but just because they’re allowed to be made doesn’t mean Iain or anyone else here supports them.

    What do you want, censorship? As much as it grates, I reckon GD is entitled to be a racist if that’s how he wants to be seen. And you and I are entitled to condemn him for it … as we should. But if Iain censors him (as you seem to want) then you and I (and all right-thinking people) are denied the opportunity of setting him straight.

    As for your behaviour being “better” than mine, please … that sounds so childish. Oh well, when you turn 50 – soon I believe – you might finally become an adult. Cheers.

  52. GD says:

    Racist?

    No, gentlemen, that’s not what I am.

    I am merely calling out murderous atrocity where I see it. Had this discussion taken place a few decades earlier I would have said the same about the hothead religious factions in Ireland blowing the shit out of each other. Then, instead of Shiites and Sunnis, it was Catholics and Protestants killing each other and innocent civilians. Same thing.

    The only difference is that I am of Irish descent. Would you accuse me of being racist for criticising my own heritage? 🙂

    The ‘racist’ epithet is bandied around by leftists to shut down any debate, conversation or criticism of their rose-coloured view of the world.

    Similarly, thanks to Gillard, the ‘misogyny’ epithet is now used to shame any male who criticises a woman in the workplace.

    Racist?

    No, gentlemen, I am not a racist. I don’t hate people based on their ethnicity or colour of their skin. However, I hate the actions of people who murder or maim others because they don’t agree with their twisted world view. I also hate the Islamic ideology that is violently encouraging the establishment of a world-wide caliphate.

    And I hate that Muslims who emigrated here years ago or were born here, are now returning to fight for Taliban terrorists.

    Perhaps leftards should grow a pair and fight the real enemy instead of shooting at quixotic racists and misogynists.

  53. Richard Ryan says:

    AND Zionists go back and fight for Israel—–oh-oh Richard you can’t say that.

  54. Richard Ryan says:

    IS a Zionist a racist?

  55. Iain Hall says:

    Richard
    don’t you lefties keep insisting that attacking Zionism is not about Racist anti-Semitism?

    You can’t have it both ways mate.

  56. Ray Dixon says:

    The only difference between what you just said and what the racist Pauline Hanson says, GD, is you explain your “I’m not a racist” mantra more eloquently. Please explain.

  57. Craigy says:

    No Ray, I have never suggested Gig Diary be censored….far from it…..seems you’ve got Iains disease of putting words in my mouth…..As for being childish in your eyes, well I don’t have a pretend pig sockpuppet but I guess that’s what older more mature folk like you do. Perhaps I’ll understand how ‘grown-up’ that was when I turn 50….till then I’ll leave that to you….Cheers.

  58. Richard Ryan says:

    GD! “Please explain” I’m not a racist, I just hate Muslims.

  59. Ray Dixon says:

    Craigy, you certainly admonished Iain for allowing GD’s racist comments. Your comeback now is, quite frankly, pathetic. As for SP, the parody character (who did no harm to anyone and was just a bit of fun) was retired nearly 2 years ago. There’s a fully chronicled archive of his posts under the one post if you care to find it. Your retort is just plain weird, mate.

  60. GD says:

    I do miss that pig. 🙂 Must check out those archives.

  61. Simon says:

    Suspects are 19 and 20 year old brothers from an area in Russia near Chechnya. One dead, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev still an large.

  62. Richard Ryan says:

    Americans without their firearms would be like a Bull without a penis. America needs its guns for a future revolution. And I support gun ownership.

  63. GD says:

    You are a sick f*ck, Richard.

  64. GD says:

    Simon quoted:

    Suspects are 19 and 20 year old brothers from an area in Russia near Chechnya. One dead, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev still at large.

    This will set the cat among the pigeons, given that the left have intimated that it was right-wing extremists and the right are portrayed as hoping it’s islamic terrorists.

    As New York Post writer Robert A George said,

    “To keep both sides…in good spirits: Yes, RW-ers, many Chechens are Muslim. Yes, LW-ers, many Chechens are white.”

    He used the twitter hashtag

    #now shutup

    Probably not bad advice.

  65. Richard Ryan says:

    I like it some balance here—left-right-left-right

  66. Iain Hall says:

    One down and one to go and you certainly can’t fault the yanks for the seriousness of their efforts to catch the scum-bag.

  67. Richard Ryan says:

    6000 or more gunmen against one white boy?—–

  68. Richard Ryan says:

    ‘No wonder the injuns got sent off to the happy hunting grounds along with the bison they shot in the thousands for sport, yeah f*ck the white man.

  69. Iain Hall says:

    So that must make you a self loathing whitefella eh Richard?

  70. Iain Hall says:

    from the Guardian:


    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing, is being hunted by police in the suburb of Watertown. Photograph: AFP/Getty Images

    As the massive manhunt for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev continued on Friday, details of the younger of the two suspects in the Boston marathon blast began to emerge. According to a former classmate, he was “a sweet guy”; a neighbour said he was a “lovely, lovely kid”.

    The 19-year-old, who is thought to have carried out the Boston marathon bomb with his older brother, was described by friends and family as very different to the 26-year-old Tamerlan. Where Tamerlan is reported to have told people that he didn’t have a “single American friend”, Dzhokhar was portrayed as a sociable member of his school community.

    Rebecca Mazur, who studied with Dzhokhar at the Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, told Buzzfeed that he was “a sweet sort of guy”. “He was a familiar part of the community, he didn’t isolate himself,” Mazur said. Likewise, a neighbour to the suspect said there was seemingly no indication of anything wrong. Larry Aaronson told CNN: “He was a lovely, lovely kid. He was a wonderful kid … he was never in trouble.”

    Aaronson said Dzhokhar was pleased to have put his past in the troubled North Caucasus behind him. “He was so grateful to be here and to be in school and so grateful to be accepted,” he said. The brothers’ uncle, Ruslan Tsarnaev, said on Friday that Dzhokhar was born in Dagestan. One report, in the Wall Street Journal, claimed the two brothers had come to the US separately, one in 2002 and one in 2004.

    According to Tsarnaev’s account on the Russian social networking site VKontakte, he attended School No 1 in the Russian town of Makhachkala from 1999 to 2001. An acquaintance from high school told the Guardian that Tsarnaev appeared to be a “very relaxed” person, in contrast to his brother. At Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, he was remembered as a keen wrestler and a sociable student. Online pictures show a smiling Dzhokhtar apparently at his school prom.

    Those who remember him at the school suggest he was well integrated in its diverse community. “[Dzhokhar] wasn’t ‘them’. He was ‘us’. He was Cambridge,” Andrea Kramer – whose son studied with Dzhokhar – told the Wall Street Journal.

    Tsarnaev appears to have been a good student, apparently receiving a $2,500 scholarship from the city of Cambridge in 2011, to pursue a college education. He was named a wrestling all-star at his high school in the same year. On his VKontakte page, Dzhokhar says he considers “career and money” most important in life.

    The page says Dzhokhar speaks English, Russian and Chechen, and belongs to a number of groups devoted to Chechnya. He was born on 22 July 1993, just before a fierce battle for independence broke out in the republic of Chechnya, which attempted to secede from Russia in the wake of the Soviet Union’s collapse. Over time, the independence movement grew increasingly Islamist in character.

    On his VKontakte page, Dzhokhar lists his world view as “Islam” and follows several pages devoted to the topic. He also lists one of his favourite songs as Hey Sexy Lady, by Shaggy.

    Dzhokhar’s father would not accept Friday that his younger son was involved in the crimes he is said to have carried out. Anzor Tsarnaev told the Associated Press his son was a smart and accomplished young man. Speaking from Makhachkala, the capital of Dagestan, he said: “My son is a true angel. Dzhokhar is a second-year medical student in the US. He is such an intelligent boy. We expected him to come on holidays here.”

    Looks like I was right after all to imply it is all about Jihad

    Bolta lays out the evidence of a Jihadist motive

  71. Richard Ryan says:

    Will they ban pressure cookers in the USA? giggle goggle, now that 80% of the yanks wanted to have a pow-wow on gun control.

  72. Iain Hall says:

    Your apparent delight at this atrocity does not do anything for your image Richard, in fact it makes you look very bad indeed.

    Read the evidence (from Bolta)

    This, of course, might seem a clue:

     

    THE aunt of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects says the older brother recently became a devout Muslim.

     

    But the uncle of the Boston Marathon bombers says don’t blame Islam:

    Though the family is Muslim, their religion played no role in the attacks, the uncle insisted. “Anything else to do with religion, with Islam, it’s a fraud, it’s a fake,” he said. He described the family as peace-loving, ethnic Chechens. “Somebody radicalized them, but it’s not my brother, who just moved back to Russia, who spent his life bringing bread to their table, fixing cars,” he said. ”

    The father of Tamerlan (left) and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev says don’t even blame his boys:

    Someone framed them. I don’t know who exactly did it. But someone did. And being cowards, they shot the boy dead. There are cops like this.

    The president of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, says blame America instead:

    It’s all America’s fault because these kids were brought up in America, not Chechnya.

    And the Boston Globe‘s Kevin Cullen hears the same calls:

     

    I was on an NPR show this morning, talking as I drove back from Cambridge to write this column, and a caller came on the air and started talking about how we’ve got to look in the mirror and ask what we as Americans have done to create angry young men like this.

    I almost drove off the road. No one who lost their life or their limbs on Boylston Street last Monday did anything to create angry young men like this.

    Indeed.

    Here’s what wicked America did to these men, Chechens raised in Kyrgyzstan. It let both into the country.

     

    A federal official said the younger brother arrived on a tourist visa in the United States on July 1, 2002, at age 8. After seeking asylum, he was granted citizenship on September 11, 2012.

    It let Tamerlan study engineering at Bunker Hill Community College. It offered his younger brother a place at the University of Massachusetts and even gave him a $2,500 scholarship from the city of Cambridge.

    And when Tamerlan beat up his girlfriend three years ago, the US didn’t throw him out:

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old killed in a wild shootout with police, was a legal U.S. resident who never the less could have been removed from the country after a 2009 domestic violence conviction, according to a Judicial Watch source. That means the Obama administration missed an opportunity to deport Tsarnaev but evidently didn’t feel he represented a big enough threat.

     

    Dzhokhar’s neighbor thought the “lovely” boy was grateful:

    He was so grateful to be here and to be in school and so grateful to be accepted.

    So it could have been America’s fault that these two men set bombs which killed three people – including an eight year old boy and a Chinese student – and then shot dead a campus security officer.

    Or we could look to other influences in their life.

     

    But in captions on an undated boxing photo album operated by photographer Johannes Hirn, Tamerlan Tsarnaev said, “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them.”

     

    He also told the photographer he was a “very religious” Muslim boxer who did not smoke or drink. One caption said he usually did not take his shirt off so girls wouldn’t get bad ideas.

    “There are no values anymore,” he said, and worried that “people can’t control themselves.”

    Then there’s Tamerlan’s YouTube account:

    A user by that name has posted a video to his YouTube playlist extolling an extremist religious prophecy associated with Al Qaeda…

    The YouTube page includes religious videos, including one of Feiz Mohammad, a fundamentalist Australian Muslim preacher who rails against the evils of Harry Potter. One playlist includes a video dedicated to the prophecy of the Black Banners of Khurasan, which is embraced by Islamic extremists—particularly Al Qaeda. The prophecy states that an invincible army will come from the region of Khurasan in central Asia.

     

    Some of the material on Tamerlan’s page:

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    The video of Australia’s Feiz Mohammad that so impressed Tamerlan:

     

     

    Dzhokhar also had a social media site, praising the religion of peace:

    On his VKontakte page, Dzhokhar lists his world view as “Islam” and follows several pages devoted to the topic.

    Of course, religion is not everything. There are always family influences.

    The [bombers’] father warned, however, “If they killed him, then all hell would break loose.”

    “If they kill my second child, I will know that it is an inside job, a hit job. The police are to blame,” the father told ABC News. “Someone, some organization is out to get them.”

    Now, why would the US do that?

    In my opinion, my children were set up by the secret services because they are practising Muslims.

    So don’t blame Islam for the bombings. Blame Islamophobia for “setting up” the bombers.

    And:

     

    The mother of the two Chechnyan brothers suspected of setting off two bombs at the Boston Marathon was arrested last year for allegedly stealing $1,600 worth of clothes from an upscale department store.

    Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva, 45, was charged with two counts of malicious/wanton damage and defacement to property after allegedly swiping the merchandise from a Lord & Taylor in Natick, Mass. in June 2012.

    Whatever, the bombers seemed proud of their work, even after learning they’d killed an eight-year-old who just wanted to hug his dad at the Marathon:

     

    Soon after the shooting, the brothers allegedly carjacked a Mercedes SUV from Third Street in Cambridge. They forced the driver of the car to stop at several bank machines to withdraw money, and succeeded in taking $800 from one location.

    The driver, who was released unharmed on Memorial Drive, told police that the brothers had bragged to him that they were the marathon bombers, law enforcement authorities said.

    But in the culture of Chechen militancy, what is one more dead child?

     

    The conflict in Chechnya began in 1994 as a separatist war, but soon becamse an Islamic insurgency whose adepts vow to carve out an independent Islamic state…

    Militants from Chechnya and neighbouring provinces have launched a long series of terror attacks in Russia, including a 2002 hostage-taking raid in a Moscow’s theatre, in which 129 hostages died, a 2004 hostage-taking in a school in Beslan that killed more than 330 people, and bombings in Moscow and other cities.

  73. Ray Dixon says:

    Sure Iain, there seems little doubt that these two were connected to inspired by Islamist terrorist acts elsewhere and/or influenced by their upbringing in Chechnya where bombing the shit out of people is more the norm.

    I guess the anti-muslimites (cue GD) will use this as further proof that we should not accept muslim immigrants or asylum seekers into Australia because look what might happen. I’ll take it one step further for you and advocate we also ban Tasmanians from crossing Bass Strait – I mean, look what might happen if we let someone like Martin Bryant onto the mainland. And lets keep all those from NSW out of our other States too because that’s where Ivan Milat came from and look what might happen if Sydneysiders cross the Murray or the Tweed. Oh f*ck, let’s take it even further: I’m worried that murderers & rapists like Adrian Bayley might find their way to my home town up here in NE Victoria so I want to place a blanket ban on any Melbournites being allowed into this area. Look what might happen.

    It’s a terrible crime Iain, but is it a planned/organised Islamic terrorism plot per se? I’m not sure it is. In fact I seriously doubt it. I think it’s possibly more the act of a lonely loser influencing his younger brother to join him in a random act of bastardry and violence. It’s shit … shit happens though, Iain, everywhere, unfortunately. And blaming it all on a religion and then banning all muslims won’t stop it.

  74. Iain Hall says:

    Turn On Your TV Ray they have the second bomber cornered and reporting three more arrests at another location.

  75. Iain Hall says:

    News reports that second bomber taken into custody!!!!!

  76. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain, let’s not turn this into another 9/11 event please. What’s next – America invades Chechnya?

  77. Iain Hall says:

    Oh I certainly don’t think its of the scale of 911 Ray but we should not dismiss the Jihadi connection either.
    What I want to know is does Massachusetts have the death penalty?

  78. Ray Dixon says:

    They don’t seem to need one, Iain – the cops shoot to kill anyway it seems.

  79. Richard Ryan says:

    Iraq sends their sympathy for the minor skirmish in Boston.

  80. Richard Ryan says:

    These lads were not in the league of Timothy Mcveigh, a decorated war veteran of Iraq. A good all round American boy.

  81. Richard Ryan says:

    Till he went out of control.

  82. Richard Ryan says:

    Good movie I see today, Olympus Has Fallen. Much better then the Boston drama we had to watch with the embedded Australian media.

  83. GD says:

    Keep drinking the Kool-Aid Ray
    Islam is good for the world
    Islam is good for Australia
    Islam is the religion of peace

    Ray, your examples of solo nut-jobs going the massacre route are in no way equivalent to the on-going Islamist influenced terrorism being perpetuated on the western world.

    Yes, in every society, there are nut-jobs. The difference is that Islam takes normal young men and turns them into nut-jobs.

    It is not the people, it is the ideology.

    Sadly, leftards, especially those in the MSM don’t get that. Instead they resort to labelling anyone who disagrees as ‘racist’.

    Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Ray and Craigy.

  84. Richard Ryan says:

    GD, get back strumming that guitar—-you f*ucking clown. Kool -Aid? Another tea-party drink—giggle giggle. I drink old beer, and lots of it—-ok Muslim hater. Shalom,—-you twisted idiot.

  85. Richard Ryan says:

    GD!Better still what about a no-frills-drink cyanide mixed with your lolly water.

  86. Ray Dixon says:

    your examples of solo nut-jobs going the massacre route are in no way equivalent to the on-going Islamist influenced terrorism being perpetuated on the western world.

    In Australia, those ‘solo nut-jobs’ have done far more damage and killed far more people, GD. The total carnage of the three I mentioned = 43 dead. Total deaths in Australia by “Islamist influenced terrorism” = 0. You’re right, they’re in no way equivalent … they’re far worse. Same goes for the USA when you think about it.

    Yes, in every society, there are nut-jobs. The difference is that Islam takes normal young men and turns them into nut-jobs.

    And US fundamentalism & gun culture does much the same. There and over here.

    It is not the people, it is the ideology.

    So your solution is to remove the ideology (the muslim ideology) from Australia because, you know, they’re causing carnage & mayhem here? Seriously? Look mate, my suggestions of banning interstate movements of Aussies (as ludicrous as they are) actually make more sense than your proposal. At least I have data to justify their instigation, all you’ve got is your prejudice.

  87. GD says:

    Ray said:

    In Australia, those ‘solo nut-jobs’ have done far more damage and killed far more people, GD. The total carnage of the three I mentioned = 43 dead. Total deaths in Australia by “Islamist influenced terrorism” = 0.

    Perhaps, Ray, you should google ‘terrorists in australia in jail’.

    In the past four years, 21 Islamic nut-jobs have been sentenced to long term jail sentences, and not because they didn’t pray to Allah five times a day, or turn up at Centrelink once a fortnight, but because they were intending on taking out a massive number of civilians and military personnel.

    I ask, once again, why is Australia so intent on importing future problems from radically dysfunctional countries, which actively profess anti-Australian sentiments, while either damning or ignoring skilled workers from nations who have no beef with us?

    Why is the government of the day, and the apologetic MSM so eager to bend over backwards to appeal to the monster that is Islam?

    Why does the government have a special program to work with ‘community leaders’ of the Muslim community? Do Buddhists need a special program? Did the Greeks and Italians in the 50s need a special program?

    Perhaps it’s because the Muslim hierarchy has already blotted its copybook, with Sheik Hilali and his ‘uncovered meat’ comments and now, Sheik Feiz, a young Australian Lebanese, with his vile comments.

    Disgustingly, newly installed attorney-general, Mark Dreyfus, has stated that Sheik Feiz is a now a community leader and a changed man.

    This can only end in tears. Labor are betraying our birthright, they are selling our country out to the lowest bidder, that is socialism, and an imported ideology, that is Islam, and they are making sure they leave the largest debt in history for future generations to pay back.

    There can be no other interpretation of this malfeasance other than a vindictive realisation that their misguided socialist ideals have once again failed.

  88. Ray Dixon says:

    GD, the fact remains you haven’t mounted a viable case for the banning of immigrants from muslim countries, which is what you advocate. Look to the data in Australia and, yes, even include those few who were put in jail for ‘plotting’ attacks (such as they were). I don’t support Islamist terrorism or even the doctrine of Islam, but there’s simply insufficient incident of trouble caused in Australia to justify your proposed blanket ban of those from muslim countries. And even your precious coalition mob agree with that. Face it, you’re in a very small minority of radical muslim-haters. And no, that’s not “selectively misinterpreting” your words, as you claim in the other post.

  89. GD says:

    Ray reiterates:

    GD, the fact remains you haven’t mounted a viable case for the banning of immigrants from muslim countries, which is what you advocate. ….there’s simply insufficient incident of trouble caused in Australia to justify your proposed blanket ban of those from muslim countries. …Face it, you’re in a very small minority of radical muslim-haters. And no, that’s not “selectively misinterpreting” your words

    Ray, you’re not “selectively misinterpreting” my words, you are deliberately overlooking what I have said, in favour of what you think I have said.

    I have never ‘advocated a blanket ban of immigrants from muslim countries’. At last recall, I asked why couldn’t Australia have a more balanced immigration program, rather than the current open-ended immigration and ‘refugee’ policies.

    you’re in a very small minority of radical muslim-haters

    As I have said before, I don’t hate muslims, I hate their misguided, archaic, murderous ideology, which in the present day is having repercussions across the civilised world.

    As for the ‘small minority’. I’d suggest you look further than the ABC or the Border Mail. Many conservatives feel the same way. And as we all know, it is conservatives who are in the majority today.

    Rather than your ‘rose-coloured’ view of our immigration program, I tend to agree with Greg Sheridan’s take on it.

    It is extremely difficult to talk honestly about Muslim immigration. … Most are reasonably successful. But a much bigger minority end up with social, political, extremist or other problems resulting from a lack of integration than is the case with any other cohort of immigrants in Western societies. A lack of honest discussion about this results in bad policy.

  90. Richard Ryan says:

    Terrorism is a growing industry! If I was a resident of Iraq or Afghanistan, and my parents or brother or sister was killed by the invading armies. My mantra would be revenge. GD, you would be high on the hit list. The invading of Muslim lands is a no-no. Out there is thousands of innocent children without parents who are the next generation of Terrorists. I don’t think these kids are waving American flags, singing “God Bless America” more like saying f*ck the Americans. GD you remind me of Hitler, with all your Muslim hatred.

  91. Iain Hall says:

    Richard
    The utter stupidity of your argument is evident when you consider that the the largest number of casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan comes from internecine conflicts either between adherents of the different streams of Islam (Sunni vs Shia)or the different triabal groupings. Further why on earth do you think that “Muslim lands” should be immune to invasion?

    Further I invoke Godwin:

  92. Ray Dixon says:

    I have never ‘advocated a blanket ban of immigrants from muslim countries’. At last recall, I asked why couldn’t Australia have a more balanced immigration program, rather than the current open-ended immigration and ‘refugee’ policies

    Trying to rewrite your own history, GD? Okay, I’ll play. The answer to the question you pose is simple: We do not have “open-ended immigration and refugee policies” – there are limits on the intakes. As for the “more balanced” part, which sector do you want to increase, which do you want to decrease? No need to answer.

  93. GD says:

    No Ray, I’m not trying to rewrite my own history. Perhaps you could show where I supposedly ‘advocated’ a complete ban on muslim immigration.

  94. GD says:

    The utter stupidity of your argument is evident when you consider that the the largest number of casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan comes from internecine conflicts

    Iain, Richard doesn’t understand big words, like ‘internecine’. Perhaps, you should try words like’ ‘doh!’.

  95. GD says:

    We do not have “open-ended immigration and refugee policies” – there are limits on the intakes.

    Ray, take your head out of the sand. The refugee policy may be in place, but the unauthorised arrival of ‘refugees’ is a shambles. The numbers of illegal boat people arriving on Australian shores is increasing by the week.

    Under Gillard’s ramshackle administration, the borders are indeed open to anyone with a leaky boat and a penchant for throwing their papers away. Upon setting foot on dry land, these country shoppers are rewarded with the ‘refugee pension’ and refused permission to seek work.

    Given that the ‘refugee pension’ is slightly less than the unemployment dole, it’s not surprising that these country shoppers seek work with employers who are prepared to overlook these details, and pay them a sub-standard wage.

    Already in receipt of the generous Gillard governments’ ‘refugee pension’, is it any wonder that these new arrivals jump at the chance to earn a little bit more?

    Thanks, Labor, you have now created an underclass of illegal workers in Australia.

  96. Richard Ryan says:

    HUMANS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION: = BUSH-BLAIR-HOWARD——PRESSURE COOKER=EXPLOSIVE DEVICE.

  97. Richard Ryan says:

    I suppose the Boston Bombing did not get a mention in Iraq, What a disgrace,

  98. Richard Ryan says:

    GD’s epitaph——I HATE MUSLIMS.

  99. Iain Hall says:

    Richard’s Epitaph: Allah akbah !

  100. Richard Ryan says:

    GD spells farm E-I-E-I-O. When I told GD, I was bringing Rover to the sheep dog trial, oops! he replied, I do hope he is not found guilty.

  101. Richard Ryan says:

    Iain–you copy all Bolts B/S, do you have to copy mine?

  102. Iain Hall says:

    Thanks for admitting that your commentary is B/S Richard, now I’m sure that you do have a brain in your head that would allow you to post intelligent comments but its saddens me immensely that you refuse to do so. Surely you must realise that any real point that you might have to make is just dismissed and ignored because of your tweet like nonsense.
    Lift your game mate!

  103. Ray Dixon says:

    Now you’re just going right off track, GD, and diverting onto asylum seekers, another of your pet hates. And no, I’m not trawling back to find the exact quotes where you advocated a no-muslim immigrants policy, but you did.

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