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The difference between spin and reality

Having children is probably the easiest when human beings are first capable of conceiving,  however that also tends to coincide with a time when the ambitious are focused upon their careers. Personally I find it no real surprise that in our society there is a a large cohort of women who find themselves in the unenviable position of seeking to conceive when they are well past the peak of their fertility, its just the legacy of feminist ideology that has told our women and girls that their careers are more important than having children.

Interestingly there are two stories in today’s media offerings from Murdoch and Fairfax respectively  that made me think about this matter today.

Firstly there is the story about the way that Tony Abbott supported Christopher Pyne and his wife through their battle to conceive their children through IVF:

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Secondly there is the piece in Fairfax which is a great example of that which so many of my friends from the left constantly complain about when they see stories which  begin with “the leader of the opposition says”   but on this occasion its a case of  “a government minister says”

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The Labor party of course hate the idea that Tony Abbott could possibly be anything other than a absolute and abject slave to his Catholic faith, the idea that he could be a man who applies personal discretion to the way that he considers the teachings of the church on matters like IVF is something that the government wants to hide from the people. It serves the purposes of this desperate government far better that Abbott can be portrayed as an unthinking peon of Rome rather than a modern man who makes his own choices on issues of fertility and sexual morality.

The ALP feminista  girls club does not do so well once its myths and legends are exposed to the cold hard light of truth but who is surprised? They are fighting a desperate rear guard defence of a party that not only faces defeat but near obliteration at the next federal election so clearly they are trying their darnedest to ensure that they make truth the first casualty of the battle to retain the Lodge but the truth is not as easy to kill as they had hoped.

Cheers Comrades

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30 Comments

  1. Peter Dippl says:

    Finally the misandrist,lying,slanderous alp (publicly funded) dirt unit attack is exposed for what it was by the MSM who have realised they were backing a nag headed for the glue factory and like the curs they are, are switching sides .!!!! Karma is a bitch especially when it bites a bitch on the arse LOL Abbott has no problem with women per se only the handbag harpies who have led the assassination of his character. Hows McTernan working out for you now losers ?

  2. Iain Hall says:

    Yes Peter the facts are a very long way from the truth about Abbott’s attitude to women aren’t they?

  3. deknarf says:

    Credibility Credlin and Whiney Pyne! As about as believable as Abbotts views that a tonne of Carbon Dioxide doesn’t weigh anything.
    If this is the NO Coalitions strategy to give Phoney the ‘loving, caring’ persona its already a rather puerile and dismal failure!

  4. Ray Dixon says:

    So let’s see: Abbott’s a great bloke and not a misogynist because – wait for it – he didn’t oppose little Chrissy Pyne’s wife having IVF treatment (I’m not surprised Pyne couldn’t deliver!) and likewise, he was supportive of the Amazon woman Credlin also undergoing IVF. And it’s true … because they said so! Wow – is that it? Shorter version: Abbott is so hopeless in his public attitudes to women that he has to get his underlings to speak on his behalf.

    (Btw, I have relatives who worked with Credlin in the her property management days over a decade ago. Their verdict: She’s an absolutely horrible person with no redeeming features – unless her manly build turns you on. And they are normally coalition supporters).

  5. deknarf says:

    And after the cohabit with Bishop and the ‘Get Julia’ file Credlin has zero credibility on anything related to Phoney Toney and his attitude to women (‘misogyny’ I think it’s called).

  6. Brian says:

    It’s fairly low taking aim at women because they choose to have careers and then children, Iain. Yes, waiting until your 30s does decrease the chances of conception. But so long as women are aware of this when they make their decisions, what is the problem? Acknowledging that women have the right to equal opportunities and careers is not “feminist theory”, it’s simple equality.

    I don’t think Abbott is a slave to Rome, nor do I think he’s the demon made out by some in the ALP. I just don’t think he’s got the character or qualities to be prime minister. Not that he’s alone in that, there’s not many potential statesmen on either side of the political fence at the present time.

    Good to see Peter Dippy taking a break from his large manufacturing business to drop back in and provide more rational political commentary!

  7. Iain Hall says:

    Brian
    My wife and I left having our children until later in our lives and although we did not end up on the IVF treadmill it was not easy which made me painfully aware that the Feminists were wrong to argue that women can ignore the biological realities of fertility. I have known women on the IVF treadmill who suffered terribly on its horrid roller-coaster. Frankly anyone who has not gone through the experience would be so flippant about women putting their career before having their children.
    A career is not subject to the immutable nature of biology and it can stand a hiatus to have children, the other-way around just does not work, unless you have a desire to enrich the entrepreneurs of the fertility industry.

  8. Peter Dippl says:

    ???? WTF Large manufacturing business would that be ? I am not nor ever have I been in manufacturing.

  9. Peter Dippl says:

    It takes a “special” kind of coward to blog with a pseudonym brian so get off your pedestal mate !

  10. Rossini says:

    I don’t know why you bother commenting Mr. Dixon
    I fail too see any advancement in the discussion from your musings.
    I try to treat people as I find them not by what some unknown person, whose views on life I do not know, has to say.
    So get a life and adjust to the way life will be rather than try and hang on to the past.

  11. Brian says:

    My wife and I left having our children until later in our lives and although we did not end up on the IVF treadmill it was not easy which made me painfully aware that the Feminists were wrong to argue that women can ignore the biological realities of fertility.

    I don’t think “feminists” are ignoring or denying anything. Ultimately this boils down to choice. Women are entitled to have a career before of or instead of motherhood. So long as they are informed choices, I don’t see any issue.

    Frankly anyone who has not gone through the experience would be so flippant about women putting their career before having their children.

    You make careers and motherhood sound like an either/or choice Iain. They are not. Sure, choosing one may minimise your chances of having another. But again, that’s no reason for women (or their husbands for that matter) to be half-nelsoned into life choices. People will do as they choose.

    Anyway, what evidence is there that a woman accessing IVF in her late 30s might not have experienced difficulty conceiving in her late teens or early 20s?

    WTF Large manufacturing business would that be ? I am not nor ever have I been in manufacturing.

    The one with 50-something employees that you’re going to shut down in the unlikely event of Gillard being reelected.

    It takes a “special” kind of coward to blog with a pseudonym brian so get off your pedestal mate !

    I’m quite sure Iain knows who I am. As for you, I bet “Peter Dippl” is your real name. Sure it is!

  12. Iain Hall says:

    Brian
    A woman’s fertility declines exponentially as she ages but also the effects of conditions like endometriosis becomes more pronounced the longer that a woman delays having children. I don’t have the stats at hand but it goes something like a a woman’s chance of getting pregnant at twenty are twice as good as they are at thirty and compared to forty well its something like ten times better.
    I blame the feminists because they have done a very good job of selling women on the idea that they can ignore biology and the result is a whole cohort of women who are being exploited by the fertility industry. Or who are looking towards a miserable childless existence.

  13. Ray Dixon says:

    I fail too see any advancement in the discussion from your musings too, Rossini.

    And your last sentence is totally incoherent.

  14. Brian says:

    I blame the feminists because they have done a very good job of selling women on the idea that they can ignore biology and the result is a whole cohort of women who are being exploited by the fertility industry.

    I don’t think feminism hasn’t sold any idea about ignoring biology. It would be silly to do so because the facts are quite obvious. All feminism has done is to give women a broader range of choices: education and/or careers and/or motherhood, as opposed to being a housewife and breeder. Like most choices, there are risks and trade-offs. I don’t think anyone is in denial about them.

    Or who are looking towards a miserable childless existence.

    I don’t think it’s your place or mine to make suppositions about what makes other people happy, Iain. Those kind of decisions and choices are best left to each individual.

    I’m not entirely sure what you are arguing here. That career women in their late 30s should be denied access to IVF? That women must have children younger or not at all? That feminists are evil? I personally wouldn’t agree to any of those.

  15. Simon says:

    A clever start from the Liberals in this election year. Only a small salvo that defines the leader of the opposition not as the great socially-conservative hope (that I’m sure will lose him a few of his supporters who saw him as such) but holding a more typically Aussie view that IVF is pro-family and can help couples with infertility.

    2% of all children born in Australia and New Zealand are now thanks to Government supported IVF programmes. That’s a few parents and grandparents who will have had their fears relieved about what a Tony Abbott led government might decide to change.

  16. GD says:

    Thank you, Simon.

  17. Iain Hall says:

    I concur with GD Simon you have summed up the tactical situation very well ;)

  18. Ray Dixon says:

    Yes, Iain, Simon has summed it up: the statements by Pyne & Credlin are a cheap “tactic” designed to enhance Abbott’s appeal.

  19. Iain Hall says:

    No Ray its the truth that Labor does not want the world to know, namely that Abbott is an ordinary guy when it comes to such things rather than him being a hard right slave to his faith as they want to suggest.

  20. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain – when we get ordinary citizens testifying to Abbott’s “ordinary guy” status, instead of suckhole underlings, then I’ll give some credence to it.

    And you talk about spin …………………. ?

  21. Iain Hall says:

    Ray we both know that it would take an endorsement from a risen from the political grave Rudd for you to give credence to Abbott as an “ordinary guy”. ;)

  22. damage says:

    In the end Ray can you point to anyone in Canberra who would qualify as in any way ordinary?

  23. Ray Dixon says:

    I can think of several who are less than ordinary.

    Eg: Sophie Mirabella, Sussan Ley, that German bloke who sounds like Schwarzeneger (a coalition MP of course) and that woman with the large head who took Costello’s seat of Kooyong (can’t and don’t want to think of her name). Oh yeah, and the airhead – you know, the cross-eyed one with the stiff hair. Julie someone.

    As for “ordinary” in the sense of being a decent, average sort of Joe, I’d put forward Albanese as the best example of that.

  24. damage says:

    It would seem you have an issue with foreign people in particular women a little on the plump side or with non Elle looks. I’d agree that Albo is a decent bloke, like Abbott. As is Bourke, Hockey and Rudd and a host of others, but that’s not ordinary. Your ordinary milk bar proprietor, motel owner or plumber simply isn’t represented in the leadership of any party in the nations many parliaments. And would you want them to be in any case. It takes something more than ordinary to be a great leader – even an average one.

  25. damage says:

    And BTW Joshua Anthony “Josh” Frydenberg (born 17 July 1971) is the Liberal member for Kooyong in the Australian House of Representatives since August 2010. Costello was the member for Higgins – for 19 years. During which time he was treasurer of the country. Anyone with an ounce of political knowledge would know that.
    So I’m arguing with a racist myog who hates fat people and catholics and knows nothing about politics.
    I think we’re done here.

  26. Ray Dixon says:

    I think we’re done here.

    Oh, I’ve done with you and your insulting, semantic ways long ago, dickhead. I’m just surprised you’re allowed back here quite frankly. Have you done any more stalking lately? Stayed at anyone’s property and spied on them? Geezus you’re a piece of work HJ – go f*ck yourself, Dunell.

  27. damage says:

    WTF???
    I have stayed at someone’s property, but to have a beer – not to spy. I have no idea what you’re on about (or just on??) here Ray, but clearly you have taken exception to having been caught out not knowing what you’re on about and for having an extremely shallow knowledge of the subjects at this blog – being politics. Basically you don’t rate fat women or foriegn sounding people. That’s not a very deep understanding is it? Is Dunell one of the politicians you think is an ordinary person? I can’t find them in Canberra. Are they a staffer or something?

  28. Ray Dixon says:

    Is Dunell one of the politicians you think is an ordinary person?

    No, he’s you. Or have you forgotten what landed in my inbox last time you tried to comment at my blog?:

    Now, I also know your first name and a fair bit about your multiple aliases, your (now deleted) stalking blog and other stuff about you that, quite frankly, I don’t care to know. I could easily go to town and blab about you all over the Internet and run down your real life reputation, you know, like you have tried to do to me here and elsewhere. The difference being that if I did that (a) I’d do it under my own name unlike you who only operates as a cowardly alias(es), and (b) I’d be justified because you are a freakin’ public nuisance and should possibly be charged for some of the things you’ve done.

    But I’d rather you just went away and left me alone. I don’t give a shit if Iain (for some reason) sees fit to let a lowlife like you comment here but do me (and yourself) one favour please: just don’t respond to me and I’ll stay out of your way too. Got It?

  29. damage says:

    I have no idea what you are on about Ray

  30. Ray Dixon says:

    I don’t care, just don’t respond to me and I’ll leave it at that. Btw, that also means do not even refer to me – here or elsewhere - and I’ll do the same for you.

    It’s a win/win scenario – I get an end to your obnoxious presence and your insulting, anonymous and highly personalised references, and in return you avoid the consequences of your online behaviour. Now I suggest you go and focus your inadequacies elsewhere and don’t bother me again … anywhere.

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