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What would happen if Labor won the next election?

What would happen if Labor won the next election?

Would the debt disappear? Or would Labor continue selling our country
out to China on our over-extended credit card?

What would happen if Labor won the next election?

Would the immigration debacle solve itself or would Labor simply leave
the doors open, as they have already done, to all and sundry, sweetening
the deal with free housing and a dole that illegal immigrants don’t have
to work for. Visas on arrival and family reunion being the added
incentives.

What would happen if Labor won the next election?

Would our freedom of speech be further eroded, as it has been in 2012,
with judicial edicts prohibiting any mention of race in arguments about
entitlements and benefits?

Would our defence department be effectively wound down to nothing more
than a taxi service for queue-jumping refugees?

And would our young men and women continue to be sent to fight in Afghanistan, while this immoral government imports shiploads of fit, young Afghanis for the sole purpose of creating new welfare-dependent Labor voters.

What would happen if Labor won the next election?

We would have open borders, total censorship of the media, an astronomical debt and myriad useless, costly green schemes.

Beyond that I can’t imagine, because by then we will no longer be in control of our own country.

But that’s not going to happen, because Labor won’t win the next election.

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15 Comments

  1. Ray Dixon says:

    Even though this new template Iain’s using only lists the author’s name in small, faint letters down the bottom, I knew by a few words in that this rot was another over-simplistic, mean-spirited and wrongheaded GD ‘special’. His style is all over it.

    Let’s look at the ‘points’ he attempts to make (some of them repeated) one-by-one:

    The debt: GD makes out Australia has a huge debt. We don’t. It’s the smallest debt to GDP ratio in the world. GD doesn’t like debt – that’s because he doesn’t like governments that build for the future. He likes do-nothing governments like Howard’s and Menzies’ – great nation builders they were.

    Immigration: GD doesn’t distinguish between refugees (who make up less than 10% of overall immigrants) and normal immigrants. You see, to him, immigration is just a “debacle” full stop. Never mind that this country was built on the backs of immigrants and desperately needs to keep its annual intake up for the sake of having sufficient numbers of workers and a viable domestic economy. No, GD would not only “stop the boats”, he’d slam the door shut on any non-white, non-Anglo-Saxon or non-European immigrants because, you know, we don’t want those dark-skinned, shitful, smelly muslims & Africans here, do we? GD hates the thought of these “illegals” getting any assistance to start a new life. They get better benefits and a better life than he has. He’s envious and wishes he was a refugee so he could get “free housing” and “the dole” – on top of what other benefits his birthright has given him. GD’s not mean-spirited or ungracious – he’s a patriot, you see!

    Free speech: GD’s really pissed off that he can’t say things like “aborigines don’t deserve welfare” and fair enough … oh … wait …. he says that here every second day!

    Defence: Another argument against refugees.

    Afghanistan: GD’s got himself all confused here. (1) First of all he says that under Labor our defence forces are ” nothing more
    than a taxi service for queue-jumping refugees”. (2) Then he complains that our defence services are fighting (and dying) in Afghanistan. Which is it GD? And then he suggests we are actually “importing” young Afhganis to vote Labor instead of leaving them there to fight the Taliban for themselves. Hmm, you do realise that the Liberals support our forces in Afghanistan too don’t you GD? Maybe you better let Tony Abbott know about your electoral theory so he can “stop the votes”.

    That’s one hell of a convoluted and twisted analysis there, GD. Are you sure you’re not Alan Jones’ writer?

  2. Anglocelt says:

    Yep I’d slam the door on non-whites to. Europeans are fine.

    Australia was built by Angloceltic settlers not mass immigration, but hey you people that advocate vertical and horizontal economics demanding mass non-white immigration, will change your mind once Australian politicians and corporations ditch vertical economics for pure horizontal economic expansion, as the great USA has. Think about your grandchildren and great grandchildren rather then your superannuation, house prices and bloody retirements for once.

    Ray, to be more exact people like I and many others despise paying taxes to a welfare, warfare corporate fascist states known as neo liberal/progressive democracy, for it’s nothing but a ever expanding oppressive state. Look at the USA and Britain today, stuff that.

    Men fight for blood and soil, not political ideology as the politicians and media apparatus has you believe. If Australia was a communist state I would still fight for blood and soil.

  3. Iain Hall says:

    You are right Ray this is a post by GD and it is has a certain measure of Hyperbole however that does not negate the strength of his central thesis which is that re-electing Labor would be a disaster for this country.

    But lets look at your retorts in turn shall we.

    The debt: GD makes out Australia has a huge debt. We don’t. It’s the smallest debt to GDP ratio in the world. GD doesn’t like debt – that’s because he doesn’t like governments that build for the future. He likes do-nothing governments like Howard’s and Menzies’ – great nation builders they were.

    You are right that by some measures our debt position is not that bad, however when you are comparing this countries to others like Greece or Spain that is not saying much. Further what that debt is buying under Labor is the real issue when so much of that “infrastructure for the future” is of dubious value.

    Immigration: GD doesn’t distinguish between refugees (who make up less than 10% of overall immigrants) and normal immigrants. You see, to him, immigration is just a “debacle” full stop. Never mind that this country was built on the backs of immigrants and desperately needs to keep its annual intake up for the sake of having sufficient numbers of workers and a viable domestic economy. No, GD would not only “stop the boats”, he’d slam the door shut on any non-white, non-Anglo-Saxon or non-European immigrants because, you know, we don’t want those dark-skinned, shitful, smelly muslims & Africans here, do we? GD hates the thought of these “illegals” getting any assistance to start a new life. They get better benefits and a better life than he has. He’s envious and wishes he was a refugee so he could get “free housing” and “the dole” – on top of what other benefits his birthright has given him. GD’s not mean-spirited or ungracious – he’s a patriot, you see!

    Well we have discussed this before Ray and you know that I am not a big fan of either high population growth or importing people rather than Growing our own, No economy or population can grow forever without risking cataclysmic collapse and to be entirely to be frank I think it is better to have a slower growth in our numbers and for those new Australians to be grown and educated here than to import people who do not share our underlying cultural values.

    Free speech: GD’s really pissed off that he can’t say things like “aborigines don’t deserve welfare” and fair enough … oh … wait …. he says that here every second day!

    Political correctness and having to be forever concerned about causing offence does our community no favours Ray and neither does any welfare predicated upon a racial qualification.

    Defence: Another argument against refugees.

    Hmm how much of our navel operations were devoted to rescuing illegal arrivals under the Howard regime? we have only a limited defence dollar so its entirely reasonable to decry government policies that have increased the workload for our patrol boats

    Afghanistan: GD’s got himself all confused here. (1) First of all he says that under Labor our defence forces are ” nothing more
    than a taxi service for queue-jumping refugees”. (2) Then he complains that our defence services are fighting (and dying) in Afghanistan. Which is it GD? And then he suggests we are actually “importing” young Afhganis to vote Labor instead of leaving them there to fight the Taliban for themselves. Hmm, you do realise that the Liberals support our forces in Afghanistan too don’t you GD? Maybe you better let Tony Abbott know about your electoral theory so he can “stop the votes”

    That the Liberals support our involvement in that war does not negate the argument that those persecuted by the Taliban have the primary obligation to stand up for themselves.

  4. Iain Hall says:

    Anglocelt

    Frankly I don’t buy the idea of having any racial qualification to come and settle in this country and I reject absolutely any notion that their is any difference in virtue or value between people of different ethnicities.

  5. Ray Dixon says:

    Anglocelt, you need to study history. More recent history. Australia as we know it today was largely built on massive post-war immigration not by what you call “angloceltic settlers”, who came out with the first fleet (mainly as convicts).

    Iain, I’m not comparing us to Greece or Spain. That’s what GD is doing. As for immigration you can’t have it both ways. If you want to enjoy the benefits of an expanding economy like we’ve had for the past 20 years then you have to accept that growing our population at around 2% is essential in supporting that. And you can’t do that without immigration no matter how many $5,000 Peter Costello baby bonuses are offered. And “our underlying cultural values” are not diminished by bringing in people from new and different cultures. It benefits them and us alike or do you still only drink Twinings tea and serve bangers & mash as they do in London?

    As for your suggestion (and GD’s) that Afghan refugees should stay in Afghanistan and fight the Taliban (with what I wonder?) instead of fleeing, let’s put that into a wider concept. Going by your logic, all immigrants should stay in their country of birth and endure whatever hardships they face – be that persecution by force or economic – instead of fleeing to either safety or a better life. And that means we should have “stopped the boats” in the 50s, 60s, 70s & 80s – you know, the ones that came out from England with Ten pound Poms on board. That’s effectively what you’re saying. Again Iain … you can’t have it both ways. We took the Poms and now we take people from elsewhere. What’s the problem?

  6. Paul Samson says:

    But that’s not going to happen, because Labor won’t win the next election.

    With, currently, a net debt level of $147.3 billion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_national_debt) for what, five years of labor fiscal management, we simply cannot afford anymore of Wayne Swan’s keen fiscal eye ?

    As for comparisons between us, and any other economy, that is pointless. We have massive mineral wealth, but balanced against that is, we also have a small population to build this economy with. Labor’s fiscal philosophy has always been boom/bust logic, that in the long term, never works. It seems as if they know, that their time in power is limited, so they have little time to build the necessary shrines to themselves, and off they go with the country’s credit card and spend. That is history, whatever dribble labor supporters try to tell you.

    Labor supporters a question to ponder perhaps ?
    Currently, with a net debt level of $147b, just how to you envisage us paying that back ?
    Winning the lotto perhaps ?

  7. Anglocelt says:

    The British and Europeans are to differing degrees ethnic kin obviously, the other races coming by boat and plane are not. Fundamentally though Australia was settled, explored and colonised by Anglocelts and still the traditional majority.

    Iain you seem to have rather conservation values of our current society, which ultimately a honourable stand point, but is a minority in the Lib/Nat party unfortunately. PC even deems The Greens can’t vilify population growth, even with the Gaia religion cult meme behind them. I must say I emphatically disagree with you on race and ethnicity, Labor does nothing but pander to non-white races, with the Liberals not far behind them, even though the liberals attempt to assimilate and pretend that Race, Ethnicity, Culture and Religion doesn’t matter. Fact is, it does matter on a local, state, national and global scale.

  8. Iain Hall says:

    AC
    I a blond haired blue eyed Englishman and I have no trouble at all celebrating that fact, but I also have members of my extended family with very different ethnicities, there is no essential difference between humans with different coloured skin or any other physical characteristics. That is not to say that I view all cultures as being the same or beyond criticism because I don’t. That said while I have as many reservations about the “Labor way” of viewing our Australian society I can’t fault their desire to have a society that is free from racial prejudice and ethnic rivalries, what I disagree with is the inept way that they go about trying to achieve that.

  9. deknarf says:

    Gosh! I’m actually with Ray Dixon’s views on this one.

    And I really do hope that Labor wins the next election. If you want to see Australia in recession vote NO Coalition in 2013 and get so much more of what the State conservative governments are giving you now.

  10. Anglocelt says:

    Iain, when in history has a multiracial society been successful?

    Has there been a multiracial society without a racial ladder?

    So which society has ever been free of racial prejudice and ethnic rivalries or a class systems for that matter?

    I can’t think of any.

    I know one thing the homogeneous Han Chinese are on the global ascension and the multiracial USA is in decline. Who would of thought?

  11. Ray Dixon says:

    when in history has a multiracial society been successful?

    In Australia post WWII until present date. I reckon it’s a pretty good place but if you don’t like it there’s a plane leaving tonight for Auckland. Ooops ….. there are plenty of dark people over there too.

  12. Iain Hall says:

    For once I totally agree with you Ray, we seem to have done alright integrating people from all over the world, not perfect but very good by any measure.

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  14. Ray Dixon says:

    The only ones who don’t fit in are the Kiwis – send ’em back.

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