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Talking the talk is all that Labor has, because we can’t afford to walk the walk even if the destination was any good

Gillard may have improved slightly in the polls of late however she has done so only with the help of a great deal of smoke and many mirrors

Over the last couple of days I’ve been listening to and watching the usual media suspects in conga line (of suckholes?) mode praising the intentions of the Gillard government’s white paper. there has been a plethora of vested interests saying that we should expend a great deal of time and treasure teaching our children to speak an Asian language. Frankly  I am less than excited about this idea for a couple of reasons.

Firstly we are fortunate enough to live in a country that speaks what is effectively the global language, ENGLISH, and as such it gives our players on the international stage an advantage if we have maximum competency in our own tongue rather than  some rudimentary grasp of just one of the many Asian languages.

Secondly I think that Gillard and Labor are kidding themselves if they think that teaching a few individuals the rudiments of another language will make them players in the rising economies of Asia. All of these economies have more than enough of their own “players” who will be miles ahead of any wannabe Aussies even if those Aussies have some understanding of the language there. In any event if we do want to get involved in one of the rising Asian countries then the natural choice should be India rather than China for the very simple reason that there ENGLISH is the lingua franca  of that nation and it like us draws upon a British legal system, its also a democracy rather than the totalitarian regime that rules China  so ethically we can be more comfortable as well.

Finally like a lot of Labor’s most recent brain farts there is no money to pay for this grand scheme. Its plucked from the air, intended to shift the public discourse away from Labor’s  many manifest policy failures. So instead of getting caught up with the logistical issues of making this brain fart smell less like hydrogen sulphide and more like roses lets save time and consider can we afford to do any of this? Sadly due to Labor economic policy  mismanagement  we just won’t be able to do it anyway even if it were actually a good idea, which it isn’t.

Cheers Comrades

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126 Comments

  1. Craig says:

    I hated learning Indonesian at school, it was literally forced upon us, out of 2 classes and 60 kids only one went on to learn the language fluently. I have no doubt everyone else like I, can’t even remember a word of Indon. I enjoyed the Indonesian restaurant at the end of each year though, that’s the only aspect of foreign multicultural Australia I appreciate, different food.

    The social engineering has already begun, my kids learn more of China and the multicultural façade then they do their own heritage.

  2. paulwello says:

    Iain at least they are talking the Talk, what are the liberals talking about, history and nothing else, not where the country should be heading, the future.

  3. Iain Hall says:

    Mate, unless they can walk the walk then no amount of talking the talk is worth anything

  4. paulwello says:

    Iain they are walking the walk, the liberals are all talk and no policies, where are there policies, nothing, you being a right wing blogger should be pushing their policies, but no just trash talking as usual.

  5. paulwello says:

    Iain here is the link to the so called Liberal party, you might get some ideas from it, but I doubt that as u do not read anything that is given to you.

    http://www.liberal.org.au/

    what are the real solutions for all Australians, Hope, (no hope under the liberals) Reward, (people paying more tax for what, so the rich can get richer.) Opportunity, ( what ever that means from the liberal, perhaps you could explain that one for us)

    Cheers comrade Iain.

  6. Iain Hall says:

    There is nothing that obliges me to “push” Liberal policies Paul, after all I not even a member of the party so when they do the right thing or suggest a plan to do what I consider to be something of value I say so here when their policy is something I disagree with I say so as well.
    Sadly you seem to feel an obligation to support Labor no matter what they say or do but don’t project that behaviour onto me

  7. paulwello says:

    That is not an answer Iain, that is just a cop out, and Iain I do not support Labor, I just do not want a LNP govt that will take us backward.

    Well Iain push their policies, Tell us what are good policies and what are bad policies from the LNP if you can, but I doubt you will as you never do.

    You are suppose to defend the LNP and TA, but from what I read here, you do neither. Give us a challenge Iain, but I doubt you can even do that.

  8. deknarf says:

    I’ve actually dealt with both Koreans and Japanese in business dealings, and you know what? I would have found it invaluable to be able to understand what was being said in the asides between their negotiators, and likewise when we were entertained by them in the evening. It also shows respect if you are prepared to speak to foreigners in their language — however rudimentary (I exclude the French from that statement). We had sufficient respect for them as people to at least learn some of the polite phrases from their language and the greet and thank them using their language. At least it shows that you respect their language and culture, and are prepared to make an effort in forming friendships — because that what most deals with Asians have to be created upon, a friendship and understanding basis. It seems to me that their business is also about relationships — not the capitalist way at all.
    I now have a very rudimentary understanding of japanese (and I mean rudimentary), but guess what, if I’m with japanese for some time, I can now start to understand the gist of their conversations by picking up the odd word here and there! Is it invaluable — you bet your sweet life it is!!
    If some of the comments here reflect the attitudes of the Australian general populace then woe betide us! I’d suggest that the young start learning an Asian foreign language ASAP — because in 20 or so years time, your going to be working for them! The problem is picking the right one and I’d rank them as follows: Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Indonesian (which will also give you a Malaysain bent), Hindi.
    Its a great shame that conservatives seem to have problems with the vision thing! One of the reason why Coalition government’s keep revisiting the past I guess.

  9. paulwello says:

    deknarf, most of the negotiations are actually done on the side, so speaking to ones counterpart in there language in there country would be an advantage, and following that country’s customs is also a welcome advantage, it shows that you have been learning about their culture, which is a big advantage, but the conservatives do not want a future like that,

  10. Craig says:

    I know one thing Labor and Gillard sure are desperate for, some Liberal policies, so Gillard can project the appearance to be a Howard middle weight, well you can trick the masses some of the time, but not all the time.

    Gillard/KRudd government’s performance makes the Asian white paper look pathetic, oh how I could count the ways.

  11. Iain Hall says:

    The thing that strikes me about your attitude gentlemen is that you seem to expect that we have to be obsequious when dealing with Asian businesses can’t see the value in that myself

  12. paulwello says:

    Now Iain were not all bootlickers like you, we actually go out of our to be actually polite to people, have conversations with people, not to abuse and and turn the conversation against them. or in TA case say one thing to the Australian people and a completely different thing to the Indonesian Government, re turn back the boats.

  13. Iain Hall says:

    Paul

    Now Iain were not all bootlickers like you, we actually go out of our to be actually polite to people,

    Well unlike you I don’t have to “go out of my way” to be polite to anyone even the rabid left

    have conversations with people, not to abuse and and turn the conversation against them.

    Detail matters in debate and you should be thankful that I take the time to make you work harder at giving concise and accurate responses by pointing out the short comings in your own polemic

    or in TA case say one thing to the Australian people and a completely different thing to the Indonesian Government, re turn back the boats.

    No Tony knows when not to humiliate his host when having discussions with a significant world leader.

  14. paulwello says:

    Iain

    Detail matters in debate

    ,you do not debate Iain, you confuse the conversation and turn the argument around.

    And this

    There is nothing that obliges me to “push” Liberal policies Paul, after all I not even a member of the party so when they do the right thing or suggest a plan to do what I consider to be something of value I say so here when their policy is something I disagree with I say so as well.

    So when are you going to discuss the Liberal Policies, oh thats right you can’t as they do not have any.

  15. deknarf says:

    I think rather than being obsequious it’s about treating other races with respect and without the great white supremacist beliefs held by many conservatives. I’d give you Tony Abbot as an example and his recent trip to China to provide advice on how they should run their country. I suspect their view was ‘stupid gwai lo’!

  16. paulwello says:

    No Tony knows when not to humiliate his host when having discussions with a significant world leader.

    So TA not bringing up the tow back the boats policy was not to embarrass himself in front of the Indonesian Government, he has already done that by bringing it up here, or do you not think the Indonesians do not follow politics here.

    Abbott’s visit like a bull in a China shop

    Or this on his visit to China.

    But — and this is the heart of the issue — anyone who refuses to admit there is a deep niggling doubt about Tony Abbott is delusional. His first visit to China as Opposition Leader will have alarm bells ringing in the shadow cabinet and it nudges the door ajar for Labor.

    Whether you think the message will play well at home or not, it’s not a good idea on your first trip there to start lecturing the Chinese Communist Party about the structure of their political system.

    China, whether you like it or not, is now our largest trading partner and we rely on the continued growth of its economy and the boom in its middle class for Australia’s continued growth.

    Lecturing China about anything is not smart, but reminding them that “change in the country’s political system had failed to keep pace with its remarkable economic transformation” is probably a message better left for when you are actually PM.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/abbotts-visit-like-a-bull-in-a-china-shop/story-e6frfhqf-1226435188689

    Now that is just arrogance on his behalf

  17. paulwello says:

    And Iain, how many times does Tony Abbott have to put his foot in his mouth on just about everything, then have his ministers do the cover up, if they can without also putting their foot into it. He also cannot answer simple questions, he just turns and runs away, no his minders take him away so he will not embarrass himself again

    He is just an embarrassing person who I do not want leading this country.

  18. Iain Hall says:

    no Paul the most embarrassing person in a leadership role has to be Gillard, closely followed by Wayne Swan they just flat out lie about everything.

  19. Craig says:

    It amazes me that the lefties believe in the Labor spin and propaganda of the MSM and then constantly repeat it. It would be akin to me repeating Neoconservatism of The Australian.

    Progressives should be careful when they start talking about white supremacists, as they may not like what they see in the mirror.

  20. Iain Hall says:

    Well Paul is reiterating Labor spin point for point and almost word perfect …

  21. paulwello says:

    So Iain here is an article that has caught Poodle Pyne for lying about the NBN. The liberals just cannot tell the truth.

    http://delimiter.com.au/2012/10/31/nobody-has-connected-to-nbn-at-100mbps-claims-christopher-pyne/

  22. Iain Hall says:

    Your link is hardly dispassionate now is it?

  23. alan says:

    pyne is a lightweight piece of nothingness, so one should not be surprised where he is concerned.
    he is an idiot.
    anyway, there is one thing about the sandpit………you have to keep your dickshonary! handy for all the big words, that nobody understands.
    verbose, would be an understatement

  24. Iain Hall says:

    Paul you should be more careful what you cite:

    “Hutch Hussein and Tanja Kovac are, respectively, the national co-convenor and research fellow of EMILY’s List, a support program for progressive Labor women.”

    Talk about Labor spin!

  25. Iain Hall says:

    Thus says the person who can’t capitalise even his user name…. 😆

  26. paulwello says:

    Yes Iain I know what the web site is, noticed you criticised it. saying it is Labor spin, Why don’t you provide a link to a liberal site of the same type, or are you being to “LAZY” again.

  27. alan says:

    can’t is not the same as won’t.
    i could, but i liked my ‘lower case’ moniker so much, i decided to earn it!
    do you reckon the ‘basket case’ is equally enamoured of his?

  28. Craig says:

    Hutch Hussein and Tanja Kovac are, respectively, the national co-convenor and research fellow of EMILY’s List, a support program for progressive Labor women.

    Still Labor propaganda and a feminist shrill article to boot.

    How about that, Julia Gillard is Australia’s first affirmative action PM, hhmm maybe the coalition women have a point, promotion on merit not the basis of ones genitals leads to more competent outcomes by far.

    The degeneration of our Neo Bonobo Western civilisation continues apace.

  29. Iain Hall says:

    What is your obsession with third party opinion Paul? Have you no faith in your own thoughts on the subject?

  30. paulwello says:

    I have in my opinion and thoughts, you obviously do not trust yours, why then so many links to your stories, or can’t you think for yourself. so when are we going to see a post about the LNP policies, or do you not trust your opinion on THE LNP policies.

  31. paulwello says:

    So Iain, why don’t we have a female leader of the opposition, would like to hear your thoughts on that.

  32. Richard Ryan says:

    Off Topic! Wanted For War Crimes: John Winston Howard.

  33. Iain Hall says:

    Paul

    I have in my opinion and thoughts, you obviously do not trust yours, why then so many links to your stories, or can’t you think for yourself. so when are we going to see a post about the LNP policies, or do you not trust your opinion on THE LNP policies.

    How can you suggest that I don’t trust my own opinions? I write a blog that is almost entirely my own opinions amd ot has nearly 3000 posts written by moi. Further I have written about LNP policies more than once here all you have to do is search my archive.

    So Iain, why don’t we have a female leader of the opposition, would like to hear your thoughts on that.

    When the time is right we will have a female LNP leader at the moment though we have the strongest possible leader who so terrifies you minions of the left that we would be foolish to change him 🙂

  34. Iain Hall says:

    Richard you need to buy a new record Mate!

  35. alan says:

    ‘So Iain, why don’t we have a female leader of the opposition, would like to hear your thoughts on that.’

    brownyn or julie should be enough evidence of why not!
    anyway, i don’t think anything should be decided by gender personally.
    it should be capability only, although on that score they have failed with ta, but i guess labor has as well, because she is lacking something too.

    and iain your 3:45 post is not quite correct, you have re-blogged trillions of times, great time saver though!
    so although you may agree, there is no way they are ‘entirely my own opinions’ not even ‘almost’!

  36. Iain Hall says:

    Alan
    I tend to agree with you about ability being the more important criteria rather than gender however i disagree with your opinion of the female talent in the opposition front bench.

    and iain your 3:45 post is not quite correct, you have re-blogged trillions of times, great time saver though!
    so although you may agree, there is no way they are ‘entirely my own opinions’ not even ‘almost’!

    Hardly “trillions of times” and in any case I usually leave a comment that states my opinion even when I re-blog something.

  37. paulwello says:

    Iain this is what you said,

    How can you suggest that I don’t trust my own opinions? I write a blog that is almost entirely my own opinions amd ot has nearly 3000 posts written by moi. Further I have written about LNP policies more than once here all you have to do is search my archive.

    Now Iain over the past 30 odd bloggs you have done, 21 of those are from newspapers, other blog sites, youtube videos or your sockpuppets, now that is not your opinion, all you are doing is taking someone elses work, now that is not being original, especially from someone who says they have an opinion. I just call it being LAZY. and of those 30 none were about the LNP or there policies..

    So why not offer something interesting to blogg about.

  38. paulwello says:

    strongest possible leader

    You jest don’t you IAIN.

  39. Iain Hall says:

    Paul have any of those citations been offered without comment?
    the process of selection constitutes and opinion and so to does any commentary that I add and considering the fact that you write nothing by way of blog posts your self its a bit rich for you to criticise me.

    As for your current obsession with LNP policies you misunderstand the purpose of me writing this blog, its to to entertain myself rather than trying to push any particular ideological barrow.
    If you are so keen to discuss the LNP policy platform you are more than welcome to write a guest post about it.
    Come on give me say 2000 words on the topic and we’ll see how good you are at writing a post. I won’t even mind that you will undoubtedly write it from a leftist perspective.

    So are you up for that Paul??

    😎

  40. paulwello says:

    So Iain,

    As for your current obsession with LNP policies you misunderstand the purpose of me writing this blog, its to to entertain myself rather than trying to push any particular ideological barrow

    So Iain you like to ENTERTAIN YOURSELF, well I’m happy for in that measure, does your wife and kids know that, just do not get any on the keyboard.

    and not trying to push any particular ideological barrow, so criticising the ALP is what, nothing, criticising muslims is what nothing, criticising teachers is what nothing, do you want me to go on, I can criticise you all day and nite, and there is nothing you can do about it, you could ban me from your site, but then what, you can write me up in one of you secret blogs, just so you can get off and ENTERTAIN YOURSELF as you say.

    As you keep saying this is your blog, but you keep taking stories from other places, offering you opinion, that’s a laugh, that is just LAZY.

    and no I will not write a piece about the LIMP party,seeing though they have no policies, there is nothing to write.

    CHEERS COMRADE IAIN

  41. paulwello says:

    Nah Iain I’ll just have have fun criticising your so called opinions, when you actually write something intelligent, I might actually have something interesting to say, as for the moment, I could go on like this all the time, poking fun at your posts that make no sense, blogs that you say are yours but aren’t really, not laughing at your sick and smutty joke that do not work, what else is there. You will let me know wont you now IAIN when you offer something smart now, that is an
    oxymoron isn’t it

  42. GD says:

    Yes, Damian, and both parties are wrong on this one.

  43. Iain Hall says:

    Damian look at the time stamp for that citation…

  44. paulwello says:

    Damian look at the time stamp for that citation…

    and this means what Iain, The coalition do not offer this view any more or what, please give us your opinion on what you actually meant Iain…

  45. Brian says:

    I’m not inclined to think that pre-schoolers MUST learn a second language. The priority at ages 2-6 should be on getting them well versed in English. That said, I also think that primary and secondary schools should have at least one second language (an Asian language ideally, not French or Italian or bloody Latin) in the curriculum.

    Damian look at the time stamp for that citation…

    It says May 2012. Has the coalition changed its policy since then?

  46. Iain Hall says:

    Well the problem with language learning in this country is that there are very few opportunities to use such learning in a child’s daily life and without that chances of developing any real fluency is very low.

  47. Iain Hall says:

    Paul

    Nah Iain I’ll just have have fun criticising your so called opinions, when you actually write something intelligent, I might actually have something interesting to say, as for the moment, I could go on like this all the time, poking fun at your posts that make no sense, blogs that you say are yours but aren’t really, not laughing at your sick and smutty joke that do not work, what else is there. You will let me know wont you now IAIN when you offer something smart now, that is an oxymoron isn’t it

    Clearly you don’t understand the Blogging medium at all, a blog post is merely a starting point and the the post can often be nothing more than a few words or a picture and the real meat is the discussion that ensues from that inspiration. If you don’t get that simple fact then you are clearly suffering from some sort of intellectual deficit, strangely your side of politics always seems to be keen on deficits…

  48. Damian says:

    Iain, which part of your blogue post mentions that this is a policy that both major parties share? That was my point. If you don’t get that simple fact then you are clearly suffering from some sort of intellectual deficit.

  49. Iain Hall says:

    That makes no difference to the point of my post Damian

  50. Damian says:

    You’re kidding, right? You say that the whole the idea is a Labor “brain fart”, implying that the ALP has just plucked a silly idea out of nowhere. The reality is that it’s an idea common to both major parties that has been discussed publicly for some time. Wherever your post says “Labor” it should really say “both Labor and the Coalition”. That makes a big difference, don’t you think? Or are you arguing for the sake of it again?

  51. Iain Hall says:

    The fact that Labor have made a big thing of this now makes it a brain fart because we both know that its all foul gases and embarrassing noises intended to distract attention from the competencies of the administration by moving the discussions to an abstract issue that is about aspirations for the future that will never be met. Its the same story with the NDIS ,Cash for clunkers, a peoples assembly and a just about every grand idea that has come out of a Labor think tank.

  52. paulwello says:

    Iain you said this

    The fact that Labor have made a big thing of this now makes it a brain fart because we both know that its all foul gases and embarrassing noises intended to distract attention from the competencies of the administration by moving the discussions to an abstract issue that is about aspirations for the future that will never be met. Its the same story with the NDIS ,Cash for clunkers, a peoples assembly and a just about every grand idea that has come out of a Labor think tank.

    Iain, both parties agree that asian language skills are to be taught in schools, now what part of that argument are foul gases or brain farts. ae you say, So the coalition say it and it is not a brain fart, as you say. now as far as I know It is the Liberal party, they are the party of aspirations for the future, As Tony Abbott has himself has said. You have even said that in one of your so called posts. The Coalition also want an NDIS scheme, again another fail there Iain, coalition have also had peoples assembly, another fail there again, want me to go on. The cash for clunkers is a good Idea, might actually get rid of all those NODDY vehicle off the road.

    Iain you said this

    Clearly you don’t understand the Blogging medium at all, a blog post is merely a starting point and the the post can often be nothing more than a few words or a picture and the real meat is the discussion that ensues from that inspiration. If you don’t get that simple fact then you are clearly suffering from some sort of intellectual deficit, strangely your side of politics always seems to be keen on deficits…

    I would also say that is a fail on your point as I am doing exactly what you are suppose to do, so everything that you mentioned is a BIG FAILURE.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  53. paulwello says:

    Iain you said this

    Well the problem with language learning in this country is that there are very few opportunities to use such learning in a child’s daily life and without that chances of developing any real fluency is very low.

    what are you on about, very few opportunities in this country, this is a multicultural society Iain or haven’t you noticed, or is it that you do not want your children to learn another language, just because you do not want to learn another language, does not mean other people do not, grow up Iain and live in the real world.

  54. paulwello says:

    Iain, also the NBN, this is one of the reasons why the NBN has to be built, joining communities around Australia and the world via Video link-up, to learn new language skills, boy you are so far behind the times, I do not know where to start.

  55. paulwello says:

    Two all beef patties, lettuce, mayo, pickle on a sesame seed bun and a large fries and a super sized COKE, can I have that to go Iain from your fine Scottish Restaurant.

  56. Iain Hall says:

    Paul
    You live in Melbourne don’t you?
    Well once you get outside the big smoke it becomes far less “multicultural”…

    As for the rest of your nonsense I have to go and pick up my kids so I’ll deal with that a little later.

  57. paulwello says:

    Another excuse hey Iain.

  58. paulwello says:

    Paul
    You live in Melbourne don’t you?

    Phishing are we Iain. That was a big mistake get into trouble for that.

  59. paulwello says:

    Just because you live in SE QLD.

  60. Craig says:

    Asiananation has been a bipartisan policy for more then 40 years or so. The fact the majority of the populace and the children putting up with the indoctrination in school reject it, says a lot more about the politicians and their policies really.

  61. Iain Hall says:

    Paul

    what are you on about, very few opportunities in this country, this is a multicultural society Iain or haven’t you noticed, or is it that you do not want your children to learn another language, just because you do not want to learn another language, does not mean other people do not, grow up Iain and live in the real world.

    I am not opposed to the learning of any language by my children, in fact my daughter learnt a little Japanese when she was in primary school, I have a sister in law who teaches Japanese and a nephew who is married to a Japanese woman and is completely fluent in that Language. However for the majority of students that will be taught Asian languages under Labor’s scheme it will be a waste of time and they will remember as little of it as I remember of my high-school French. As you suggest we are a multicultural country and the best way take advantage of that is to use the talents of the generation of migrant children who are truly bilingual rather than start from scratch with a scatter gun approach in every school.

    Iain, both parties agree that asian language skills are to be taught in schools, now what part of that argument are foul gases or brain farts. ae you say, So the coalition say it and it is not a brain fart, as you say.

    To be frank I was unaware that the coalition had likewise made motherhood statements about Asian languages frankly I stand by may position on the issue even so.

    now as far as I know It is the Liberal party, they are the party of aspirations for the future, As Tony Abbott has himself has said. You have even said that in one of your so called posts.

    The difference is that The LNP don’t just float pie in the sky schemes as Labor and the left are wont to do they instead bring a business sensibility to the issues and consider both the potential benefit and more importantly how such things can be afforded.

    The Coalition also want an NDIS scheme, again another fail there Iain,

    No one in politics wants to be seen being indifferent to the cripples who need assistance but once agin Labor’s aspirations are entirely unfunded and their cupboard is bare,,

    coalition have also had peoples assembly, another fail there again, want me to go on. The cash for clunkers is a good Idea, might actually get rid of all those NODDY vehicle off the road.

    If it was such a good idea Paul then why did Labor drop it?

  62. paulwello says:

    Iain, who said this is a scatter gun approach, from what I have read in the white paper, every school is to be connected to another school in Asia, we learn an asian language from an early start, and the Asian school will learn, Australian. Please where you got that SCATTER GUN approach from, sounds like your quoting from the liberal handbook again, word for word.

  63. Iain Hall says:

    PIE IN THE SKY stuff again Paul, where is the money to do this going to come from?

  64. paulwello says:

    YES IAIN WHERE’S THE MONEY COMING FROM FOR ALL THE SO CALLED LIBERAL ASPIRATIONS.

  65. paulwello says:

    The cash for clunkers is a good Idea, might actually get rid of all those NODDY vehicle off the road., don’t get it do you

  66. Craig says:

    What’s wrong with SE QLD and McDonald 1/4 pounder’s from Scotland? Not my cuppa tea but anyway.

    Ideological lefties and righties are so strange, especially the obesity worshipping ones.

  67. Craig says:

    Labor has no money, and dunna want to talk about it’s unfunded polices.

    The Liberals are no gonna let out any sufficient policies till the election.

    Suck it up Labor tools, you’ll have to put up with Gillard and Co. name calling of Abbott, as the Coalition pulls Labors policies apart.

    Oh well.

  68. paulwello says:

    Maybe you should read this then

    The Pack Circles
    Tony Abbott is looking a bit beaten down these days. He has been for a little while actually.
    People who watch these things closely — and that means almost everyone in this merciless place — are noticing and reacting.
    In the press gallery, that means lots of speculation over coffee, if not yet so much in print and on air, about who might replace him. Give it a couple more of those dreadful poll results showing souring public perceptions of the opposition leader, and he’ll be in their sights, just as Julia Gillard was a few months back.

    On Abbott’s own side of politics, it means the backbench becoming increasingly unruly in Question Time; like barrackers for a team that is squandering a lead, they try to fire things up a bit. At times over the past couple of days it was impossible to hear the person who was supposed to be speaking because of the cacophony of shouting from the opposition side of the chamber. Yesterday four Liberal MPs became so hysterical in their interjecting that Speaker Anna Burke ordered them out of the chamber under standing order 94a, to cool down for an hour.
    On the opposition front bench, it means other senior people are lifting their aggression levels. Or some of them, at least. Malcolm Turnbull still wears a mantle of weary ennui in parliament, but deputy Julie Bishop and shadow treasurer Joe Hockey are lately more performance-enhanced than Lance Armstrong. Some in the gallery see this as advertising their wares, should a change of leader become necessary.

    Even the Press Gallery are turning on abbott, and they were his cheer squad.

    Even the polls have changed, just ask Iain how in love he is with polls, the Coalition will win, 14 points ahead, labor reduced to phone booth, now look even and it looks like going down even further for the coalition.

  69. paulwello says:

    By the way Iain have you actually read Australia in the Asian Century White Paper

  70. Craig says:

    Christ de lefties are so deluded it’s funny.

    Anyway back to de subject. Learning an Asian language is only important for a would be interpreter, simple as that. Japan and Australia are ethnocentric nations yet we still conducted trade in the 1950’s, even after being bitter enemies after WW2, that’s what you get when politicians force a top down change.

    China is full blown ethnocentric and nationalistic, and believe it or not Australia is still ethnocentric and yet China is our largest export destination, while our Asian language proficiency has been declining. Old Howard, “There are to many Asian migrating to Australia.”, something to that effect in the late 80’s, is tantamount to that.

    Evidently we don’t need an increase in Asian language proficiency to export minerals, fossil fuels and sending our manufacturing jobs to Asia. The same could be said of manufacturing high end goods here. Unfortunately China has already committed itself to manufacturing high end goods in the future, so that kind of defeats Australia’s Asian white paper in the first place.

  71. paulwello says:

    Iain, this paragraph is just pure babble what does it mean

    the left are wont to do they instead bring a business sensibility to the issues and consider both the potential benefit and more importantly how such things can be afforded.

  72. Iain Hall says:

    Paul when you look at only half of the sentence naturally you will have trouble understanding my meaning so lets look at the entire sentence again shall we?

    The difference is that The LNP don’t just float pie in the sky schemes as Labor and the left are wont to do, they instead bring a business sensibility to the issues and consider both the potential benefit and more importantly how such things can be afforded.

    I admit the addition of a comma does improve clarity however the meaning of the paragraph is far from obscure even to you.
    Oh yeah and I have read the paper and that is twenty minutes of my life I will never get back 😦

  73. paulwello says:

    Over 300 pages in 20 mins, r u a speed reader. don’t think so.

  74. paulwello says:

    considering it is just a white paper, they do not have to put in costings, do you understand what a white paper is.

  75. Iain Hall says:

    Yes Paul I do have a high reading speed and its not hard when its all repetitive bullshit

  76. Iain Hall says:

    Well its all well an good to think up fancy dreams for the future but if you can’t envision HOW to make those dreams a reality(including paying for it) it is, as I have said before, a “brain fart”

  77. alan says:

    bloody hell, no wonder i stick to racing forums generally.
    laurel and hardy, take a bow!

  78. paulwello says:

    Yes Iain, Liberal Handbook again, nothing creative again, do something positive for a change instead of living in the past, and yes I know what you’re going to say. and you must suffer very badly from gas with all those brain farts and body gases, how does your family live with you, smelly. 😈 😮 😮 😮

  79. Iain Hall says:

    What is positive about the white paper Paul?

  80. paulwello says:

    the whole damn thing Iain, thats what.

  81. Iain Hall says:

    Bollocks!
    Oh and BTW have you read it yourself?

  82. paulwello says:

    Reading it now as we speak

  83. paulwello says:

    Watch the temper there Iain, don’t want to blow a gasket now do we. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  84. Craig says:

    Dear oh, dear oh, dear the Labor lefties are so sad, no money for aspirational Asian white paper till maybe 2025, eh. No multicultural monies for expansion of Asian language studies, for long time.

  85. paulwello says:

    I can put your phone number here to Iain

  86. Iain Hall says:

    Paul
    How could you legitimately make the claim about the positivism of the paper when you had not read it at the time?

    Mate you are all mouth and no trousers!

  87. Iain Hall says:

    Oh and I found this from an academic” in the OZ:

    WESTERN education, not Asian languages, is what Asia expects of Australia, according to Adelaide University’s Warren Bebbington.

    “Asia looks to Australia not as a centre of study for Asian language, but as a beacon of Western education and culture in Asia,” Professor Bebbington said.

    The vice-chancellor was commenting on the government’s Asian Century white paper with its emphasis on “Asia-relevant capabilities” including expertise in Asian studies and languages.

    He said the report misunderstood the values that Asia sought in Australia.

    “What Asia wants from our leading universities is western scientific method, western thought; not Asian cultural study, something they could get better at home,” he said.

    “This is why the best Asian universities are urgently moving to teaching in English.

    There you go an educator supporting my position…

  88. GD says:

    Good morning Iain, another day another dollar, as they say, although in my case it’s more like another day, another ten cents.

    Hopefully, in your case, it’s not ‘another day another looney leftard’ taking you to task for having the temerity to post a blog.

    And to think, they give these people the vote.

    It’s head-shaking stuff that there are still people out there who will vote for our incumbent incompetent Labor losers, but as they say stupidity knows no bounds.

  89. Iain Hall says:

    morning GD 🙂

    Yes its sad about lefties Like Paul, sadder still that he boasts about his exploits here in another place when his child like behaviour is nothing to skite about at all

  90. Brian says:

    And to think, they give these people the vote. It’s head-shaking stuff that there are still people out there who will vote for our incumbent incompetent Labor losers, but as they say stupidity knows no bounds.

    It’s called democracy, “GD”, and that’s how it works. Between 47-52 percent of Australians vote for the ALP at every election. Only a mouthpiece for the far right (or left) would have the arrogance to claim that 47+ percent of Australians are stupid. Personally I like to evaluate stupidity on a case by case basis, and not when cheerleading for my preferred side of politics.

    Ignore the attack dogs Iain. I don’t agree with everything you write but you seem to be doing OK to me.

  91. paulwello says:

    There you go Iain you just proved my point, Iain and his mad followers like GD comes to his rescues, proves he cannot think for himself, Oh GD and his life ohh Afraid of the big bad muslim, Iain your reputation follows you everywhere. You need to get a life buddy, does not even know when he is being the butt of joke on his own web site, truly pathetic.

  92. GD says:

    Lighten up Brian. Stupid is as stupid does. Is it a smart decision to vote for Labor this time around?

  93. Brian says:

    It’s a personal decision. That’s how democracy works. You obviously do not understand it. Just because someone doesn’t vote how you want them to doesn’t make them “stupid”. It’s you who needs to “lighten up”.

  94. paulwello says:

    sadder still that he boasts about his exploits here in another place when his child like behaviour is nothing to skite about at all

    Spoken like a true liberal supporter, oh and by the way Iain, who is that is childlike, is it not that you have actually been banned from several web site for actually doing worse.

  95. Iain Hall says:

    Brian

    Ignore the attack dogs Iain. I don’t agree with everything you write but you seem to be doing OK to me.

    Thanks for that Brian, the thing about attack dogs like Paul is that they don’t realise how indifferent I am to their yelping, sure I will play along with their nonsense until I am bored with them but I have literally heard it all before.

    Paul

    There you go Iain you just proved my point, Iain and his mad followers like GD comes to his rescues, proves he cannot think for himself, Oh GD and his life ohh(sic) Afraid(sicA) of the big bad muslim(sic), Iain your reputation follows you everywhere.

    Try telling that to someone who cares about your opinion

    You need to get a life buddy, does not even know when he is being the butt of joke on his own web site, truly pathetic.

    Logic would suggest that if I am as insignificant as you claim then it makes you a very petty man indeed for harrying me, However if I am significant enough to bother with then it makes your claims about my blogging a self serving lie that you are trying to propagate. So you get to choose between being defined as a petty minded bully boy, or being a self deluded liar.

    Either way it reflects badly on you 😎

  96. paulwello says:

    sure I will play along with their nonsense until I am bored with them but I have literally heard it all before.

    There you go again, Iain, Nonsense, so you taking politics as nonsense, just like the conservative side of politics..

    Describing yourself again are we Iain.

    Logic would suggest that if I am as insignificant as you claim then it makes you a very petty man indeed for harrying me, However if I am significant enough to bother with then it makes your claims about my blogging a self serving lie that you are trying to propagate. So you get to choose between being defined as a petty minded bully boy, or being a self deluded liar.

  97. paulwello says:

    Either way it reflects badly on you

    This being your website, as you continually say, you not taking control of the situation, actually looks bad on you, a true moderator would have shut down the situation before it got this far, now you’re just embarrassing yourself for letting it continue, as for being a right wing blog, what is so right wing about it when you do not discuss the current issues that are occurring within the coalition.

  98. paulwello says:

    Iain you just proved my point

    There you go Iain you just proved my point, Iain and his mad followers like GD comes to his rescues, proves he cannot think for himself, Oh GD and his life ohh(sic) Afraid(sicA) of the big bad muslim(sic), Iain your reputation follows you everywhere.

    When you quote someone Iain, you do not add comments to the persons quote.

    LIAR

  99. paulwello says:

    See that is so typical off you Iain, afraid of a little criticism, so you use one of your famous animated gifs.

  100. Craig says:

    Iain Wins.

    Leaving Phat Albert running round in circles chewing at his ankles.

  101. Iain Hall says:

    Thanks for that Craig he should have known better 🙂
    Photobucket

  102. paulwello says:

    Oh Iain just goes to show how desperate you are, boring as usual. another one you infamous gifs hey, nothing original there.

  103. Iain Hall says:

    Paul
    the word you are looking for is “indifferent” as in “Iain is indifferent to your whining”

  104. paulwello says:

    No Iain it is infamous and indifferent, they both describe you.

  105. paulwello says:

    Now I know why you’re the butt of jokes on the internet

  106. Iain Hall says:

    Arguing with you is like this:
    Photobucket

    except you are far from kitty cute 😉

  107. paulwello says:

    Leave you for dead in the debating stakes Iain, you have actually taken to your one and only trait, abuse, bully and lie to try and win arguments, that sounds familiar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh2pQv_TgaQ&feature=g-all-u

  108. paulwello says:

    You are making yourself look the fool not me, Everyone knows what you are like, so this actually works against you, not me.

    have you started a private blog about me yet, just so you can have fond memories of how you were beaten by Fat Albert.

  109. Iain Hall says:

    You flatter yourself too much Paul
    Photobucket

    I’m off for a lie down and a bit of racing on the PS3 which is much more fun than you arePhotobucket

  110. paulwello says:

    Oh Iain time for a nanny nap is it. the thing is Iain you cannot stop yourself can you.

  111. Craig says:

    Phat Albert de Paulie makes bullying threats of revealing personal information, then accuses Iain of bullying…

    The cognitive dissonance of the cultural masochist presents itself as always.

  112. paulwello says:

    I have not revealed any personal information, it is readily available in this blog about the owner. all you have to do is read.

  113. Iain Hall says:

    Paul my phone number is defitely not on this blog

  114. paulwello says:

    No Iain, you have left enough clues, even a blind man can follow

  115. Iain Hall says:

    that is a cop out paul

  116. paulwello says:

    No it’s not Iain, you said go read your blogs for info on LNP policies, while reading the blogs, you left crumbs as to where you live. TADA.

    Sorry but you asked for it.

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