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This Couldn’t Happen Here. Well It Is.

I’ve posted twice on this blog about the danger of Islamic incursion into our society, and both times been shouted down. I’ve commented many times about this on other posts on this blog and received replies like,

‘this couldn’t happen here’,

‘our climate is so much better’,

‘this is alarmist clap-trap’

and other such ‘head in the sand’ reasoning.

Today’s angry protest in Sydney proves otherwise. These over-entitled
violent immigrants are now bringing their ugly agenda of hate and
extremism to the forefront, along with their complete lack of respect
for the country that has welcomed them and is most likely paying them
welfare dollars.

In less than a week we’ve had reports of a conviction for female genital
mutilation
, a conviction for terrorist activity and now multiple arrests following a violent demonstration in Sydney.

Even the leftie in the red bandana, he’s the one who ‘fed the chooks’ with fellow leftie Richard Glover on ‘our’ ABC for a puerile 24 hour interview, has written an ‘open letter’ to the hotheads, although it’s akin to a slap with a wet tissue.

Still, I suppose that’s a start. Let’s see what ‘our’ ABC says about the incident. And let’s see what the hopeless and hapless Gillard government does about the continuing influx of these violent and aggrieved so called ‘refugees’.

Update: Waleed Ali, a Muslim lecturer in politics at Monash University and regular panelist on lefty ABC shows provides a refreshing viewpoint on the stupidity of the riotous protest.

Yet this still doesn’t answer the question of why are the protesters so unhappy in a country that treats them so well, ie welfare. If these people are truly grateful immigrants or refugees why are they biting the hand that feeds them?

And if they are 2nd generation Muslims, then we seriously have an issue with future islamic immigration. It obviously doesn’t work.

Back to the desert, Mohammed and build your own nation, because by staying here you are attempting to destroy ours.

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77 Comments

  1. kman says:

    Yeah another diatribe from kman but it has to be said.

    The Australian Census in 1996 revealed a remarkable rate of growth in Australia’s Muslim population. The 96 Census listed 200,885 Australian Muslims, an increase of some 161 per cent in 15 years, while the Australian population as a whole only grew by 21.7 per cent in the same period. And these figures may be very conservative. Some recent estimates suggest Australian Muslims now number almost a half million. If the asylum seeker intake does increase to 20,000 p/a for refugees, and the fact that each refugee can sponsor 3 people, this could add 60,000 people yearly, mostly Muslim from Africa and the Middle East to our population.

    What the left’s open borders – “let everyone in crowd” need to understand is there are basically two types of people who migrate to Australia – there are those who willingly adopt our values, assimilate and become contributing citizens. And there are those who will have crime numbers way outside of their numbers, will not assimilate and will instead aggressively seek to change our values and culture to their barbaric, illiberal and totalitarian force of pathological cruelty – All within the framework of Sharia Law.

    Australia was once one of the mostly socially cohesive and crime free countries on the planet, and then Labor introduced what the Immigration Minister Chris Bowen today describes as “The genius of Australian multiculture” which in the real world is actually the path to our national suicide.

    Australians are not xenophobic or racist as much as they are committed to maintaining western values, and we shouldn’t blur the distinction between those who uphold our values and those who threaten them.
    All Australians especially those who have children should be screaming bloody murder. They should be organising rallies against the unbelievable travesty that is happening now to our country, and which will eventually spiral in to Australia having a very large and dangerous separate society of third world criminals and religious fanatics among us. Australian appeasement politicians and the cultural Marxists have ensured that unlike you, your children and your children’s children are going to grow up in a very different Australia, a country where a clash of civilisations with out of control crime rampant will make it a very violent and unsafe Australia.

    Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilisations rise and they all fall, and that “an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.”

  2. Ray Dixon says:

    Ex Rugby meathead Peter FitzSimons has taken off his red bandana and summed it up so well in that SMH link of yours, Iain. Especially this bit:

    Do you not understand that the net result of such irresponsible, appalling action is to give ample fuel to every racist in the country to reinforce every bad stereotype they have ever had of you, and that will affect badly the hundreds of thousands of other peaceful and law-abiding Islamic Australians?

    Yep, and exactly as Fitzsimons predicted, Kman steps up to the plate for some old fashion muslim-bashing.

  3. Simon says:

    Rye Harris sums up one of the more striking images from yesterday of the toddler holding up high his distasteful poster “it was something she (his mum) was proud of”. http://blog.ryeharris.com/post/31583458461/i-was-an-observer-today-at-the-anti-american-riots-in

  4. Richard Ryan says:

    AH GEE! The picture of the American Goons pissing on the dead Taliban fighters—–I thought that picture would incite anti-American hatred—-imagine the children of these dead fighters,they won’t forget. Europe will be a Islamic continent—-by the year 2050, if not sooner. Get over it.

  5. Ray Dixon says:

    These over-entitled violent immigrants are now bringing their ugly agenda of hate and extremism to the forefront, along with their complete lack of respect for the country that has welcomed them and is most likely paying them welfare dollars.

    That’s a very hate-filled statement right there, GD. To start with, how do you know the protesters were all immigrants? And how do you know they’re all on welfare?

    Go to today’s Age and read the article on Victoria’s welfare capital Shepparton if you want an insight into the “respect” that many Aussie borns have for their own country (and for themselves). And Shepparton has a very high proportion of muslim immigrants (especially from Iraq) yet the problem there centres on the unemployed yobbo Aussies, not the Iraqis, who actually go out and work hard and make fine citizens:

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/rolling-with-the-punches-20120915-25zf7.html

    You’re really kneejerking here, GD. You and O’Farrell.

    (Btw, I wonder if PKD still thinks you’re me?)

  6. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    Its entirely reasonable to claim that these Muslim protesters are “immigrants”even if some of them have been born here to parents who were born overseas. The fact is that they very obviously don’t see themselves as Aussies or they would not have played this really obnoxious game of intimidating the public with the explicit threat to do violence to anyone who dares to point out that their prophet was less than perfect.

    When minions of the left get all up in arms about Alan Jones suggesting that Gillard should be put in a chaff bag and drowned where is their equal disgust at these so called protests? No sadly too many people are willing to give Islamic “hot heads” a free pass either out of fear or just plain naive acceptance of the Furphy that they are a “repressed minority”. The fact is that they are the masters of being public bully boys who want to exert control over society through fear and intimidation.

  7. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain, I don’t condone the protests. They’re idiotic. Vitriolic. And plain stupid. All over a home movie? And likewise I don’t condone statements like Kman’s & GD’s who take this opportunity to tar all “immigrants” with the same brush. It’s just a bloody protest. They happen in all walks of Aussie life. Are the unionists in Melbourne who recently conducted a somewhat violent protest (over next to nothing) disrespectful of Australia too? Protests are part of our way of life. We do not have a perfect society and these “immigrants” you refer to do not diminish it.

  8. Iain Hall says:

    Ray I would gladly ship off violent Union protesters as well as ones who riot in the name of Allah Hmm how about we send em all to one of the miserable rocks between here and Antarctica?

  9. Berserker says:

    The coming oil and gas wars, and consequently the social repercussions that go with it, will make what is happening today seem like a stroll in the bush, with a teddy bears picnic at the end destination. Thankfully this is all coming to a head from now on in, for the next 20 to 30 years will transform the world globally. First world nations will whine the most, due to our decadent lifestyles and entitlement mentality, the second and third world will suffer the most via starvation and more rapid de-population.

    @ Ray, Kman is thinking in generations, decades and centuries, you on the other hand probably don’t think any further then your own retirement and how much money you’ll have to enjoy yourself. Bugger the son and daughter’s inheritance, we need economic growth, and mass immigration to maintain my lifestyle. 😉

    Lebanon is a good example on how demographics affect a country’s ethnic and cultural mix, which then changes the political institutions over decades and centuries. The same will and is happening in Europe, UK, USA, Canada, Australia and NZ. Even with a lower population mix it only takes a 10 to 20% demographic shift to affect the political, technocratic and bureaucracy platforms. This can be seen in Australia primarily with our increasing Asian demographics and the approaching Asian century, which will be a huge fail soon enough. In Europe it can be seen in the policies of the different sides of politics when considering the Muslim immigration and demographic changes.

    In all this the USA will be a great warning to the rest of the Anglosphere, if you look at the demographic movements(California), which states are bankrupt, the totalitarian laws, fraud of banks and stock markets, the alarming growing crime waves and federal, state acquisition of crowd control equipment. The Universal brotherhoods and Socialists dreams are all falling apart.

    Is it any wonder the racist bogan rednecks who live next to the joys of diversity, the genius of Australian multicultural suburbs, have it right. The progressive liberal closet bigots who live in secluded majority white enclaves with a sprinkling of upper class diversity, have it so wrong.

    Never has a multicultural society held together in peace for long, civil unrest and war is inevitable, when looking at it form a historical context. Particularity when the majority ethnicity and cultural heritage is dissolved in the process of immigrations. The unprecedented mass immigration of today, will be looked upon as sheer madness in future by our descendants.

    The liberal progressives upholding equality, egalitarian universalism remind me of the evangelical Christian fundamentalists who believe in creationism. Both believe in fantasy, and shun the truth of the world. Unfortunately the liberal progressives fantasy plants the seed of their own and our destruction.

    Have fun living in the decline. 🙂

  10. kman says:

    “What I do condone is statements like Kman’s & GD’s who take this opportunity to tar all “immigrants” with the same brush.”

    Really Ray – well show me where I have “tarred” all immigrants with the same brush?
    And Ray it not ” It’s just a bloody protest. That happens in all walks of Aussie life.”

    Where are other groups of people are marching (and rioting) in front of a consulate because some idiot has done someting to offend them which has absolutely nothing to do with the country or the consulate they are protesting in front of? These protesters are actually blaming the US Government, even though the Americans have soundly condemmed this person and the video. And you consider this is normal?

    And here is another gem from Ray.”Protests are part of our way of life. We do not have a perfect society and these “immigrants” you refer to do not diminish it.

    Don’t diminish it? Let me get this straight. We have a special Middle Eastern Crime Squad and ASIO has warned that the immigration department is allowing suspected terrorists in to the country despite the $10 million Federal Program to stop the radicalisation of young Muslims. SOMALI Muslim youths living in western Sydney have been identified as a potential source of future home grown violent extremism according to intelligence given to the federal government “There is an enduring threat from terrorism at home here in Australia as well as overseas,” the Prime Minister said. “I want to reassure all Australians that our law enforcement agencies and our intelligence agencies are working hard to combat terrorism.”

    And Middle Eastern crime is well documented with daily news reports on “Men of Middle Eastern appearance” committing another shooting, stabbing, asault, car-jacking robbery. And African crime is fast gaining momentum in Sydney “Sudanese and Somali Gangs out of control in western Sydney!” as African Muslim gangs have already done in Queensland, WA and Victoria. ”
    Somali gangs are major players in the trade of illegal drugs in Britain’s big cities and have become ruthless money-making outfits, kicking out established gangs by being prepared to resort to the most extreme violence.

    In 2004 former Sydney detective Tim Priest predicted that there would be a dramatic rise in gang shootings as rival gangs compete for turf and business.
    “I believe that the rise of Middle Eastern organised crime in Sydney will have an impact on society unlike anything we have ever seen.”
    “My prediction is that within ten years, Middle Eastern crime groups will spread rapidly across Australia as they seek to expand their enterprises. There will be no go areas in south western Sydney, just like Paris.”…
    And as we have seen by the constant shootings and other acts of violence in Western Sydney Tim Priest was absolutely right-
    “For this, he was labelled a ‘whistleblower’ and ultimately railroaded out of the force. Parliamentary enquires subsequently proved that Tim Priest had spoken the truth and, perhaps more shockingly, that what the newspapers reveal is merely the tip of the iceberg.” …Australian News Commentary.

    Yet Ray Dixon thinks that these ignorant superstious third world tribes people don’t diminish our society. Incidentally in France and Spain even though Muslims make up only a small percentage of the population in both countries 70% of the prisoners are Muslim. Of course Ray would never acknowlege that these Muslims are diminishing French or Spanish societies -Right Ray?

    And as me being a racist Ray . Because I don’t believe we should be importing people who are a threat to our citizens and have crime numbers, especially extremely violent crimes way out of proportion to thier numbers Ray says I am a “racist” Well Ray if caring about my own country is what makes me a racist so be it. However what does one call someone who cares more for an extremely violent and irrational people who will not assimilate, and instead want to impose a violent Sharia Law on us over the welfare and safety of his own countrymen? Lots of words come to mind Ray, unfortunately Ian would freak out if I used them!

  11. Brian says:

    How many were at this religious protest / riot? According to the media reports I’ve seen, between 80 and 100.

    Between 92 and 94 percent of the world’s credentialed scientists suggest that evidence supports the theory of anthropogenic global warming. The window lickers say “that means nothing” and cling to the naysayers who claim that it’s all a hoax.

    Around 80-100 idiots holding offensive placards turn up and protest in a country of 21 million. The same window lickers say it heralds the fall of western democracy in Australia and elsewhere.

    My suggestion – lock up or deport the idiot Muslim fanatics and ignore the sh*t stirrers and bigots like “GD” and “kman”. The only thing that will destroy our society is if we start heeding their suggestions.

    Ray, thank you for being the voice of reason on this blog. I realise it must be lonely at times!

    Brian

  12. kman says:

    Ah the third Stooge is back.
    “According to the media reports I’ve seen, between 80 and 100.”
    That’s absurd even the lefty SMH said 500 and if you watched the video even those of very limited math ability (counting) can see that there were a hell of a lot more than 80-100 and of course these nut cases from the very same religion and mindset are killing diplomats and burning embassies all around the world, but of course that could never happen here.It’s not like any Muslim has ever been arrested and convicted in Australia for intent to kill Australians.That would never happen – just ask the Stooges.

    “The only thing that will destroy our society is if we start heeding their suggestions.”

    Yeah ignore Tim Priest and ASIO and the crime statistics and the police are looking for “Men of Middle Eastern appearance” that is in the media every day. Ignore every country in Europe including PC Germany that has declared that multiculturalism is a complete failure due to Muslim immigration.Ignore the 751 No-Go areas in France where government vehicles, including ambulances, fire trucks and police vehicles are fire bombed any time they enter the Muslim ghettoes.
    And of course it’s just me and GD cause we are the “racists” “bigots”.No ,I guess that now includes Merkel and the other European heads of state.who agree with me.

    Anyhow Brian there are two things I would not call you and the other Stooges and one is “Intelligent and the other is “Australian”.

    Nationals senator Barnaby Joyce said politicians should speak out to protect Australia “from what we might become years down the track”.

    “It’s not xenophobic to ask what is in your national interest and what values we support and what actions we will condone,” Senator Joyce told the Nationals’ federal conference in Canberra.

    And to close – I love this part best from Brian..
    “Ray, thank you for being the voice of reason on this blog. I realise it must be lonely at times!”…
    Geez – PUKE!

  13. Ray Dixon says:

    Kman, you’re ranting like a madman. It’s just a one-off incident involving relatively small numbers. And it’s mere copycat stuff, much like the senseless & irrelevant Occupy protests. Like it or not, protests are a part of our free society and have always taken place – many of them much more violent than this one. The offenders will be dealt with. We are not in danger of being over-run by “Islamists” or Asians. The calls that you echo to slash & burn our immigration are nothing but fear-based scaremongering designed to whip the gullible into a frenzy. But the sun will rise tomorrow and life as we know it will go on. The sky is not falling. Take a Bex.

  14. Ray Dixon says:

    Berserker, you paint a grim picture. I’m glad I don’t share your outlook & pessimism.

  15. Brian says:

    “kman”, I doubt you’re more than about 25 years old. I’ve got another 40 years under my belt. I’ve seen immigration scares before, e.g. against Greeks in the 60s, Vietnamese in the 70s, and each time there were pinheads with big mouths like you shouting that these bloody foreigners would ruin Australia. Well they bloody well haven’t and nor will they, because Australia is what the majority decides it will and should be, not the minority. And by “minority” I mean both Allah worshiping nutjobs like these rioters and flag waving bogan dickheads like you. So get over yourself because nobody, apart from “GD perhaps, gives a shiny shite about your hysteria.

  16. damage says:

    One off incident? Are you serious.
    Starting with Salman Rushdie and continuing to the Denmark cartoons and now this. ONE OFF?

    Juxtoppose the reaction to “The Last temptation of Christ” “Piss Christ” and “Life of Brian”.

    I’m sorry Ray this is a pattern, long running, consistent and very very nasty. You can’t ignore it and shouldn’t re-write history for the purposes of your confirmation bias.

  17. Iain Hall says:

    Brian
    I would argue that the anguish about Greeks and even the Vietnamese were rather over blown but that does not mean that concerns about Muslims will likewise prove groundless. the fact that their faith glorifies the killing of unbelievers and that the followers of Islam just don’t seem to do pluralism or tolerance very well should be sounding alarm bells. Its not as if they don;t have form for bad social behaviour in every country that has welcomed then as immigrants. Please point out any western country that has never had some trouble from the followers of this faith.

  18. Ray Dixon says:

    It makes me laugh that you lot are so worried about muslims in Australia. Are you that scared? Do you jump at shadows too? Granted, these events are not welcome (not to mention bizarre & pointless) but don’t you understand that this is all hot air and that, in reality, they couldn’t organise a decent fireworks night let alone pose any real threat to our law & order? You’d be more likely to be beaten up by Aussie yobbos & bogans living in the slums of Melbourne and some regional centres than by an angry mob of “Islamists”.

  19. Brian says:

    I have an extremely low regard for Islam, Iain. I think it is a backward, intolerant, misogynistic medieval cult that deserves to be buried in the same sand it was born in. My regard for Catholicism and Judaism is only fractionally higher. However I have a very high regard for Australian law, society and culture. It is robust and capable of withstanding subversive and volatile trouble makers.

    There is no singular dangerous threat to our way of life from these clowns. I very much doubt that Islamic fundamentalists well ever find a sufficient audience for their poisonous crap here. Unless, that is, racist bogan Australians don’t drive moderate Muslims to the jihadi lovers by sh*t stirring up a race war.

  20. damage says:

    Are you kidding Ray? This mob, who can’t organise, got a flash mob going in a morning and brought the CBD of the nations biggest city to a stand still. This mobs mob, who can’t organise brought down the world’s tallest buildings and grounded every aircraft over the continental US – essentially with stanly knives. This mob’s mob used a small bomb to lure hundreds into a Bali street where they used a big bomb to slaughter 200 of them and maim many others. The only reason this mob haven’t organised similar incidents here is because there are people who believe they do have the ability to organise, and they keep on top of them. You must me smoken some pretty peacful herbs not to realise that this mob are dangerous. Not neccessarily because they are organised, but because they don’t give a flying fcuk about what this country thinks is reasonable of fair.
    Stop defending this kind of behaviour. It’s not practiced by christians when their saviour is mocked, it isn’t practiced by hindus, buddhists or seiks either. Only soccer thugs are worse, but they can be limited to club v club or at worst one nation v another. This mob are a totally different kind of thug. Mate they have their kids holding up signs calling for the murder of people who mock them. Imagine the pope cutting off Eric Idol’s head or George Pell calling for Martin Scorsese to be murdered – let alone having the children at the local school hold signs calling for it?
    You are seriously tripping mate.

  21. Ray Dixon says:

    What Brian said.

    And yeah, damage, I agree that this ‘mob’ are fuckups. I also agree that they’re no match for us and are small fry. Yeah, they got lucky and caught the western world by surprise with 9/11, Bali, Spain etc. But that was all a decade or so ago. They’re all but beaten and can only make a noise and cause minor disturbances now. And again, they are a small minority. In 10 years time we’ll be saying, “remember when people were frightened of muslims?”

  22. Berserker says:

    @Ray, Yes I can be considered a pessimist, I see myself as more a realist. These Muslims protesting maybe few, it’s not just the few Muslims protesting in Australia, it’s global, not only foot soldier protesters are involved, there’s a political, media, religious, criminal arm and hegemony supporting this particular movement. What is ridiculous is other global hegemony support this crazy mob, for geo political purposes, one being our ally the USA. Perhaps you do not understand the concept of 4th generation warfare yet, it’s what Australia, USA and the rest of the coalition have been fighting openly against for over a decade, some of it deserved blow back. Where this protest started in North Africa and to where it followed is more a protest against Pax Americana or what is commonly known as Globalism.

    Sad thing is we are losing this war, the proof is all in the accounting sheet, for generals do not end wars, it’s the accountants that rings the final bell.

    Any way it all comes crashing down eventually, it’s not hard to draw conclusions unless you want to defy the second law of thermodynamics. I think of it this way after the coalition leaves Afghanistan the Turkmenistan–Afghanistan–Pakistan–India Gas Pipeline will most likely go, so there’s one energy shock after 2014. Bomb, bomb , bomb Iran will happen, no doubt Israel will go ahead to force the hand of the US, so there’s another energy price shock, which will happen within the next 3 years, if not this year, but I do hope not.

    Ever wonder why Australia, USA and UK are fracking like crazy for gas and oil, regardless the environmental implications? It’s no coincidence that the major trucking company in Australia and the USA are investing in gas run trucking fleets. That’s 1/3 of our imported oil consumption taken care of…till the affordable gas and oil run out that is.

    Get ready for savage tribalism as that is what the world will revert to, even now the world works within the confines of tribalism, some people see through the shiny veneer of sophistry.

    PS The concept of 5th generation war fare that the elite are hoping will protect the NWO, I have no confidence in at all. If anything it will be used for a totalitarian state, for the benefit of the few, so IMHO I think my pessimism is warranted.

    So live it up for these are the golden years of our era, and enjoy the rest of the decline.

  23. Berserker says:

    Ignorance is bliss.

    Perhaps you should consider Iraq, or do you have no idea why the accountant rung the bell there?

    4th Generation warfare that is what the Islamists use, this beat the pants financially off of modified 3rd generation warfare, that is what the USA and coalition use.

    I’ll put it to you this way 4 Iraqi insurgents used $US2000 worth in explosives to disable one oil pipeline, this cost the Iraqi government $US500 Million. That is 250000 times more money lost, to the $US2000 lost by the insurgents. Imagine if that was quantified through out the entire global economy… After insurgents started attacking oil pipelines regularly, the accountants tolled the bell on Iraq. So much for “Mission Accomplished”, and “This mob is Fuckups.”. They may be destructive, but they certainly are accomplishing their aims.

  24. GD says:

    Why are the left so reluctant to criticise Muslim hotheads? Why does the left always try to turn the fault back onto the western democracies? Why am I abused on this blog for calling muslim agitators ‘shitheads’, yet in the past couple of days, Brian has been able to call kman and myself, ‘racist shitheads’?

    Double standards obviously. But back to the question; why are the left in Australia so enamoured with Islamic ideology that they prefer to demonise fellow Australians for criticising this radically anti-social behaviour, calling instead their fellow-Australians ‘racist shitheads’?

    Brian, for a start Islam is not a race, but an ideology, an ideology that you rightfully deemed a cult.

    While the left champion gay marriage, they mock Christianity’s idea of a wife ‘submitting’, they mock religion, as being belief in ‘sky fairies’. They mock all forms of tradition in Western society as being archaic, yet when the issue of Islamic tradition is mentioned or criticised, they are all protective of their third world cousins. Why?

    Islamic incursion into Europe and Britain has only resulted in social disharmony. Once again, why do the leftists support this type of unrestricted immigration?

    It has only resulted in tears in Europe, why will Australia be any different? With the latest violent protests it’s obviously not a ‘one-off’ occurrence as Ray likes to suggest.

    These sh*theads are liable to be offended at the drop of a hat, or should that be a ‘freedom sack’.


    Yes, the family is growing.

    And Mum is so proud of her jihardi son

    And this is what the left condone for Australian society?

    Perhaps if we put the adults back in charge, got rid of the child senators, removed the unionists from the upper echelon of our government and restored some sanity to the governance of this once great country, we may be able to withstand this incursion by mediaeval tribes into modern society. Get rid of the thugs, deport the interlopers, and close the borders to hotheads whose prime concern is to encroach on our welfare program, having made a monumental mess of their own countries.

    Like the leftists, I too have a fear of Tony Abbott becoming Prime Minister. However, I fear he won’t go far enough to eradicate the damage done to our country in the last five years by this inept and destructive regime. It indeed has been a ‘reign of error’.

    Not only does an Abbott government have to balance the books, a monumental task given that Labor have wracked up the largest debt in this nation’s history, they also have to reverse some of the most idiotic policies in living memory. The carbon tax, racial discrimination based on presumed ‘offence’ and the orgiastic spending on futile and preposterous green schemes.

    Unfortunately, in the interim, this current government will invite and accept hundreds, possibly thousands of Middle Eastern hotheads here, sans identity papers, and therefore create an even bigger problem for the next government and general population to deal with.

    Thanks Labor

  25. kman says:

    “kman”, I doubt you’re more than about 25 years old. I’ve got another 40 years under my belt.”

    Well Brian I hate to bust your “I have more experience the yours kman, so I must be right and you are wrong.” bubble.
    Because I don’t think so as I have spent 30 years of my life in the real world overseas. I have lived in dirt bag countries with hopeless poverty, to the richest countries on the planet and I have seen the results of what socialist dictatorships have done to the ignorant, who believed originally in this crap and have paid dearly for it with famine, their loss of property and freedoms and even hope.So when I read your leftist rantings denying the freaking obvious, I can only wonder how anyone can be so ignorant as to ignore as to what is happening in the rest of the world and not believe that it can and will happen here. I guess you must be in agreement with Immigration Ministe Chris Bowens and his absurd “The genius of Australian multicultursim?

    “’I have seen immigration scares before, e.g. against Greeks in the 60s, Vietnamese in the 70s, and each time there were pinheads with big mouths like you shouting that these bloody foreigners would ruin Australia.”

    OK show me (a) just one immigrant culture that did not want to assimilate and adopt our culture and values?

    Shop me (b) one immigrant culture that wanted to forcibly introduce a violent religous law for all Australians to follow or face death?

    Show me (c) one immigrant whose people were arrested for ploting to bomb or shoot our citizens and miltary personel?

    Show me (d) one immigrant culture which has crime, especially the most violent crime rates way out of proportion to their numbers?

    “So get over yourself because nobody, apart from “GD perhaps, gives a shiny shite about your hysteria.”
    Oh really? Even lefty Peter Fitzsimons has concerns as do all other polies left and right who now realiose that we indeed have areal problem re the growth of militant Islam in this country.But not you and fellow Stooges, all you can do is hurl insults but you can’t make one single valid point against what I have posted.

    About hystetria – I previously posted a piece listing the countries of Europe who are running scared because of PC ideology such as yours, but realise now it’s all too late. Incidentlly I failed to mention that the British security services estimate that some 600 people trained in the Afghan camps now live in the UK, according to one Whitehall source.And on street corners in UK cities Muslim clerics preach the overthrow of western democracy and the introduction of Sahria Law and which a scared British Goverment has already adopted some parts already with more the way.

    The New York Times and Sweden: The Dark Side of Paradise .Our mainstream media, in attempts to preserve the Left’s chimera of “universal cultural compatibility,” hardly write about all this.
    The Muslim population in Western Europe has become so large that politicians fear what it might be capable of. Commenting on the situation in Britain, Theodore Dalrymple wrote in City Journal: “Surveys suggest that between 6 and 13 percent of British Muslims – that is, between 98,000 and 208,000 people – are sympathetic toward Islamic terrorists and their efforts.

    In an online story in newspaper The Daily Telegraph that was removed “for legal reasons,” former Muslim Dr. Patrick Sookhdeo warned that British Muslims could soon form a state within the state. Dr Sookhdeo believed that “in a decade, you will see parts of English cities which are controlled by Muslim clerics and which follow, not the common law, but aspects of Muslim sharia law.” “In 1980, the Islamic Council of Europe laid out their strategy for the future – and the fundamental rule was never dilute your presence. That is to say, do not integrate.” “Rather, concentrate Muslim presence in a particular area until you are a majority in that area, so that the institutions of the local community come to reflect Islamic structures. The education system will be Islamic, the shops will serve only halal food, there will be no advertisements showing naked or semi-naked women, and so on.”

    In the Netherlands…We are staring into the face of a shortly to be divided community. Muslims have the right to their own schools, so there is no teaching of evolution, gay teachers are not tolerated but anti-Semitism is.” A researcher for the Netherlands Ministry for Immigration and Integration found that 40% of young Moroccan Muslims in the Netherlands rejected Western values and democracy. Six to seven percent were prepared to use force to “defend” Islam, and the majority were opposed to freedom of speech for offensive statements, particularly criticism of Islam.

    But hey – let’s not learn from Europe, let’s listen to te 3 genieses who shout down every legit comment with “racist” “hysteria” and real intelligent gems clearly laying out their reasons that there are no concerns re muslim militancy in Australia with..””So get over yourself because nobody, apart from “GD perhaps, gives a shiny shite about your hysteria.”

    And GD, Brian can get away from calling us ‘racist shitheads’ because that’s the only way he knows how to express his absurd lefty viewpoint. Let’s see though how he answers the points a.b.c.d I just made, shall we? But don’t hold your breath.

  26. kman says:

    Oops a double post ,can you fix it Ian/Thanks.

  27. Ray Dixon says:

    A triple post, actually. Longest raving rant I’ve ever seen.

  28. kman says:

    Then you must have read it Ray,Notice folks he doesn’t respond to those questions I posed in answer to his absurd assertions.
    And one minute Brian is congratulating his lefty friend on being the only voices of reason on this thread (Ray, thank you for being the voice of reason on this blog. I realise it must be lonely at times!) and then lo and behold next minute … “nobody, apart from “GD perhaps, gives a shiny shite about your hysteria.”

    So it now appears that GD and I are the only ones who have real concerns about Muslims in Oz.and now everyone else is in agreement with the 3 stooges, ignoring of course the posts from others who agree with GD’s and my views.

    Incidentally this is the second time brian has made a similar remark. It appears that no one except Brian and his 2 comrades are allowed to express their opinions on this blog. It appears the the voice of reason of the Left has spoken and anyone who disagrees him does not warrant having their views posted. I guess it is all about you eh Brian? Hold the phone – here is a great idea. Why not start your own lefty blog and then you an your lefty comrades can post great things about each other and ban all those who don’t agree with you.

    “However I have a very high regard for Australian law, society and culture. It is robust and capable of withstanding subversive and volatile trouble makers.”
    Really Ray -you actually believe that? I guess you don’t read very well Ray or if you do, you don’t comprehend it. You actually don’t see the threat from ME crime and terrorism as I have lready posted?

    “It was about 1995 to 1996 that the emergence of Middle Eastern crime groups was first observed in New South Wales. Before then they had been largely known for individual acts of anti social behaviour and loose family structures involved in heroin importation and supply as well as motor vehicle theft and conversion. The one crime that did appear organised before this period was insurance fraud, usually motor vehicle accidents and arson. Because these crimes were largely victimless, they were dealt with by insurance companies and police involvement was limited. But from these insurance scams, a generation of young criminals emerged to, become engaged in more sophisticated crimes, such as extortion, armed robbery, organised narcotics importation and supply, gun running, organised factory and warehouse break ins, car theft and conversion on a massive scale including the exporting of stolen luxury vehicles to Lebanon and other Middle Eastern countries.”
    The Lebanese groups were ruthless, extremely violent, and they intimidated not only innocent witnesses, but even the police that attempted to arrest them.

    That these groups of males can roam a city and assault, rob and intimidate at will can no longer be denied or excused. You need only to look at Paris and other European countries that have had mass immigration from Middle Eastern countries to see the sort of problems we can expect in years to come. My prediction is that within ten years, Middle Eastern crime groups will spread rapidly across Australia as they seek to expand their enterprises. There will be no go areas in south western Sydney, just like Paris…http://www.australian-news.com.au/Tim_Priest.htm
    And if that’s not enough …

    “There is no singular dangerous threat to our way of life from these clowns” Oh Ray but there is…

    “There is an enduring threat from terrorism at home here in Australia as well as overseas,” the Prime Minister said. “I want to reassure all Australians that our law enforcement agencies and our intelligence agencies are working hard to combat terrorism.”
    And Ray so much for your ” I have a very high regard for Australian law, society and culture. It is robust and capable of withstanding subversive and volatile trouble makers.”because Ray it appears we ain’t doing so well or so safe after all.

    So Stooges it’s not only “racists” like me and GD who are concerned there are actually others who agree, can you believe it? No you obviously can’t.

  29. Ray Dixon says:

    I read enough to know (a) it was repeated 3 times (b) it was another rant from the right.

    Is this how you engage with those who have different (and more moderate) views to your own? Seriously, you don’t want debate, you just want to rant, rave and scream your clearly biased point of view down people’s throats. I think it’s better to let you keep shadow-boxing by yourself, Kman.

  30. kman says:

    As for shadow boxing as you call it Ray,it is you who make statements and then refuse to reply to any reply questioning the validity of same.

    OK Ray, you want short I will make this short and easy for you – just answer the 4 questions below and you can show there may be some validity in your posts.If you don’t, then once again I make my point that you post nothing but leftist PC crap and hide behind the cries of “racism” whenever someone pins you down.
    .
    I say the Muslims are and will in the future be a threat to Australians and our way of life, unlike any other migrant group before them. You say Muslims are good for Australia.

    So show me
    (a) just one immigrant culture to Australia that did not want to assimilate and adopt our culture and values?

    Shop me
    (b) one immigrant culture that wanted to forcibly introduce a violent religous law for all Australians to follow or face death?

    Show me
    (c) one immigrant group whose people were arrested for ploting to bomb or shoot our citizens and military personel?

    Show me
    (d) one immigrant culture which has crime, especially the most violent crime rates way out of proportion to their numbers?

    My money GD is on that he will find some excuse not to. And this is of course open to all Stooges to add their 2 cents, but stick to the questions without the slurs and racist fall-back.

  31. Berserker says:

    I can give one for (d)

    Black Africans, Muslim and Christian, so I guess it’s half right.

  32. Brian says:

    Ray is spot on, “kman”. For the most part, you’re not worth responding to or arguing with. To do so gives validity to your wacky conspiracy theories and inability to stick to the point. You start ranting about the Sydney protest and end up talking about Iraq, gas pipelines and fourth-generation warfare. I’m starting to wonder if you’re all there.

    I will respond to one thing though. Yes, Middle Eastern crime/gangs and Islamic terrorism are both things we need to be watchful of. That’s why the AFP and state police have specialist squads for those areas. But they are not evidence of broader problems with races or cultures. We’ve had the Sicilian mafia and Asian triads operating in Australia, smuggling dope and murdering people. That doesn’t mean Italians and Asians have been unable to integrate and assimilate.

  33. Peter W says:

    kman, Never try and teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Facts and historical precedent have no place in this discussion so relax, sit back and enjoy the genius of multiculturalism as it enriches our lives.

  34. Berserker says:

    Ugh it’s late again. Seems Brian can’t fathom the different writing styles. It seems “Kman”, focuses primarily on the meta ideology of the 6th pillar of Islam, pretty basic stuff, even from an anthropology view. I on the other hand prefer geo polotics and war fare, on a meta scale.

    Enjoy the decline of Empire fellahs, as the multi-polar world is being birthed, lets just hope the mighty US dollar doesn’t make a mess of things again.

  35. GD says:

    Peter W said:

    Facts and historical precedent have no place in this discussion so relax, sit back and enjoy the genius of multiculturalism as it enriches our lives.

    Great comment, Peter W. Whether we like it or not, we are in for the ride.

  36. GD says:

    Beserker said:

    black Africans, Muslim and Christian, so I guess it’s half right.

    Yes, you got that right, and it’s not religion based, it’s culture. Bring hundreds of families, youths and older men here from Africa and you won’t have a hope in hell of assimilating them. It may happen, but not in this generation. I’ve seen it first hand in Blacktown in Sydney.

    It will be a generation or two before these people are able to fit into Australian society. And rightfully so. They’ve come from stone age communities. Expecting them to be off Centrelink in a year or so is dreaming. It will be generations before the bulk of these people are productive wage earning citizens. Until then all this feel-good refugee and immigrant bullsh*t is just that, feel-good nonsense.

    Labor has signed us up to a long term bleeding heart welfare program.

  37. GD says:

    Brian reckoned:

    We’ve had the Sicilian mafia and Asian triads operating in Australia, smuggling dope and murdering people. That doesn’t mean Italians and Asians have been unable to integrate and assimilate.

    Brian, what religion were the Sicilian mafia? I’d guess Catholic. Same as most of the countries they lived in. Did they have a manifesto to take over the world in the name of Islam? No, they were criminals. Same as the Asian triads, what religion were they? Buddhist, Shinto, Christian, no religion? See, they were just criminals too.

    The Islamic manifesto goes far beyond the criminal behaviour, it is a declaration to establish a world government, a Caliphate as this eight year old Muslim shows.

  38. GD says:

    kman, thanks for your input. Don’t stop just because leftie apologists reckon you should.

  39. kman says:

    Thanks Peter W. And GD, just as I predicted, Brian or Ray would not respond to my simple 4 questions, instead I get their standard post.”you’re not worth responding to or arguing with”. Funny though ,no mention of “racist again – they must be slipping.

    And as for sticking to the point Brian, where actually did I mention “Iraq, gas pipelines and fourth-generation warfare.”?

    And where did I indicate that Italians and Asians have been unable to integrate and assimilate.” ?
    In fact I never mentioned them at all. The first time I was accused of this was by Ray saying that I have a problem with different cultures migrating to Australia. Ray of course never responded to this wild claim when I requested he show me where I said this, – which is of course standard procedure for you leftists.
    You make up a lie and then don’t repond when challenged.You leftist twits also obviously cannot read. And Brian, who gives a screw if you reply or not because you can’t even qoute me correctly, and to qoute you… I’m starting to wonder if you’re all there.”

    And as for my “wacky conspiracy theories” There is no point in asking you to show me just one of those “wacky conspiracy theories” because “I am not worth responding to or arguing with”.The funny part about it is I go to great pains to prove my points and I am then accused of “ranting”, while the Stooges. cannot back up even one of their statements.

    Incidentally Joseph Stalin had you leftist twits in mind when he coined the phrase “The useful idiots of the West”
    So UIOTW’s don’t bother responding because it will either be a lie or a rainbow world fantasy.
    And Beszerker you make some good poits but I have to disagree with “It will be a generation or two before these people are able to fit into Australian society. And rightfully so.”

    Muslims will never fit in to our society or have any loyalty to Australia, their single devotion is to Islam and Sharia Law is absolute. They are from a civilisation that has given the world nothing but wars and terrorism in the past 1,400 years. And unlike the ethnic migrant groups, who have migrated here, the Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Koreans and others, who have all assimilated and are all making tremendous contributions for a better Australia – just what contributions has the Muslim community made for a better Australia? In fact what have Muslims contributed for the betterment of the human race in the last thousand years? …Absolutely nothing!

  40. Brian says:

    The term “useful idiots” was attributed by Lenin, not Stalin, though there is no record of either actually using it in speech or writing. If you can’t get a basic historical fact like that right, I’m not sure how you can be expected to be taken seriously on much more important matters.

    On the bright side, you’ve got “GD” and “Peter W.” here to cheer you on. The bloke famous for his error riddled Andy Muirhead post that was pulled after just a few hours, and someone who hasn’t been sighted before. That’s some cavalry riding in on your behalf.

    “It will be a generation or two before these people are able to fit into Australian society. And rightfully so.”

    I missed this quote from Beserker but it shows that he, at least, has a grip on the realities of the situation. Most Muslims who come here will lose their religion or at least become secularised and moderate Muslims (if they weren’t already). Society changes them; they don’t change society.

  41. Berserker says:

    Actually I did not make this quote. It seems to be one of Progressive and Small (L) Liberal fool hardiness.

    “It will be a generation or two before these people are able to fit into Australian society. And rightfully so.”

    I doubt very much the majority of today’s Immigrants and refugees will assimilate like they have in the past, as the current mass immigration just on numbers alone is unprecedented in Australian History, globally it’s also unprecedented. Such large numbers tend to go with the policy of multiculturalism, which lets immigrants/refugees hold onto their culture and languages, that becomes possible as entire migrant/refugee groups live in entire suburbs and dispossess the natives, rather then disperse through out the country.

    Assimilation policy tends to have smaller numbers of immigration, so the immigrants can be absorbed into the Australian AngloCeltic culture, on a more holistic scale, like in the past, before the Lib/Nat enacted neo-Liberalism and Labor to a large degree continued it to this day.

    Seems people round here don’t under stand the difference between multicultural policy and assimilation policy. Being Australia tries to implement both these policies simultaneously, I believe it will fail due to the large immigrant/refugee numbers causing a racial and cultural demographic change. So will wither our institutions and infrastructure, as our AngloCeltic human capital is flushed down the multicultural toilet for a short term profit, and we become a nation of warring tribes. In fact I believe we have become this nation of warring tribes on a low intensity scale, the pattern can be seen through out Western nations.

    Other then that fellow Conservatives or Social Conservatives, the reason the Liberals of both stripes left and right, can’t fathom what is happening in the world today, is they can’t let go of their political world view, which the liberal progressives and Small (L) Liberals hold onto like fundamentalist religious zealots. That of the Autonomous individual, egalitarian society, with altruistic disorder expectations, yet having masochistic tendencies .

    It’s ironic they preach diversity, yet practice intolerance to diversity. The use of weaponisation Anthropology stands in testament to this fact.

  42. Onanous says:

    “In 10 years time we’ll be saying, “remember when people were frightened of muslims?”

    10 years ago we were saying look at Bali

  43. Brian says:

    “It will be a generation or two before these people are able to fit into Australian society. And rightfully so.” Actually I did not make this quote. It seems to be one of Progressive and Small (L) Liberal fool hardiness.

    Yes, you are right; it came from “GD”. You’re so right wing that you’re even making him sound sensible. Apologies for misrepresenting your clash-of-civilisations sky-is-falling position. Please carry on.

  44. Berserker says:

    Thanks. 🙂

    Time will tell who is right though, and Australia in the past has always followed the trends of America and Europe, looking at our mother lands and big brothers financial balance sheets, the future is not looking so bright.

    Hint, Australia was also the last Western country to fall into the 1st great depression, we fell off the sheep’s back, this time we will fall off the mining magnates back.

  45. Brian says:

    Well I admit you are probably correct about that. The industrial sector in this country is just about dead in the water, manufacturing is not far behind. The agricultural sector has withered. Once the mining boom ends, our economy will be sorely tested. We’ll survive for a while on primary produce, technical industries and tourism, but not for long.

  46. GD says:

    10 years ago we were saying look at Bali

    I’m not sure what your point is, an onymous lefty. It sounds like you agree with us? Surely not?

  47. Peter W says:

    Brian, I have one question. What makes the circumstances different in Australia that Muslims will integrate when they most certainly have not in England, France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Sweden et al?

    I have no problem with any religion, race or group and their right to exist in any way they can get away with. History is resplendent with mergers and takeovers featuring various levels of mass murder and enslavement. Given the current demographic trajectory, France and a few other EU countries will become Islamic states in about 30 years or at very least will be heavily influenced by Islam and Sharia. This is not a concern to me as I will be long gone and don’t care much for France but I believe the native or existing people of any country should be consulted in regard to proposed soft immigration policies. Multiculturalism has been thrust upon us all without a vote on the subject. Political correctness prohibits us from challenging state designated orthodoxy.

    Freedom is not and will never be guaranteed just by virtue of the fact we were settled under British law. I have been around long enough to witness a massive erosion of freedom and quality of life in this once prosperous country. The white ants are well underway; the facade is there but there’s little substance left. The current Labor government has only added weight to the saddle bags of industry at a time where we need less meddling and restrictions. But what can you expect from a bunch of predominantly economically illiterate ideologues who have never managed a real business or risked their own capital.

    Berserker is right, we play follow the leader. We are headed off the same economic and cultural cliff as Europe. We will soon run out of other peoples’ money.

  48. GD says:

    I’m appalled by comments in the media that suggest we should ban the so-called offensive video . The ABC’s leftie lawyer, Jon Faine, in Melbourne, on his publicly funded, sycophantic leftie radio program wonders why utube don’t ban the video.

    Worse still, our Minister for Communications, Stephen Conroy, whose chief aim is to introduce an internet censorship filter, wants utube to ban the video.

    As already noted, the red bandana wearing ex-meathead, Peter Fitzsimmons, who previously apologised to Muslims for the evil West forcing them to fly planes into the World Trade Centres, well he’s just beside himself. How could his lovely jihardists act like this in his home town? He even stoops so low as to write an open letter to the hotheads.

    Arabic/Islamic media is replete with horrifying denunciations of Christianity and Judaism, yet Christians and Jews take it on the chin, laugh it off or ignore it. But not our Muslim cousins, they react to any criticism and/or mockery of their violent cult with nothing less than more violence.

    No matter how you look at it, it’s a bad result for multi-culturalism, an even worse result for Middle Eastern immigration and a wake-up call for the Australian government to review our lax immigration and refugee policies.

    The majority of Australians do not want these insurgents infiltrating our cohesive society, they do not agree with the Left’s embracing of all things anti-American, and they are fed up to the eye teeth with the Left’s over-reaching appeasement to support a culture that is totally at odds with ours.

    Winston Churchill had it right when he said:

    “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile – hoping it will eat him last”.

  49. Brian says:

    France and a few other EU countries will become Islamic states in about 30 years or at very least will be heavily influenced by Islam and Sharia.

    That’s the kind of Islamophobic claptrap that’s been peddled by the BNP, the US far right and anti-immigration xenophobes here for a decade or more. This crap is never supported with any evidence, other than a few anecdotal incidents, or unsupported claims about Sharia law being introduced in Britain (it hasn’t been) or European courts going easy on Islamic polygamy or genital mutilation (they are not). The Pew Research Centre (US thinktank) has researched the claims that Britain, France and Germany will all be Islamic states by the 2050s and utterly blown them out of the water. The forecast is that only about 9% of the British population will be Muslim by 2040.

    Frankly, I’d rather Muslims leave their filthy medieval beliefs at the door when they enter Australia. But if we’re going to let the Catholic church operate here, making its millions and covering up its sex crimes, along with the Scientologists, Hillsong God botherers, Wiccans or whoever, then we can’t and shouldn’t stop them. As to the suggestion that Muslims are taking over Australia, it’s bigoted xenophobic baloney concocted by people who don’t like living near a mosque or who panic whenever they walk past a kebab shop. Muslims (or rather Muslim Arabs or Africans) have ghettoised in some suburbs, as the Asians, Greeks, etc. have done, but no way in hell do they pose a threat to the broader nation, despite the claims made by you wingnuts, Peter W., “GD”, “kman”, “Beserker” (four different people, probably less).

  50. kman says:

    Lenin, Stalin, who cares it’s still the most apropriate name for those who undermine our western values and the security of our country like Assange for instance.
    And the best you can do in answer to my questions and back up your mant assertions is “If you can’t get a basic historical fact like that right, I’m not sure how you can be expected to be taken seriously on much more important matters.”

    Whoa! Well folks that shot me down,that makes everything I have posted so far totally wrong. Then again Brian, you have posted nothing of value in this thread that is correct.You have refused to answer a few basic questions which would prove your points. You have incorrectly attributed stuff to me (either be design or you cannot read properly ) and refused to show me where I had posted same.
    You rant on about keeping to the thread, which I have, and then you again bring up about GD and Andy Muir,which has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, but it diverts attention away from your many mistakes when challenged.

    Another mistake…

    That’s the kind of Islamophobic claptrap that’s been peddled by the BNP, the US far right and anti-immigration xenophobes here for a decade or more. This crap is never supported with any evidence, other than a few anecdotal incidents, or unsupported claims about Sharia law being introduced in Britain (it hasn’t been)
    Really? Read and weep….
    Sharia law already enforced in 10 courts
    The extent to which sharia law already operates in Britain was the subject of concern yesterday after it emerged that at least 10 Islamic “courts” are sitting across the country.
    The existence of the courts, in towns and cities including London and Birmingham, heightened anxiety following the Archbishop of Canterbury’s remarks that the introduction of some elements of Islamic law was “unavoidable”.
    The majority of cases heard in the courts involve divorce or financial disputes, but one reported case involved a gang of Somali youths who were allowed to go free after paying compensation to a teenager they had stabbed.
    Extremists were said to have used the spread of sharia courts to justify calls for Islamic law to be adopted “wholesale” for Muslims living in Britain.
    Anjem Choudary, a solicitor and former senior figure in the banned organisation Al-Muhajiroun, said: “Some element of family law or social and economic law will not work. It has to be adopted wholesale. It will not happen tomorrow but it is inevitable because sharia is superior and better for mankind.”…http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1578119/Sharia-law-already-enforced-in-10-courts.html

    And ….”it’s bigoted xenophobic baloney concocted by people who don’t like living near a mosque or who panic whenever they walk past a kebab shop.”
    Once again wrong I live in the country where there are no Arabs,mosques or Kebab shops.

    And this gem “but no way in hell do they pose a threat to the broader nation,” Yeah thats why the federal government is spending millions of dollars to head of the radiclisation of young Muslims., something for which they are not doing for any other immigrant grouop in Austrlia.
    The majoritry of your posts Brian no only lack any credible information, the majority of your posts are just attacking or denigrating other people-but then again that’s what the left does best.

  51. Brian says:

    Lenin, Stalin, who cares

    Who cares? You make an assertion of fact and then when it is challenged, you mutter “oh who cares”. Sums up your whole pathetic argument.

    Sharia law already enforced in 10 courts

    So that Telegraph story is your “evidence”, is it? It is pathetic. A handful of cultural courts sitting in parallel alongside the British court system, hearing “divorce cases and financial disputes”. Oh, and one alleged stabbing that the police weren’t asked to press charges, probably because the victim was Muslim too.

    That’s your evidence that Sharia law is in place in Britain? You might as well claim that indigenous law is taking over Australia because we have Koori courts.

    Once again wrong I live in the country where there are no Arabs,mosques or Kebab shops.

    Why am I not surprised?

  52. Berserker says:

    I love the vegetarian Kebabs from the Lebanese owned fast food joints in the city.

    “A GROWING number of Muslim men and their multiple wives are exploiting a loophole to get taxpayer handouts.”

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/growing-number-of-muslim-men-and-multiple-wives-exploiting-loophoole-for-taxpayer-handouts/story-e6frf7jo-1225837150560

    “Preston Mosque in strife over telling wives to share their husbands with other women”

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/preston-mosque-in-strife-over-telling-wives-to-share-their-husbands-with-other-women/story-e6frf7kx-1226422997012

    “MARRIAGE:
    Muslim push for polygamy in Australia”

    http://www.newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=3437

    This is multiculturalism, and it’s only the tip of the iceberg.

    I know it’s a more Conservative or Neocon newspaper, but as if the ABC or The Age would print something like this, it’s against the ideological progressives world view and destroys the thought that humanistic secularism is all defeating and superior against the barbarians culture.

    As it stands I don’t believe that Muslims will have to much affect on Australian law and society unless their is a more so massive immigration here, like the cognitive Asian immigration.

  53. Iain Hall says:

    I don’t mind a bit of falafal from time to time either Mr B, in fact I like a lot of middle eastern cuisine.

    Oh yeah more than two links in a comment trips the moderation filter so can you please keep that in mind in future?
    thanks in advance

  54. alan says:

    yeah, you should have removed the link to that nutter Bill Muehlenberg.

  55. Berserker says:

    No worries, thanks for the moderation tip. I could of posted many more links, you know the usual multicultural stuff other then exotic cuisine, such as terror groups, funding for Jihad, female circumcision, labor ethnic vote stacking, though the liberals use it to, with other ethnics. I digress…

  56. Berserker says:

    Oh, Falafal and Tabbouleh(Tabouli) with hot chilli sauce is my favourite. 🙂 Levantine Arab cuisine, get in my belly. 😀

  57. kman says:

    Ah another fact packed post from Brian. I see.

    “Who cares? You make an assertion of fact and then when it is challenged, you mutter “oh who cares”. Sums up your whole pathetic argument.”
    Excuse me? I have been requesting you to answer a few questions and qoutes you atribute to me and now you try to turn the tables over one lousy comment.Incidentally that comment might be by Lenin but Stalin is the one most frequently associated with it.So get over it. And this one comment sums up my pathetic argument? Are you, shall we say a little mentally challenged and are you really in your forties?

    “Wingnut” ? Thanks for the compliment.
    When a lefty like you calls me a “wingnut” I know I am doing something right, just as I know whenever the Greens come out for something it will be a disaster for the country and that includes everything from immigration, trade, energy, defence, foriegn affairs and fiscal policies. So thanks for the compliment and I am sure the other “wingnuts” on this thread thank you as well.

    Case in point -the decision to remove John Howard’s Pacific Solution which was too inhumane for refugees so the left, Labor and the Greens decided to scrap it – How humane is causeing the deaths 1000 refugees?

    Another case in point.
    You lefties want to let loose hundreds of thousands of the most primitive,illeterate, barbaric. violent, superstitious people on the planet, from the most repressive countries into our first world cities and suburbs. This despite every government in Europe declaring that multiculrism was a failure. And you twits on the left actually believe that “we” can learn from the “diversity” of these cultures
    And unbelieveing the Greens wanted the asylum seekers in without any security checks at all. A year ago or so Greg Sheridan “The Australian” wrote …”It is absurd to slander the Australian people for being concerned about this unregulated flow of people, mostly from Afghanistan, the nation with perhaps the broadest and longest tradition of Islamist extremism.

    “The Federal Government announced it will pay community groups to identify young people involved in fanatical groups who pose potential terrorism threats.
    In an admission that the possibility of attack from inside our borders was now the most significant emerging threat, the Government will announce it has adopted major recommendations from its counter-terrorism White Paper.” As we know from the successful trials against terrorist plotters in Sydney, only the vigilance of our security and intelligence organisations have prevented some of these people carrying out horrific crimes, including launching attacks against crowds in iconic venues.

    You don’t believe that Europe is under any threat fom Muslims.
    Some of Sweden and Belgium’s largest cities now have Muslim majorities,the Swedes are simply being outbred while they allow large numbers of Muslims in to their country.And from London to Belgium “Mohammed is now the most common name in Europe for boys.

    Swedish Minister of Integration Jens Orback said ” “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
    Dutch politician Frits Bolkestein puts it, Muslim conquest by immigration has to do with the loss of confidence in one’s own civilization. … There is no clear European identity today.
    In other words, Europe is dying because it doesn’t believe in itself. Where once pride acted as an immune system to protect from external threats, now there is only the sanctimonious self-hatred known as liberalism.

    In the U.K., one in four young British born Muslims sympathises with terrorists. Nearly a third of British Muslims, 32 per cent, believe that “Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end”..And in Australia the quest for our national suicide through third world cultural diversity, tens of thousands of young Muslims males from Africa and the Middle East are pouring in by boat and plane to this country every year.
    But no worries, according to leftist know-it-all Brian.We are all just a bunch of wingnuts.
    Funny though that Brian can’t answer any of those questions I keep posing to him, including the qoutes he wrongly attributed to me,because I am a “Wingnut” I guess I am not worthy of a response.

    So fellow Wingnuts, as Brian has no credible arguements all, and all he does is toss in insults to cover his lack of any understanding on the issue at hand, I am outa here and i suggest you are wasting your time with this very immature leftist loser.
    Rant away Brian, I won’t be reading your drivel!

  58. Brian says:

    “kman”, I continue to give you paranoid xenophobic rants the respect they deserve, i.e. none. You are a buffoon hammering away at your keyboard hoping people will listen. But I for one am not.

    Beserker, like you I am a fan of Arab/Middle Eastern cuisine. Mind you I am also a fan of Italian, Greek, Mexican, Indian, Thai, Vietnamese, etc.

    As to the links you provide, my only answer is… so what? So a handful of Muslims in Australia make fundamentalist demands and/or break the law with regard to things like polygamy. This demonstrates very little. This is the underlying problem with this paranoid and dishonest Australia-is-under-threat-from-Muslims argument. It’s based on no evidence, other than incidental or anecdotal examples of a few “Muslims behaving badly”.

    There is no evidence, repeat, no evidence that Muslims are plotting in any number to take over Australia, its legal system, its marriage laws, or whatever. Sure, there may be a handful of fundamentalists who would like to. But they lack the numbers and support from the broader Muslim population, most of whom realise that living in Australia is a good thing and that to go down the al Qaeda path would make their lives very miserable indeed.

    As it stands I don’t believe that Muslims will have to much affect on Australian law and society unless their is a more so massive immigration here, like the cognitive Asian immigration.

    Well we are certainly agreed on that.

  59. Iain Hall says:

    Alan
    Bill Muehlenberg is far from being any sort of Nutter, unlike you…

  60. Berserker says:

    So Brian, you agree that mass cognitive Asian immigration will have an affect on Australian society and institutions. Interesting.

    Then you must admit the Muslim Suburbs will also have an affect on the local councils, also being the Muslims vote as a bloc, this affects state and federal elections, to a lesser degree. Interesting enough the majority Muslim votes Labor at the moment, the Labor NSW wipe out, Labor still held onto Muslim suburbs and only Muslim suburbs. Also note this ethnic vote bloc only needs 10 to 20% of the actual vote to affect political outcomes. As the Muslim vote increases one can draw the conclusion it will also affect the political policy formation. The day will come when Muslims as a majority will vote for conservatives.

    Interesting enough the Asian vote is now trending for the conservative side of politics already, as is the African…

    Labor even lost the Aboriginal vote in the NT.

    Interesting.

    My world view is local communities will rise as globalism falls, and those communities that do not reproduce themselves will fall into the dustbin of history. It’s hard to argue against the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

    Enjoy the decline as many Americans and Europeans already are. 🙂

  61. alan says:

    you’re simply reacting cos you don’t like me, which is fine by the way,
    but if you think bm is a rational decent human being, rather than a fruit cake, then you should be worried.

  62. Iain Hall says:

    Alan
    I am essentially indifferent to you, however experience has shown me that you are a creepy one trick pony who is most likely not even what you claim to be. On the other hand Bill writes well argued pieces in his own name and even when I disgree with his argumnets its easy to respect their sincerity

  63. GD says:

    lowercase alan said:

    you’re simply reacting cos you don’t like me

    snivel, snivel…

    Perhaps if you didn’t stalk Iain, visit his physical address, not only on google maps, but in person as you did, and then report it on his blog (how f*cked is that), he may have a modicum of respect for you. As it is, you have shown yourself to be a snivelling, whimpering lowlife who for reasons unknown has decided to target the owner of this blog.

    Is it any wonder Iain calls you

    a creepy one trick pony who is most likely not even what you claim to be

  64. alan says:

    gd i think we need to put you in the fruit cake department too.

    iain i don’t like because he has vilified somebody that can’t defend themselves, but apart from that, he does not worry me one little bit.
    besides, i have him sussed.

    you on the other hand, are lunacy personified.

    if you were out for a drive, and you just happened to be driving along, when the thought enters your mind…….”hey, isn’t this the area where the notoriously famous blogger mr hall resides?”
    “wow, i would love to see where he lives, i might take a slight detour to have a gander.”

    he should feel privileged that his fame has that affect on people.
    i did the same in freehold, new jersey, to see where “the boss” grew up.
    even did it for ramsay st, when my kids said we were near to there.
    and various other famous people!

    to call it stalking is laughable, and could only come from a VERY simple mind
    will i be stalking when i am on the great alpine road sometime in the near future, going over the top, and i pass the home of a sock puppet?

  65. Brian says:

    So Brian, you agree that mass cognitive Asian immigration will have an affect on Australian society and institutions.

    Well no, I was more agreeing with the first part of your statement. That Muslims don’t exist in numbers sufficient to change Australian law or society to any significant extent. Yes, maybe Muslims could shape local elections in some suburbs. But that’s about the limit of it. I’m not sure how Muslims, Asians or any other ethnic group are inclined to vote in terms of parties, and I don’t think it really matters.

    “GD”, why don’t you grow up and grow a brain, instead of dropping in here in the middle of hte night to abuse others and give the general impression of the resident blog tit-head?

  66. Iain Hall says:

    iain i don’t like because he has vilified somebody that can’t defend themselves,

    Who precisely would that be Alan?

  67. Berserker says:

    Wow just wow, Brian that’s a rather supremacist attitude that populations of Asians and Muslims votes don’t really matter. Are you apart of the KKK or a closet racist or something?

  68. Brian says:

    You either can’t read or you’re being disingenuous.

    I didn’t say they don’t matter; I said they don’t have the numbers to reorder Australian law, politics and society. That’s how democracy works, as Iain points out on another post.

  69. Berserker says:

    Ok, you got me being disingenuous, it was fun though. You did indicate Asian and Muslim votes don’t matter, I disagree as a minority can swing a seat. The minority swing vote may depend on certain policy demands. Such as the Asian and Africans on border protection policy and Aboriginals in the NT when it comes to how their communities are managed. So minority votes do matter, and it’s disparaging to say otherwise.

    In some cases the majority voting public doesn’t matter at all, that can be seen in the revoking of white Australia policy being it was a top down approach, not to be voted on by the people. In fact immigration since white Australian policy has never been put to the Australian people apart form the illegal boat people.

    So what happens to our Australian democracy if mass immigration continues?

  70. Iain Hall says:

    still waiting for an answer to my question Alan

  71. GD says:

    Berserker asked:

    So what happens to our Australian democracy if mass immigration continues?

    This is a similar question to one that the Greens and Labor never want to answer: how many refugees can we take?

    Of course, if our immigration program expands, as it is about to do, and our intake of refugees, without any identification, continues to rise, we are changing the demographic of Australia. And ‘little by little, slowly, slowly’, as the Armenians say, the tide will turn in the electorate; the thin edge of the wedge, as it were. Just as in Howard’s electorate of Bennelong in 2007, the increased Asian population helped vote him out of office, this increased presence of Arab Muslims in Western Sydney will come to hold sway over the electorates of Bankstown and Auburn.

    It was, however, gratifying to see the same Asian demographic in Bennelong who voted against John Howard unequivocally voting out Labor’s ‘Joanie Come Lately’ Maxine McKew in favour of the next Liberal candidate. I guess Asians are more astute than hothead Muslims.

  72. Berserker says:

    Yet the Asians still vote in a majority ethnic vote bloc, in other words Asians and Muslims on a collective basis try their hardest to maintain their culture and ethnicity. The old weaponised “solvent” of anthropology based on Franz Boas used by our progressive institutions has little effect on them. So these ethnic vote blocs will only vote what is good for them, not necessarily what is for the common good.

    So what happens in 30 to 50 years time when we become a minority, majority country, as this mass immigration continues?

    By the way I doubt we’ll get to this point of minority, majority if you look at what is happening in Europe, what is politically and economically happening in Greece. Well as I said it’ll start in the USA and Europe. The next 10 to 20 years will be very interesting and the saying “Never again” will be forgotten very quickly in these disintegrating post global economies, while they ditch the global international bankers.

  73. GD says:

    I’m not against immigration. I reckon we should bring back the ‘ten pound pom’ scheme.
    I mean, look what you get with ten pounds these days.

  74. Iain Hall says:

    yes GD you get quality bloggers like Moi 😉

  75. GD says:

    Gee, you’re up late, Iain. You better be careful or else Brian will take you to task. He’s always on at me for commenting at 3am. I guess I keep him awake.

    Perhaps this will help him. He’s always saying how ‘many more years’ he has under his belt than other commenters so I reckon he’ll enjoy a nice cup of warm milk and a good lie down.

  76. Brian says:

    He’s always saying how ‘many more years’ he has under his belt than other commenters

    You are a liar. I’ve mentioned my age once. And even then I was responding to this little jibe, which came from you:

    Your opinions of Pickering’s 70s and 80′s political cartoons have no bearing on this discussion. They were very funny, to all involved. Were you even around then? Probably still in short pants at primary school.

    I’d suggest (again) that you’d get your facts right, but given your history, I don’t think facts are of much importance to you.

  77. GD says:

    Oh Brian, lighten up will you. It’s Ovaltine for god’s sake, get over it!

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