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I am very far from being any sort of sports nut, usually the idea of sitting down and watching any kind of game on the TV is just too painful to contemplate and yet my daughter has had me watching the State of Origin series this year and boy did I enjoy the match last night!

Clearly the best team won, but what would you expect? After all they are all QUEENSLANDERS!!!!

One thing that did blow me away last night was just how well my daughter understands the rules of the game which was something I was not really expecting given how uninterested in sport we are here at Chez Hall.
I look forward to this time next year when the mighty Maroons stand a better than even chance of making it eight in a row.

Very loud Cheers indeed Comrades

How our flag /should/ be.

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12 Comments

  1. GD says:

    I share your chagrin, Iain. No matter how much you care, sometimes your young ones will run off the rails. At least it’s football, and not Young Labor. Be thankful for small mercies. I do sympathise.

    Or did I miss the point of this post?

  2. Iain Hall says:

    I don’t think that my daughter will ever join young Labor GD but it is quite surprising just how much they absorb and learn from people other than yourself,
    My son went to the Movies with his Nana yesterday and I had a short chat with her in the lobby of the cinema and I was rather surprised to hear her talking about the Boat people issue, I was surprised because she has been a life long Labor Voter and she was whithering in her criticism of Gillard and Labor and I suspect now ready to vote against them at the next election. She said that she can no longer recognise the Labor party that she has voted for all of her life. As I see it if life long Labor voters like her are abandoning the party they are truly damned, When I suggested that there might be a coup she was very keen to say that Labor should just go to the Polls now and get it over with.

  3. alan says:

    “She said that she can no longer recognise the Labor party that she has voted for all of her life.”

    Perfectly true it is too.
    Labor are far more right than any Liberal government prior to the rodent’s.
    They have lost their way.

  4. Iain Hall says:

    You are kidding Alan!

    What my Mother in law was lamenting is that the Labor party have become prisoners to the extreme left agenda of the Greens et al.

  5. Craigy says:

    You mean that extreme left agenda, like the carbon price that Abbott and Howard supported but Abbott has now abandoned for political reasons?

    How could any sane person think that Abbott is any better than the right leaning ALP? It’s beyond me to understand the buckets of stupid and hypocrisy in attacking Labor and voting for Abbott.

    Please make a logical argument why Abbott will be better Iain and put me out of my misery, because I’m yet to read one here or anywhere else.

    Oh and well done Queensland, I’m sure my Queenslander son will be very happy…..League is a boring game though the S of O is usually the better form. It just needs a bit of time to develop some history.

  6. Iain Hall says:

    You mean that extreme left agenda, like the carbon price that Abbott and Howard supported but Abbott has now abandoned for political reasons?

    No Craigy an extreme left agenda that throws open our borders and abandons the notion that we can choose who comes to this country, Changing the marriage act,ect ect.

    How could any sane person think that Abbott is any better than the right leaning ALP? It’s beyond me to understand the buckets of stupid and hypocrisy in attacking Labor and voting for Abbott.

    How could a sane person think otherwise Craigy? Really? Name one thing that this government has done that is unequivically good in its inception and delivery.

    Please make a logical argument why Abbott will be better Iain and put me out of my misery, because I’m yet to read one here or anywhere else.

    He is not a member of the ALP Craigy you can’t do much better than that when it comes down to it.

    Oh and well done Queensland, I’m sure my Queenslander son will be very happy…..League is a boring game though the S of O is usually the better form. It just needs a bit of time to develop some history.

    Well as an non-beliver in the four stick faith I disagree it is more brutal than AFL but that is part of its charm after all what’s not to like about boofy blokes going for the bif?

  7. Craigy says:

    Boy, you got all that so wrong Iain.

    “No Craigy an extreme left agenda that throws open our borders and abandons the notion that we can choose who comes to this country”

    No notion is being changed Iain, Australia has signed up to except and process those seeking asylum, it’s only those politicians playing the racist, fear-card that want us to go against our commitments and make life even more miserable for these desperate people. We look like tools in the rest of the world as we abandon our compassion and promises’ for political gain.

    “..Changing the marriage act “

    No Iain, John Howard did that. Marriage won’t be affected by changing it back, I don’t know what you are so afraid of.

    “Name one thing that this government has done that is unequivically good in its inception and delivery.”

    Thanks for the free kick Iain. The current Government has a PR problem that’s for sure, but they will be judged by their policy achievements. Clearly they have kept the economy strong in the face of the worst conditions in many years. Abbott’s policies would have us in a severe recession now, many leading economists from around the world agree on this. The mining profits tax and the carbon price are policies that have a very positive impact on the lives of all of us, regardless of the scare campaigns run by Abbott and News Ltd……And that’s just the start of the list.

    “He is not a member of the ALP Craigy… “

    So you’re a welded on ideologue….Its better to look at things with an open mind Iain. I agree that some ALP policy sucks but they have kept us out of recession and have shown that they are good managers of the economy. Clearly their most important role if you are a conservative?

    “what’s not to like about boofy blokes going for the bif?”

    I don’t mind physical sport, but League is repetitive, the skills are nowhere near as complex as AFL and watching the game live lacks atmosphere (probably why the numbers are a fraction of the AFL).

    That said, the last really great games were the state of origin back when Mal Meninga was playing, if they could play like that again I might even watch it…..Most of the time they look like they are just going through the motions….Put it on the ground, pick it up, run, get tackled, fall down, repeat 5 times then start again……Boring mate!

  8. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy

    Boy, you got all that so wrong Iain.

    Nah I don’t think that I have 😉

    No notion is being changed Iain, Australia has signed up to except and process those seeking asylum, it’s only those politicians playing the racist, fear-card that want us to go against our commitments and make life even more miserable for these desperate people. We look like tools in the rest of the world as we abandon our compassion and promises’ for political gain.

    What it boils down to craigy is are they “refugees” or are they economic migrants flying an “asylum seeker” flag of convenience” ? If they are the former then we do have an obligation (that can be refuted by an act of parliament) but if they are the latter we have no obligation to offer them anything but a quick trip back to where they have come from.

    No Iain, John Howard did that. Marriage won’t be affected by changing it back, I don’t know what you are so afraid of.

    You are wrong Craigy John Howard, with the support of almost all MPs in the house changed the act to clarify a percieved ambiguity in the act.

    Name one thing that this government has done that is unequivocally good in its inception and delivery.

    Thanks for the free kick Iain. The current Government has a PR problem that’s for sure, but they will be judged by their policy achievements. Clearly they have kept the economy strong in the face of the worst conditions in many years. Abbott’s policies would have us in a severe recession now, many leading economists from around the world agree on this. The mining profits tax and the carbon price are policies that have a very positive impact on the lives of all of us, regardless of the scare campaigns run by Abbott and News Ltd……And that’s just the start of the list.

    I see a great deal of equivocation in your answer Craigy!

    The Carbon TAX can not be described as being good in any way shape or form and it is absolutely killing Labor, The mining tax may yet be struck down by the courts and how can it be “unequivocally good ” if it makes or mines less competitive or if it robs states like Queensland of mining the mining royalties that we need to build the infrastructure for the growth that the mines create?
    “He is not a member of the ALP Craigy… “

    So you’re a welded on ideologue….Its better to look at things with an open mind Iain. I agree that some ALP policy sucks but they have kept us out of recession and have shown that they are good managers of the economy. Clearly their most important role if you are a conservative?

    Craigy a good manager would not take a bank balance that was well and truly in the black and turn it ito a massive deficit in just four years

    “what’s not to like about boofy blokes going for the bif?”

    I don’t mind physical sport, but League is repetitive, the skills are nowhere near as complex as AFL and watching the game live lacks atmosphere (probably why the numbers are a fraction of the AFL).

    Really? I have tried to watch AFL (hat tip to Ray who is still feeling crook)and it is hardly more skilful, its just different. In any event who says that complexity in a sport is a virtue? Rugby is simple you get the ball and try to put it down past the goal line at the other end of the field, the scoring is comprehensible the team with the most points wins

    That said, the last really great games were the state of origin back when Mal Meninga was playing, if they could play like that again I might even watch it…..Most of the time they look like they are just going through the motions….Put it on the ground, pick it up, run, get tackled, fall down, repeat 5 times then start again……Boring mate!

    Well you missed a really gripping game last Wednesday

  9. Craigy says:

    “Nah I don’t think that I have…

    What it boils down to craigy is are they “refugees” or are they economic migrants”

    So in refuting the fact that you got it all wrong you move the goal posts…..

    They are refugees if they are found to be by our Government. You well know that the vast majority, including all those sent to Nauru by Howard, have been found to be genuine refugees. If they are not found to be genuine they are sent back. So your attempt to move the goal posts to what is a moot point doesn’t demonstrate you got anything right in your fisk.

    “You are wrong Craigy John Howard, with the support of almost all MPs in the house changed the act to clarify a percieved ambiguity in the act.”

    So you say I’m wrong and then prove I’m right by confirming it was Howard who changed the marriage act. It seems I am the conservative here, I think the act was fine as it was, you support the change Howard made to the act, so as to entrench the homophobic discrimination so loved by the Libs.

    “Craigy a good manager would not take a bank balance that was well and truly in the black and turn it ito a massive deficit in just four years”

    See how wrong you are here by just observing the world and our current sustained success, acknowledged by conservative economists across the globe as being due to the good management decisions of this government, like the stimulus spending apposed by Abbott.

    I mean really, you support Abbots policy? One that would have us in recession like the rest of the world? Some economic conservative you are, even the Tories in the UK have praised our governments handling of the crisis. Of course we aren’t in the black, the world economies melted down, didn’t you see that?

    “Rugby is simple”

    Yet not as skilful as AFL? You contradicted yourself in one paragraph Iain. As you said, they pick up the ball and run, kick it once in a while (badly) and throw the ball to each other……Compared to AFL which has all the skills of League along with high marking, handball, much more complex game skills (due to the lack of an offside rule), jumping and tapping (ruck contests), accurate long distance kicking and passing……I could go on but I think I’ve made my point…….Oh and I did watch some off the game, till I got bored…….

    Still, it’s fun to watch sport with your kids….IMHO.

  10. Iain Hall says:

    So in refuting the fact that you got it all wrong you move the goal posts…..

    They are refugees if they are found to be by our Government. You well know that the vast majority, including all those sent to Nauru by Howard, have been found to be genuine refugees. If they are not found to be genuine they are sent back. So your attempt to move the goal posts to what is a moot point doesn’t demonstrate you got anything right in your fisk.

    Give us a break Craigy since the Rudd rush the percentage of claimants found to be genuine has dropped substantially but it is certainly not “moving the goal posts” to question how many of this latest cohort are genuine even if earlier waves have been deemed to be so.

    So you say I’m wrong and then prove I’m right by confirming it was Howard who changed the marriage act. It seems I am the conservative here, I think the act was fine as it was, you support the change Howard made to the act, so as to entrench the homophobic discrimination so loved by the Libs.

    When it is almost all of the members of the house who supported the changes it is not valid to keep insisting that it was just John Howard who made the decision

    See how wrong you are here by just observing the world and our current sustained success, acknowledged by conservative economists across the globe as being due to the good management decisions of this government, like the stimulus spending opposed by Abbott.

    You know the problem with your argument is that you ignore the fine starting position that Labor started with when they got into power and we both know that it was that rather than an good governance from Labor that saved our bacon, Further the problem with Labor’s stimulus was not that it existed but that it was hastily conceived , poorly targeted and left to run for too long.

    I mean really, you support Abbots policy? One that would have us in recession like the rest of the world? Some economic conservative you are, even the Tories in the UK have praised our governments handling of the crisis. Of course we aren’t in the black, the world economies melted down, didn’t you see that?

    Its moot to whine on about any proposal made by Tony Abbott because that circumstance was then and this is now and we can’t go back in time. I’m more concerned just how Abbot is going to be able to pay down the debt that Labor have run up while they have been in g9overnment. Its really a bit like discovering that your partner has run up a huge bill on the plastic and discovering that you have to pay for it.

    “Rugby is simple”

    Yet not as skilful as AFL? You contradicted yourself in one paragraph Iain. As you said, they pick up the ball and run, kick it once in a while (badly) and throw the ball to each other……Compared to AFL which has all the skills of League along with high marking, handball, much more complex game skills (due to the lack of an offside rule), jumping and tapping (ruck contests), accurate long distance kicking and passing……I could go on but I think I’ve made my point…….Oh and I did watch some off the game, till I got bored…….

    Still, it’s fun to watch sport with your kids….IMHO.

    The game is indeed simple in its concept but that does not mean that playing it lacks skill there are clearly tactics and team work I really think that there is an elegance top its simplicity where as AFL seems to be all over the place with incomprehensible rules a totally stupid scoring system that requires four goal posts and three sets of numbers and a level of tribalism that is fortunately rather less severe in Rugby league.

    Its just fun to do anything with your kids heck I can even enjoy hanging with my boy while he plays “transformers” on the PS3

  11. Craigy says:

    “Give us a break Craigy since the Rudd rush the percentage of claimants found to be genuine has dropped substantially but it is certainly not “moving the goal posts” to question how many of this latest cohort are genuine even if earlier waves have been deemed to be so.”

    You can question how many are genuine if you like Iain and you are correct that some are found not to be, what you are ignoring is that only those found to be genuine get to stay, so as I said, complaining that some may not be genuine is a moot point and just an attempt to move the discussion away from the fact that you got that wrong.

    “When it is almost all of the members of the house who supported the changes it is not valid to keep insisting that it was just John Howard who made the decision “

    Again you change the subject because you got it wrong. You claimed we want to change the marriage act when it was the Howard government who did that, just admit you got it wrong, it doesn’t hurt.

    “You know the problem with your argument is that you ignore the fine starting position that Labor started with when they got into power and we both know that it was that rather than an good governance from Labor that saved our bacon, Further the problem with Labor’s stimulus was not that it existed but that it was hastily conceived , poorly targeted and left to run for too long. “

    How could it be a problem with my argument when I never argued that at all? Of course I acknowledge that Howard left a surplus (as Ray has pointed out he did very little infrastructure building) that gave Labor the flexibility to spend to keep us out of recession. As for how that was spent, every inquiry has found that the spending was worth while and this is acknowledged by economists around the world. When you become an expert economist working for the Tory government in the UK, I will accept your assertion that it was all a stuff-up, until then I will take your opinion as that of a blinkered ideologue.

    “Its moot to whine on about any proposal made by Tony Abbott because that circumstance was then and this is now and we can’t go back in time. I’m more concerned just how Abbot is going to be able to pay down the debt that Labor have run up while they have been in g9overnment. Its really a bit like discovering that your partner has run up a huge bill on the plastic and discovering that you have to pay for it. “

    Ummm….What debt? The budget has us in surplus. If we do wind up with some small deficit we will still be miles ahead of any other country in terms of fiscal position. Why are you talking down our obvious success? Oh that’s right, Tony told you to…..As I said, your blinkered and closed mind is not allowing you to see the positives and it’s making you unnecessarily scared.

    Don’t worry Iain, our economy is doing fine and will be till the next election where we risk stuffing up big time by the election of Abbott the destroyer and his return to workchoices, removal of the tax cuts and the return of billions to those poor miners. That you find these policies to your liking is surprising to me.

    “AFL seems to be all over the place with incomprehensible rules a totally stupid scoring system that requires four goal posts and three sets of numbers and a level of tribalism that is fortunately rather less severe in Rugby league. “

    I didn’t say it lacks skills Iain, verballing seems to be your style these days….It is just that League requires a smaller skill set that AFL clearly. As for the rules being hard to follow, well, you are a Queenslander!…….Your brain must explode trying to watch American football?…..But really, it’s not that hard to follow if you try……Cheers.

  12. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy

    You can question how many are genuine if you like Iain and you are correct that some are found not to be, what you are ignoring is that only those found to be genuine get to stay, so as I said, complaining that some may not be genuine is a moot point and just an attempt to move the discussion away from the fact that you got that wrong.

    As I’ve pointed out many times the UN Criteria that decides who is or is not a refugee is far too subjective and easily rorted there was a chap on Richard Feidler’s conversations who used to manage Villawood who had a rather amazing anecdote about how they used to tape interviews with claimants and give them copies of the interview tape until they discovered that those who were successful were passing on the tapes to other claimants who would learn the story off pat so that they could use it to talk their way in. Call me a cynic if you like but that does not say much about how genuine many of the claimants are

    Again you change the subject because you got it wrong. You claimed we want to change the marriage act when it was the Howard government who did that, just admit you got it wrong, it doesn’t hurt.

    Can we just call it a draw on this point? I was talking about the way that Activists like our learned friend want to change the Marriage act from how it stands now to include same sex couples and you were being a smart arse about the fact that it was clarified by John Howard,frankly that sort of arguing at cross purposes

    Ummm….What debt? The budget has us in surplus. If we do wind up with some small deficit we will still be miles ahead of any other country in terms of fiscal position. Why are you talking down our obvious success? Oh that’s right, Tony told you to…..As I said, your blinkered and closed mind is not allowing you to see the positives and it’s making you unnecessarily scared.

    No it doesn’t! the latest Swan budget predicts a very small surplus in the near future which still leaves us with all of the debt that Labor has incurred in the last four years which still has to be paid down eventually

    Don’t worry Iain, our economy is doing fine and will be till the next election where we risk stuffing up big time by the election of Abbott the destroyer and his return to workchoices, removal of the tax cuts and the return of billions to those poor miners. That you find these policies to your liking is surprising to me.

    No body really believes that! Not even Tony Abbott in his most private moments wants to resurrect a policy that did Howard in. Is industrial relations perfect under Gillard’s scheme? Hmm I think not so naturally some tweaking may be needed but your scare tactics about work choices just won’t fly!

    I didn’t say it lacks skills Iain, verballing seems to be your style these days….It is just that League requires a smaller skill set that AFL clearly. As for the rules being hard to follow, well, you are a Queenslander!…….Your brain must explode trying to watch American football?…..But really, it’s not that hard to follow if you try……Cheers.

    I would not even try to comprehend Gridiron its a pansy’s form of rugby as far as I can see!

    I am sure that I could come to grips with the rules of AFL if I wanted to but frankly I’m happy to devote three evenings a year to watching sport and anymore than that might make me lose the will to live 😉

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