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Jo Chandler’s prospects after the axefest at Fairfax

So the axe is going to fall on Fairfax, and form the look of things its going to fall hard, I can’t say that I’m that surprised that they are going to take to their expensive infrastructure and substantially reduce their overheads by reducing their staff by 1900.

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Of course the influence of Gina Reinhardt may even bring Fairfax a bit closer to the centre politically and won’t that set up a wailing and moaning in the latte belts of both Sydney and Melbourne ? One would hope that they hold onto their best journalists but maybe they can take this as an opportunity to shed some under-performing ‘senior writers” Like Jo Chandler. Its very clear   though that there are  writers at Fairfax who are worth reading and its inevitable that Fairfax will consolidate their titles published in different cities into a single entity eventually, after all so much of the content is shared across the empire anyway.

I can’t help wondering just what  Ex Fairfax staff will do with themselves  once they have collected that final pay cheque, after-all in a  shrinking sector they can’t all expect to find new gigs as journalists, some may try the old standby of writing books (that however may result only in failure) others may try to turn their dalliances with the internet into a money spinner but its hard to see how they can make a quid out of that especially if their previous experience on the net was to harass and stalk humble bloggers who happened to disagree with them about politics and anonymity on the net.

Oh well perhaps they need to get some ruby slippers and hope that when the click them together and say “there is no place like home”  and be thankful that they can draw upon their potential inheritance while they dream their Marxist dreams and sip  a Chai latte while avoiding being caught in the rain (because it plays havoc with their hair)

Cheers Comrades

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34 Comments

  1. deknarf says:

    Ian, Are you telling me that Fairfax is a lefty paper? Surely you jest? Pull up your tent mighty Atilla and go back to your friends at The Australian! 😉

  2. Iain Hall says:

    Do you mean that its Not????
    O may I may be in trouble then!
    Thanks for dropping by and Welcome to the Sandpit!

  3. GD says:

    The leftist elite see the Age as mainstream, similarly the ABC. That to them is ‘balanced reporting’. Fortunately the majority of Australians don’t agree. They see the Age as a paper without one conservative writer on staff, and the ABC as a TV station without one conservative presenter, editor or producer. To boot, the ABC talk shows, forums or panel shows always have a four to one balance of guests in favour of the left.

    The Insiders and Q & A are blatant examples of this charade.

    The only reason the ABC isn’t failing is because taxpayers are compelled to pay for this leftist tripe. Fairfax is failing for a number of reasons, and the one they are not addressing is that their content is one-sided, one-eyed and badly reported.

    News Ltd has more leftist writers than the Age/SMH has conservative writers, yet leftists call News Ltd the hate media.

    It seems the luvvies can’t cope with the fact that, without government subsidy, ie ABC, their voice isn’t the voice most people want to hear.

    Still, there’s always the Green Left Weekly, although when I had a look it was a load of old communist codswallop parading as environmental concern.

  4. Ray Dixon says:

    the ABC talk shows, forums or panel shows always have a four to one balance of guests in favour of the left. The Insiders and Q & A are blatant examples of this charade.

    Geezus you talk tripe sometimes, GD. Have you ever watched Q & A? At the start of the show they always put the break-up of the audience (in political leanings) on the screen and it’s nearly always about 50/50. Tonight, for instance, was something like 23% Labor, 25 % Greens and 48% Coalition. And they regularly feature coalition members and right wing journos on the panel. Tonight they had Jo Hildebrand from the DT and Pru Goward from the State Liberal Party. There were no other pollies or politically involved people … unless you think Lenny Henry represents lefty pommy blacks. Wake up and smell the coffee, mate.

    Iain, unfortunately most of those job losses at Fairfax are likely to be in production (they’re closing two factories). Chandler might survive. After all, who else knows the goings on in the Fuzzy Wuzzy tribes of New Guinea? And I don’t think she’d dare go online under her own name.

  5. Richard Ryan says:

    When I want fact I switch to the ABC—–when I want fiction, I flick over to Hadley, or man– bag Jones.

  6. Richard Ryan says:

    AND when I want moronic comments, I log onto Bolt and his mob of bloggers.

  7. Iain Hall says:

    and when you want wisdom and truth you obviously drop into the Sandpit 😉

  8. Ray Dixon says:

    Chandler v Rinehart

    Separated at birth?

  9. Iain Hall says:

    That is a scary though there Ray although one is certainly far less attractive as a person… and her name does not start with G

  10. Ray Dixon says:

    But her other name does.

  11. Iain Hall says:

    Well there is that Ray 😆

    On a related issue saw this opinion on the Punch thread and I could not help thinking that its from own own Craigy:

    Craig says:

    09:15pm | 18/06/12

    Actually journalists are not that employable in other communications disciplines.

    They tend to be arrogant, opinionated and poor at working in teams. They have no leadership or project management skills, a poor grasp of communications planning or campaign management and, realistically, are poorly suited for working in an organisation whose focus is on substance rather than style.

    I have a lot of friends in the communications industry who will not hire ex-journalists due to how much trouble they cause in the workplace. They can be very divisive in teams, though quite decent solo performers where workplaces need soloists.

    Mind you ex-journos are more likely to find jobs than ex-printing press operators, who will need to reskill entirely!

  12. Craigy says:

    Not me Iain. I wouldn’t generalise like that. I think Eddie McGuire proves Craig’s post is wrong……

    Gidday by the way….It was a funny coincidence that you mention me today, as I had a peek at the sandpit having not done so for a while. I like your daughters car project, but a Morris Minor?…It does look cool to me, though I don’t know how she’ll go down at Mooloolaba – amongst all the BMW’s and Merc’s 🙂 …..She is a lucky girl.

  13. Iain Hall says:

    Yeah I’m making progress on the car, yesterday I cut the entire floor out of the body and its now sitting on a purpose built trolley on my veranda and I now have the diff and rear springs in the chassis. My daughter will be cool as in the Morris and I bet it gets more attention that Merc’s and Beemers

  14. alan says:

    “Mind you ex-journos are more likely to find jobs than ex-printing press operators, who will need to reskill entirely!”

    not at all, all those brochures that flood your letterboxes are printed in the same way basically(web offset).
    or they could even shift to sheet fed as it’s more or less the same principal, and their qualifications would enable them to do either.
    and yes i am a qualified printer(lithographic), although its forever since i have done it.

    as for the ex-journos if they are anything like news ltd, then they don’t hire them any more, so wouldn’t have many anyway.

  15. GD says:

    Ray said

    And they regularly feature coalition members and right wing journos on the panel.

    Gee, that’s big of them, considering the host is a lefty, and all other panelists, other than the obligatory sacrificial conservative lamb thrown to the slaughter, are lefties. Yes, you got got me with Monday’s show. I haven’t watched it yet. However, one swallow a summer does not make. Often the conservative quotient of the panel is lefty friendly. Take for example (retired) John Hewson who appeared as the token conservative on that disgusting episode recently that threw scorn and personal vituperation on Gina Rinehart, all because she was successful and fat. Great episode that.

    Malcolm Fraser is another example of a ‘conservative’ guest. Malcolm stopped being conservative when he opened our borders to all and sundry. Thirty years later he still supports that policy, along with today’s Greens and refugee activists.

    These tired ex-liberals are trotted out regularly on Q&A to fill out the panel.

    However, Ray, you haven’t addressed any of the other points I made in my comment. Jumping in with a ‘Geezus you talk tripe’ is hardly a rebuttal of my comment.

  16. Iain Hall says:

    Well Ray I must say that I agree with GD on the nature of Q&A because its not just the profile of the audience that matters when it comes to being even handed its also the questions that are chosen (by the left wing producers) its also the way that Jones moderates the debate. That said It can be an entertaining show which is after the point of any TV offering.

  17. Craigy says:

    You know Iain, I’m completely sick of the left vs right arguments. I know I have been as guilty as anyone in creating this divide, though I have come to the position that this just destroys real debate. For a while I found it fun to take a side, but over time it is clear that you just get a shouting match. This just makes all of us look silly.

    Take for example your assertion that the ‘Q and A’ producers are left wing. It’s just plain silly. You and I don’t know these people so to label all they do at the ABC or the Age as leftist and to be ignored, is just a statement that minds are closed.

    Australia does not have and has never had a Socialist or extreme leftist Government or an extreme rightist or Nazi one. None of our popular media could be called ‘leftist’ and none of those who own and operate it are Socialists or Communists, while they may have one or two on staff. In the same way, I don’t think all of those writing in the Murdoch media are extreme rightists or Nazis, although they may employ one or two who lean that way.

    While it seems a waste of time to try and debate with extremists on the web, those reasonable people around, with a moderate right or left leaning, should be able to get along while arguing their views on politics and society.

    You seem happy to accommodate all comers Iain and you should be commended for that. Many on the moderate right support things like the mining tax and a price on carbon, Government regulation of markets and a proper welfare system and I don’t know any on the moderate left who want to abandon capitalism and the freedoms we enjoy and have us living under some toxic system.

    By living in a world where extreme views are seen as normal, we move away from the vast majority of Australians who, from Greens voters to those who vote for the National party, are not that far apart.

    You and I have had some good debates over the years, a bit shrill at the start, but I think we have more in common than we would like to admit and over time I have found it hard to get angry at our differences while still disagreeing with many of your views. I guess this is a positive for me and justifies the time I spend at the much maligned sandpit.

    By the way, how do you know Jo Chandler is Bridgit Gread, your long time enemy? What if you’re wrong? You have gone at her quite hard of late. You must admit that you both behaved badly in the past, isn’t it better just to let it go?……

  18. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy

    You know Iain, I’m completely sick of the left vs right arguments. I know I have been as guilty as anyone in creating this divide, though I have come to the position that this just destroys real debate. For a while I found it fun to take a side, but over time it is clear that you just get a shouting match. This just makes all of us look silly.

    Well I do try to be rather light hearted about it to be honest, and I really use it a descriptive short hand as much as anything else. You know some of my best friends are lefties and I have no trouble staying friends with them.

    Take for example your assertion that the ‘Q and A’ producers are left wing. It’s just plain silly. You and I don’t know these people so to label all they do at the ABC or the Age as leftist and to be ignored, is just a statement that minds are closed.

    Hmm I appreciate what you are saying but given the well known tendency of those who work for auntie to be of a leftist tendency what are the chances of any of them being liberal voters?

    Australia does not have and has never had a Socialist or extreme leftist Government or an extreme rightist or Nazi one. None of our popular media could be called ‘leftist’ and none of those who own and operate it are Socialists or Communists, while they may have one or two on staff. In the same way, I don’t think all of those writing in the Murdoch media are extreme rightists or Nazis, although they may employ one or two who lean that way.

    Sure I can dig that way of seeing things and frankly I don’t care that much where any individual stands on the political spectrum when it comes to journalists I value wit and style far more than I value ideological purity.

    While it seems a waste of time to try and debate with extremists on the web, those reasonable people around, with a moderate right or left leaning, should be able to get along while arguing their views on politics and society.

    ABSOLUTELY agree with that Craigy!!

    You seem happy to accommodate all comers Iain and you should be commended for that. Many on the moderate right support things like the mining tax and a price on carbon, Government regulation of markets and a proper welfare system and I don’t know any on the moderate left who want to abandon capitalism and the freedoms we enjoy and have us living under some toxic system.

    Im with you there except for the Carbon tax and maybe the mining tax I’m still not sure about that one.

    By living in a world where extreme views are seen as normal, we move away from the vast majority of Australians who, from Greens voters to those who vote for the National party, are not that far apart.

    I think that commenting on line does tend to make the most moderate people appear far more extreme than they actaully are in “real life” where its easier to find that common ground.

    You and I have had some good debates over the years, a bit shrill at the start, but I think we have more in common than we would like to admit and over time I have found it hard to get angry at our differences while still disagreeing with many of your views. I guess this is a positive for me and justifies the time I spend at the much maligned sandpit.

    Well one of the nice things about commenting at the same place long term is that you develop a rapport with your interlocutors much as you and I have here. As for the reputation of this blog I get positive feedback about it more than I get negative so I reckon it can’t be that bad.

    By the way, how do you know Jo Chandler is Bridgit Gread, your long time enemy? What if you’re wrong? You have gone at her quite hard of late. You must admit that you both behaved badly in the past, isn’t it better just to let it go?……

    Well the “Gread” identity is entirely dead, the twitter account in that name is utterly silent, further the last email sent to the Gread email address got a strange response from someone claiming to be her husband threading to drive form Melbourne to Bright and beat Ray up that is rather damning in my book. But to answer you question about evidence the best that I can say is that our media landscape is not that big that the things claimed by “Gread” about her real life would match the publicly available profile of many Melbourne female journalists and “authors”.

  19. Ray Dixon says:

    how do you know Jo Chandler is Bridgit Gread …. What if you’re wrong?.

    Because there is a wealth of evidence to support it.Don’t you think that she and The Age would have demanded take downs by now if we were wrong? Not a word.

    And I certainly haven’t engaged in any “bad behaviour”, Craigy. What on earth are you insinuating (again)?

    Anyway, I reckon Iain might let it all go if only she had the decency to make her own admission and offer an apology for the years of abuse, harassment and (quite frankly) stalking. I’d be happy to accept one made privately with no public disclosure on my part. In fact I asked her to do that but all I got back was that threatening email that Iain referred to above. Until then she’s fair game.

  20. Craigy says:

    Thanks for your good grace in your reply Iain. Just one point about the ABC:

    “what are the chances of any of them being liberal voters?”

    Having worked with ABC people (crews, producers, presenters etc.) over the years, I can say from my experience that they are as varied politically as the rest of the population. While they have some high profile supporters of the ALP amongst their numbers, they could hardly be called ‘Leftists’ or ‘Socialists’. If they are so ‘left’ why are they not boosting the Greens (if the Greens are the most leftist party in this country)? In fact the ABC has produced candidates for both major parties and behind the scenes I can confirm there is no leftwing group think, it’s just like any workplace really….. That the ABC is full of Leftists is a myth.

    That said, I think there are reasons why the ABC can SEEM more left than other media outlets, like the charter that keeps them from being commercial or mentioning commercial interests in some cases. We don’t, for example, hear as many complaints about SBS being leftist since they started running advertising.

    These days we hear more complaints about the ABC favoring Tony Abbott and I more often hear Melbourne ABC radio host John Faine called a conservative than a lefty.

    I think in the case of the ABC the bias is often in the eyes or ears of the viewer/listener. All recent inquiries into the ABC have found no evidence of systematic bias either way.

    On the topic of this post, it seems that we may see some new novelists writing their first book coming from the News ltd stable as well…..Tough times in the print media.

  21. Ray Dixon says:

    you haven’t addressed any of the other points I made in my comment. Jumping in with a ‘Geezus you talk tripe’ is hardly a rebuttal of my comment

    Okay, GD, I’ll address the other part of your comment, which was about The Age being an unbalanced ‘leftist’ publication: That was utter tripe too.

    You see, it’s not exactly hard to rebutt an argument that is so blatantly false and politically biased like yours was. All it requires (and deserves) is derision.

  22. Craigy says:

    Ray, I wasn’t talking about you. If I am including you in my comments I’ll use your name. I am not insinuating anything.

    Chill out, you’re jumping at shadows.

    Iain and Bridget go back long before you were included at Iain’s blog. To a time when Iain was behaving like a dangerous troll. He is reformed these days and is much nicer as a moderate blogger.

    I think we have all tried various approaches to what is still a relatively new way of communicating, so it is unfair to hold people to account for everything they have said in the past once they improve their behavior. I include myself in this and Iain has been fair in letting me continue to post having overstepped the mark at times. I would extend the same to Iain if I had a blog.

    What has Bridget (if she is Chandler) ever done to you Ray?

    An observation on why the Age hasn’t taken you to task? This blog is insignificant and not worth the grief is my view. Still, if the posts got really nasty you might get a letter……..

  23. Craigy says:

    Oh I see, I said “you have both behaved badly”….I was talking about Bridget and Iain Ray…..

  24. Iain Hall says:

    Check this out Craigy

  25. Craigy says:

    What am I checking out Iain?

  26. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    You are checking out just where pieces at this insignificant blog come in a google search…

  27. Craigy says:

    I’m not sure what a Google search is showing us Iain.

    How many hits per week do you get?

    I’m willing to take back my ‘insignificant blog’ claim if you have the evidence of a large readership that is willing to take your views seriously.

    I just can’t see hundreds of thousands of people reading the Sandpit…. Sorry.

    Your posts are designed to be controversial but are not usually well written (well Bolt gets away with that I guess) and you have politically extreme, intellectual midgets who guest post here (not you Ray).

    I just can’t see how this blog could be considered in anyway ‘significant’ Iain. No offence intended BTW, just stating the obvious.

  28. Ray Dixon says:

    Oh for God’s sake, Craigy, I’m not going to re-document all of Gread’s Internet abuse (towards both Iain and myself) – it’s been done before. I just want to point out how your views on this are way out of kilter – the fact is Gread’s been an anonymous abuser & stalker of the highest order. As for your pathetic explanation that Iain’s blog “isn’t significant enough” for her or The Age to be bothered with …. I really can’t be bothered with you on that one. Seriously mate, you are taking sides and almost defending her. Poor show. See ya.

  29. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy

    I’m willing to take back my ‘insignificant blog’ claim if you have the evidence of a large readership that is willing to take your views seriously

    I’m quite modest about the hit rate for this blog but the point was where it ranks in the google search I linked to an the fact that its on the first page is the significant point here .

    Your posts are designed to be controversial but are not usually well written (well Bolt gets away with that I guess) and you have politically extreme, intellectual midgets who guest post here (not you Ray).

    Well of course that depends on just how you want to define “well written”. I write in a conversational style and I get my fair share of nice things said about my prose and the arguments I put in debate.

    I just can’t see how this blog could be considered in anyway ‘significant’ Iain. No offence intended BTW, just stating the obvious.

    This blog does OK Craigy

  30. Craigy says:

    Okay Ray if that’s how you see it I won’t respond to you anymore. It’s the topic of the post but you’re grumpy with me for asking questions?

    I’m not sure why you are so keen to see me as an enemy, but that’s up to you, you clearly have a bee in your bonnet about something.

    I have never seen Gread attack you, but I’ve sure seen you go hard at her. My question was an honest one, why did you buy into it, what did she do to you? Iain clearly has reason to fight against these people, he has been doing it for much longer than you have been around and admits he has stirred the pot continuing the flame wars. Why? I think he enjoys the arguments. Why you try and defend something that even Iain doesn’t deny is beyond me.

    Good luck with your blogging and watch that blood pressure.

  31. Craigy says:

    Iain, I’m sure it does okay but I doubt very much that the Age or Chandler are hanging off your every post.

  32. Iain Hall says:

    I never said that they were, all that I’m suggesting is that anyone who Googles Chandler will find the pieces that I have written on the first page of their search and that is a gift that just keeps giving.

  33. Craigy says:

    Well, I hope you’re right about her Iain……

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