Its rather apt that no matter how much cash the Gillard government throw around the polls remain in the wipe out zone. Any other government would be reconsidering their entire political agenda but we are not talking about any other government we are talking about the Gillard Labor Government who are the masters of only one thing, the self inflicted wedgie.
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Hmm did anyone really expect that the cash splash of pre-emptive compensation for the despised Carbon tax would give the Gillard any bounce? Frankly it can’t be doing them any good if they have made the Carbon Tax into the contemporary equivalent of buggery in the age of Mr Wilde, “its the tax that dare not speak its name” if the Government ads are anything to go by. I’m sure that the advertising spin merchants who pitched the latest campaign had the right idea to down play the connection between the cash splash and the carbon tax but the way that they refuse to mention it at all just ads to the public perception that Gillard is a sneaky and deceptive political operator. That is of course the very last thing that she needs if she hopes to even improve Labor’s chances from dire to just very bad. Are there no wise heads in this government that are willing to point out the last thing the voters will tolerate is bullshit on an issue that is the very reason that Labor is despised?
Cheers Comrades
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Iain Hall's SANDPIT 
As I’ve said many times before, Iain, I don’t think Julia Gillard really cares if Labor gets belted at next year’s election.
True enough Ray but back benchers with far smaller parliamentary pensions in prospect are undoubtedly more worried and its for them that I am concerned.
Oh come off it, you don’t give a stuff, about their pensions, and why should you?
You should be more worried about your own when your mates get to form Government.
The impacts of the carbon tax (which I agree will initially be quite steep and a real problem for Gillard) may have eased off by the time of the next election, Iain. There’s a distinct possibility of that. Even so, Gillard hasn’t got a hope of winning. It’s just a matter of whether or not she can ‘
closereduce the gap’ in the polling, otherwise those backbenchers will start getting really nervous the closer the election gets. Rudd’s return seems more a case of when, not if, and they’ll turn to him at some stage in an effort to save their seats.Alan
Would you please not presume to know what is in my head?
I do appreciate that all people go into politics for the best of reasons and for anyone life after politics is tough no matter what colour underpants they wear.
Ray
I suspect that you may be right about Rudd lurking in the shadows waiting to make like Lazarus but I don’t think that Labor will get any let up in the negative sentiment felt by the voters with regard to the Carbon tax even if they give Gillard the arse.
If there were, Iain, they wouldn’t be pushing their hated carbon tax so hard, they wouldn’t be wasting money on pie-in-the-sky green schemes which have already failed overseas. They wouldn’t be pushing their multi-million dollar green subsidy schemes, such as Flannery’s thermal ‘hot rocks’ company, which has already lost the $90 million given it by Labor.
No, Iain, if there were any wise heads in this government, they would cancel the carbon tax, they would wind back their green schemes, they would tell the Greens to take a hike, and start to govern for the majority of the population.
Instead, what we have is an ideologically influenced government pandering to the minority who voted for them, albeit with the inadvertent help of people who didn’t directly vote for them.
As a result, there is a disgruntled, angry, mainstream majority of voters who are itching to show this sham of a government the door, goodbye, and good riddance, and may it be a long time before Labor dare try again to replace a working, successful government with such a nascent, ineffectual and misguided administration as this.
Your usual garbage Iain….
“Because that is not what he (Abbott) has been doing, he has quite rightly been pointing out why this is a very bad government and how the country would be better under a Coalition administration.”
Quite rightly? What by repeating the word No! No! No!
He, and you, need to try a bit harder.
Well thanks for dropping by Indii but why are you citing what I said at the Cafe here?
Anyway I don’t accept your premise that that he has been saying “No No No!” So please explain where it is part of the Westminster system that a leader of the opposition is obliged to support or endorse any legislation or policy put forward by the government of the day?
Iain, let’s face it, Abbott has been bellyaching about the govt since day one … since the day the independents said “no thanks, Tony, we don’t trust you”. All he’s wanted is a new election and he hasn’t been the slightest bit objective about any govt initiative or legislation. This carping attitude and blind ambition has overtaken him and turned him into little more than a caricature of a politician. He sounds like a mad dog .. with a stutter.
Nah Ray
If it were not for that game changing lie from Gillard, her “there will be no Carbon tax under a government that I lead” Abbott would not be getting such traction with the voters, That said there is nothing wrong with Abbott seeking a new election to get rid of the disastrous situation of a hung parliament which has done nothing for anyone except the loopy Greens who have just loved Labor genuflecting to their agenda. Further like the rest of the country why should Tony Trust any undertaking from Labor? And just what initiatives do you think that he should have supported Labor on?
I know you addressed this to Ray, but I’ll take a shot at it:
I can only think of one, the first round of stimulus payments, even then, that’s arguable. Since then however, and remember that was under Rudd’s direction, it has been a disaster of political failures, one after the other.
Failure number one for Gillard has to be cow-towing to the Greens.
Bugger! So now we are stuck with a useless tax that won’t change the climate, won’t facilitate the invention of the ‘perpetual motion machine’, which is the only way wind farms and solar panels will ever provide base-load, and which will inflict massive economic damage on the populace.
To wit, we are about to be inflicted with a 10% (at least) increase on our power bills. Couple this with a flow-on increase in prices across the board. The government’s claim of ‘compensation’ extends only so far as the pensioner’s power bill, it doesn’t address the increase in their supermarket bill.
And this is a ‘socialist’ government that is supposed to put people before corporations.
This is a joke.
As Keating once said “God help Australia”, or is it,” is that all their is”—imagine these pair of f*ckwits at dinner together,Abbott and Bolt . Sob Sob–Abbott to Bolt—don’t resign the country needs you.
Iain There never will be a GST, IT’S DEAD AND BURIED, as will happen to Abbott——at the ballot box.
Richard are you seriously saying that you think that Labor will be re-elected?
Care to make a small wager on that?
I have a bottle of red that says that you are wrong!
gee, you should offer him 6 bottles to his 1, for it to be remotely close to a fair bet!
i think you’re wrong richard, about the mad monk getting in, but i would be surprised if the liberals were there for a long time.
if the rodent couldn’t help himself when he had such a huge majority, what hope the mad monk?
Ok if this thread prooves anything, it is that some people seem a touch out of reality. So letrs get this straight. Labor will lose the election in specatacular style in the next election for a couple of reasons.
1 They have no moral authority to rule, it is a government appointed by minorities and by independants who had an axe to grind against their former masters.
2 They blatantly lied to the voter about the carbon tax. If anyone else mentions Howard and his stance on the GST I will projectile vomit. Yes he said no GSt and prompty won an election and did not introduceit in that term. He then changed his stance and went to the the NEXT election with that as his main platform. The VOTERS then gave him a mandate to introduce it.
3 Julia Gillard is toxic. She has no political capital. To have political capital you actually have to convince the voter/electorate you are worthy of their vote. She gained office by cutting the throat of her boss. This has not been forgiven by the voter and hopefully will deter others from acting in the same way. Voters believe (rightly or wrongly) that it their job to punish poor leadership. When she eventually led her party to the polls she was rejected by the voter and again appointed to the job. Voters have a perception that she has not earned the right to the job.
4 Most voters believe their handling of the economy and especially large projects has been abysmal. Swan can bang on all he likes about the strenghth of the Australian economy all he likes, but in effect he is taking the credit from the past Hawke/Keating government reforms and the Howard/Costello governments steadying of the ship. Australia is benefiting from its geographic location to China and our massive mineral wealth. The mining industry statistics are so massive they skew all other statistics that indeed show that most other sectors of econommy are struggling.
That is my two bobs worth.
Cheers
Phill the Dill
Alan
unlike you I think that bets about such things are all about tokens and symbolic concessions thus I will happily bet one bottle of wine but I won’t give odds.
Well said Phill BTW 😉
haha, you have the ability to be a good gambler then
only bet when the odds are in your favour.
of course richard should not take up your offer, unless he has some vinegar he wants to get rid of!
Actually I am quite fond of good vinegar Alan
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