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This Couldn’t Happen Here, Could It?

PS 368, a public elementary school in Manhattan, New York, has implemented a school-wide mandate that is capturing headlines. Principal Nicky Kram Rosen is requiring all 200 students in grades second through fifth to spend two 45-minute sessions each week learning Arabic.

The New Curriculum

This couldn’t happen here, could it?

And of course, this isn’t the thin end of the wedge is it? Indoctrinating children into an Arabic view of the world, when they have grown up in a western society? It is strange that western society has enabled the prosperous society that these kids are growing up in, yet the Islamic world, which has achieved very little in the last thousand years, now insists on forcing Arabic on western children.

Mohamed Mamdouh, who teaches the pilot program, said, “Soon, Arabic will be a global language like French and Spanish. These kids are like sponges. It’s amazing to see their progress.’’

By all means offer Arabic as an elective in high school, but force-feeding six year old children mandatory Arabic indoctrination is clearly wrong and certainly serves no purpose other than to legitimise the Islamisation of Western society. Of course children of that age are ‘like sponges’, and that is the very reason care must be taken to ensure that indoctrinatory agendas are not part of the curriculum.

This couldn’t happen here, could it?

Given recent media reports of Islamic activism in Australia, it’s not far-fetched to engender the concern that similar initiatives could follow here.

It seems that it is anything goes as far as Islam is concerned, including hate speech. However should a Caucasian make a similar comment, and they are immediately labelled ‘racist’.

Remember what ‘Mohamed Mamdouh’ said, “These kids are like sponges”.

This couldn’t happen here, could it?

 

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22 Comments

  1. Ray Dixon says:

    I disagree with Damian – your post is not “offensive”, GD. It’s just alarmist and illogical.

  2. Merral says:

    Yes, the commenter above is right. It is alarmist clap-trap. What’s more, it is not even honest because it leaves out some critical information:

    The requirement, which will begin next semester, is intended to help bolster the school’s standing. Rather than focusing on more common (some would argue even more useful) languages like French or Spanish, Rosen has chosen Arabic in an effort to achieve an International Baccalaureate, which would apparently be a wonderful sentiment for the school’s reputation.
    “She proposed this to the parent association. They were very supportive,” explained Angela Jackson, the CEO of the Global Language Project, a group backing the initiative. “Arabic has been identified as a critical-need language. It means they can spin the globe and decide where they want to work and live.”

    So it’s an academically motivated move to benefit the school and the kids, and is supported by the parents’ association. Nothing about indoctrination or subsuming the kids into Islam at all.

    Most primary school aged kids in Western countries learn a second language these days. To ignore Arabic on the grounds that learning it “indoctrinates” kids would be both hysterical and hypocritical. Arabic is one of the world’s most widely spoken languages, along with English, French, Spanish and dialects of Chinese. If you want to work or do business in wealth Arab states, some Arabic would be of enormous advantage.

    To the writer of this blog article, if the Arab world “has achieved very little in the last thousand years”, why are you so frightened of them matey?

  3. Ray Dixon says:

    Learning Chinese language(s) is indoctrinating our kids into socialism. It’s already happening, GD !!!!

  4. Iain Hall says:

    Firstly let me welcome you to my sandpit Merral I am always happy to welcome comments even when they disagree with the author(s) of the post.
    This is GD’s post and I’m sure he will give you a response soon but I just don’t buy your argument that Arabic is just “another language” because as the language of Islam, teaching it to six year olds could very well introduce them to that pernicious ideology at an age when they lack the knowledge or discernment to understand what they are learning.

  5. alan says:

    Making your kids go to church is certainly indoctrinating them!
    Explain the difference between taking a 6yo to your local venue of bigotry and teaching them a language that is at least tangible?

    And to Mr Hall………..since when does ‘language’ = ‘pernicious ideology’???
    And why is Islam ‘pernicious ideology’ and Catholicism not?
    Absolutely ridiculous statement.
    They both are!!

  6. Iain Hall says:

    Alan
    Let me get this straight because you seem to be rather confused, what obliges me to be critical of anoy other faith when the subject of this post is focused upon Islam?

    but if you insist in drawing a comparison between Catholicism and Islam then just answer me a couple of simple questions:

    How many times does the bible instruct the faithful to kill unbelievers?
    Now lets pose the same question to the Koran…
    Which is worse on that measure?

    One issue for lots of people about the Catholic faith is the terrible examples of priests abusing children but which holy book actaully endorses child marriage as exemplified by its prophet marrying a nine year old girl?

    Over too you as I await your answer.

  7. alan says:

    Well, I went a wedding in a Salvation Army chapel a few years back.
    While waiting for the ceremony to begin I started glancing through the bible that was there.
    Stuff about cutting hands off and killing and, and, and.
    It had several of us shaking our heads in disbelief.
    So I repeat what’s the difference?
    As for what’s in the Koran or the Bible generally, I have no interest, and no knowledge, so to speak.
    All the religions are about fantasy as far as I am concerned, and they’re all as bad as each other. I don’t differentiate.

    But you still never answered the question, …what has learning Arabic got to do with ‘pernicious ideology’?
    I will tell you…EXACTLY NOTHING
    It’s a language is all it is, just like English, Spanish, e.t.c , and I am sure there are plenty of fruitcakes that speak any of those languages…..but it’s NOT the language that makes them fruitcakes.

  8. Iain Hall says:

    Alan
    Arabic and Islam are utterly inseparable for the reasons that I have already enunciated. Now as You profess no knowledge of either Christianity or Islam then dare I suggest that you don’t comment further until you have done a bit of study on the subject?

  9. alan says:

    Not before I have answered your “Arabic and Islam are utterly inseparable”, it takes only one word…….N O N S E N S E.
    Goodnight.

  10. Iain Hall says:

    Alan
    you are by your own admission ignorant about the religions in question so that also means you are unqualified to claim “NONSENSE” about any aspect of religious belief 😉

  11. alan says:

    Oh, one more….I am ignorant of religion in the main….NOT language.
    So yes it is nonsense.
    There are plenty of christians, agnostics or even Jews that have Arabic as their native tongue.

  12. Merral says:

    Arabic and Islam are utterly inseparable for the reasons that I have already enunciated.

    You haven’t “enunciated’ any reasons to begin with, other than the Koran being written in Arabic. And with all due respect, that is ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!

    Just because the Koran is written in Arabic doesn’t make Arabic dangerous in and of itself. Why don’t we ban German, since the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf were both originally written in German? Should we ban Russian because the Protocols of Zion were written in Russian? Ban Japanese because of WW2 and Chinese because of Mao?

    Of course not. Anyone who reckons learning a language is the same as being indoctrinated into a religion or a culture needs their head read. Just like the author of this blog!

    P.S. I am an atheist and I detest all religions.

  13. Simon says:

    Interesting post. My understanding was that Arabic is not spoken or routinely used by most of the Muslim world outside of the Arab league states or religious practice, but as it was explained to us in Turkey that it’s much like Latin was used for Christian services until the Reformation.

    I can’t help thinking though wouldn’t it be in the Western World’s interest to have more Arabic speakers, to be able to communicate with those other peoples who are mostly ignorant to the rest of the world outside of their often impoverished and extremist madrases?

  14. GD says:

    Merral, this isn’t ‘critical information’, as you put it, it is merely a justification for the school’s decision to mandate a compulsory course in Arabic, instead of offering, as your quote points out, the more useful languages such as French or Spanish.

    Rather than focusing on more common (some would argue even more useful) languages like French or Spanish, Rosen has chosen Arabic in an effort to achieve an International Baccalaureate, which would apparently be a wonderful sentiment for the school’s reputation.

    Aiming for an International Baccalaureatte is a fine ideal. Forcing six year olds to learn Arabic for the sake of this gong is not. If the idea is to equip six year old children with business skills for the future, a laughable concept, perhaps counting and English and playing together are of much more use than lessons in a language which represents a culture that wants to see the downfall of Western Society.

    Angela Jackson, the CEO of the Global Language Project, a group backing the initiative. “Arabic has been identified as a critical-need language. It means they can spin the globe and decide where they want to work and live”

    Arabic is not in any way a ‘critical-need language’. As for spinning the globe, how many of these six year olds will want to work in Saudi Arabia in twenty years time, when they are of career age? English is, and for the foreseeable future, the language of commerce. Whether Shanghai, Singapore or Beirut, whenever an international transaction of importance is in play, English will be the lingua franca.

    This shows how ridiculous force feeding children with Arabic at this age is, unless there is another agenda. The first that comes to mind isn’t insidious but merely perplexing. Why are leftists so enamoured with cosying up to a culture that is totally at odds with Western views and values. Whether it’s women’s rights, gay rights or human rights, the Islamic culture is at odds with Western views, yet leftists are intent on being warm and friendly with this culture that outlaws all that they hold dear.

    Go figure.

  15. Iain Hall says:

    Merral
    As an atheist myself I don’t actaully detest religion, in fact I find belief in anything supernatural endlessly fascinating which has led me to seek to understand just how the belief structures of the major religions are fabricated. In the case of Islam it is a core belief that that only by knowing the Koran in the language of the Prophet can someone be a true Muslim. To the Islamic world Arabic is much more than just a language, it is the language of the prophet and thus teaching Arabic to six year olds is problematic. Further there is every chance that the teachers of this language will themselves be Muslims and you can bet London to a brick that they will be using the opportunity top proselytise to these little sponges their view that there is but one God (Allah)and that Mohammed is his prophet.

  16. Matt says:

    Iain some thoughts on your interesting article and commentary.

    Firstly, Arabic is as much the language of Islam as Spanish is the language of Catholicism and as some who speaks Spanish as a second language I haven’t felt the slightest need to commence my own inquisition until I read your blog.

    Secondly, it appears from your comments that you are a worldly man who has read the Koran as well as the bible, I am impressed that is rare for a Queenslander. Therefore, I am certain you know that the Koran teaches non-violence. In fact Islam historically has been one of the most tolerant religions in the world, with the Ottoman empire allowing both Jews and Christians to peacefully co-exist and continue their business and personal lives. The current wave of Islamic fundamentalism is a post-World War Two phenomenon driven more by a distorted non-secular religified pan-Arab nationalism than Islam. It could also be interpreted to being driven by not the same but some of the similar catalysts that drive Zionism, but surely your not anti-Jewish as well? Oh I forgot to mention all three religions believe in the same god!

    Thirdly, the Islamic world has achieved much in the last 1,000 years and were far more advanced technologically, medically and socially than your hallowed western Europe until the 17th century, which if my history teacher taught me correctly is around 400 years ago. It was the battle of Lepanto that was the beginning of the end of the dominance of the Ottoman Empire.

    Fourthly, every conflict that Australia has fought against an Islamic country has been through Australia invading said countries. I do not recollect an Islamic invasion of Australia, so that begs the question are they the pernicious expansionary violent religion or are we?

    Fifthly, if you feel so strongly about the need to combat Islam and prevent the downfall of your ‘lets get drunk at the pub and carry on like a bunch of bigoted ass clowns culture, then perhaps you should become a man of your word sign up with the Australian Army and seek a posting with the next battalion being rotated through Afghanistan. I am certain you look very imposing in desert cam with your F88 Austeyr and combat load on patrol. But it would seem that your barside philosophising takes precedent.

  17. GD says:

    Matt said:

    Thirdly, the Islamic world has achieved much in the last 1,000 years and were far more advanced technologically, medically and socially than your hallowed western Europe until the 17th century….the battle of Lepanto…was the beginning of the end of the dominance of the Ottoman Empire.

    Hi Matt. Firstly, this is my post not Iain’s, although a number of points you address pertain more to his comments than to my article.

    You make some good points, namely that the Ottoman Empire was the umbrella over which major technological developments circa 1,000 AD occurred. However, to suggest that Islamic culture was the dominant scientific discipline until the 1700s is drawing a long bow. For a start, the Battle of Lepanto occurred in the sixteenth century (1571). Also, the major influences from the first millennia on modern science and technology, such as the clock, the camera, coffee…
    these seminal inventions occurred around the 1,000 AD mark.

    Yes, we have Islam to thank for coffee…latte sippers rejoice

    Although as this article points out,

    One of the key aims…is to highlight how the people of many different faiths and backgrounds working within Muslim civilization, which stretched from southern Spain to China, made exceptional advances and greatly improved the world’s understanding of science, technology and engineering. It underscores how ideas from many different cultures and societies have contributed to and influenced contemporary science and technology and the way we live today.

    However, these developments occurred circa 1,000 AD, as I said in my post, and so I stand by this statement:

    the Islamic world, which has achieved very little in the last thousand years, now insists on forcing Arabic on western children.

    My question to you Matt is why do you so despise the culture you live in? Why do you denigrate anyone who visits a bar to partake of a glass of wine or schooner of beer, while discussing their day with the person next to them and enjoying the freedom and camaraderie of living and working in a healthy and robust society?

    Why do you support and apologise for a culture that hasn’t achieved much in the last 1,000 years, that forces women to cover all but their eyeballs, condones female genital mutilation and preaches that Sharia law will overcome our Western Society?

  18. Matt says:

    GD wonderful reply but I don’t think I can reply and do it any justice until you have adequately addressed all of the points I have raised. I would also point out that I am certainly not an apologist for the Islamic religion or any other nor an apologist for any country or culture, so i would appreciate it if you were mature enough not to put words in my mouth.

    As for my views on Australian culture, I am certain we need a world full of bearded beer gutted beer drinking louts preaching their insular simplistic bar side philosophy to the world. Perhaps the latte sipping elitist left is just a reaction to your buffoonery. If you feel so strongly GD about Islam pull on the baggy green be a man and tour!

    I would also like to point out that such masculine Australian men while over indulgently engaging in every form of bullying available to bearded fat loutish drunk are nothing more than big noting cowards. It is easy to bully and abuse people who are different as it is easy to distort another persons words or perhaps even talk up how tough you are, but when the lead is flying and the shit storm has hit the bullshit walks and from what I’ve seen so far most of you are big noting cowards!

  19. Iain Hall says:

    Matt

    Iain some thoughts on your interesting article and commentary.

    As GD points out its is his piece but while I sip my morning Brew I’ll give you my thoughts (in detail about your multi faceted comemnts 😉

    Firstly, Arabic is as much the language of Islam as Spanish is the language of Catholicism and as some who speaks Spanish as a second language I haven’t felt the slightest need to commence my own inquisition until I read your blog.

    Well you start out with a rather serious mistake because the language of Catholicism is with out a doubt Latin rather than Spanish further the Catholic faith have moved on from the notion that the faith must only be taught in the tongue of its scholars, whereas Islam still insists that true understanding of the religion requires an understanding of Arabic. With translations of the Koran and the Hadith both held in some measure of contempt. You simply won’t find any brand of Christianity objecting to scripture in the vernacular the same way that followers of Islam do.

    Secondly, it appears from your comments that you are a worldly man who has read the Koran as well as the bible, I am impressed that is rare for a Queenslander. Therefore, I am certain you know that the Koran teaches non-violence. In fact Islam historically has been one of the most tolerant religions in the world, with the Ottoman empire allowing both Jews and Christians to peacefully co-exist and continue their business and personal lives.

    You are again wrong in your understanding of Islam which has many instances of its scriptures telling the faithful to kill unbelievers secondly Islam’s tolerance of other faiths is predicated upon the notion that such faiths are inferior to Islam and that they must pay a special tax just to exist in an Islamic country which makes a total mockery of your claims of tolerance.

    The current wave of Islamic fundamentalism is a post-World War Two phenomenon driven more by a distorted non-secular religified pan-Arab nationalism than Islam. It could also be interpreted to being driven by not the same but some of the similar catalysts that drive Zionism, but surely your not anti-Jewish as well? Oh I forgot to mention all three religions believe in the same god!

    What a silly argument you put here, At the very heart of the faith of Islam is the concept that the faith should be spread by the sword and that unbelievers should be killed if they will not submit to Allah. The modern rise of fundamentalism is rooted in that much more than it is in any sort of rise of Arabic nationalism.

    Thirdly, the Islamic world has achieved much in the last 1,000 years and were far more advanced technologically, medically and socially than your hallowed western Europe until the 17th century, which if my history teacher taught me correctly is around 400 years ago. It was the battle of Lepanto that was the beginning of the end of the dominance of the Ottoman Empire.

    Well tell us precisely what the Islamic world has achieved in the last thousand years? because if you look at the lists of winners of the Nobel prizes since its inception you will be very hard pressed to find a follower of Islam among that Alumni,where are the Muslim creators of technology?(making bombs does not count)Every branch of secular science and intellectual endeavour has long been abandoned by the followers of Islam. I think that this is a result of a faith that teaches its followers that the next world is more important than this one and that the hight of intellectual endeavour is to memorise the Koran and to devote your life to supplicating your self to the deity five times a day.

    Fourthly, every conflict that Australia has fought against an Islamic country has been through Australia invading said countries. I do not recollect an Islamic invasion of Australia, so that begs the question are they the pernicious expansionary violent religion or are we?

    You ignore the attack upon the two towers(which killed many Aussies) which pre dated the invasion of Afghanistan and seem to be suggesting that we don’t have the right to seek out and kill those who committed or enabled that atrocity Saddam had mad a big show of supporting the Jihadis in Israel.

    Fifthly, if you feel so strongly about the need to combat Islam and prevent the downfall of your ‘lets get drunk at the pub and carry on like a bunch of bigoted ass clowns culture, then perhaps you should become a man of your word sign up with the Australian Army and seek a posting with the next battalion being rotated through Afghanistan.

    Personally I am for all intents and purposes a Tea-teetotaller who greatly values sobriety, frankly I find your misrepresentation of Australian culture both insulting and offensive. Our society is not perfect by any measure but its better than any Islamic country by any measure that matters

    I am certain you look very imposing in desert cam with your F88 Austeyr and combat load on patrol. But it would seem that your barside philosophising takes precedent.

    My attitude to the use of military force is that it is sometimes entirely justified and necessary, now I am both too old and too infirm to personally join the front lines but I very much respect the dedicated few at the pointy end and as such I do may bit with words and ideas rather than with bullets and blood. That said you are mistaken to think that having an opinion about the , Ah Hem, the dubious “virtues” of Islam is predicated upon the consumption of alcohol or boorish social habits. Rather it is predicated upon careful examination of what the advocates of that faith say they want and taking them at their word when they say that they want the Islamic faith to dominate and control the entire world.

  20. alan says:

    “Well you start out with a rather serious mistake because the language of Catholicism is with out a doubt Latin rather than Spanish ”

    hahahaha…..think about what he said again iain, and then think of how absurd your answer is(even if what you state is correct).
    what was in your morning brew i wonder!?

    i’ll read the rest when i can stop laughing….thank you very much.

  21. Iain Hall says:

    Alan
    My morning brew is a flat white coffee and now I’m trying to decide what culinary delights to have for breakfast…

    Oh yeah perhaps you should re-read my last comment because I don’t think it says what you think it does

  22. GD says:

    as for my views on Australian culture, I am certain we need a world full of bearded beer gutted beer drinking louts preaching their insular simplistic bar side philosophy to the world…If you feel so strongly GD about Islam pull on the baggy green be a man and tour!

    Matt, as a conservative who hopes to see some redeeming qualities in today’s lefties, I find myself somewhat bereft after reading your comments. You automatically assume that Iain and I are hirsute, beer-gutted louts, when in fact we are quite the opposite. Perhaps my metaphorical post confused you.

    You also insist, that because we question Islamic immigration, and subsequent infiltration, rather than assimilation, into Australian society, that we be made to serve in the Armed Forces for holding such opinions.

    So much for free speech.

    No Matt, I am allowed to hold such an opinion, I am able to say that I disagree with the current immigration policy, I am able to suggest that we don’t need more Muslims from the Middle East.

    Trouble is, if you had your way, I would be shipped off to a war zone to atone for my sins for suggesting such an opinion.

    Is that really what you want? A silencing of opposing opinions? On fear of conscription?

    This takes the latte sipping leftist philosophy into the realm of the totalitarian socialist credo.

    Matt, given recent polls, most Australians are very against such measures. I suggest you get ready for a decade of conservative, and return to sanity, rule.

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