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Our great taxpayer-funded seer, Tim Flannery

Having just read the report I can’t help thinking what poor value we get from the “climate commission” and that maybe the best thing that we can do for the climate would be to put these hot air merchants on ice.
Cheers Comrades

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Now perfessor Flannery reckons violence in Western Sydney will increase because of – you guessed it – global warming.

Tim has quite the reputation for getting scary predictions wrong. Take the one where he reckoned our dams would be empty by now.

But let’s not be too harsh on poor Flannels.

Actually, as a species, we love imagining the future.

But we don’t always get it right… not that that’s stopping the carbon tax that isn’t actually a carbon tax.

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28 Comments

  1. Craigy says:

    Hi Iain, it seems you have just linked to Bolt. You say you have read the report that Flannery is quoted from, yet neither you nor Bolt link to it. Can you provide a link so we cam read it and comment? Thanks.

  2. Iain Hall says:

    Sure Craigy here is the report PDF nearly 4 megs though so don’t waste your phone’s down loads on it.

  3. Craigy says:

    Now here’s the funny thing. I can’t find a quote from Flannery in that report at all Iain. I also can’t find anything in the report that talks about violence in Western Sydney.

    You must have seen the bit that bingbing and Bolt are referring to. Can you point it out? I must have missed it (though I looked through the document three times, I must be blind.)

    Thanks again.

  4. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    I seem to recall seeing Flannery making the suggestion of increased violence in a TV interview about the release of thsi document yesterday rather than it being in the body of the report which is authored by Will Steffan and Lesley Hughes

    As I implied in may earlier comment its is a rather dreary piece of propaganda that is long on assertion and very short on anything that could be described as scientific. Further the document opens with the reasonable suggestion that the higher temperatures in western Sydney are due to the urban heat island effect and then goes on to try to argue that its due to “global warming”.

    The document goes on to suggest that the problems that it predicts are amenable to meaningful mitigation when there is no reason to believe that at all.
    It beggars belief that we are collectively paying for nonsense such as this

  5. damage says:

    But you can recall Flannery saying the rivers would never run again and the dams never being full don’t you Craigy?
    or
    “Polar bears are going to go with the ice cap. They’re not going to actually last that long.”
    or
    “We’re headed for 5.4 degrees over the next 100 years. Adaptation will be less likely.”
    or
    In an interview with The Guardian newspaper in April, Flannery laid out some of the beliefs of this new climate religion, including his conception of ‘Gaia’ in very human terms:

    For the first time, this global super-organism, this global intelligence will be able to send a signal, a strong and clear signal to the earth. And what that means in a sense is that we can, we will be a regulating intelligence for the planet, I’m sure, in the future … And lead to a stronger Gaia, if you will, a stronger earth system.
    or
    ABC’s Science Show in January this year, Flannery said: ‘This planet, this Gaia, will have acquired a brain and a nervous system. That will make it act as a living animal, as a living organism, at some sort of level.’
    or
    In 2004 he predicted that ‘Perth will be the 21st century’s first ghost metropolis.’ The following year, he said that Sydney could run out of water in as little as two years.
    or
    Again in 2007, saying Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane would ‘need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months.’
    or
    his 2007 article in the New Scientist magazine that ‘Australia is likely to lose its northern rainfall’

  6. Richard Ryan says:

    ON the subject of Bolt——imagine if we had a million clones just like him here in The United States Of Australia, and all wearing that same idiotic smirk—-Iain would be having multiple “wet dreams”.

  7. GD says:

    That’s an extensive list, damage, well done! The Greens rolled Bob Brown for saying much less. Why are we still hearing of, on taxpayers’ money, the deluded scaremongering of this alarmist looney?

    Remember, he prophesied catastrophic sea level rises in a few years, then bought a property on the waterfront at the Hawkesbury, accessible only by boat. Clearly he doesn’t believe one millimetre of his so-called predictions, let alone a few metres of them. The man has his snout firmly in the government trough and is milking it for all it’s worth. He knows the end is nigh. Once the Libs are in power, his claque of alarmists will be out of a job.

    Hopefully Tony Abbott will be as resolute as Campbell Newman has been in Queensland, and sets about immediately dismantling these wasteful, ill-conceived ‘green’ programs.

    By all means fight pollution, but not at the expense of the economy, and not for such spurious reasons as the AGW hoax and the unproven fear of a minuscule percentage of anthropogenically generated carbon dioxide adversely altering the global climate.

    Enough is enough.

  8. GD says:

    it’s a rather dreary piece of propaganda that is long on assertion and very short on anything that could be described as scientific. Further the document opens with the reasonable suggestion that the higher temperatures in western Sydney are due to the urban heat island effect and then goes on to try to argue that its due to “global warming”

    That’s an excellent summation, Iain. I laboured, (pun intended), through the whole document, and to be kind, it’s nothing more than a PR document; a press release in support of the Labor Party.

    There is virtually nothing of a scientific nature, but plenty of pictures of cute furry animals and assertions that floods and droughts and heat waves cause people stress, or even mental illness. This is followed by the unsubstantiated claim that the recent floods, droughts, bushfires and cyclones are caused by anthropogenic activity, and aren’t merely part of the natural cycle of the Australian climate.

    Having lived through a number of these climate events in the past, I doubt that.

    It seems that, having missed the boat with their global warming scenario, alarmists are trying to muscle in on Australia’s natural cycle of floods and droughts and rain as an excuse for their wealth distribution policies.

    Fortunately, poet Dorothea Mackellar has already been there.

    ‘I love a sunburnt country,
    A land of sweeping plains,
    Of ragged mountain ranges,
    Of droughts and flooding rains.
    I love her far horizons,
    I love her jewel-sea,
    Her beauty and her terror –
    The wide brown land for me!

    Core of my heart, my country!
    Her pitiless blue sky,
    When sick at heart, around us,
    We see the cattle die –
    But then the grey clouds gather,
    And we can bless again
    The drumming of an army,
    The steady, soaking rain.

    Core of my heart, my country!
    Land of the Rainbow Gold,
    For flood and fire and famine,
    She pays us back threefold –
    Over the thirsty paddocks,
    Watch, after many days,
    The filmy veil of greenness
    That thickens as we gaze.

    An opal-hearted country,
    A wilful, lavish land –
    All you who have not loved her,
    You will not understand –
    Though earth holds many splendours,
    Wherever I may die,
    I know to what brown country
    My homing thoughts will fly.

  9. Damian says:

    Got those citations yet, Iain?

  10. Iain Hall says:

    What are you talking about Damian?

  11. Craigy says:

    Not sure what the point of your post is Iain. You claim that Flannery said something silly but your link attached to the words points to a BingBing post that links to a Bolt article that gives no link to the report and no link to what was said in context. The report does hint at the context in the bit about health effects, but the quote is not in the report at all. And you mention the report as if that’s where the quote came from……Oh well, we all stuff up and it’s always more likely if you use Bolt as your source……

    .”…and very short on anything that could be described as scientific.”

    Your claim that you don’t see the science underpinning this report?….Wilfull blindness?

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  12. Iain Hall says:

    Yes Craigy
    I did see the long bibliography attached to the end of the report (which is where I assume your list comes from) But the body of the report and the argument it makes is far from scientific. As I pointed out it asserts lots of things, like the 1m sea level rise in a century yet such a measure is very widely discredited. The report makes only passing reference to natural variability yet differentiating the anthropomorphic signal from that is crucial to the validity of the AGW Theory. Further the report gives no consideration at all to the near certainty that global initiatives that the AGW hypothesis relies upon for a “cure” are just not ever going to happen. Even if you are a believer you can’t seriously think that anything we do is going to make any difference. Even for believers like yourself Craigy the only sensible thing to advocate is adaptation. Face it this is a propaganda piece and not a very convincing one at that.

  13. Craigy says:

    It seems you only see what you want to see Iain, it makes you look foolish……

    You say…..

    “But the body of the report and the argument it makes is far from scientific. As I pointed out it asserts lots of things, like the 1m sea level rise in a century yet such a measure is very widely discredited.”

    Yet the report doesn’t claim a 1 meter rise is the only outcome at all. Why do you misrepresent the science so?? This is what it says about sea levels, it seems clear and is based on scientific data as you can see.

    “Average global sea levels have risen by about 20cm since
    the late 1800s. For NSW (including Sydney) sea levels along
    the southern coast have risen slightly more than the global
    average, while for the northern coasts the rise has been about
    the global average or slightly less (CSIRO and BOM, 2012).

    Global average sea level is projected to rise by up to 80cm
    by 2100 compared to 1990 levels (IPCC, 2007). Larger rises
    cannot be ruled out due to uncertainties about how fast
    ice-sheets can melt or disintegrate. Observed sea-level rise
    is currently tracking close to the worst case scenario, the
    upper limit of climate model projection. This suggests that
    global sea level rise of at least 0.5m and by as much as
    1.0m is a significant risk.

    A 1.1m rise in sea level (modelled by the Australian
    Government to assess the highest likely risk) could put
    between 40,000–60,000 houses in NSW – the highest of
    any state in Australia – with a value of up to $18.7 billion,
    at risk of flooding towards the end of this century
    (Figure 14 and 16; DCC, 2009). Up to 20% of all houses
    in the Rockdale, Great Lakes and Shellharbour local
    government areas could be at risk under this scenario.”

    You may be right that we are struggling to get enough momentum to stop the worst of climate change and the massive costs of mitigation done too late…..But this is only the case because of the lies being pedalled and the misinformation that tabloid hacks (and Queensland bloggers) are spreading.

    The evidence is overwhelming that all the major developed and developing economies are investing heavily in energy sources that are sustainable. You can put your fingers in your ears, hands over your eyes and go la la la if you like, but you will soon be on your own, as you are with your claims that electric cars will not replace fossil fuel motors eventually and that gay marriage will never be accepted in Australia.

    In terms of the climate commission report, I ask again…

    Why are you misrepresenting this information as I have demonstrated above?

  14. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy you quote this:

    “Average global sea levels have risen by about 20cm since
    the late 1800s. For NSW (including Sydney) sea levels along
    the southern coast have risen slightly more than the global
    average, while for the northern coasts the rise has been about
    the global average or slightly less (CSIRO and BOM, 2012).

    Global average sea level is projected to rise by up to

    80cm

    by 2100 compared to 1990 levels (IPCC, 2007). Larger rises
    cannot be ruled out due to uncertainties about how fast
    ice-sheets can melt or disintegrate. Observed sea-level rise
    is currently tracking close to the worst case scenario, the
    upper limit of climate model projection. This suggests that
    global sea level rise of at least

    0.5m

    and by as much as

    1.0m

    is a significant risk.

    A

    1.1m

    rise in sea level (modelled by the Australian
    Government to assess the highest likely risk) could put
    between 40,000–60,000 houses in NSW – the highest of
    any state in Australia – with a value of up to $18.7 billion,
    at risk of flooding towards the end of this century
    (Figure 14 and 16; DCC, 2009). Up to 20% of all houses
    in the Rockdale, Great Lakes and Shellharbour local
    government areas could be at risk under this scenario.”

    I averaged out the range to a 1M rise and that is supported by the very quote that you cite in rebuttal ‘
    so how again do you claim that I am misrepresenting the report?

  15. damage says:

    It is his chapter and verse Iain.
    He won’t allow any heresy.

    Got any comment on the Flannery predictions above Mr Y?

  16. Craigy says:

    Iain,

    You say:

    “like the 1m sea level rise in a century yet such a measure is very widely discredited”

    The report said:

    “This suggests that global sea level rise of at least 0.5m and by as much as 1.0m is a significant risk.”

    You do see the difference between your statement that sea levels will rise and the words ‘suggests’ and ‘significant risk’??

    You say it’s discredited and your link goes to Bolt, while the report is sourced from research. So how is it discredited then, when the science suggests a significant risk?

  17. Damian says:

    Professor Hall sez: “Even if you are a believer you can’t seriously think that anything we do is going to make any difference.”

    If you’d read the report – as you claim – then you’d know what a load of nonsense that statement is. Why don’t you actually read “The critical decade” and write a post about its key messages. Then, at least, I might be inclined to believe you when you claim to when you claim to have read something.

  18. Iain Hall says:

    Damian
    I have now read the report three times and even upon a third reading I feel no reason exits to change my opinion of it.

    But just for fun lets just consider the summary:

    Summary

    New South Wales (NSW) is home to over a third of
    Australians, 31% of the national economy and is highly
    vulnerable to climate change. Scientists are concerned
    that climate change is increasing the risk of hot weather,
    heatwaves, and bushfires, and changing the patterns of
    drought and heavy rainfall. A changing climate is costly,
    putting pressure on human health, agriculture,
    infrastructure and the natural environment.

    The underlying assumption here is that climate change is man made and causing the perceived changes to the climate

    NSW is becoming hotter and drier. Record-breaking
    hot days have more than doubled across Australia
    since 1960 and heatwaves in the greater Sydney region,
    especially in the western suburbs, have increased in
    duration and intensity.

    Oh hang on here this paragraph is not a fair summary of that part of the report because it ignores the “Urban heat island effect” by doing this it gives a false impression of the severity of the problem that can be attributed to AGW

    Over the last 40 years much of eastern and southern
    Australia has become drier. The continuing drying trend
    increases the risk of longer and harsher droughts. While
    there will continue to be wet years, the future trend of
    declining rainfall poses challenges for Sydney’s long-term
    water security.

    As GD points out the climate pattern for this country has always been extremely variable and there is no admission that the pattern could well be just the natural variability that we have been aware of since the beginning of European settlement.

    This long-term increase in hot and dry weather has
    made NSW more susceptible to bushfires. Very high
    fire danger days have already become more frequent,
    and will occur even more often in the coming decades.

    Big bushfire events are not just a function of temperature, they also result from different land use and fire management styles

    Coastal infrastructure in NSW is vulnerable to flooding
    from sea-level rise. A 1.1m rise by the end of the century
    could put between 40,000–60,000 houses, 1200
    commercial buildings and 250km of highway in NSW
    at risk of inundation.

    There you go Craigy the summary is clearly suggesting that we will loose our waterside infrastructure

    This is the critical decade for action. To minimise climate
    change risks we must begin to decarbonise our economy
    and move to cleaner energy sources this decade.

    Why? assuming that the prescription to AGW can work it requires global action and how likely is that? so as I said earlier no matter what we do it won’t make any difference to the climate even if we closed down all burning of fossil fuel in the entire country.

    The longer we wait the more difficult and costly it will be.

    This only makes sense if the action will be efficacious and as I have pointed out it can’t possibly make any difference to the climate so spending effort and treasure early is in fact a great waste of both.

    NSW is well-placed to capitalise on the global trend
    towards clean energy. Globally the clean energy
    sector attracted $263 billion worth of investment in
    2011 and is one of the fastest growing sectors in the
    world. In Australia $5.3 billion was invested in clean
    energy in 2011. NSW, with a legacy of innovation and
    achievement in renewable energy development, has
    significant opportunities.

    Hmm much of that investment is entirely driven by government subsidies and the return on that investment in terms of energy produced has been very poor and entirely unable to supply base-load.

  19. GD says:

    The report does hint at the context in the bit about health effects, but the quote is not in the report at all. And you mention the report as if that’s where the quote came from……

    Craigy, stop being so precious. Flannery clearly stated it on national TV. Give it a day or so and someone will post the utube vids of it.

  20. Richard Ryan says:

    News Flash! Pyne is a lying f%ck wit.

  21. Ray Dixon says:

    You’d be referring to this email, Richard? The one he said he never sent. Strange message:

  22. Craigy says:

    Iain,

    “There you go Craigy the summary is clearly suggesting that we will loose our waterside infrastructure “

    Is that what it says Iain, that without any doubt that will be the outcome?

    I think you have a problem reading and understanding these ‘leftist’ documents from ‘leftist’ scientists. And you smear me with the claim that all I have is belief?

    Iain, your post above is so full of misreading and misunderstanding, it’s a bit sad really.

    Wilful blindness?….Yep…..Not sure why, but it’s all it could be.

  23. alan says:

    I was going to offer him some free maths lessons too Craigy, especially as to different types of AVERAGES and how to calculate them….he is surely in need of them.

    Although I realise that would be useless as he already knows everything.

    But that in turn has me confused……how is it that somebody that is all knowing, can write so much nonsense.

  24. Craigy says:

    I think being a bit of a ‘know all’ is part of the shtick of being a blogger Alan, I wouldn’t let Iain wind you up, although he is good at it……That said Alan, some people posting on blogs are best ignored…..Cheers.

  25. alan says:

    He doesn’t wind me up at all Craigy.
    Has me confused,yes,….wound up, no
    I mean if you walked away from Labor because of their climate policies after being a ‘proud'(hahahaha) Labor man all your life, why then does every other little thing they do now bother him(not just climate related), when it didn’t previously?
    I’ll answer that myself(well my opinion anyway)…..It’s what his hero AB did too,….and I don’t reckon either of them ever voted Labor.
    Both of them have always had their minds welded shut.
    Anyway, I’m off to have a LATTE with some of my bright red friends, and we will enjoy kicking the shi*t out of fruit cake Abbott and his pals.

  26. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy

    Is that what it says Iain, that without any doubt that will be the outcome?

    I don’t claim that the document is without caveats or that it fails to express doubt, What I am saying is that it suggests a 1m rise in sea level to emphasise the urgency of “climate change”

    I think you have a problem reading and understanding these ‘leftist’ documents from ‘leftist’ scientists. And you smear me with the claim that all I have is belief?

    No Craigy you forget that my focus is upon how the document will be read by the average punter, rather than anyone who is at all scientifically literate.

    Iain, your post above is so full of misreading and misunderstanding, it’s a bit sad really.

    Wilful blindness?….Yep…..Not sure why, but it’s all it could be.

    You see the document as something positive but all I see is a deceptive piece of propaganda that tells us nothing new.

    Alan
    You try writing your opinions about various subjects (everyday for the last seven years)and it will seem like you are a “know all” but I write in a very conversational style rather than trying to do a scholarly treatise.
    Oh and I certainly understand how to calculate averages even though in this instance I have just cited a ballpark figure for the sake of argument.

  27. alan says:

    Ok, tell me just what type of average was needed to be calculated for that(averages ain’t averages you know!).
    yell out if you need a hint, have to run for now though.

  28. Iain Hall says:

    Oh Alan you are a card 😉

    He doesn’t wind me up at all Craigy.
    Has me confused,yes,….wound up, no

    Fibber!

    I mean if you walked away from Labor because of their climate policies after being a ‘proud’(hahahaha) Labor man all your life, why then does every other little thing they do now bother him(not just climate related), when it didn’t previously?

    Sounds to me like you don’t understand the notion of tipping points when it comes to political commitment.

    I’ll answer that myself(well my opinion anyway)…..It’s what his hero AB did too,….and I don’t reckon either of them ever voted Labor.

    Why would either Andrew or myself lie about our political allegiances of the past?.

    Both of them have always had their minds welded shut.

    I actaully have to defend my political positions on a daily basis which makes me rather less inclined to change without good reason its you who has a closed mind Alan.

    Anyway, I’m off to have a LATTE with some of my bright red friends, and we will enjoy kicking the shi*t out of fruit cake Abbott and his pals.

    yep I suspect that a Plasma cutter would be necessary to open up your thinking when It comes to Federal politics as the above comment shows.

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