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Tony Windsor: A View From The Mainstream Press

I agree that Miranda is divine about Windsor. The train wreck that is the Gillard government is just so bad that its hard not to give in to unrestrained schardenfraude at their continuing plight.
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  1. Richard Ryan says:

    “The train wreck that is the Gillard BLAH-BLAH-BLAH” Iain! you are sounding like Tony Abbott, with all this doom and gloom mantra—everything will be ok when the Yankee Marines get here, with the Taliban following close by. Now settle down, and have a pumpkin scone, with a cup of green tea.

  2. Richard Ryan says:

    AS for Miranda Devine and Clive Palmer what a double——Imagine that pair in a blue-movie?

  3. alan says:

    The interesting thing when you read blogs from the extremist right fan boys, is that they continuously refer to the same ‘journalists'(haha that is funny) like Bolt and Devine and Akerman.
    Perhaps they need theses people to express their own feelings in a way they can’t themselves.
    So then I started thinking, who are those extremist left ‘journalists’.
    And oddly I couldn’t think of any, don’t those extremists deserve their own fan boys?
    Maybe News Ltd won’t permit them the space.

    But anyway, really it makes sense…..extremists attract extremists, and thankfully most sensible people don’t bother reading the nonsense, so they are only preaching to the one or two converts they have.
    Most people that will vote Liberal, are just ordinary middle of the road types that are not interested in drivel written by morons.
    But when they win, all those idiot extremists and ‘journalists’ will pronounce how conservative the population is, when in reality it’s nothing like that.

    I suppose that’s a long way of saying…who gives a stuff what hopelessly biased bullshit artists have to say? And even if it’s correct nobody will have read it anyway except for the deluded that hang on their every word.

    And anyway, did you decide I was not worthy of critique and categorising?
    My wife is annoyed with me cos i told her I knew of a wonderful palm reader, that will tell you all about yourself from a few lines written on a bulletin board.
    And then delivery never happened….how disappointing.

  4. Iain Hall says:

    Richard
    Are you seriously suggesting that the Gillard government has anything to recommend it?
    or that it is not unelectable?

  5. Richard Ryan says:

    I think the Gillard government are doing a good job here in the United States of Australia—except for foreign troops based on Australian soil—–mostly rejects from Japan, who are no longer welcome there—–and who would blame the Japs, after the worst nuclear disaster there in history, the dropping of two wapons of mass destruction in 1945. Now who’s turn is it next to drop nuclear bombs on innocent civilians?

  6. Iain Hall says:

    Alan

    The interesting thing when you read blogs from the extremist right fan boys, is that they continuously refer to the same ‘journalists’(haha that is funny) like Bolt and Devine and Ackerman.

    Are you suggesting that I am “extreme right”? 🙄

    Perhaps they need theses people to express their own feelings in a way they can’t themselves.
    So then I started thinking, who are those extremist left ‘journalists’.

    Try David Marr, Clive Hamilton, Bernard Keane, Jo Chandler, there are more but they are not hard to find.

    And oddly I couldn’t think of any, don’t those extremists deserve their own fan boys?
    Maybe News Ltd won’t permit them the space.

    News LTD has former commo Phillip Adams and an endless number of pieces by lefties in their opinion sections

    But anyway, really it makes sense…..extremists attract extremists, and thankfully most sensible people don’t bother reading the nonsense, so they are only preaching to the one or two converts they have.

    While I fully understand the notion of confirmation bias but the problem for the Labor government is that its not just those you describe as ‘extremists’ who think that Labor is a lost cause, its the majority of voters

    Most people that will vote Liberal, are just ordinary middle of the road types that are not interested in drivel written by morons.

    Which is why they are rejecting the excuse making form the government.

    But when they win, all those idiot extremists and ‘journalists’ will pronounce how conservative the population is, when in reality it’s nothing like that.

    I’ll do better than that I’ll tell you that the population is essentially conservative now, especially in the light of the attempts from both sides of politics( *although the left are keener than the right to do this ) to reinvent society. I call it reform fatigue.

    I suppose that’s a long way of saying…who gives a stuff what hopelessly biased bullshit artists have to say? And even if it’s correct nobody will have read it anyway except for the deluded that hang on their every word.

    Those of us who enjoy following the soap opera are actually enjoying the whole show which is rating far higher than you are willing to concede

    And anyway, did you decide I was not worthy of critique and categorising?
    My wife is annoyed with me cos i told her I knew of a wonderful palm reader, that will tell you all about yourself from a few lines written on a bulletin board.

    I posed a rhetorical question Alan, it was not a notice of my intention to critique and categorise you.

    And then delivery never happened…how disappointing.

    If you really want it all you have to do is ask.

  7. alan says:

    I can remember, when every state government was Labor.
    Federal was Liberal.
    Bolt said that we are a nation of conservative voters because Howard was elected.
    Now nonsensical is that?
    Even the most hopelessly biased (except for him) can see the absurdity of that statement of his, in light of the fact that all but federal was Labor, and not just old Labor governments either.

    There will be no opposition as such to keep Abbott and his other extremists like Andrews and Abetz and the like in line.
    They get free rein, and so the country will suffer.
    So if you think Australia is bad now, then give it a bit more time.
    Howard got rolled because he controlled everything, and so he could do anything he liked basically and did, and the population didn’t take kindly to it.
    I think Abbott will do the same only much much more and worse, and unlike Howard the guy is a fruit cake.

    Pity about the non critique. I needed cheering up.

  8. alan says:

    oh and if those guys are extremist left journalists…..how come i have not heard anything much about them and don’t even know where to read stuff from them.
    and why have i not read of people everywhere attacking them as extremists like i do with those other like bolt?
    maybe its only people that are extremists themselves can see them in that light?

  9. Iain Hall says:


    Alan

    I can remember, when every state government was Labor.
    Federal was Liberal.

    I suggest that you hold tight onto that memory because it will be a long time before you see the ALP holding all of the state governments again

    Bolt said that we are a nation of conservative voters because Howard was elected.
    Now nonsensical is that?

    I don’t think that he makes that argument at all actaully.

    Even the most hopelessly biased (except for him) can see the absurdity of that statement of his, in light of the fact that all but federal was Labor, and not just old Labor governments either.

    Have you heard of the electoral cycle Alan? The trouble for Labor is that they have to readily embraced loopy far left causes like having open borders or pandering to the Profits of the green religion. Had they stuck to good old fashioned Labor values rather then the millenarian nonsense they would be in far better shape than they are now.

    There will be no opposition as such to keep Abbott and his other extremists like Andrews and Abetz and the like in line.
    They get free rein, and so the country will suffer.

    I tend to agree that a viable opposition is a good thing and that we are unlikely to see such a thing for a while however I disagree with you suggestion that an Abbot government are going to be like drunken sailors in a whore house in government.

    So if you think Australia is bad now, then give it a bit more time.

    I have never thought that Australia is bad now only that it would be better under a government not led by the mob of spivs and chancers under Labor.

    Howard got rolled because he controlled everything, and so he could do anything he liked basically and did, and the population didn’t take kindly to it.

    No Howard got rolled because of Workchoices* more than anything else and only because Rudd lied to the electorate when he insisted that he was “a fiscal conservative” therefore a safe pair of hand to run the country.

    I think Abbott will do the same only much much more and worse, and unlike Howard the guy is a fruit cake.

    No he is a very astute political player who will not be making the mistakes that Labor have become famous for.

    Pity about the non critique. I needed cheering up.

    Try some drugs then or maybe you can convince your missius that its Saturday night already 😉

    oh and if those guys are extremist left journalists…..how come I have not heard anything much about them and don’t even know where to read stuff from them.

    I don’t know Alan maybe its just that you and I have very different definitions of extremism and the left.

    and why have i not read of people everywhere attacking them as extremists like i do with those other like bolt?
    maybe its only people that are extremists themselves can see them in that light?

    I suspect that its your confirmation bias kicking in Alan

  10. alan says:

    Bolt said that we are a nation of conservative voters because Howard was elected.
    Now nonsensical is that?

    “I don’t think that he makes that argument at all actaully.”

    You can think what you like, but he did say it at the time, of that I am 100% sure.
    Do you think I dreamed it, or just want to be like him and sprout things I know are untrue?

    and why have i not read of people everywhere attacking them as extremists like i do with those other like bolt?
    maybe its only people that are extremists themselves can see them in that light?

    “I suspect that its your confirmation bias kicking in Alan”

    Wrong answer, I knew as soon as I wrote it, that I shouldn’t have, because If you read it properly the same could be said of me.
    But its probably true, I am an extremist, in that I can’t stand extremists of any type!!

  11. Iain Hall says:

    Alan find the appropriate citation or it was never said 🙄

  12. alan says:

    be buggered i am not looking for it.
    it means i would have to go over there and search for something he said years ago and it’s not going to happen.

  13. Iain Hall says:

    Sorry Alan looks like you will have to lube up the fundament then, or just accept that I need more than your say so on something like this.

  14. alan says:

    well at least you can see the absurdity of it,….somewhat surprisingly!
    it’s not the same as opinion, where people can disagree, it’s cold hard fact that he said it, and really i don’t care if you believe it or not.
    he didn’t actually mention that all the states were labor, but anybody with half a brain would have thought about that fact, before spouting such idiotic nonsense

  15. Iain Hall says:

    Alan he may have said it, but its just as likely that he said something that gave you the impression of that particular meaning when in fact his intention and actual meaning was something else entirely, thus when someone like you tells me that Bolta or anyone else said “blah” I always ask them to prove it with the appropriate citation.
    As I said earlier I will believe you when you provide the quote of him saying that.
    With all of your computer experience don’t you know how to use Google?

  16. alan says:

    well i am not going to, but it does raise an interesting question, just because i can program, why should i be knowledgeable on any other aspect of computers?
    i basically have no idea of new technology, don’t even have a mobile phone for that matter.
    and i find your blog to be a pain in the arse too, having to retype my addy every time, but that’s obviously me.
    and the other point is it doesn’t interest me enough to want to go looking, i know it’s fact and that’s all i care about.

  17. Iain Hall says:

    what browser are you using Alan?
    If you create Gravatar profile it will remember you at each comment and you can have your own avatar displayed rather than the computer generated one that is there at present.
    On the other thing have you heard the philosophical question about a tree falling in the Forrest?

  18. jules says:

    I thought this pretty much covered it for Tony (Windsor) & Julia

  19. Iain Hall says:

    Hmm most apt Jules

  20. GD says:

    I thought this pretty much covered it for Tony (Windsor) & Julia

    and Craig Thompson & Peter Slipper….

    Perhaps it should be their new Party song

  21. Richard Ryan says:

    For the record Bolt thinks Murdoch is a great guy——this is the media baron who renounced his Aussie citizenship for the almighty American peso—–Bolt and Murdoch birds of a feather, both media whores.

  22. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain, I’m not sure why you’ve reblogged someone else’s blog that merely points to yet another blog (at the DT) but Devine’s piece is full of hot air. Actually it’s a hot air balloon and inside the balloon is a smelly fart. It’s barracking writ large. No substance. Miranda is to News Ltd what Jo Chandler is to Fairfax. You know, useless.

    Windsor did not “betray” anyone. He’s done nothing wrong and has acted with integrity and dignity throughout the whole thing since the 2010 election. This is just a case of you conservative-supporters hating him because he didn’t back Abbott. But if he had, would things be any different, any better? I doubt it.

  23. GD says:

    Windsor was elected as an independent by a conservative electorate. He chose Labor, he says, for stable government. Since then Labor has lurched from one crises to another. And yet Windsor still backs Labor at every turn, calling Abbott a ‘rabid dog’.

    He chose Labor for his personal vendetta against the Nationals, and therefore the Coalition. By not holding to his independent status he has betrayed his electorate.

    Miranda Devine’s column is spot-on.

  24. Ray Dixon says:

    By not holding to his independent status he has betrayed his electorate.

    We’ve already had this argument, GD. Windsor received 62% of the vote in his electorate … as an INNDEPENDENT, not a conservative. The coalition received only 25%. Where do you get off claiming it’s a “conservative electorate”?

    That’s just idiotic, GD.

  25. GD says:

    So as an independent he then aligns completely with the Labor Party. No independence when things are going down the tubes, he has become a de facto Labor member for the duration of this government. Based on your figures, Labor received 13% of the vote, half that of the Libs, but Windsor sided with Labor. By continuing to support Labor when over half the country want them gone is a betrayal of the independent mandate that he was elected on.

    For all purposes, a de facto Labor MP. As that galoot Oakeshott is.

  26. Ray Dixon says:

    And if he’d backed Abbott you’d be singing his praises, GD. Let me know when you’ve stopped your barracking whinging.

  27. GD says:

    You’ve completely missed the point. The point being that by nominating as an independent Windsor should have made ‘independent’ decisions. Liberal or Labor. Instead he lied to his electorate and signed with Labor the moment the election was done.

  28. Ray Dixon says:

    But if he’d “signed” with the Liberals that would have been okay by you, of course.

  29. Iain Hall says:

    Oh no Ray the poisoned chalice of minority government is something that Gillard has always been welcome to, but if he was a true independent he would be doing the right thing for the nation and reconsidering his support for Gillard now and supporting a new election to give the country a more workable parliament.

  30. Ray Dixon says:

    That’s ridiculous, Iain. I think Windsor is in a better position than you are to say what he should do.

  31. Iain Hall says:

    Maybe not Ray because unlike Windsor I don’t have a big fat pecuniary interest in the outcome so I can be more ‘ah Hem’ “impartial” and “independent” 😉

  32. Ray Dixon says:

    I put it to you, Iain (& GD), that if Windsor had supported ‘sell my arse’ Abbott you two would be fawning all over him. And that your calls for him to “do the right thing” are nothing more than what you’ve wanted since Gillard formed a minority govt on 7 Sept 2010 – an new election. A replay of the Grand Final because, you know, “we lost but we shoulda won”. Sore losers.

  33. alan says:

    perhaps windsor realises the alternative is unthinkable, and would prefer the lesser of two evils.
    smart thinking in my view.

  34. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    Your claim is based upon a false premise , namely that had the independents gone with Abbott that he too would be in a whole world of political pain at present like Gillard is. Well think about it for a second.
    Would Abbott have a hated carbon tax pending having promised “there will be no carbon tax under a government that I lead“?
    Would Abbott have the blood of Kevin Rudd on his hands?
    Would Abbott have continuing speculation about his fitness to lead?
    Would Abbott have had the Craig Thompson Affair to contend with?
    Would Abbott have the broken promise to Andrew Wilkie ?
    Would Abbott have an endless stream of boats showing the people his weakness on border protection?
    Would Abbott have made Slipper speaker?
    Finally would Abbott be as frightened of facing the people as Gillard is?

    No on all counts Ray

  35. alan says:

    that’s nonsense talk.

    he could have, and more than likely would have, stuffed up in his own and probably much worse ways.
    only a dill could compare what one has done, against another that has not had to show what he can do yet.

    and then i was thinking to myself……although i can’t stand the sight of her, how has she actually made the country a worse place than it was previously?

  36. Iain Hall says:

    Alan

    he could have, and more than likely would have, stuffed up in his own and probably much worse ways.
    only a dill could compare what one has done, against another that has not had to show what he can do yet.

    While I am happy to accept that a mistake or two from Abbott might have been possible it is entirety unbelievable that he could have stuffed up as extensively or as often as Gillard has

  37. Ray Dixon says:

    Would Abbott have a hated carbon tax pending having promised “there will be no carbon tax under a government that I lead“?
    No, but he’d have resurrected a form of WorkChoices from the ‘dead, buried, cremated’ basket.

    Would Abbott have the blood of Kevin Rudd on his hands?
    No, only the blood of Malcolm Turnbull.

    Would Abbott have continuing speculation about his fitness to lead?
    Bloody oath he would.

    Would Abbott have had the Craig Thompson Affair to contend with?
    No, he’d have the Sophie Mirabella Affair.

    Would Abbott have the broken promise to Andrew Wilkie ?
    Yes, if Wilkie had supported him he’d have to find a way to wriggle out of the loopy pokie reforms. Also, he’d renege on the $1 billion he promised him for Hobart’s hospitals, remember?

    Would Abbott have an endless stream of boats showing the people his weakness on border protection?
    No. He’d have outrage at his inhumane treatment of asylum seekers and his failure to meet our international obligations.

    Would Abbott have made Slipper speaker?
    No, he’d have appointed Craig Thomson – geddit?

    Finally would Abbott be as frightened of facing the people as Gillard is?
    Yes. In all likelihood, Abbott would be as unpopular as Gillard is today. Minority govt is indeed a ‘poison chalice’, as you pointed out earlier.

    Face it, Iain, you’re just barracking.

  38. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    I may be “barracking” in your terms but that is for the same reason that you back the Saints, namely I think that they are a better team 😉

  39. Ray Dixon says:

    That’s where you’re wrong, Iain. I don’t think they’re better – they’re just my team.

  40. Iain Hall says:

    Why do you support them over any other team then Ray?

  41. alan says:

    Well I support Melbourne, and I sure don’t think they’re a better team, but one can always hope.
    Gee, the more I read over here, the more incredulous I get about the logic of some people.

    Ray…..what do you reckon the odds would be of having two St Kilda Brownlow winners as PE teachers as I did in the distant past, at 2 different schools?

  42. Ray Dixon says:

    It’s like “love”, Iain.

  43. Iain Hall says:

    Alan

    Well I support Melbourne, and I sure don’t think they’re a better team, but one can always hope.
    Gee, the more I read over here, the more incredulous I get about the logic of some people.

    I thought you abhorred all types of religion and here you are admitting to being a devotee of the four stick faith! Oh the humanity.

    Ray

    “Love”???? Oh dear that must explain the tight shorts then.

  44. Ray Dixon says:

    They don’t wear tight shorts anymore, Iain. Not since the days of Warwick Capper. Eric (remember him?) liked ’em.

  45. Iain Hall says:

    Okay I’ll take your word on that!

  46. Ray Dixon says:

    what do you reckon the odds would be of having two St Kilda Brownlow winners as PE teachers as I did in the distant past, at 2 different schools?

    Pretty slim but I’ll take a guess at who they were:

    Ross Smith (Brownlow 1967)
    Neil Roberts (Brownlow 1958)

  47. alan says:

    Very good!
    Mentone Primary for Roberts
    Cheltenham High for Smith

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