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Opportunity vs outcomes? Hmm I back the former


A very interesting view of social justice and the eternal quest to make ours a far better and more equal society in Gary Johns’ opinion piece published in the Oz today i found myself nodding in agreement when I read it:

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Johns makes a very good point about competing advocacy and its influence on governemnt priorities but I particularity agree with what he says about successful people and the education outcomes of their children and the public heath matters hit the nail well and truly on the head.  I just can’t help wondering why the silvertail socialists, like our learned friend,  are so incapable of appreciating that some social problems might just be unsolvable and all of the hand wringing and the search for some evil successful people to blame for the woes of others is entirely futile. As a species human beings have a huge difference between individuals. Not just in our appearance but also in our abilities and ambitions. Not everyone wants to be a rocket scientist or an entrepreneur, a lawyer or a doctor. Some people are content to just live a very ordinary life free from anything even coming close to strong ambition. Without that can you imagine a world where everyone had to have  a degree for even the most mundane employment?

      Imagine having to have a PHD in Ditchology just to wield a shovel for the plumber, or that plumber needing to be a qualified hydraulic engineering graduate just to unblock a septic tank in-flow. Then there is the not insubstantial issue of payment for work done they tried the low pay for everyone under the now fallen  communist regimes of eastern Europe and look how that turned out. The result was a lack of any real incentive to do a good job or to make a decent product. No social equality is not about equal outcomes for every  individual its about each individual having and the opportunity (should they desire ) to become what they want and to live their lives as they please.   We are not perfect achieving this equality of opportunity but I reckon that we don’t do to badly.

Cheers Comrades


  1. Paul says:


    Your dead right mate, someones got to clean the dunnies hey. Sometimes work is just work and it’s always important to work to live not live to work, I always say.


  2. Iain Hall says:

    important to work to live not live to work,

    Hmm a sentiment that I fully endorse Paul 😉

  3. Iain Hall says:

    Its good to see that the law is starting to toughen up and come to grips with online nastiness:

    British police across the UK were notified about Mr Stacey’s offensive tweets at the time of posting on Saturday afternoon. Much of Mr Stacey’s thread has since been taken down, so here’s just a taste of what he had to say: “LOL. F*** Muamba. He’s dead!!! #haha.”

    Swansea District Judge John Charles described Stacey’s comments as “vile and abhorrent” and said he had no alternative but to jail the 21 year old man. “It was not the football world who was praying for [Muamba]…. everybody was praying for his life,” he told the court.

    If only the long arm of the law was always so swift and righteous. And harsh.

    On the surface of things Mr Stacey is just another young and stupid lad, who drank too many pints of Carling on a Saturday afternoon. He’s certainly tried his darnedest to take the cowardly route out of the charge. Flat out denial was followed by an attempt to delete his Twitter account, before he finally claimed the offensive remarks were results of him being very drunk on Saturday afternoon.

    But take a step back. If you spend even a part of your day online, you can see Mr Stacey within a wider and uglier net. Part of that enormous group of people who use the online world as a forum to express the worst sides of themselves and by extension, their humanity.

    Racism, sexism, violence and hatred are becoming more and more commonplace online. Perhaps one the worst things about this kind of behaviour is not just how baseless and cruel they are but also just how little the people spruiking these ideas, actually believe them.

    There is a lesson in this for the now dead blog’s players.

  4. Iain, the original article and this post smacks of two things: a survival-of-the-fittest mentality, and intellectual laziness. Some things in society are just unsolvable? What absolute rubbish.

  5. Iain Hall says:

    As much as I am willing to laud the idea of helping the less fortunate there comes a point when you just have to accept that not everyone can be saved or lifted up into a glorious and enlightened life.
    Darwin was right about survival of the fittest so who are we to resist the call of nature? 😉

  6. Simon says:

    I’ve never taken the “survival of the fittest” as a call for individualism. If we all share similar goals and can work together for survival while fulfilling our self interest wont we do better than the lone predators and their dog-eat-dog mindset or those that think that to be “fair” we all have to be the same?

  7. Iain Hall says:

    If you take the time to really get to know any people living in poverty are often very resourceful and clever at making the most of the opportunity that present themselves and the resources that are available to them.In any post apocalyptic scenario that wishes to based upon reality I would rate people already surviving on the social fringes to survive better that just about all of the intelligentsia and current social elites. That said I am not one of those people who believes in “I’m OK so fuck the world” and I am all for helping how and when we can but lets be realistic about what can be done.

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