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“Gay marriage”, the rainbow distraction for a very bad government


One of the ironies of living in a society that is now largely indifferent to those who bat for the other team is that when someone with a public profile “comes out” its more yawn inspiring than anything else:

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So she has told the world that she is Gay?

Sweetie, we just don’t care who you want to sleep with…

That said the “gay marriage” side show continues with not one but two destined to fail private members bills having recently been introduced to the parliament. You know if I didn’t know better I would be thinking that this whole  sideshow was being used bay a very on the nose government and a deeply in the shit Prime Minister as a diversion to distract a rather over her public from her appalling performance in the top job. If you think about it for just a minute you would realise what a perfect distraction it is. You have a whole swag of “talented” folk who are happy to let their emotions run wild for the issue and make a big and ostentatious noise for “equal love” while the PM has stated publicly that she does not want change so she knows that it won’t have to be delivered.

  All the while  screaming queens and  fag hags can be utterly full of righteous indignation that they can’t  make “marriage equality” happen yet they can continue to endorse the left for  trying to get it up in the parliament and nobly failing  in the good cause…

  Can’t you just see that someone is going to write some excessively sincere screenplay for the tele-movie? “Gay marriage, we almost made it in OZ”  financed by the useful idiots from “Get up” it will be a tale of what might have been if only good sense and the general indifference of the Australian people to the issue could have been bypassed after all in this country we just no longer care who you want to set up home with, just as long as all parties are consenting adults and you do it in private…

As for the useful idiots who support this cause (Hi Jezza!!! 😉  ), well no matter how often they insist that its all about  “equal rights” the people and more importantly the parliament are just not for turning and the sooner that you stop pretending other wise the sooner that a bad government won’t be able to hide behind your colourful distraction.

Cheers Comrades






  1. Ray Dixon says:

    Actually Iain, one of those two bills stands a good chance of being passed into law … with amendments to make it a separate civil union Act or the like. It won’t be Adam Ant’s bill though. The boy from Melbourne will get voted down pretty quick smart.

  2. Iain Hall says:

    That’s as maybe Ray, but it does not alter my point that the whole issue is just a colourful distraction from the main game of Australian politics, namely just how woeful this government is.

  3. Ray Dixon says:

    They’re not “woeful”, Iain, their only problem is the leader. I agree that Gay Marriage is not a pressing issue and has been beaten up by the Greens (who wouldn’t know a real social reform if it fell on them) and that’s why it’s taken so long for the matter to reach a bill formulation stage, despite all the lobbying. Face it, Iain, the ALP has run a pretty good ship in terms of keeping the Australian economy out of trouble. My major concern with them is the hasty introduction of a carbon tax but we’ll have to wait and see if that has the draconian impacts you and Abbott are saying it will. So far it appears it won’t do any damage and, in fact, as it’s designed to fund income tax reductions and other expenditure, it’s unlikely that even Abbott himself would dump it, if in the event he becomes PM … now there’s something that would be really woeful.

  4. damage says:

    Ray’s right Iain. In order to be woeful this government will require major improvement.

    Here’s my question.
    If it is acceptable for a person to view the world through the prism of their sexuality then why is it not ok for the world to view them through it?

    And why is it ok to hide your true identity for money?

  5. Ray Dixon says:

    “why is it ok to hide your true identity for money?”

    Who’s doing/done that? Magda? As Iain says, her sexuality is no one’s business and, in my opinion, I think her outing herself so publicly was simply a minor D grade celebrity doing what minor D grade celebrities do … keeping their name in the news. If anything, Magda has done the opposite to what you seem to be accusing her of – she’s actually revealed her true identity for money (just like she used her obeseness to get work on TV ads). Dare I say it? Your thinking is a bit “retarded”, damage.

  6. Iain Hall says:


    They’re not “woeful”, Iain, their only problem is the leader.

    Mate I know you love your ALP underpants but that is rather thick with the sugar coatings! Especially when just about everything that they try to do turns into crap, Carbon tax= Crap, the NBN= Mega cost blow-outs, asylum BOATS = AN UTTER POLITICAL DISASTER FOR LABOR, The assassination of Rudd was one thing but worse still than that is the way that Gillard has been trying to spin her role into that as a reluctant saviour of the party rather than an active plotter and sword sharpener in the deed.

    Yes you might be onto something there Ray because the ALP would be wishing that their performance as only just woeful rather than being a total and unmitigated disaster for the party and the nation.

  7. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain, I don’t “love” the ALP. I think they are fundamentally better principled than the Liberals are, that’s all. Let’s look at your so-called list of f*ck ups though:

    “Carbon tax= Crap” : Not proven yet, Iain. It doesn’t kick in until July. Wait and see.

    “the NBN= Mega cost blow-outs” : Not “mega”, Iain. Besides, can you name one government major project (or private for that matter) that did not incur cost increases as a result of unpredictable circumstances? Happens all the time. Even the average home builder or renovator usually ends up spending more than planned. So what? If the project is worthwhile and it delivers what it sets out to deliver, what’s the problem? Think of all the jobs the NBN rollout has created. Think of the ones it will continue to create. Just sitting on the money like Howard & Costello did does nothing for the economy. And nothing for you and I. Governments are supposed to spend money on infrastructure, Iain.

    “asylum BOATS = AN UTTER POLITICAL DISASTER FOR LABOR” : Only because the Liberals make it so. Only because they use boat people as a political football. The reality is that the boat people problem is not a major problem for this country. It’s just a cycle in world events and we have to play our part.

    That’s 0 from 3 for you, Iain.

  8. damage says:

    Magda has admitted that she has delayed the announcement because she believed it would restrict her career and cost her work – therefore money.
    It isn’t my interpretation Ray it’s the facts as she presented them.
    She’s not the only one who’s ever done it either.
    I find it paradoxical that people who want to be free to express their way of life are so willing to allow that freedom to be expressed for a few extra dollars. Or a lot extra actually.

  9. damage says:

    1. Alcoa
    2. 27 clients in Brunswick when 65% of the suburb is on NBN
    3. The ALP can’t deliver a solution because there’s opposition to it? And that isn’t a failure?

    Very forgiving Ray.

  10. Ray Dixon says:

    Magda has admitted that she has delayed the announcement because she believed it would restrict her career and cost her work – therefore money.

    That’s just more grandstanding by her, damage. And it’s crap. You should know that – just when, how and where has anyone in her trade suffered restricted opportunity for being gay? Think, damage, think. I know it’s hard but give it a try.

  11. Ray Dixon says:

    The NBN is a ten year project. Of course it won’t be fully taken up until it’s completed. And until it’s commercialised and then competition brings connection fees down.

  12. damage says:

    Would you like a list.
    Rock Hudson
    Graheme Kennedy
    Kerry Grant
    Allan lad
    Liberace (FFS he sued and won)
    Jonny Mathis
    John Michael Howson
    Elton John (for many years)
    I could go on
    Most of them never came out and none of them came out to revive a flagging carreer.

  13. Ray Dixon says:

    Yes – and they’re all from a different era. Over Magda’s career though, there have been no such restrictions, which is the point I was making – she was bullshitting and grandstanding. Do try harder. Do try to think outside your limited imagination and “retarded” way of looking at the world.

  14. damage says:

    I’m not going to engage with you in this Ray.
    Leave it to “you – as usual – are wrong”

  15. Ray Dixon says:

    LMAO. You come up with a list of yesteryear celebrities who kept their gayness quiet for fear of losing opportunity and, when I point out that Magda has suffered no such restriction in her time and is only coming ‘out’ to promote herself, you run away.

  16. damage says:

    Yes your probably right.

    How about I name someone who’s protecting their homosexuality to stop them losing income?

  17. Ray Dixon says:

    Up to you. If you’re into outing people’s private lives then all I can say is … its’ no f*cking surprise to me that you would behave like a stalker.

  18. damage says:

    Ray Dixon

  19. damage says:

    Actually that’s just taking the piss.

    Jeff Kennet has suggested exactly that this morning in the AFL.
    As many as 40 (probably all at St Kilda given who their captain is) players are gay and as far as I know not one AFL player has ever come out. WHY?

  20. Ray Dixon says:

    I dunno, “damage”, and you might be right about the Saints, or some of them. I’m sure there are many AFL players who are gay but fear the consequences of coming out.

    But again, you fail to make a point or win an argument. Hint: I was only referring to Magda’s industry when I asked:

    “just when, how and where has anyone in her trade suffered restricted opportunity for being gay?”.

    Get it? The entertainment, comedy & TV industry. It’s cool to be gay in that industry and has been for quite a while. And actually no hinderance at all. Eg Graham Norton. Eg Molly Meldrum. Eg Ellen De Generes. And the list goes on.


  21. damage says:

    Actually – I wasn’t refering to her industry though. You’re attempting to restrict the conversatio. I was being quite broad and that would include the Saints list.
    I said

    “And why is it ok to hide your true identity for money?”
    and then

    “I find it paradoxical that people who want to be free to express their way of life are so willing to allow that freedom to be expressed for a few extra dollars. Or a lot extra actually.”

    There are many in the entertainment industry who are gay and won’t come out.
    You must have heard the talk.
    I’m not suggesting that these names are all correct, but they can’t all be wrong….
    George Clooney
    Tom Cruise
    Brad Pitt
    Jodi Foster
    Michael Jackson

    Very powerful entertainment people, but not exactly “out”

  22. Ray Dixon says:

    Oh geezus, more semantic nitpicking from someone who can’t admit he was wrong.

    To quote you, “damage”, even Jeremy did that!

    And yes, there are obviously current day entertainers who haven’t come out … for personal reasons. But I repeat: being gay is certainly no hinderance to people in that industry. In fact it can be (and is) used as a lever to promote themselves and make more money. Like Magda was doing. Like is the opposite of your original assertion about her.

    Go and get some rest. You’re just so tiresome. Enough. Call it an end. You lost. Game over.

  23. Iain Hall says:


    Iain, I don’t “love” the ALP. I think they are fundamentally better principled than the Liberals are,

    Well we will have to agree to disagree because for me, after supporting Labor for most of may life I just can’t countenance continuing to do so and I can’t ignore their seeming inability to do anything right. The Libs are by no means perfect Ray but at least they can do their sums right and that counts for a fair bit in these economic times.

    “Carbon tax= Crap” : Not proven yet, Iain. It doesn’t kick in until July. Wait and see.

    The AGW “wave” has well and truly passed Ray and this tax regime is already having negative consequences.

    So what? If the project is worthwhile and it delivers what it sets out to deliver, what’s the problem? Think of all the jobs the NBN rollout has created. Think of the ones it will continue to create. Just sitting on the money like Howard & Costello did does nothing for the economy. And nothing for you and I. Governments are supposed to spend money on infrastructure, Iain.

    I dunno about how worth while it is Ray my brother has just got hooked up to the NBN satellite service and he is very happy with it but I can’t stop thinking that the whole thing is a Rolls Royce solution to a Ford problem all being put on the national credit card, It does not seem to give enough benefit for the cost involved from what I can see.

    “asylum BOATS = AN UTTER POLITICAL DISASTER FOR LABOR” : Only because the Liberals make it so. Only because they use boat people as a political football. The reality is that the boat people problem is not a major problem for this country. It’s just a cycle in world events and we have to play our part.

    The boats themselves may well be a lesser magnitude problem Ray but for Labor the problem has been how they changed the settings and then kept insisting that the subsequent increase in boat arrivals was not their fault. Its the spin and its failure to convince anyone that is the political problem for Labor, as well as beauties like “the Timor solution” “the Malaysian Solution” the riots at various centres, sorry ray but you can’t win by claiming that its all of the political woes are exaggerated and an invention of the Libs. Labor have been wedged first by Rudd wanting to make the grand gesture to the far left and then by Gillard’s incompetence that saw her announcing “solutions” before they were ready or even agreed to by third parties that have done Labor in on this issue.

  24. Iain Hall says:

    Something we agree on Ray: batting for the other team in the entertainment industry is no hindrance to your career In fact I reckon that in some cases being straight would be more of a problem for your career!!!

  25. Ray Dixon says:

    I think a lot of the ALP’s current poor showing in the polls can be sheeted back home to the fact they’re in a minority government and have had to do deals with the Greens & independents, Iain. Windsor & Oakeshott backed the NBN and a price on carbon. That was important to them. The Greens of course wanted gay marriage (#1 priority for those tossers!) and a price on carbon too. And Wilkie wanted … to be a freakin national hero in the eyes of anti-gambling zealots. Bad luck about that!

    Anyway, it also gets back to Gillard’s willingness to just say “yes” to these independent big noters. And the Greens. And then to do about-faces.

    It therefore also gets back to the fact she knifed Rudd and proceeded to almost lose government when Rudd probably wouldn’t have.

    What I’m saying is this “woefullness” you talk of can be sheeted back to one person – Julia Gillard. And she’s got to go. Rudd mightn’t win the next election for them (let’s face it, he’s been damaged by this too) but I’m positive he will make it a much closer run result and, in the process, save the party from electoral oblivion.

  26. Ray Dixon says:

    Of course being gay is no hinderance in the entertainment game, Iain. I mean, those blokes in “Queer eye for the straight guy” wouldn’t have even had a concept, let alone a career, if they hadn’t come out. There are so many examples of people pushing their gay lifestyle for profit that it ain’t funny. Now Magda’s in on the act – and she ain’t “funny” either, even though she’s a so-called comedian. Nearly ruined ‘Kath & Kim’, she did.

  27. damage says:

    Ray those people have not come out because there is a perception BY THOSE PEOPLE that doing so will affect their pay packets. How does Pitt look smooching Cameron Diaz if one or both of them admits being gay? Does Tom Hanks (who is not gay) get the part of John Miller if he’s gay? Oh yes he gets to play Andrew Beckett, but that’s different. Penn played Milk, but he also played Sam and he’s neither gay nor intellectually disabed, but if he was gay, the definate perception is that he won’t be playing leading rolls and his pay packets will go south.

    I get that some gay people don’t suffer that effect, but there’s no doubt that many think they will and so stay “in”. That’s specific to the entertainment industry, but as I pointed out, my comment was far broader and it stands.

    Now you claim your victory Ray. If that’s what makes you feel adequate. I’m making a point, not seeking a win.

  28. Ray Dixon says:

    Oh, you’re still at it … like a dog with a bone. Look, I was only talking about Magda – remember? She’s the subject of this post. You haven’t made any point, and it’s not about “victory’, it’s about you and your convoluted way of attempting to avoid these 3 words – “I. WAS. WRONG.” Over and out.

  29. damage says:

    In the interest of accuracy we’ll have a look at the history of the post shall we.

    The post is about Magda coming oout and about gay marriage.

    Ray first commented that the laws probably will get through. And a snide gay remark about Bandt.

    Iain reitterated that he still thought the issue was about a smoke screen to hide the poor performance of the government.

    Ray defended the government.

    I asked why people who are gay (not limited to entertainers) want to hide it to protect their incomes.

    Ray said that entertainers often come out and he’s right, but many still stay in – to protect their incomes – my point in the first place.
    So how does it occur to Ray that I was wrong when it was he who saught to change the subject to a single person or a single group of people?

    If I was wrong Ray I would say I was. However it remains true that many people who are gay remain in the closet to protect their careers and life styles – even entertainers – who I agree are less likely to be affected.
    That was the point you think I didn’t have.

    Just let’s be honest eh?

  30. Ray Dixon says:

    Yeah, well you’re rewriting history, damage, all because you haven’t the good grace to admit you were wrong, or even that you misunderstood me. The fact is you answered my question about Magda and her “trade” by referring to (1) those in her trade from prior eras (2) those in other trades like sport. Give it a bone, damage.

  31. damage says:

    Ok Ray. You win. You are clearly the smartest person here and you’re right.

  32. GD says:

    They’re not “woeful”….their only problem is the leader.

    Oh come now Ray, that really is looking for a silver lining in a very dark cloud. The Rudd cabinet put into place many of the policies in play today. Julia is responsible for the carbon tax, but not without her kitchen cabinet support. Penny Wong, the then climate minister supported it with gusto, delivering quite a few quotable lines that have come back to bite her.

    Current climate minister Greg Combet came back from the tax-payer funded piss-up in Durban glowing over the results for Australia and the planet, even though nothing was decided. Well, one thing was decided, we’re going to give 10% of the Carbon Tax to the UN. That, in anyone’s book is sheer lunacy.

    It doesn’t stop there. Everywhere you look, there is profligate spending for little or no result. The NBN may be a wonderful bit of ‘infrastructuring’, but given Labor’s record the costs continue to blow out. Even a seemingly simple initiative like the set top boxes has blown out to more than twice the price, ballooning to an average of $698 per installation. Harvey Norman sells them for less than $100. http://smarthouse.com.au/TVs_And_Large_Display/Industry/A4V7J8D9

    Every child will have a laptop was a good one. Only half have been delivered. Those that have are already superceded. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/rudd-giveaway-gripes-students-slam-slow-laptops-20110812-1iq3w.html

    And back to the pointless, unless they’re trying to destroy the economy, carbon tax, we’ve got Alcoa closing down an aluminium smelter. While this is ostensibly for other reasons, such as the high dollar, or inefficient plant, the overreaching issue is the imposition in four months of a new tax on what is the most electricity intensive industry in the country. This is a bad result for Australia. We have large deposits of bauxite, and the aluminium industry is one manufacturing industry we can be proud of.

    While Joolia cries crocodile tears over the lost jobs, co-prime minister Bob Brown is crowing about the closure of an out-dated industry. Contrary to your view that the carbon tax hasn’t been implemented yet, business, especially big business, plans ahead. Four months is a relatively short time frame and businesses across Australia are assessing their exposure to this insidious tax.

    No Ray, Joolia isn’t capable of wreaking this havoc all on her ownsome, she’s got lots of help from the inept members of her and Rudd’s cabinet.

    The lot are rotten.

  33. Ray Dixon says:

    Boy, GD, you sure have detailed a list of disasters there under the 4 years of the current ALP government … I think not. Seriously mate, if that’s all you’ve got you ain’t got much to criticise them over. A tax here, an overspend there … big f*cking deal. That’s what governments do. Unless it’s a Liberal one – they just add taxes, hoard the money and don’t spend. Brilliant! Bunch of neanderthal conservatives with about as much vision as the man with the seeing-eye dog.

  34. GD says:

    ‘A Liberal one – they just add taxes’, oh Ray for crying out loud, what the hell is the carbon tax, the mining tax etc?

    oh and btw under 4 years of Labor government here’s a few more…

    1. Carbon Tax – “There will be no carbon tax under the Government I lead.”
    2. NBN – $50 billion but no cost-benefit analysis
    3. Building the Education Revolution – The school halls fiasco
    4. Home Insulation Plan (Pink Batts) – Dumped
    5. Citizens Assembly – Dumped
    6. Cash for Clunkers – Dumped
    7. Hospital Reform – Nothing
    8. Digital set-top boxes – Cheaper at Harvey Norman
    9. Emissions Trading Scheme – Abandoned
    10. Mining Tax – Continuing uncertainty for our miners
    11. Livestock export ban to Indonesia – Over-reaction
    12. Detention Centres – Riots & cost blow-outs
    13. East Timor ‘solution’ – Announced before agreed
    14. Malaysia ‘solution’ – Still not agreed
    15. Manus Island ‘solution’ – On the backburner
    16. Computers in Schools – $1.4 billion blow out; less than half delivered
    17. Cutting Red Tape – 12,835 new regulations, only 58 repealed
    18. Asia Pacific Community – Another expensive Rudd frolic. Going nowhere
    19. Green Loans Program – Abandoned. Only 3.5% of promised loans delivered
    20. Solar Homes & Communities plan – Shut down after $534 million blow out
    21. Green Car Innovation Fund – Abandoned
    22. Solar Credits Scheme – Scaled back
    23. Green Start Program – Scrapped
    24. Retooling for Climate Change Program – Abolished
    25. Childcare Centres – Abandoned. 260 promised, only 38 delivered
    26. Take a “meat axe”’ to the Public Service – 24,000 more public servants
    27. Murray Darling Basin Plan – back to the drawing board
    28. 2020 Summit – Meaningless talkfest
    29. Tax Summit – Deferred and downgraded
    30. Population Policy – Sets no targets
    31. Fuel Watch – Abandoned
    32. Grocery Choice – Abandoned
    33. $900 Stimulus cheques – Sent to dead people and overseas residents
    34. Foreign Policy – In turmoil with Rudd running riot
    35. National Schools Solar Program – Closing two years early
    36. Solar Hot Water Rebate – Abandoned
    37. Oceanic Viking – Caved in
    38. GP Super Clinics – 64 promised, only 11 operational
    39. Defence Family Healthcare Clinics – 12 promised, none delivered
    40. Trade Training Centres – 2650 promised, 70 operational
    41. Bid for UN Security Council seat – An expensive Rudd frolic
    42. MySchool Website – Revamped but problems continue
    43. National Curriculum – States in uproar
    44. Small Business Superannuation Clearing House – 99% of small businesses reject it
    45. Indigenous Housing Program – way behind schedule
    46. Rudd Bank – Went nowhere
    47. Using cheap Chinese fabrics for ADF uniforms – Ditched
    48. Innovation Ambassadors Program – junked
    49. Six Submarines – none operational
    50. Debt limit to be increased to $250 billion – to pay for all of this and much more

    That’s a pretty good list of reasons to not vote Labor for a long time.

  35. Ray Dixon says:

    Well, GD, you’ve come up with a pretty comprehensive list that proves one thing – the government is doing things. Okay, not all of them are winners, but I’d take their action plan over your Liberal party’s no plans, no vision and no f*cking idea all day long.

  36. GD says:

    Oh come on Ray, have a laugh! All I have to do is link to the LIbs’ site to show their grounded, reasonable, given the deficit blow-out by this mob, policies to put the country on a steady track. Face it, this government can’t continue to operate as it currently is. Someone needs to call an election.

  37. Ray Dixon says:

    Really GD? Abbott won’t say what he’ll do with the means test on the private health care rebate. Will he scrap it or not? And if so, how will he return a surplus? Also, if he scraps the carbon tax, how will he return a surplus without putting taxes up? And how will he cut $70 billion from expenditure without causing a recession? The man has no economic plan whatsoever and, FFS, look at his shadow Treasurer, Joe ‘shifty eyes’ Hockey. Couldn’t even add up. Couldn’t produce a budget, let alone balance one. Go ahead, extoll the virtues of your Liberal party nonces who are just a pack of born-to-rule dumbwits. But don’t worry, as it stands, they’ll probably get a chance to show us just how freakin’ useless they are after the 2013 election. Then you’ll truly get the government you kneejerkers deserve.

  38. GD says:

    So you’d rather this government stays in power?

    As for a surplus, oh that’s a joke, you’ve downplayed the issue of a deficit many times, when it relates to Labor. Unless the Libs go stupid crazy, they will not be as economically ‘retarded’ as this mob. As Wyatt Roy says, he’ll be 110 before we pay off this debt that Labor has accumulated.

  39. Simon says:

    Sticking in my two cents (I don’t want to ruin the discussion on Lab v Lib, it’s a good one) but I had always assumed Madga was gay. I mean a female comedian – they have to be at least bi-curious don’t they?

  40. GD says:

    I’d be more up-front and say, she’d have to be a leso….

  41. GD says:

    and good luck to her….who gives a rat’s…

  42. Ray Dixon says:

    Magda’s a waste of (a lot of) space. A self-promoting no talent actor/comedian who keeps her name in the media by any means she can – be that over her weight or ‘oh, btw, I’m gay’ acts. She’s a phoney and who the hell needs to know what she does in bed? Urggggh – the thought is not a pleasant one.

    Oh yeah, I hear she said one of the reasons she stayed silent was she was worried that her nephews & nieces might be teased at school about it. Firstly, that’s crap. Seccondly, well she’s just blown it for them in that case!

  43. Ray Dixon says:

    So you’d rather this government stays in power?

    No. I’d rather see a Rudd government get another term. The one he had taken from him. He’s the country’s only real leader.

  44. damage says:

    Then spare us.

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