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More Searing hypocrisy from Jeremy

It's only bad to call others retard when you aren't left

On February 12 2012 Jeremy Sear attacked Joe Hildebrand for using the term ‘retard’ as an insult.

Yet on January 30 2012 Jeremy wrote on this blog that “I know that arguing with witless Leon on the internet is like participating in the Special Olympics”.

One rule for Jeremy, eh?

More concerning Jeremy’s hypocrisy on this issue can be found at J.F Beck and Tim Blair.

Unbelievable hypocrisy.

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59 Comments

  1. damage says:

    In comments he has sarcasticly admitted being the internet’s biggest hypocrite, but has not apologised for his past use of un pc terms. Ah the irony.

  2. damage says:

    Read on at Jeremy’s purile person blog. His defence of his own hypocricy is as uncomfortable to read as Gillards squirming on 4 corners last night.

    It reminds one of watching the Fonze try to say he was “wrong”.
    Iain migh pop a youtube of that in.

    As a parody of himself Jezza is a seriously funny man.

  3. Leon Bertrand says:

    Good spot Damage.

    We should call this one the Sear defence because of its uniqueness:

    “See the word “elsewhere” at the start of the heading? This isn’t a proper post, it’s a link to someone else’s discussion.”

    Nevermind the fact that he obviously quoted Stella Young with approval and that he claimed that Hildebrand was fighting “for the right of the privileged to crush the spirits of the disadvantaged”.

    No, now its just a quote with a link without any comment being passed on whether he agrees or not.

    Unbelieveable. Especially conming from a self-appointed guardian of intellectual honesty.

  4. Ray Dixon says:

    Notice where the full stop is in his comment?

    You’re right. I am THE INTERNET’S GREATEST. HYPOCRITE.

    Interpretation: Jeremy claims to be “the Internet’s greatest” (person/blogger). And if you don’t believe that you’re a “hypocrite”.

  5. Iain Hall says:

    Well spotted Ray but for the benefit of those who have not read the full comment here it is and the one it responds to:

    1. Howard,B.
      Posted February 14, 2012 at 1:38 am | Permalink

      Andrew36 @ 32

      Well, Jesus H. Christ. I think this needs a linkin’ to.

      Here’s Matthew “Standards” of Canberra:

      ‘Is, or is not, ayn rand the most mentally retarded person to have ever been considered a “philosopher”’

      And here’s Jeremy “It’s offensive!” Sear:

      ‘…the authorities come up with pretty much the most retarded “nickname” imaginable,…’

      ‘Retarded’ and the such has been used in a derogatory sense in comments published under the current gatekeepers’ watch. Given that the comments policy of this blog states…

      Any comments that the Pure Poison team deems to be unacceptable will be deleted or edited as soon as they are detected.

      …suggests that what the Pure Poison team deems ‘unacceptable’ in terms of insults refering to the mental handicapped published on their own blog is not the same standard to be applied to others.

    2. 35
      Posted February 14, 2012 at 6:40 am | Permalink

      Wow, a post from my former blog five years ago, and something we missed in the middle of a long comment, as contradicted by a post elsewhere that we linked to for discussion.

      You’re right. I am THE INTERNET’S GREATEST. HYPOCRITE.

      Great research there, guys!

  6. Ray Dixon says:

    I don’t think that calling someone “mentally handicapped” (Joe’s term) or “retarded” (Joe’s & Jeremy’s term) is offensive. It’s common language in common use, aimed at the person who would appear to have full mental capabilities and functionality but still acts like a complete lamebrain or lobotomy patient (which are also not offensive).

  7. Jeremy says:

    Actually, Leon, I do regret using the “Special Olympics” as a synonym for reading your debating contributions. It is not fair to use a sporting contest involving disabled people as a synonym for pointless, frustrating stupidity.

    And after some thinking on the subject, I’ve changed my mind on the subject of the word “retarded”.

  8. Jeremy says:

    Ray – the full stop is exactly where Beck put it.

  9. Ray Dixon says:

    the full stop is exactly where Beck put it

    Huh? It’s your comment. On your blog (PP). And, hence, it’s your full stop. If you’re quoting someone else you haven’t made that clear.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2012/02/12/elsewhere-why-shouldnt-joe-hildebrand-cruelly-mock-the-disabled/comment-page-1/#comment-75727

  10. Jeremy says:

    Oh FFS Ray. Follow Leon’s link.

  11. damage says:

    Ray you do have form for using the term “retard” as abuse. I recall you using it to discribe Tony Abbott before. In my opinion it is no different to the N word or the P word or calling women bitches etc. I’m glad to see that Jeremy has had a change of heart on it though. Pitty his comments at Purile Person don’t reflect that change of mind. It’s the Fonzie thing I guess.
    Anyhow well don Jeremy on finally admitting to being wr&*#& – wr#)$* – wrgn.

  12. Ray Dixon says:

    FFS yourself, Jeremy, it’s exactly as I said: “If you’re quoting someone else you haven’t made that clear”. Your words, so you own them.

  13. Ray Dixon says:

    That’s your opinion, damage. If you’re offended by the word, stiff shit.

  14. GD says:

    As some wiseacre at Petulant People said, ‘so what word’s left?’

    F*ckwit, apparently, because every other term seems to offend someone somewhere. Old, fat, skinny, anorexic, bald, gay, homosexual, black, white, poor, aboriginal, whitey, wog, nigger, dwarf, obese, bastard, bugger…

    F*ckwit is quite good really when you think about it.

  15. damage says:

    That’s the attitude Ray.

    The words say nothing about me and everything about you.
    Leave it at that eh?

  16. damage says:

    A public sumation of Jezza.
    Not my words – his 2nd wife’s.

    Jeremy is a lot of things to a lot of people. All of them very different, not all of them positive.
    He is an acquired taste. There are people who adore him because they get him, and the things that annoy the living shit out of some people are kind of endearing to others.
    One thing he does to nearly everyone he meets is make them think. Because he pushes, and argues, and thinks out loud. He never stops, he is this bundle of energy and life and words and ideas and sometimes that is exhausting.
    A dear friend of ours summed it up in a way I hadn’t thought of before that was so utterly perfect. Jeremy has no internal dialogue. He lives his life and his thoughts so bare to the world. The way he draws the line between what he makes public and what he doesn’t actually impresses me, because he leaves nothing essential – nothing truly personal – out. It’s all there.

    Except the admissions and the sorries that no internal dialogue leads to. Those are certainly left out.
    Having worked with people with asbergers, I’d say this description was classic.
    It may well be that there’s a reason for the change of mind.
    Magda and Jeremy coming out on the same day eh?

  17. Ray Dixon says:

    I draw the line at racist terms, GD. Just about everything else is fair cop, I reckon. I mean, a gay is a “queen” and I don’t think even they are offended. And a mentally retarded person is just that – FACT – and they are certainly not offended.

  18. Ray Dixon says:

    every other term seems to offend someone somewhere. Old, fat, skinny, anorexic, bald, gay, homosexual, black, white, poor, aboriginal, whitey, wog, nigger, dwarf, obese, bastard, bugger…

    Nope, there’s only one term in that lot that I reckon is offensive. I bolded it.

    Of course, the worst thing you can call someone is “a Collingwood supporter”. Says it all.

  19. GD says:

    Pretty much agree with you Ray, but what’s so precious about race? Everybody belongs to one, or a conglomerate of races. Why is naming or commenting on someone’s race offensive?
    This PC rubbish has gone too far, as exhibited by these ludicrous attacks on Joe Hildebrand and Jeremy.

    The PC brigade are tying themselves in knots by attempting to regulate social behaviour, while not recognising that they are human too. They can outlaw as many words as they want, but like Jezza has found to his dismay, it comes back to bite them on the arse.

    As soon as one word is discredited, another comes to take its place. Sure enough, that word also gets banned.

    Obviously this isn’t the answer.

    A better approach would be:

    get over it, or as they used to say in the olden days,

    ‘sticks and stones can hurt my bones, but words can never hurt me’

    In other words, grow up!

  20. GD says:

    he worst thing you can call someone is “a Collingwood supporter”.

    well, you could be a Greens supporter….

  21. damage says:

    Your list is missing one GD.

    “Bigot”

  22. Ray Dixon says:

    but what’s so precious about race? Everybody belongs to one, or a conglomerate of races. Why is naming or commenting on someone’s race offensive?

    GD, just saying something like “person X is an aborigine (or black)” is not offensive, it’s just a fact. But terms like “nigger”, “coon” and “abo” ARE offensive … because they are terms that were used to describe blacks in the days when they genuinely suffered severe discrimination and were regarded as lesser beings. The use of those words is racist because it’s designed to diminish them and put them in their place. I really don’t understand why you don’t get that.

  23. Leon Bertrand says:

    At least Jeremy is now finally admitting that he erred here. This is the first time that I can recall this happening.

  24. damage says:

    But surely it’s true that terms ike spazo, retard, monga or vegie are equally offensive because they are also terms that were used to describe the disabled in the days when they genuinely suffered severe discrimination and were regarded as lesser beings?

    EVEN JEREMY IS GETTING THAT NOW.

  25. Ray Dixon says:

    Yes, I agree that calling an intellectually or mentally handicapped person a “spazo, retard or mong” is offensive … to the intellectually or mentally handicapped person. Your point is ….. ?

  26. damage says:

    Ergo, those are offensive terms i.e. they give offence.

    Ergo they are offensive when used to discribe anyone.
    Again
    Even Jeremy gets that.

  27. Ray Dixon says:

    They only give offence to the person they are aimed at. If I call you a “retard” that’s not a put down of mentally handicapped persons – it’s simply meant to insult you. Get over it.

  28. damage says:

    How does it insult me if there isn’t an implication that a “retard” is a lesser level of existance?
    Eg
    You used the term to insult Tony Abbott.
    Tony Abbott isn’t retarded, but you intended to insult him by the name.
    You didn’t call him a legend or a hero or a star because those term exhault him. You said “retard” and your intention was to insult which more than implies that you believe a retard to be a lesser form of humanity.
    Otherwise why use the term?

  29. Ray Dixon says:

    I agree there’s a sort of twisted logic in your convoluted (“retarded”?) thinking there, damage. But I see it this way:

    The mentally handicapped person is not likely to have seen my comment that “Tony Abbott looks like a retard”. In fact, I reckon that mentally impaired people (if they did read my comment) might even agree with me.

    Your use of semantics to pick yet another fight (ie your usual M.O.) is interesting. You use it to absurdly infer that I am a “bigot” – you said as much earlier in this thread – which is just so wrong, hypocritical and ironic. The fact is “damage” (or HJ or Charlie or whatever) that over the years here it is YOU who has displayed a high degree of bigotry, especially against aborigines. You even claim that the word “nigger” is acceptable.

    Your style has no effect on me these days though. You are a proven Internet pest but one I’ve learned to take with a grain of salt.

    i.e.: WATER. DUCK. BACK.

  30. damage says:

    Ray what the fcuk are you on about?
    Being called a bigot might be water off a ducks back to you, rather like being called bald is to me. Because I am indeed bald.

    The fact is that the insult is in the mind of the insulter and if youu intend an insult with the term then you see the term as an insult no matter who it is directed at. You’d be insulted if you were called a Nazi because you see the term as having true negative meaning.

    As for the othe BS I have no idea what you are on about. If you have any way of showing where I said nigger was acceptable then you should link it, quote it or prove it. Oterwise it is simply a smoke screen to save you being shown up as the person you are.
    I have no interest in your deflections.

  31. Ray Dixon says:

    Likewise, I have no interest in your semantics, convoluted arguments, point-scoring and generally all-round nasty persona, “damage”.

    Btw, I’ve been called a “Nazi” (by TOI and his merry band of aliases) and a lot worse. WATER. DUCK’s. BACK.

  32. damage says:

    Sometime TIO hits the nail.

  33. Ray Dixon says:

    WATER. DUCK’s. BACK.

  34. damage says:

    How about we heat the water up then

    {Edit – how about we don’t? … Ray}

    Boiled Duck?

  35. Ray Dixon says:

    You can’t help yourself, can you “damage”. Everytime someone gets the better of you in a debate (as I have here), you resort to personal abuse and effective stalking – this time by linking to some malicious rubbish that *someone* (ie someone like you perhaps?) has posted on the Internet about my business and livelihood. What a lovely chap you are. I dunno why Iain has let you ‘off the leash’, so to speak, and removed you from moderation, but your obvious lack of self esteem (hint: that’s why you do that to people, you have no belief in or respect for yourself) might well lead to you going back on it.

    WATER. DUCK’s. BACK. still applies in my case but I draw the line at your attempts to “damage” my business and personal life.

  36. damage says:

    Actually nobody’s got the better of me here Ray.
    I’m quite happy to stand by my earlier comments about the use of the term “retard”. As I said, Jeremy’s now admitted that he was in error in the use and in the defence of the use of the term. Since the thread is about that very issue (Jeremy’s attitude) I don’t see how anyone could claim other than my view is vindicated.
    As for the introduction of insults to the thread Ray well we know that you started that. Given that Jeremy had commented in the above mentioned manner I guess you felt you had no choice.
    And since you claimed to be a duck with a broad back I decided to see how wide. NOT VERY is the clear answer.
    There are two differences between your back and a duck’s Ray.
    1. Water continues to flow off the duck’s back.

    2. The duck’s back contains a spine.

    Cheers.

  37. Ray Dixon says:

    As for the introduction of insults to the thread Ray well we know that you started that

    Maybe. Maybe not. Who cares? So what? It certainly is “water off a duck’s back” to me when you start up your pathetic attempts at insulting me while losing the argument. I only said I draw the line at your attempted defamation (and stalking, in effect) of my personal life & business. Which is what you did. Which is why, I guess, you’re now back on moderation.

    Now let’s leave it there. You won’t concede you were wrong. Fine. Everyone else can see you were so that’ll do for me. Cheerio. Get back to the truck.

  38. damage says:

    One last thing.
    i have changed the email I use for commenting here.

    Unfortunately, security on the email accounts used here has been compromised.

  39. Ray Dixon says:

    security on the email accounts used here has been compromised

    Huh? Christ you’re weird.

  40. Ray Dixon says:

    Oh, I see what you’re talking about “Damage” (Iain had put your accusation in the “Trash’). No, my comment, “get back to the truck” is like saying “get back on your horse (and ride away)”. You must be bloody paranoid if you call that stalking.

  41. Iain Hall says:

    Yes Ray I find the accusation that email addresses have been compromised bizzare to say the least ah well this new one of Damage’s has been added to the filter as well

  42. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain, I think (not sure, but maybe) “damage” was referring to the fact that his last email address was “…..@website of a well known Victorian transport company”, which was obviously in my face every time I go to the comments page (which is where I make my replies). He’s then taken my “truck” remark and put 2 and 2 together to get 5. Whereas, maybe I was (subliminally) influenced by that email address(*) to tell him to “get back to the truck” instead of “horse”, but, err … like, so what? He calls that stalking?

    My goodness, here we have a bloke who has clearly stalked others on the Internet and has even set up a stalking blog to write anonymous rubbish about Jeremy Sear, myself and others (that blog no longer exists, btw), who has posted malicious reviews of my accommodation property (or at least posted links to them, here, several times, including today), doing what is classic stalker behaviour – i.e. accusing his accusers of doing what he does.

    He just doesn’t get it that other people are not interested in his identity, occupation or address. He can’t understand that because he thinks stalking is normal behaviour. Wow.

    (* I doubt the transport company email address was his anyway – he’s used other company email addresses in the past)

  43. Iain Hall says:

    Take a bow Leon, I think that you have made our learned friend see the error of his ways, well at least when it comes to the way that he verbally abuses people:

    Words that hurt

    by Jeremy

    So, in summary, and after a frank and view-altering exchange, these are two types of words that hurt that it’s a good idea to avoid:

    • Using words that are commonly used to refer to particular groups as insults (turning “mentally handicapped” into a pejorative, for example);
    • Repeating words (and their derivatives) that marginalised people have regularly experienced as abuse (eg “retard” or “retarded”).

    Unless you don’t give a damn about hurting people because it makes you feel all big and rebellious and tough to further grind down the already marginalised.

    I do, and it doesn’t, which is why although I have previously used the word “retarded” on the grounds that (a) it’s already pejorative, (b) nobody uses it to identify themselves and (c) it has a specific meaning unassociated with any particular groups of people, I am going to stop. Because regardless of what I mean by it, it is used as a term of abuse directed at people with particular disabilities, for example, and thus hearing it again unnecessarily and cruelly compounds the injuries previously suffered.

    And I’ve got some ideas for other names to use as synonyms for “stupid”, anyway.

    The thing is I expect these good intentions will be about as long lasting as his vegetarianism and the “Australian family lobby” which has been dark for nearly a year now.

  44. damage says:

    Now there is only on unreconstructed person we need to convince to mend their ways.
    Moderation, stubborness and hypersensitivity to criticism may prevent this catharsis though.

  45. Ray Dixon says:

    Let’s make this clear: Despite certain accusations made here and elsewhere I have never placed commenters on this blog onto the moderation list. I don’t have that authority. Only Iain does, which is how it should be. I do, however, have authority to edit comments, particularly where they contain links to libellous & malicious crap that some scumbag has written about real identities and their private lives or businesses. People like the person who just commented here. Again, “damage”, please defer to Iain’s rules and don’t put your complaints about moderation here.

    As for the word “retarded”, I certainly do not agree with you (or Jeremy) that it’s a pejorative. It is not a term used to “abuse” mentally handicapped people and is actually an accurate description – in fact a medical term – of the condition mentally impaired people suffer. I wouldn’t, however, use it to describe or address a mentally handicapped person because what’s the point? That’s like telling an Indian he’s an Indian when that fact is patently obvious and known. I would use it though, to insult morons who post the type of aforementioned crap – as a warranted insult.

  46. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain, the ‘AFL’ you so despise may have been “dark” for a while but it’s about to make a stunning comeback.

    Tomorrow night.

    On the new Fox Footy station.

    Be there.

  47. damage says:

    There is no medical term “retard”.
    The word is an abreviation of the adjective “retarded” which is a legacy term.
    The noun “retard” is in fact the same as the noun “abo” which is the abreviation of either the noun “aboriginie” or the adjective “aboriginal” and is a pejorative and highly offensive term.
    There is no defence of this. Use of the term retard or retarded as an insult is as bad as the use of the word kike, abo, or wog. Those who defend it deserve to be viewed in a poor light.
    No more needs saying.

  48. Ray Dixon says:

    Bullshit, “damage”. Retard or retarded is an abbreviation or derivative of “mental retardation”, a medical term:

    Mental retardation (MR) is a generalized disorder appearing before adulthood, characterized by significantly impaired cognitive functioning and deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors. It has historically been defined as an Intelligence Quotient score under 70.[1] Once focused almost entirely on cognition, the definition now includes both a component relating to mental functioning and one relating to individuals’ functional skills in their environment. As a result, a person with a below-average intelligence quotient (BAIQ) may not be considered mentally retarded. Syndromic mental retardation is intellectual deficits associated with other medical and behavioral signs and symptoms. Non-syndromic mental retardation refers to intellectual deficits that appear without other abnormalities.

    It is not a pejorative meant to diminish anyone – except those that are not actually mentally retarded but who, through character flaws, often exhibit those traits. People like …. well, if the shoe fits.

    I know your MO is to always attack the other person but, once again, you have self-pwned. In my opinion using the word “retarded” is not offensive to the retarded, only to morons who act like you do. Enough, eh?

  49. Iain Hall says:

    Not that AFL Ray;)

  50. Ray Dixon says:

    Well, Iain, I think it was purposely named to give it a very popular acronym, AFL, that might come up high in google searches. That looks to have failed too.

    Btw, “damage”, if the Wikipedia definition above is not good enough for you, try this one:

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001523.htm

    Mental retardation is a condition diagnosed before age 18 that includes below-average general intellectual function, and a lack of the skills necessary for daily living.

    CausesMental retardation affects about 1 – 3% of the population. There are many causes of mental retardation, but doctors find a specific reason in only 25% of cases.

    A family may suspect mental retardation if the child’s motor skills, language skills, and self-help skills do not seem to be developing, or are developing at a far slower rate than the child’s peers. Failure to adapt (adjust to new situations) normally and grow intellectually may become apparent early in a child’s life. In the case of mild retardation, these failures may not become recognizable until school age or later.

    The degree of impairment from mental retardation varies widely, from profoundly impaired to mild or borderline retardation. Less emphasis is now placed on the degree of retardation and more on the amount of intervention and care needed for daily life.

    Or try ANY medical journal you care to pick. “Retarded” is derived from a medical term – FACT.

  51. Michael Jon Hudson says:

    I couldn’t get any closer to Matt Dillon’s character from There’s Something About Mary.

    I used http://schick.co.za/mens/manscaping/

    Perhaps you’d like to http://www.howtogeek.com/72084/convert-youtube-videos-to-animated-gifs-the-easy-way-no-photoshop/

    Cheers.

  52. Iain Hall says:

    That is very funny Michael!!

  53. Michael Jon Hudson says:

    Thanks. And it only took me 10 minutes.

    But if only I could photoshop. Then I would really…

    Hey, do you ever get the feeling you’re being eavesdropped on?

    http://www.listal.com/viewimage/1888378

  54. Iain Hall says:

    I have a program called “paint shop pro ” which is pretty good and it’s not that hard but it does take time to do

  55. Michael Jon Hudson says:

    This is the goods: http://youtu.be/swt3YPIHwGc

    Just use the Gimp airbrush tool to fill in the bit in the middle before you upload the pic.

    And I swear, if you could photoshop Jeremy’s face on to Matt Dillon’s character – with Dillon standing next to Warren the “retard” – and then turn it into an animated gif….superb!

  56. Michael Jon Hudson says:

    Sorry. I recorded my cursor arrow in that last one. Kinda amusing how the eyes follow it around but probably no good for the purpose of creating an animated gif.

    Done. Do with it what you will.

  57. Michael Jon Hudson says:

    You might as well delete my other comments. I deleted the other videos. Later.

  58. Ray Dixon says:

    On the contrary, Michael, I think all your comments should stay … to verify your great interest in Mr Sear. Which is what exactly?

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