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”The starting point for any involvement in rioting should be a custodial sentence.”

At the risk be being accused of fascism (again 🙄 ) I’m going to once again talk about the rioting in the UK and in particular the response to the lawlessness by both the government and the ordinary people. There is no image form the riots that is more inspiring to me than the woman wearing the shirt with a simple message:

People gather to clean up Clapham Junction Photo: REUTERS

Fortunately for the UK they currently have a government who are prepared to take decisive action against the rioters without a cause as the report in the Age informs us not only do these scum face the righteous wrath of the courts bit they will be evicted form public housing as well:

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For far too long members of the so called “underclass” have been able to operate on the assumption that no matter what they do there will be no significant consequences well its seems that they will not be able to maintain such a belief any longer,Frankly I am rather sure that no one will be at all sympathetic to their plight if they end up on the streets as the winter approaches, As David Cameron suggests, with rights come responsibilities. If people are not prepared to behave in a civil manner then they have no right to be supported by a civil society.
Cheers Comrades

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12 Comments

  1. busby777 says:

    I hope they get what they deserve

  2. Leon Bertrand says:

    I wonder if Jeremy Sear will be arguing that comitting offences in the riots is no worse than comitting the same offences in ordinary circumstances, as he did with the Brisbane floods: https://iainhall.wordpress.com/2011/01/15/my-brisbane-flood-experience/

    What a poor Magistrate he would make.

  3. Richard Ryan says:

    Maybe we could send Alan Jones over there with some Hessian bags—–this cash for comment media clown was a great help in the riots we had here a few years ago—–was he not? HA-HA-HA manbag Jones.

  4. Iain Hall says:

    His fellows at the Victorian Bar would love him on the bench because they would be assured of lots of repeat business as those before Sear got repeated taps on the wrist no mater how many times they offended.

  5. Richard Ryan says:

    or should it be—-scumbag Jones.?

  6. Ray Dixon says:

    I think the message on her singlet top actually reads:

    Hooters are yum

  7. Iain Hall says:

    I will admit that does not hurt that the girl wearing the shirt is good looking Ray 😉

  8. Angel says:

    She looks like Buffy. Did they send in the slayer to clean up the scum?

  9. Iain Hall says:

    Most sadly predictable response to the same piece that I cite here

    So – these disaffected, angry young people: we’ll throw them out onto the street with no money. That can’t possibly lead to more crime! And we’ll make sure that when we punish these opportunistic looters – from all strata of English society – that we punish the poorest hardest. The kids of the rich? They won’t lose their homes or their ability to eat. But the kids of the poor? LET ‘EM STARVE. IN THE GUTTERS.

    And this army of homeless starving people they’re planning to create? Yeah, I’m sure they’ll settle down and get a job that won’t be offered to them because of their criminal record and they won’t ever bother anyone again.

    Brilliant.

    Hope UK taxpayers are looking forward to paying vastly more for the thousands of new prison places they’re going to have to provide, and to the streets becoming more and more dangerous.

    Now who would make such a stupid and lilly livered response to the UK riots ?
    Yep its this guy:
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  10. Ray Dixon says:

    He actually makes some good points, Iain. Throwing these people onto the streets does seem self-defeating.

    HOWEVER, I note that this post seems to be the very first thing he’s written about the riots that started early in the week. And, as usual, Jeremy comes out on the side of the offenders with nothing said – i.e. zero, zip & zilch – about the victims of this uncivilised hoolaginism.

    That sort of says it all. He seems to have no sympathy or empathy whatsoever for those who suffered unjustly at the hands of the very people he now seeks to defend. I don’t know how to describe how that makes me feel. What does it say about his views on the world & society at large? I can only think of one word: Twisted.

    Btw, I wonder if he’s (once again) refusing to let your comments through but paraphrasing them and (bizarrely) responding to them again. :

    Jeremy | 12 August, 2011 at 8:01 pm | One of my buffoonish long-banned old trolls wants to know how I’d sentence the rioters. Well, it depends on the bloody circumstances of the individual offending in question. It entirely depends on what they’ve actually done, what their history is (prior offending or not), what their circumstances are (including mental health) – and what the prospects are for rehabilitation (since my aim would be to actually REDUCE crime).

    Broadly, I suspect many of these offenders would benefit from some arduous community work. Cleaning up the sort of mess they made, for a start.

    Obviously I would not take away their ability to live and eat, since (a) leaving people to starve in a gutter is a monstrous thing to do, (b) it’s likely to provoke more crime and (c) it’s completely unjust to punish a poor rioter more harshly than a wealthy one.

    Jeremy, you need to adjust your settings. We’re not in bloody daylight saving time in the middle of bloody August! Then again, we realise you’re just out of step with everyone else most of the time.

  11. Anonymous says:

    I do partially agree with Jeremy that perhaps for the rioters only engaged in not so serious property crimes, a big lot of community sentence may often be appropriate.

    Those with prior criminal histories who have engaged in arson or thuggery however should have judges seriously considering custodial sentences, no matter what their age.

    A strong messge should be sent that in future, rioters can expect to face serious consequences. That should help deter some individuals the next time there’s a riot.

  12. Angel says:

    I would disagree with Jeremy as it punishes the poorer more harshly than a wealthy one.
    Those on benefits and occupying public housing do essentially have the State as an employer. They are paid through the Governments welfare system. Why sould the government not cut its payment rates to those rioters. Every citizen needs to be accountable. Employed persons will likely lose their jobs, I would not keep one on as the chances of theft in the business would obviously be higher. So a middle class citizen would lose their income and then housing etc as a follow on. To not punish those on benefits would actually allow more harsh treatment of the working members.

    Community service will do nothing. How do you make a person use the broom, whip them? Charge them for the clean up bill instead. If I had stolen $10k of goods and got 1 week community service, well that’s more than I currently earn. Where is the deterrent?

    For those who view prison as a rehabilitation unit, it is not. It is a punishment. It should not be the role of the prison to rehabilitate its inmates, it is there to punish and remove those unfit for society. True rehabilitation can only come from within the person. While we continually pamper, handout and make excuses for their behaviour, society is on a downward slide.

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