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Hmm, I wonder which Age journalists are the hackers?

Here in the antipodes we are witnessing a whole swag of the usual suspects getting terribly excited about the UK Hacking scandal and they are jumping to the conclusion that of course it is evidence that Murdoch and all of his media interests here are built upon the same template as the now defunct News of the World. These ideologues of the left just loathe the fact that papers like the Australian or Sydney’s Telegraph have been giving the Gillard government in general and the Greens in particular quite a hard time of late.  This of course leads to the most delicious irony of them all when it comes to media naughtiness, namely it is Fairfax’s Age which has been hacking to get their stories about the last Victorian election:

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Unlike my pals from the left I don’t think that any media organisation should be beyond the law strangely there has not been a squeak about this incident from those same voices that I mentioned in my opening and I full expect that there will be those who will cite “public interest”or the people’s “right to know” when it comes to the machinations of a political party during an election but I think that those that do this will be arguing form political expediency rather than any real principle…

Cheers Comrades


31 Comments

  1. Richard Ryan says:

    Iain I like The AGE, nice letters in today’s issue. Iain did you find out how Bolt got hold of classified information on Alan Wikles, and then used it to do a character assassination of him on his blog site, to the utter joy of his bloggers. Shalom Richard Ryan.

  2. Lord Other Iain says:

    the usual suspects getting terribly excited about the UK Hacking scandal and they are jumping to the conclusion that of course it is evidence that Murdoch and all of his media interests here are built upon the same template as the now defunct News of the World.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/net-widens-in-uk-hacking-probe/story-e6frg996-1226099352272

    According to this article there are potentiallly 12,000+ hacking cases. There have been allegations of ‘hacking’ by reporters and/or investigators working for Sunday Times and the Sun. Both are Murodch papers. Given that the UK tabloids have been in hot competition, and journalists (like most other employees) jump from company to company, it would be silly to suggest that what was practiced at one paper was not practised at another. Only someone protecting Murdoch’s interests would argue that. Like Murdoch himself. Or A. Bolt. Or I. Hall.

    As for what allegedly happened at the Age, well if it’s true then it should be investigated/prosecuted in the same manner. You will get no argument from me on that score.

  3. Iain Hall says:

    Yada yada yada 🙄
    now if there has been Criminal behaviour in the UK then I hope the police deal with it, however that is IN THE UK. there is no reason to believe that the same thing has been happening here at any of the News Ltd papers, in fact as it seems to be the Lefty's friend Fairfax that has been caught hacking I am glad to see that you endorse it being subject to prosecution However I suspect that desire is just window dressing for a far more substantial desire on your part to see the downfall of Rupert Murdoch and his media empire.

  4. Ray Dixon says:

    As for what allegedly happened at the Age, well if it’s true then it should be investigated/prosecuted in the same manner

    LOL, LOL. Of course it’s true. The Age has admitted using a “borrowed” password to gain unauthorised access to the database. They are just saying it wasn’t illegal – you know, like a bloke accused of rape saying, “she said yes”. So what you are saying is that The Age should be prosecuted? Good, I agree. And, like Iain, I am not surprised that *some* Age journos would stoop to breaching cyber laws.

  5. Lord Other Iain says:

    Yada yada yada

    This is why you are a frustrating person to deal with Iain, because of your inability to give civil and sensible answers to pertinent points/evidence. “Yada yada yada” is the sort of thing a 10 year old kid would say when you tell him to clean up his room.

    However I suspect that desire is just window dressing for a far more substantial desire on your part to see the downfall of Rupert Murdoch and his media empire.

    There is nothing I would like to see more. And from what has occurred to date, it looks as if the old buzzard has done it all for us. He is either the most incompetent media mogul in history, or the most dishonest. Either way he’s going to be out the door soon, whether he walks voluntarily or is shoved. Oh happy day.

  6. Ray Dixon says:

    you are a frustrating person to deal with Iain

    Well yes, he is, LOL, but at least Iain let’s you have a fair run here. Try arguing against the admin @ AOL & PP and see how you get on! For all his foibles and (admitted) past indiscretions, you have to admit he runs a pretty lively and freewheeling blog that let’s you get it all out. I guess that’s why you’re here.

  7. Lord Other Iain says:

    No Ray, I come here because I find Iain’s arguments incredibly loopy and his views about things like phone hacking inconsistent. And it is mildly amusing to poke holes in or laugh at them. It is just a jape really.

    I don’t read Lefty’s blog or PP. I find them too one dimensional and not interesting. And I don’t comment there so I can’t comment on their commenting policy. But I would offer the view that if you and Iain aren’t getting comments published on those blogs, well, there’s probably reasons for that.

  8. Ray Dixon says:

    I can’t speak for Iain, although I do know he has gone on the attack at both those blogs and incurred their wrath by his own words (sorry, Iain). But speaking for myself, I have not been banned at PP (I rarely comment there) but at AOL I am effectively banned – and there is no valid reason for that whatsoever except that Jeremy doesn’t like to be proved wrong.

  9. Iain Hall says:

    LOI

    This is why you are a frustrating person to deal with Iain, because of your inability to give civil and sensible answers to pertinent points/evidence. “Yada yada yada” is the sort of thing a 10 year old kid would say when you tell him to clean up his room.

    Oh come off it I only say things like that when you are reiterating the same sort of line that you have sprouted a few times already, and You certainly can’t justify a claim me failing to give you civil and sensible answers, I just won’t give you the answers that you want to hear.

    There is nothing I would like to see more. And from what has occurred to date, it looks as if the old buzzard has done it all for us. He is either the most incompetent media mogul in history, or the most dishonest. Either way he’s going to be out the door soon, whether he walks voluntarily or is shoved. Oh happy day.

    Rupert Murdoch is in his eighties so he won’t be running the company forever no matter what happens but I don’t think that empire will fall any time soon because he has set up a strong succession through his son. Look I’m not burning any torches for Rupert here (despite what you think ) when it comes down to what difference is it ever going to make if one media mogul or another runs a news company? All of them do it to make money or to play a sort of corporate chess/monopoly You end up with political slants either one way or another no matter who is in control. As I see it as long as you are aware that a bias exists then you can be a discerning News consumer, as soon as you start to believe that a source is unbiased that is when you as a consumer have a problem.

  10. Ray Dixon says:

    The Age is just as biased as the HeraldSun is. And I say that as an ALP supporter. I have never believed that the bias of newspapers makes one iota of difference to election results, as hard as they try to influence public opinion. It annoys me but, oh, take a deep breath for Christ’s sake and don’t go off half-cocked. The dumbest thing that has been said in this current debate was when Julia Gillard told News Ltd to “stop writing crap”. Well, Julia, you and all other politicians talk “crap” too. Both sides do. Again, I say that as an ALP supporter. I think this obsession with how the media reports is just that – it’s in the minds of those who want it there.

  11. Iain Hall says:

    LOI

    But I would offer the view that if you and Iain aren’t getting comments published on those blogs, well, there’s probably reasons for that.

    Yeah as Ray suggests Jezza can’t stand loosing an argument and sadly he wants to punish Ray for my “reputation” That said I really believe that a lively discussion needs differing viewpoints and the way that Jezza excludes anyone who is not of the left is actaully rather sad, sadder still is the tribe of sycophants who think he is wonderful.

  12. Iain Hall says:

    Ray

    The Age is just as biased as the HeraldSun is. And I say that as an ALP supporter.

    Precisely my point and I say that as a Liberal supporter!

    We have consensus !

  13. Lord Other Iain says:

    The dumbest thing that has been said in this current debate was when Julia Gillard told News Ltd to “stop writing crap”.

    She was referring to the Daily Telegraphs coverage of the carbon tax, Ray. On that note she was right. The Murdoch rags, particularly the DT, have run a hysterical scare campaign on the carbon tax. Some of the tripe printed in the DT makes the climate discussions on Iain’s blog seem fair and balanced.

    Iains paragraph on Murodch was spot on, all papers are biased. But they have a responsibility to at least be honest and to make some effort to tell both sides of the story.

    That said I really believe that a lively discussion needs differing viewpoints and the way that Jezza excludes anyone who is not of the left

    Does Lefty really ban/refuse comments from anyone/everyone “not of the left” Iain? Or are you just projecting?

    I don’t doubt that he has banned you. Then again he’s got good reason to, doesn’t he. As for Ray, well from what I have seen he has done his fair share of sniping at Lefty here.

    Look, at the end of the day, it’s his blog and he’ll accept comments from whomever he wants, on whatever basis he decides. “THIS IS MY BLOG AND I WILL DECIDE, JUST WHAT WILL BE ALLOWED ENTIRELY AT MY OWN DISCRETION”, I seem to recall seeing those words somewhere before…

  14. Iain Hall says:

    LOI

    She was referring to the Daily Telegraphs coverage of the carbon tax, Ray. On that note she was right. The Murdoch rags, particularly the DT, have run a hysterical scare campaign on the carbon tax. Some of the tripe printed in the DT makes the climate discussions on Iain’s blog seem fair and balanced.

    Lets be real here there is just about No one who thinks that thsi carbon tax is a good idea check out this piece from Bjorn Lomborg now if you take on board that he is an AGW believer you might just appreciate that he has a very good point about this tax and way that it is being promoted. That said I don’t read much of the DT even though I link to it in my sidebar but on the other side of the ledger you only have to look at some of the crap written by the likes of Jo Chandler’s alarmist rants for Fairfax to see that crap is common on both sides of this debate.

  15. Ray Dixon says:

    A lot to respond to there, LOL. I don’t like (read, hate) the long ‘quote & response’ type comments but you leave me no choice:

    1. “She was referring to the Daily Telegraphs coverage of the carbon tax, Ray. On that note she was right.”: No, on that note she was wrong to attack the paper for not reporting it as she wants it reported. If Gillard could explain it as well as Keating did on Lateline last week, I reckon even the DT would not go so hard on her. It’s her fault, LOL.

    2. “Does Lefty really ban/refuse comments from anyone/everyone “not of the left”: No. He bans/refuses comments from a far less rational stance than that.

    3. “As for Ray, well from what I have seen he has done his fair share of sniping at Lefty here.”: That’s crap. Once again, you take a general swipe without backing it up. What, where and when did I say anything about Jeremy that could in any way be described as “sniping”? You talk about Iain being difficult & frustrating to deal with but your style is worse. As I said – the files are open to you to go and find specific examples to back up your backhander. The fact you don’t do that suggests (or proves) you talk out your opposite end to your mouth. I have only ever made fair comment about Jeremy’s posts & polemics and I have never said ANYTHING personal about him. His banning of me is purely spiteful and without foundation made only because (a) I comment & write here (b) I mount logical counter arguments to his polemics at his blog and he doesn’t like that, even though they’re polite & respectful ones. Would you mind dropping your unsubstantiated “sniping” of me please, LOL?

    4. ” “THIS IS MY BLOG AND I WILL DECIDE, JUST WHAT WILL BE ALLOWED ENTIRELY AT MY OWN DISCRETION”, I seem to recall seeing those words somewhere before…” : On the front page of AOL the words from the owner are even more heavy handed – go read them. Says it all. It’s a style and closed-door stance that is designed to build one’s own ego, in my opinion. I dunno why you are here to speak up for Sear. Maybe you’ve been sucked in to the sycpophantic hero worshipping that goes on there too? Get real and wake up. Who gives a shit if Iain is right wing and has “loopy” ideas & views? This is a much fairer forum than most blogs on the Internet.

  16. Lord Other Iain says:

    If Gillard could explain it as well as Keating did on Lateline last week, I reckon even the DT would not go so hard on her. It’s her fault, LOL.

    Oh I agree Ray. She has made a right pig’s ear of it. But she also has a point about the tabloids too.

    As I said – the files are open to you to go and find specific examples to back up your backhander. I have only ever made fair comment about Jeremy’s posts & polemics and I have never said ANYTHING personal about him.

    The prosecution presents evidence A:
    http://alexwhite.org/2010/11/pro-greens-party-blogger-jeremy-sear-excuses-greens-preferencing-anti-muslim-anti-choice-candidate-in-essendon/#comment-12108

    Or was that someone else Ray? Like Iain perhaps?

    His banning of me is purely spiteful and without foundation made only because (a) I comment & write here (b) I mount logical counter arguments to his polemics at his blog and he doesn’t like that, even though they’re polite & respectful ones.

    Look he has probably been less tolerant of you because you have lined up next to Iain. But we all know that Lefty is thin skinned and criticisms are often interpreted as insults. And he’s not on his Pat malone there either…

    I dunno why you are here to speak up for him. Maybe you’ve been sucked in to the sycpophantic hero worshipping that goes on there too?

    No, I have said more than once now that I don’t read his blog any more. I am playing devils advocate here.

  17. Ray Dixon says:

    LOL, that’s really weak “evidence” of me “sniping” at Jeremy or being personal. So weak that you only provide a link without presenting the actual words to ‘the court’ for scrutiny. Well here they are. From the link you provided I said @ Alex White’s site:

    “Have you got an email from WJS* yet Alex? You know the one where he says “take it down you are defaming me”. He is a lawyer and he is always right. Didnt you know? Cheers. * i.e. from “Walter” Jeremy Sear

    How the f*ck is that “sniping” or personal? Alex White was the one attacking Sear, not me. And Alex White IS a lefty. A union boss lefty.

    As SP would say, I rests my suitcases too.

  18. Lord Other Iain says:

    So writing on another blog, under a pseudonym (which you were then denying) and taking a personal dig at a bloke (sarcastcally saying “he is always right) using his full name (WJS) is not “sniping”?

    As “Sockpuppet” would say…. “the prostitution rests”.

  19. Ray Dixon says:

    So writing on another blog, under a pseudonym … and taking a personal dig at a bloke (sarcastcally saying “he is always right) using his full name (WJS) is not “sniping”?

    No, it’s not. You are weird if you think it is. It’s called an opinion. My opinion is that Jeremy thinks he’s always right. White says as much too. And my opinion is based on what is entirely self evident if you read Sear’s blogs, which you have and which you yourself have alluded too. That is not “sarcastic”, “sniping” or “personal”.

    You on the other hand engage in plenty of that stuff right here – about Iain and me.

    To use an SP type expression, LOL: Go take the black soot off your face Mr Pot.

  20. Lord Other Iain says:

    Yes but you didn’t write it as YOUR opinion, did you?
    I can only imagine the reaction if some joker with a pseudonym said that “Ray Dixon thinks he is always right” on some blog. You would turn five shades of purple Ray and carry on like a pork chop.
    Seems like a case of “physician, heal thy self”.

  21. Ray Dixon says:

    Oh for God’s sake, LOL, you are tiresome & tedious. Look, your “sniping” is not made under your real name either you fool (sorry, but that’s how you’re coming across).

    Btw, you forgot to add (or foolishly overlooked) that the only reason SP commented – just once – at White’s blog (his sole venture outside this blog) was because he (that is: I) wrote about White’s take down of Sear. Here:

    https://iainhall.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/lefty-says-an-onymous-lefty-is-just-a-bigot-and-a-troll/

    I can only imagine the reaction if some joker with a pseudonym said that “Ray Dixon thinks he is always right” on some blog

    Well plenty of people have (including you) and I couldn’t give a shit.

    Now for God’s sake (again) cut out the crap mate. You’re just looking like you’re after a desperate ‘gotcha’. And you’ve failed.

    As SP might say: Youse looking stupid LOLLY.

  22. Iain Hall says:

    LOL

    Seems like a case of “physician, heal thy self”.

    Well given that Ray has retried the character there is no need for further healing now is there?

  23. Lord Other Iain says:

    Indeed not Iain.
    I’m taking the kids out for the afternoon now. I think you should get some fresh air too Ray.

  24. Ray Dixon says:

    Gladly, LOL. You’ve putrified the air around here, mate. Have fun with the kids and, as Iain says, you’ve done nothing to dent my reputation or my stint as SP. You’ve just come out with a lot of splitting straws and pointless digs. Buggered if I know why? Or maybe I do. Anyway, enjoy the rest of the day. Do try not to be such of a prat & spoilt sport in future – it really is tiresome and sets things back. I was just starting to get to like you and, believe me, that’s hard!

  25. The Other Iain says:

    I’m not trying to dent anyone’s rep here Ray. I started off by saying I thought “Sockpuppet” was unfunny and lame. That is my opinion and it hasn’t changed. You are just too thin skinned to accept that someone didn’t like your talking pig. And now you’re resorting to unchecked abuse. It’s not a good look.

  26. Ray Dixon says:

    “Unchecked abuse”??? LOL, LOL. As for “thin skinned”, I couldn’t care less what you think of my writing as SP. If I were worried about what anyone thought why would I have owned up and written that post? The one you won’t read. I had no obligation to do that.

    You sure are trying to dent reputations – it’s your stock-in-trade. And you do it from an alias. Now come on, LOL, be a nice guy for once.

  27. The Other Iain says:

    I stand by my comment of 5:09pm, Ray.
    I have nothing against you. I’m sure you are a very nice chap in real life.
    I just didn’t like your pig. I thought it was silly.
    The end.

  28. Ray Dixon says:

    Yeah, right, LOL. And you took how many words and how many comments on how many different posts today to say “I just didn’t like your pig. I thought it was silly”?

    No mate. You are truly obsessed.

    But you’re right about me being a nice guy. Pity you ain’t.

  29. Ray Dixon says:

    Oh, one more thing, LOL.

    “I’m sure you are a very nice chap in real life.”

    This IS real life, LOL. Or it’s part of it for those who comment under their real names (unlike you). And especially for those who don’t hide personal contact, business details etc (unlike you).

    Anyway, the point of this comment is to thank you for giving me an idea about a new post that I might write over the next few days. You’ll be in it. Watch and wait, mate. Cheers.

  30. Ray Dixon says:

    LOL, or TOI or whatever stinking alias you go by, as you – and you alone – can now see, I’ve put your last comment on this thread in moderation. Kindly read the reply I put there too and take heed. You are pushing the envelope mate – especially for an alias.

  31. damage says:

    LOL @ LOL.
    (Should that be LIL lord iain l**o)

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