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A glimpse of Bess Price’s world

Although I’m just a simple whitefella I am very concerned about the plight of our indigenous people which is why I have written about the topic on a fairly regular basis here at the Sandpit. It is also the reason that I have been rather scathing of the lefties who have done such a great disservice to the most disadvantaged Australians by focusing on a rights agenda rather than seeking good practical outcomes and a real future for the original inhabitants of this wide brown land. This has led me to respect and admire people like Noel Pearson and Bess Price. It is the latter that I want to highlight today.

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I was lying in bed early this morning listening to Radio National when the repeat of “Background briefing” came on. Please listen at my link or read the transcript for a most sensible argument about what has to be done to give the first people of this country a chance at being part of the future rather than a sad footnote from our past. Clearly its not the rights agenda driven aborigines by choice who are going to provide salvation for those desperate people in remote Australia, its people like Bess Price who understand that not every part of Indigenous culture should be immutable or given undue deference in the face of modernity.

  Much respect Comrades


25 Comments

  1. Craigy says:

    As a leftist (if that’s what you think I am, I’ll go with it for now) I have worked with Indigenous Australians on practical matters for years Iain.

    As a rightist, what practical help have you given to indigenous people, given your many posts and stated concern for them?? How many hours this year?

    And FYI, the land rights issues and welfare reform are not just ‘leftist’ issues but a central part of practical measures to restore dignity and justice to a marginalised and disenfranchised group. Noel Person and every decent person I know support this goal and understand the two things are related.

    ‘Rights’ and ‘practical help’ go hand in hand, it isn’t one or the other Iain.

    Why do wingnuts see everything as one way or the other?? Sometimes you need a mix of things and we need to get that mix right.

    Bess said she wants good education, has a ‘right’ to good education and I agree. She wants the right to be free of violence and I agree with that.

    Who will help with this? ‘Leftist’ teachers and ‘leftist’ social workers most likely.

    When do you and Andrew Bolt leave for the NT Iain?

  2. Huskie_Jim says:

    Your in the NT?

  3. Luzu says:

    Craigy,
    Can you tell us what you’ve been doing? I have to admit my help has been limited to giving money to an organisation that works with Aboriginals in Booraloola and taking a couple into my own home for a week. I agree, it’s not much.

  4. Iain Hall says:

    Like Luzu I would like to know precisely what you were doing Craigy, that said have you actually listened to the audio here? Actually listened to what Bess Price has to say?
    Because if you had I suspect that you would agree with much of what she has said.
    That said I have never suggested that “rights ” are completely irrelevant just a second order issue that is less important while there is un-addressed violence and abuse.

  5. Craigy says:

    Luzu, good on you for helping people out. I’m in Melbourne and I will tell you and Iain what I do (though Iain knows this already) when Iain answers my question first. It’s only polite.

    So I ask again Iain:

    As a rightist, what practical help have you given to indigenous people, given your many posts and stated concern for them?? How many hours this year?

  6. damage says:

    In other words nothing.

    Mind you as we established yesterday, (according to Craigy logic) anyone who doed help or stay involved with, Aboriginal people is defending and condoning the sexual abuse of their children.

    Of course that’s really silly logic, but it’s only the view of a bigot when its made against a racial group.

  7. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    I notice that you don’t say that you have listened to the audio that I linked too… Hmm I wonder if that is because you have not actually done so yet..
    Listen to what Bess Price has to say and then get back to us OK?

  8. damage says:

    The only audio you’ll hear is the sound of Craigy’s little feet heading for the hills.

  9. Craigy says:

    Look damage, I’m talking to Iain now and you just don’t make any sense in your attempts to attack me and butt in, like this:

    “(according to Craigy logic) anyone who doed (sic) help or stay involved with, Aboriginal people is defending and condoning the sexual abuse of their children.

    Say something sensible, or back up your comments with examples, so we can understand you, and I will comment.

  10. damage says:

    Why don’t you stop trying to deflect the issue of your non answering of the question.

    Here’s a good way.
    You made the claim ” I have worked with Indigenous Australians on practical matters for years ………….”
    Can you tell us what you’ve been doing?

  11. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    I keep asking about you actually listening to the audio because my blog stats tell me how many clicks the like has had and its a very low number. So if you have yet to do so please listen to it. Now I’m not trying to point-score against the “evil Left” here I genuinely think that Bess Price has a most pertinent point of view on this issue and what she says about aspects traditional culture being an impediment to peace and prosperity in a modern Australia makes sense.

  12. damage says:

    Iain

    To paraphrase St Paul.
    If you speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but do it to Graigy, you are a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

  13. Craigy says:

    Will do Iain, just need a break at work, if I don’t get to it today I’ll comment in the morning.

    Care to answer my question while we wait?

  14. Craigy says:

    “Can you tell us what you’ve been doing?”

    Can you tell us about the Church business you work for ‘HJ’, I mean ‘damage’.

    I will answer Luzu and Iain by email, when Iain answers my question.

  15. damage says:

    I don’t work for a church.

    Why not answer here when you bragged of it here?

    Cowardice?

  16. Craigy says:

    Look I am having the argument with others so unless you have the guts to tell us
    what you do, then you won’t be in on my big secret. (It’s like talking to a 12 year old).

    Go away.

  17. damage says:

    Coward then.

  18. Luzu says:

    Why is it that such forums become a matter of trading insults? Is it a man thing? Craigy, I would really like to help out indigenous people, not by responding when they beg (and physically intimidate me) down at my local Coles but by doing something of real value. I did volunteer reading with some Aboriginal kids at my local school while my own children were taught there and I supported the chaplain in the school who had a lot of involvement with all the kids. But when (from my perspective) some of the issues facing these kids stem from cultural understandings or practices within their community, what can a non-Aboriginal like myself do?

  19. Sax says:

    Like I did many years ago Luzu. Being the social coward I am, I went to the elders, and asked what I had done wrong, and managed, apologetically, to get them to explain the difference, and where I had gone wrong. Most times, if not all, we all came away with a different outlook on things, and they really appreciated being asked, if only for the fact someone was actually interested enough to ask ?

  20. Craigy says:

    Coward then

    This from an anonymous writer…..LOL.

  21. damage says:

    you’re an anonymous writer craig

    I’m going to ask you to do something you’re not done at Iain request.

    Listen to this.

    http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2011/3203542.htm

    Its from Gary Johns President of the Bennelong Society and former Special Minister of State in the Keating government.
    Johns is no idiot.

    Now I realise that your particular form of cowardice means you won’t (listen to it)
    So I’m going to pop in a quote from it.

    “Now there were five separate inquiries into Aboriginal child sexual abuse around Australia, starting in 1999 with Bonnie Robson here in Queensland right through to Mulligan in south Australia just in 2007 or 8. And this included the ‘Little Children are Sacred’ inquiry in the Northern Territory, Wild and Anderson’s inquiry, which of course was the pretext for the Intervention. Now each concluded, each of the five inquiries concluded that the solution to the moral collapse of remote communities was for Aborigines to return to their culture. Now were they aware that the central element of Aboriginal culture was that old men take multiple wives, including very young girls, and that these women and girls were not only treated harshly, they were bought and sold to settle disputes, as favours between old men and groups whom they would be dealing with or fighting. that was an essential part of Aboriginal culture.”

  22. Craigy says:

    Look I don’t really have an argument with you on this, except that you are trying to compare the priests of the Catholic Church with alcoholic, dysfunctional men. How that compares I don’t know.

    “each of the five inquiries concluded that the solution to the moral collapse of remote communities was for Aborigines to return to their culture. “

    So even though you go on to point out that their culture has some historic stuff that we don’t like, the statement you quote above destroys your own argument.

    The current abuse is not due to culture but social disadvantage, of a very modern kind.

    As I said, your comprehension skills are some what lacking.

  23. Craigy says:

    Oh and here you go.

    Craig Young of Strathewen Victoria……I work at RMIT Melbourne.

    Look me up!…..Now your turn to be brave.

  24. damage says:

    “……….you are trying to compare the priests of the Catholic Church with alcoholic, dysfunctional men.”
    No I’m attempting to compare your attitude to people who continue to support those communities.
    You’ve condemned people who continue an afinity with the church, but you yourself brag of an afinity for the aboriginal community which is far worse affected by this issue.
    There’s a double standard there. Praps you might like to rethink your attitude to Catholics.
    Many other communities have social disadvantage too – without endemic abuse. STOP MAKING EXCUSES.

    I have no intention of looking you up.

    Phill Reunias
    Anglesea Victoria
    Currently not employed.
    Student.
    Please – don’t look me up.

  25. Sax says:

    Now there’s a fine work of fiction for ya

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