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Being Bob's Biatch….

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In colloquial terms a person is someone’s bitch when they are subservient to their will, this term of derision is freely used when describing individuals of both genders and while it may seem rather crude, when it comes to describing the relationship between Gillard and Brown on the environmental issue de jour. There is some merit in the terminology.

Of more concern to me is the lack of an apostrophe to designate the possessive case in the word “Browns”. It is usually the left who make such basic orthographic errors and I am deeply disturbed that one of my fellow conservative/sceptics has been remiss enough to have missed the most important punctuation marks from their placard…

To be honest I have been amazed at the rancour of the many minions of the left  over the pithy signs at this rally its not as if the minions of the left have never been lacking in good taste or due respect to the leaders of the nation when the coalition have been the subject of the people’s ire in public protests,  In my youth I vividly remember some lefty wag  writing (in metre high letters) on the wall of the Milton underpass. “DOES FLO GIVE JOH A (BLOW) JOB?” after Joh made her a senator to fill a casual vacancy that was certainly crude but it was also bitingly funny and how many times have the left  referred to Tony Abbott as the “the mad monk”? Look such things are horses for courses in our political dialogue and if one side can do it freely then so to can the other.

Some protesters did seem to be off message but what is new about that?

More from the rally

Protest sign Spell check in action?

We have a most robust  democracy that does not allow excessively  obsequious deference to our political leaders, that is one of the strengths of our egalitarian society and to my mind that makes Australia a better democracy than is evident in the USA where they revere their leaders in a way that is entirely alien to us. All I can say to the lefties who are getting upset about signs like the one at the top of this piece is, well, grow some and stop pretending that our democracy is not robust enough to tolerate a little justified derision of those we have in power (or of those who aspire to power), it helps to keep them grounded and free of hubris and that has to be a good thing.

Update just compare the following images and consider their tone and content  compared to those exhibited yesterday:

Cheers Comrades


44 Comments

  1. Craigy says:

    I think it’s great to see these signs. We can see so clearly how twisted and sick the hard right is in this country. Religious nutters, racists and bigots abound and surround Tony Abbott.

    Free speech is a good thing especially when it shows clearly to decent people just how deranged the supporters of the Mad Monk really are, and how he laps up the adoration of these dribbling loonies.

    The ‘Tea Party’ rallies have had the same effect in the US, once normal people see how out-there the right is these days they run a mile. Same in Australia, the more Tony shows his true support, the less chance we could have him disastrously elected as PM.

    Iain, you have been very quiet about the latest polls. Both federal and state (QLD) are not looking good for the rightists.

    One other thing, in Victoria Ted Baillieu is Peter Ryan’s ‘Bitch’ (over the mountain cattle issue), an image that I don’t want in my head, that’s for sure. As for Julia being someone’s ‘Bitch’ that’s an image some people might like to see!

  2. Ray Dixon says:

    You can colour it anyway you like, Iain, but for Abbott to stand (quite willingly it seems) in front of a sign that reads “JULIAR … BOB BROWNS BITCH” (with the word bitch in flames – a burn-in-hell reference?) while he addressed a crowd of bussed-in nerds and retirement home residents is just poor form.

    So if Julia Gillard addressed a pro-carbon tax rally in front of a sign reading “PHONY TONY … CHRIS PYNE’S BUTCH” that’d be okay by you? I see.

    Anyway, judging by those other shots of the ‘protesters’ you’ve got there, I don’t think Abbott’s people’s revolution is exactly catching on. He’s just preaching to the converted and rusted-on wingnuts. Thanks for the link.

  3. Craigy says:

    So everyone in Queensland is sick of Bligh and the ALP are they Iain…..

    Read it and weep:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/24/3172118.htm?section=justin

    Ray, you were spot on with your comments about the LNP, can’t wait to get up there on Saturday!

  4. Iain Hall says:

    Ray as some liberal pollies remind us the left do far worse:

    Mr Abbott urged community members and politicians to conduct the carbon tax debate with respect.

    “If the prime minister had been straight with the Australian people before the election, we wouldn’t be in quite the situation we are now in,” he said.

    Liberal frontbencher Ian Macfarlane played down the protestor’s slogans and placards, saying that Australians made full use of their democratic rights.

    “I’ve seen protests in Melbourne, and Bob Brown was associated with those protests, where police were attacked by protestors. I’ve seen the waterfront dispute,” he said.

    Liberal MP Sophie Mirabella most of the protesters were reasonable people.

    “The predominant image was of ordinary citizens concerned and angry that they were lied to and wanting their voice heard,” he said.

    And Liberal frontbencher Ian Macfarlane played down the messages on protesters’ placards, saying Australians made full use of their democratic rights.

    “I’ve seen protests in Melbourne, and Bob Brown was associated with those protests, where police were attacked by protestors. I’ve seen the waterfront dispute,” he said.

    “I’ve seen some unionists say some disgusting things about prime ministers of Australia.”
    source

    If you keep trying to mount the high horse on this issue then you may find one of two things happen, either you will get thrown or you will end up smelling of horse sweat, neither of which are very dignified.

  5. Craigy says:

    Tony Abbott said this???

    “If the prime minister had been straight with the Australian people before the election,”

    This from the man who said before the election:

    “Climate change is crap”

    And now he says:

    “Climate change is happening and humans are part of it”

    And then you quote Sophie Mirabella!!!

    Ray can you help Iain out here…..

  6. Ray Dixon says:

    Sure can, Craigy. Using Sophie Mirabella quotes to support your point of view on how pollies should conduct themselves is like quoting Osama Bin Laden on how to bring about world peace. She’s the bloody anti-Christ, Iain.

  7. Iain Hall says:

    Look at the pictures in this Bolt post Ray and you can’t escape the fact that your pals on the left are worse so what is it that so upset you ?
    was it the “bitch” word?
    🙄

  8. Ray Dixon says:

    Firstly, Iain, I’m not “upset” about it. On the contrary, I think Abbott making a total goose of himself (again) is good news. I think it’s also good that his posturing and positioning himself in front of those derogatory signs has brought him further undone as the crass, disrespectful and thoughtless person he is. If Brown, Gillard or any other leader stood in front of those anti-Howard signs you linked to (deliberately stood in front of them, like Abbott did) while being filmed & photographed addressing a rally, then you’d have a case of saying “well they did it so why can’t Abbott? You see he doesn’t get it. Nor do you. Nor does anyone from the conservative side – two wrongs don’t make a right, so just pointing to those anti-Howard placards is meaningless.

  9. Sax says:

    If you guys are believing anything that is coming out of Brown’s mouth, then you have less intelligence than I gave you all credit for.
    He has the taste of the power at his command at the negotiating table, and will do anything that is required to hang on to it, and even worse, try to expand it. It has nothing to do with the Greens anymore, now, it’s him, and him only.

    I feel sorry for all the honest greenies, that only have the environment on their agenda. That agenda is now lost, to a leader that has the acrid taste of power, and wants more.

    What a future to look forward to, or even worse, the future choice of Labor under Dullard and Browny, or the Abbott fiasco.
    Hardly a future to look forward to ?

  10. Iain Hall says:

    Look Ray I’m as much for civil public discourse as anyone on the planet but as I said in the post robust dialogue is the norm in Australia and as such those who are denouncing Tony in these circumstances are being overly dramatic and largely hypocritical if they won’t denounce all excesses in political demonstrations.

    The rancour about Tony appearing in front of those banners is conflated and contrived and If it changes even one vote I would be very surprised indeed.

  11. Craigy says:

    Sax, I have met and worked with Bob Brown and you couldn’t be more wrong.

    Of all the pollies I have had the pleasure of meeting and/or interviewing over the years, he is the only one who is doing the job for reasons other than power or money.

    In fact in his early days he was incredibly shy and couldn’t wait for someone else to take his place once he was involved, he never wanted to be the leader. It was this humble integrity that made him irreplaceable as the spokesman of the Tassie Greens and the only person at that time who could have taken the party to where it is now.

    I can tell you absolutely that this is not the path he wanted for himself and that it took a lot of convincing to get him to keep standing. It was only his concern for the future of this countries environment and his passion for old growth forests that gave him the courage to keep going in politics.

    Over time, his confidence has grown but leading the Greens is still something he does reluctantly. Coming-out was a big step for him as well I guess.

  12. Sax says:

    Then he needs to work on his public persona Craigy, cos that’s the impression I and others are getting from him ?

  13. gigdiary says:

    Nice comment, Craigy, well said. Regardless of what I think of the politics, that’s a considerable endorsement.

    Still won’t vote Green though 🙂

  14. gigdiary says:

    Mind you, as far as working on their public persona, Abbott is so far behind it should be scaring the Libs senseless 😦

  15. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    I don’t doubt that Brown is a genuinely good guy But this whole “AGW / global warming thing” has done more harm to the environmental movement than any good that they have done in the past. As Sax suggests those who are really concerned about the environment should be upset that so much effort and good will is being wasted on the fools errand of trying to influence /control the climate.

  16. Sax says:

    I agree Iain, but you forgot one of the most important wastages ?
    Money !
    😦

  17. Ray Dixon says:

    Agreed, Craigy, GD, Brown is probably a nice guy. So what? I don’t care if politicians are “nice guys” as long as they get the job done. Look at Keating, arrogant as all hell, but a real leader and visionary. I can’t say that for Bob. Or Tony. Getting back to the topic, Abbott called for this so-called ‘people’s revolt’ and what we saw yesterday was pretty much the result of that. In other words – he “owns” those signs and the vile rhetoric that goes with them. Turnbull will be back before the year is out.

  18. gigdiary says:

    Moving off the topic for a moment, I agree, Ray. Neither Abbott nor Brown are national leaders, and Gillard is merely keeping the seat warm till Turnbull or similar take over. Keating may have been a visionary, but he certainly wasn’t a leader. The electorate were straining at the bit to get rid of him after one term. Post politics, he has been shown himself to be anything but visionary with his pronouncements regarding the Barangaroo development on Sydney Harbour. His previous achievements include the development of the ‘Toaster’ and other eye-sores along Circular Quay. Perhaps as penance he should revisit his old stamping ground, Bankstown, where today most of the women wear burqas.

    Now there’s a vision for Sydney 🙂

  19. Indii says:

    yet another piece of irrelevant garbage from the master of irrelevancy.

  20. damage says:

    Craigy

    You have quoted the leader of the opposition as follows.

    This from the man who said before the election:

    “Climate change is crap”

    Can you please link to any instance of his having actually uttered those words – since you have quoted him saying it?

    Otherwise I reserve the right to call you a Ju-liar deciple.

    You have – at this site – been guilty of deliberately misquoting people before and it appears that you are stooping to this tactic once more.
    What is it with the left and telling lies?

  21. Sax says:

    yet another piece of irrelevant garbage from the master of irrelevancy

    And from Indii, another masterstroke of inwards character assessment.

  22. Ray Dixon says:

    GD, Paul Keating was the architect of the strong economy Australia has enjoyed since 1996 – ironically the year he was voted out (after 2 terms as PM, not one btw). Howard owes his whole 11 years as PM in boom times to the legacy Keating left him – an Australian economy no longer subject to the ‘boom & bust’ cycle. Of course he put us through pain to get there but, make no mistake, Keating put Australia on the right course. If you’re not happy with burqa wearing immigrants (and I’m yet to actually see one in person – have you?) just wait ten years and all will be fine. The early ‘wogs’ looked pretty odd there for a while too.

  23. Craigy says:

    damage, this is the last time I do this for you my lazy friend……

    “By the time he left, flush with the energy of farmers such as David “Rocky” George — whom he calls “practical environmentalists” — “he had dismissed the science underpinning climate change as “crap”.

    The next morning a long phone call with ally Nick Minchin convinced him that voting for the ETS would fracture the Coalition and split the Liberal Party.

    The Weekend Australian this week returned to Beaufort to talk to those who were with Abbott when he set his foot on the road to Damascus. Among them was Joe McCracken, the young vice-president of the Beaufort branch of the Liberal Party.

    “He did say crap; he did say I’m a sceptic and there was big applause,” McCracken says.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/the-town-that-turned-up-the-temperature/story-e6frgczf-1225809567009

    What is it with wingnuts and red-herrings (and no google skills?)?

  24. damage says:

    Oh dear.
    Craigy’s “quote” is actually a quote of a report of a quote.

    No No No Craig.

    You did this “These are the words of Tony Abbott”
    See the “”means that he said those exact words.
    You need to show where he said that. You’re inventing that quote because he never said it at all.

    What he did say was, and I can link to him saying it, “Some of the science is crap.”

    You are a maker up of quotes Craigy. That’s a form of LYING.

  25. Iain Hall says:

    Yes I agree damage I would very much like to see the entire quote and its context, I have found the initial report in the OZ of where he was first cited as saying it but the full text would be very good, rather than just the second-hand versions (with spin).
    So over to you Craigy 😉

  26. damage says:

    Tick tock tick tock

  27. damage says:

    Just didn’t want you to miss this AGAIN Craigy.

    Better get on with it mate.

    Please indicate where Tony Abbott said the words you “quoted him as having said” on March 24, 2011 at 9:35 pm when you said;

    “This from the man who said before the election:

    “Climate change is crap”…”

    You are beginning to gain a reputation for quoting people for things they never said or changing a quote to make it appear more in favour of your argument. BOTH of which are a form of LYING.

    Best set that straight before it becomes your AKA

    Craigy (the lying misquoter)

    Over to you mate.

  28. Craigy says:

    Not playing your stupid game damage …..

  29. Craigy says:

    Iain, here are some quotes from Tony as reported in the MSM.

    “The argument [on climate change] is absolute crap.”

    SOURCE: THE AUSTRALIAN, 12 DECEMBER 2009.

    “We can’t conclusively say whether man-made carbon dioxide emissions are contributing to climate change.”

    SOURCE: TONY ABBOTT, SPEECH, 27 JULY 2009

    “I think the science behind the policy is contentious to say the least.”

    SOURCE: ABC RADIO AM, 4 AUGUST 2009

    “I am, as you know, hugely unconvinced by the so-called settled science on climate change.”

    SOURCE: ABC 7.30 REPORT, 27 JULY 2009.

    “It seems that, notwithstanding the dramatic increases in manmade CO2 emissions over the last decade, the world’s warming has stopped.”

    SOURCE: HERALD SUN, 5 JANUARY 2010.

    Do you really think Tony supports the science on AGW and has a balanced view Iain?

    Why are you troubled by the words he has used, surely you think his view that ‘climate change is crap’ is the right one? I’m confused, do you now think we have an issue with AGW or not?

  30. damage says:

    So it’s a “stupid game” for the left to attribue a quote now?

    None of the quotes you have there say “Climate change is crap” Craigy. At best there is a report of him saying the argument is crap, but that’s never been determined to be so.

    As for the other quotes, I would suggest that they are the type of thing a person with an open mind ergo a “balanced view” would say.
    No scientist I have ever heard will suggest that there is conclusive proof that man-made carbon dioxide emissions are contributing to climate change. At absolute best they suggest that it’s 90% and that 90% of their kind agree with them. That’s evidence of groupthink, not climate change.
    And there is huge contension about the science and the impact that climate change is having and will have. Even Tim Flannery is at odds with the policy makers. He’s suggesting that it will take 1000 years to right the climate even if we are able to reduce the emissions to pre industrial levels permanently. Are we to understand that all scientists (or even any) agree with that assessment?

    Now you can stand on the alter of climate change and cry “heretic” all you like Craigy, but the science is not un-contended and there is huge doubt that it’s happening at all of if we could ever fix it if it is.

    And you still have not admitted to misquoting Abbott.

  31. Craigy says:

    Damage,

    So much wrong with your last post damage. The answers are all out there mate. I don’t have time to be your teacher on the basics of AGW and how what Flannery said makes total sense. I suggest you go read some stuff, it’s all out there.

    And YES I did paraphrase Abbott, doesn’t change the meaning of what he said though. FFS grow up.

  32. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    The thing is you Warministas are very keen on the apparently decisive sound bite when it suits your narrative:

    “The argument [on climate change] is absolute crap.”

    SOURCE: THE AUSTRALIAN, 12 DECEMBER 2009.

    What precisely is the complete quote here? Tony’s actual words, the complete statement please.

    “We can’t conclusively say whether man-made carbon dioxide emissions are contributing to climate change.”

    SOURCE: TONY ABBOTT, SPEECH, 27 JULY 2009

    The words I have emboldened here are the key points and even an AGW enthusiast such as your self should be able to apreciate the point that Tony is making here, namely that there is a lack of evidence for causality here

    “I think the science behind the policy is contentious to say the least.”

    SOURCE: ABC RADIO AM, 4 AUGUST 2009

    What is wrong with saying that the science is not certain?

    “I am, as you know, hugely unconvinced by the so-called settled science on climate change.”

    SOURCE: ABC 7.30 REPORT, 27 JULY 2009.

    reasonable doubt by any measure

    “It seems that, notwithstanding the dramatic increases in manmade CO2 emissions over the last decade, the world’s warming has stopped.”

    SOURCE: HERALD SUN, 5 JANUARY 2010.

    That is an anomaly in the AGW theory that warrants explanation , Care to try ?

    Do you really think Tony supports the science on AGW and has a balanced view Iain?

    Wrong question I think Craigy I think that his view is more balanced than true believers in AGW who want to expend huge amounts of effort and treasure on a fools errand ( that of trying to change the climate) rather than prudently being prepared to adapt to any change in the climate as it comes because Abbott is rather more keen to suggest action that will offer benefits even if the AGW theory proves to be “total crap”

    Why are you troubled by the words he has used, surely you think his view that ‘climate change is crap’ is the right one? I’m confused, do you now think we have an issue with AGW or not?

    I think that he is like a lot of conservatives keenly aware of getting value for the taxpayers dollar and even if he personally believes in AGW he does not believe that pissing into the wind is going to be of any benefit for this country its all about the cost in relation to the benefit and your side of this argument have been rather poor at showing any of your remedies will actually work in any meaningful way.

  33. Craigy says:

    Nice try at defending Tony Iain, but as you well know he has no idea, just like you and I, about climate change science and likes to claim it is crap one day, and that he believes the science the next. He has no credibility on this issue.

    I have posted the calculations used by climate science on this blog before and asked you to explain it to me and you can’t. So to pretend you have a better understanding of the science than even Tim Flannery is just laughable. Yet that is what you do every time this comes up, you claim to understand that the views of all our major science bodies, the chief scientist in this country and the vast majority of climate scientist world wide are wrong.

    Good luck with your denialism and wingnuttery…

  34. damage says:

    “it’s all out there”

    Oh so true.

    Yopu don’t paraphrase with quotes unless you lie

  35. Craigy says:

    LOL

  36. gigdiary says:

    which is what you do when you are losing an argument

    I don’t see Ray losing an argument here, Craigy. It seems that as soon as someone presents more than a few valid points, you automatically classify their argument as lost. That’s a strange way to debate issues. Either that or you resort to slanging terms such as ‘wingnuttery’. Now I’m all for making fun of the other side, ‘leftards’ and ‘latte sippers’, but not in the hard and fast arena that you presume to hold sway over, ie return argument for argument.

    Iain and Ray, particularly, match you head for head, point for point, and often more on most issues. Unfortunately at a certain point, you give up the ghost, throw out a few of your catchphrases such as ‘strawman’ and maintain that you have won the argument.

  37. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy I did you the courtesy of refuting your points in turn and you respond as you do above?
    Heaven in a hand basket man surely you can do better than just resorting to the ad hominim attack on both Tony Abbott and myself, that is an admission of defeat in my book.

  38. gigdiary says:

    So to pretend you have a better understanding of the science than even Tim Flannery is just laughable.

    the chief scientist in this country

    Now that really is laughable.

    This is the guy who forecast permanent drought throughout Australia (in 2007). Sort of hasn’t happened. Whatever you make of his ‘thousand years before making a difference claim’, his predictive record is looking rather bad.

    His business acumen isn’t looking any better. He championed a foray into the development of an alternate energy scheme which fizzled, either because it was unworkable or the fact that a year later it rained heavily and the whole project got washed out. Literally and figuratively. So much for his idea of a sustainable energy source.

    Back to the coalface. Although his credibility has been trashed, he successfully lobbied for a job in the Gillard government, as you say, ‘the chief scientist in this country’.

    Craigy, he isn’t the greatest scientist in this country. He is a man who has studied mammals and received a doctorate for it. His opinions are no more worthy than many others. The fact that his laughable predictions have been disproved surely tells thinking people that the guy doesn’t have his shit together.

  39. Sax says:

    C’mon guys. Who does know about the science. It is that new, that they are all poking around in the dark, myself included, and I work in the field ffs ?
    It’s all lesser of two evils stuff. Enjoy the rhetoric like I am. It’s fun to watch the dropkick pollies (all persuasions ?), fumble in the dark, trying to convince us mere mortals that they are right, and everyone else is wrong. That’s politics to a T isn’t it ?
    Just sit back with a coldy at the end of the day, and laugh at all of them.

  40. Ray Dixon says:

    I remember Tim Flannery and John Doyle (‘Rampaging Roy Slaven’ from Roy & HG, if you don’t know who he is) going down the Darling & the Murray in the brilliant ABC series ‘Two men and a tinnie’. Flannery was constantly reminding us how the rivers were f*cked, particularly the Darling, due to climate change and man’s interference. That was about 2 years ago. Take a look at it now – there’s too much water. I think he’s okay but he’s also an alarmist and a bit of a populist. There’s no doubt, in my opinion, that our climate has taken another change recently. It’s become very wet!

  41. Sax says:

    Didn’t we all have a conversation about a year ago, about the pathetic water levels in the Murray/Darling scheme ? With the rains finally coming, the system will get its overdue flush out, and all will be back to normal. (unless as you say Ray, it floods them all out ?)

    Infortunately, for us anyway, the climate change debate is full on in the news right now. Every pollie in Canberra is trying to jump on to the bandwagon, in an attempt to win over the “greeny” in us all, and of course to get their mugs on the telly in the process ?

    We are a country of drought and flood. That has been the way for thousands of years. All we can do is manage it correctly. By dams, water restrictions, efficient farming water utilisation systems, and atmospheric testing as we are doing now. Whether these egg heads have the qualifications, knowledge and experience to be trusted with this task, is what will decide in the future what sort of country we hand to our kids. Personally, for my money, I think our kids are in deep doo doo !

  42. Craigy says:

    GD, I was not saying Tim Flannery is our ‘chief scientist’, I was referring to this:

    http://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/

    Tim Flannery is doing a great job and was a fine Australian of the year. I hear him talking about probabilities and possible reasons for prolonged drought and increased storm strength, wingnuts hear him saying something else or deliberately play dumb when he tells it like it is, as is the case with his 1000 year comment.

    Whether you think we have a problem or not, the world is moving to reduce carbon emissions and the MSM and the Government need to lead the conversation on how we can be a part of it. Unfortunately, in the MSM, there are still some idiots standing on the sidelines throwing tomatoes, putting their self interest above the greater good. I guess you can say the same about politics, looking again at the sign Mr. Abbott is standing in front of.

  43. damage says:

    Flannery is in the employ of a faith based clique. He is (as is Craigy) preaching the dogma of that faith. At least Flannery has his pay checque as an excuse for telling lies.

    Wonder what Craigy’s excuse is?

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