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The Vexed question of young lesos

Lesos denied justice? Well one of them is under the age of consent.

Today I look at the disturbing social trend for young girls to become lesos while they are still at school and have sex with underage girls at the same school.

What has prompted this is the Ivanhoe Girls Grammar controversy  which is really a storm in an A cup but which all the media thinks is a real big deal and have stuck it on there front pages.

The story is about how 16 yearold student Hannah Williams is bitching over not being allowed to take her 15 yearold lesbian girlfriend Savannah Supski to the Year 11 school dinner dance. Hannah’s Dad Peter even lodged a complaint with the Equal Opportunities Commission saying the school was “homophobic” and had “discriminated against his daughter because of her sexual orientation”. He did not get very far with that and has now pulled his daughter out of the expensive school and stuck her in a free government one to finish her Year 12 next year. I guess hes saving a lot of money by doing that too. 

Now I will make a brief comment about the dinner dance ban and move on to the real issue here of underage lesos: I think Hannah might have been pushing the envelope with her school by wanting to bring a Year 10 student at the same school to the Year 11 ball. But the school was dumb to say they must bring boys because what about the girls who cant get a male date because they are not attractive, what do they do? I reckon the school was right to ban Savannah from attending a function for the next year up but wrong to say girls cant bring girl dates if they cant get a bloke. They could have made a ‘no-signs-of-leso-affection’ rule if they wanted to, like ‘no kissing and no feeling each other up’. Then they could have avoided this controversy and our media would not be filled with this stupid non-story.

So onto the real issue. One of these girls is only 15 and in Victoria that is under the age of sexual consent which is 16 here in Victoria in case you were sizing up your next door neighbours daughter – dont do it if shes under 16 or you will go to jail.

Which raises (not begs) the VEXED QUESTION:

Should lesos over the legal age be allowed by law to have sex with lesos under the legal age? You know should older lesos be exempted from the law that says you cannot have sex with a minor? It seems they are.

If a 16 year old boy was humping a 15 yearold girl is that legal? I dont think so. The 15 year old is under the age of consent so it should be hands off and dick kept in pants should it not?

You are welcome to stand me corrected if so but it seems to me that lesos are getting around the law here.

This also raises the issue of how the hell do girls know at 14 or 15 or even younger that they are really lesbian? Could it be they are just following social trends of ‘gay is okay and its cool to be one’ and are getting led astray and laid by older lesos at there schools? Especially maybe at all girls schools – no other choice eh? Yous can debate that one in the comments but I think I have raised another important issue here.


51 Comments

  1. Diane says:

    First of all Iain, there is no evidence that the two girls are having under age sex so the issue of breaking the law is irrelevant. The real issue here is the stupidity of the father of Hannah Williams for pulling his daughter out of a school that has a good academic reputation, especially when she is in year 11. If the school really wants the female students to have co-oeducational experiences then they should interact more often with the co-ed Ivanhoe Grammar Ridgeway campus down the road, where the ratio of boys to girls is 4 to 2. I understand why the school wanted the girls to bring male dates to the formal, but to ban a female friend from attending is over the top. I doubt there would have been any lesbian scenes of snogging and groping, the school has a reputation and the students are expected to follow the code of conduct. Maybe they thought Hannah was a loose cannon (and didn’t want to risk allowing her girlfriend to attend) she certainly gives that impression with her media attention. Personally I think single sex schools are outdated, we live in a co-ed world and these kids from same sex schools don’t know how to behave when they come across the opposite sex; some of them become silly, tarty and macho. Thats my opinion and for the record my kids attend co-ed schools, one of then being Ivanhoe Grammar.

  2. SockPuppet says:

    Hi Diane – this is my post not Iains. I know “there is no evidence that the two girls are having under age sex” and that is why I did not say they were. Maybe they just hug & kiss and stuff? What do you think?

    Anyway my point was made very clearly to the eyes and ears of most people that the incident of an over legal age leso having an under legal age leso girlfriend raises (not “begs”) the very VEXED question of the topic of leso sex with minors. Dont you think it does? Of course it does it is what is called a logical extension.

    But I think you are right that Hannah might have been pushing the envelope on this.

    So what do you think about under age lesos having leso sex with over age lesos? Is that okay? Is it legal. These are the questions I raised to be answered.

  3. ileum says:

    I think Puppet’s just getting a bit worked up, Diane.

  4. SockPuppet says:

    It is the media who have got “worked up” about this leso dance ban ileum not me. I am just looking beyond the petty story and at the real issue it raises which is the Vexed question of underage leso sex. If you have no opinion on that and it looks like you dont I can only presume you approve of school children who are minors having leso sex with older girls?

  5. Luzu says:

    Sockpuppet,
    Somehow this whole post strikes me as slightly tongue in cheek. Are you fixated or what?
    I believe that in regards to the underage question, if the underage child is within two years of age of the other person, there is no offense. I guess it means there is less likely to be coercion or pressure to enter into a sexual relationship being brought to bear by a much older partner.

  6. SockPuppet says:

    I am not fixated but sometimes my tongue is in my cheek Luzu. It does not take you long to catch on.

    As for your analysis of underage sex are you sure that you are not referring to two people who are BOTH underage having it? I think that might be your mistake and I think someone over the age is not legally allowed to have sex with someone underage even if they are only two years apart in age.

    I think the age difference is only what is called a mitigating factor that the judge might take into account in deciding a sentence but its still illegal to bonk a minor. I am happy for you to do more research and prove me wrong though.

  7. ileum says:

    “If you have no opinion on that and it looks like you dont I can only presume you approve of school children who are minors having leso sex with older girls?”

    Of course, the only logical conclusion. Seriously though, haven’t been interested in the sexual relationships of high schoolers since I left the joint.

  8. Iain Hall says:

    Ileum

    Of course, the only logical conclusion. Seriously though, haven’t been interested in the sexual relationships of high schoolers since I left the joint.

    Funnily once you have children of your own then you start to be be far more concerned about such things than most of your fancy free latte sippers who only have to worry about their cat or goldfish…

  9. gigdiary says:

    Perhaps you should follow up on these two young girls in a few years…see if they’re still ‘committed’ lesbians…

    This is much more about adolescent expression and rebellion than sexuality. It is far more acceptable to be a gay female of that age than a gay male. This is a safe and attention seeking method of rebellion and self-realisation.

    It should be applauded. By changing schools, Dad is pandering to his daughter, unless he can’t afford the exorbitant fees any longer. I reckon he was just waiting for an excuse. As for the girl, she’s sixteen, and what, she can’t be told ‘no!’.

    Well, sorry, but ‘no!’ exists in real life as well as at school. It is part and parcel of working for an employer, studying at a university, in fact it is a part of life. So Hannah, or Savannah, whatever your name is, get used to it. There won’t always be Daddy to take your case to the Equal Opportunities Commission, and also recognise by doing so, he distracts the commission from far more urgent cases.

    Girls, this is called growing up. You will have many opportunities to express your individuality in the coming years. As Socky says, this is a storm in an A cup, and should have been left at that.

  10. SockPuppet says:

    Okay ileum I understand your position. You are not interested in whether any laws are being broken. It doesn’t bother you. Lesos having sex with underage girls is neither here nor there with you. I got it. Funny how you were aroused enough to comment in the first place.

  11. In Queensland, the age of consent for sexual intercourse is 16, but the age of consent for sodomy is 18. I think that’s the real inconsistency which exists. I don’t think there’s any basis for different ages of consent for vaginal and anal intercourse.

  12. SockPuppet says:

    Somehow Leon I do not think this is about bum sex.

  13. Bugger me (well, not really).

    Maybe not, but this thread does remind of of the related issue of differing ages of consent.

  14. gigdiary says:

    So is this post just about Ronnie Burns ‘Age of Consent’? I thought it might be about the real issues at stake here…but seems it’s all legal beagle or not worth talking about…

  15. SockPuppet says:

    Well gigguy I did say this too: it also raises the issue of how the hell do girls know at 14 or 15 or even younger that they are really lesbian? Could it be they are just following social trends of ‘gay is okay and its cool to be one’ and are getting led astray and laid by older lesos at there schools?, which I think is what you are getting at.

  16. SockPuppet says:

    BTW I would not “bugger” you Leon. You are not my type.

  17. SockPuppet says:

    I cannot believe this story is still running. I blame The Age. Now they reckon there ‘big story’ on the lesos has ‘Gone Global’.

    Givemeafrigginbreak.

    I have also read somewhere that the principal told Hannah (you know the leso who is over the age of consent) that she could bring a leso girlfriend if the leso is in Year 11 not Year 10 like undrerage 15 yearold Savannah is. Because it is only a function for Year 11 girls not Year 10 ones.

    And if Savannah had not been at the same school she would not have been banned as the school would not then know her age or year level.

    So what is all the freakin fuss about?

    And why hasnt someone other than yours truly raised the real question here? The Vexed one. The one about whether an older leso student should have sex with a younger underage leso student?

    I am not saying that Hannah & Savannah (which sounds more like a freakin leso TV show) were/are actaually having leso sex but they sure dont mind hamming it up for the cameras and they do look pretty, um, close.

    Why doesnt The Age say something about that? Its not like they dont have any real nasty journalists working for them. Where is xx xxxxxxxx when you need her?

  18. fyfee says:

    SockPuppet, why does it so concern you whether girls are “truly” lesbian (your term ‘lesos’ does very little for the gravity of your argument, incidentally) or not?
    Is it just teenage dating that bothers you? It doesn’t seem that way, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
    It is very sweet of you to be concerned on behalf of teenage girls everywhere that they may be actually bisexuality not homosexual, or that homosexuality is just a phase. But I am sure it will bring you great relief to hear that actually, that doesn’t matter at all.
    Here are some scenarios for you:

    – A girl will have a girlfriend or a female sexual partner, or maybe just fantasises about one. Then they will break up, because she realises she is no longer attracted to that partner/another reason. Then she will get a boyfriend. (this is the girl who “outgrows” her sexuality)
    – A girl will have a girlfriend or a female sexual partner, or maybe just fantasises about one. Then they will break up, because she realises she is no longer attracted to that partner/another reason. Then she will get another girlfriend. (this is the girl who you define a “true” lesbian)
    – A girl will have a boyfriend or a male sexual partner, or maybe just fantasises about one. Then they will break up, because she realises she is no longer attracted to that partner/another reason. Then she will get another boyfriend. (this is the girl who is heterosexual)

    SockPuppet, I have great news. You can put aside your concern, because in all likelihood the problems developed by those girls as a result of their relationship will probably have more to do with the temperament and quality of their various partners, rather than their gender.

    There, don’t we all feel better?

  19. SockPuppet says:

    Fyfee thank you so much for your amazing insights … but I think we already knew all that. I am not “concerned” with lesos or teenage dating in general and using “lesos” does not change my centre of gravity as I am not actually arguing anything. I am asking the obvious question here. And you are avoiding it.

    Is it okay that a minor (a 15 year old) has sex with an older girl? You see, apparently, (according to the law) people over the age of consent who have sex with minors is what is called pedophiles.

    That is the vexed question that is being ignored here.

  20. Kim says:

    Is it okay that a minor (a 15 year old) has sex with an older girl? You see, apparently, (according to the law) people over the age of consent who have sex with minors is what is called pedophiles. That is the vexed question that is being ignored here.

    It’s not being ignored, you just don’t know what you’re talking about. There is leeway of two years in Victoria for sexual activity between teenagers, in other words, a 17yo can have sex with a 15yo but not a 14yo. The age of consent among teenagers is not concreted at 16, otherwise the police would never be out of the schools. Try reading the legislation before implying that this girl is a pedophile, which is plainly ridiculous.

    And as mentioned before, there is no evidence that they are having sex anyway. That is just your extremely vivid (and probably hopeful) imagination.

    Kim

  21. gigdiary says:

    I’ll answer the vexed question. It is. If it were an older boy and a fifteen year old girl it would be. For some reason people ignore the law when it’s two girls. Maybe they think it’s cute. Or cool. Or 21st Century. Or…

  22. SockPuppet says:

    Kim, there is no need for insults. I have just asked the question and as you can see by GigGuys comment above we have conflicting answers. You say its perfectly legal for a 16 or 17 yearold to bonk a 15 yearold. Well I cannot find the legislation that supports you but seeing as though you are so sure of your facts maybe you should support them with a link to the law that says so? Politely.

  23. fyfee says:

    SockPuppet,
    Apologies, I mistook this post of gigdiary’s:
    Perhaps you should follow up on these two young girls in a few years…see if they’re still ‘committed’ lesbians…
    for yours.
    I googled ‘sex age in Victoria’.
    Got to the Victorian Government ‘Legal Aid’ website

    “Ten to 15 years old

    If you are 10 to 15, a person can’t have sex with you, touch you sexually or perform a sexual act in front of you if they are more than two years older than you, even if you agree.

    However, it is not an offence if the person honestly believed that there was less than a two-year age difference between you. For example, if a person is 17 and has sex with someone who is 15, it is not a crime. But if the person was 18, it is a crime unless the person believed the person was 16.”

    from http://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/745.htm

    So that conclusively proves Kim to be correct, and gigdiary to be incorrect.

  24. SockPuppet says:

    Thank you fyfee. It is a vexed issue and while it is now clear that a 16 yearold can in fact legally bonk a 15 yearold (male or female) I would still suggest there might be cases of underage scholgirls being led into lesbian sex with older students (more than 2 years older) because it is ‘trendy’ and that these cases are going ignored. More so than with blokes because lets face it blokes of that age are just not that appealling.

  25. Kim says:

    Now that fyfee has kindly provided a link that shows I am right, perhaps you can retract your stupid comments that this girl is a pedophile and admit that you were wrong. Politely.

    Kim

  26. SockPuppet says:

    Dont be so precious Kimby, I did not make any accusations about her. My question was a serious & general one concerning the vexed question of underage lesbian sex. It was not about the ‘Hannah & Savannah’ show who are barely legal but legal even though one is underage.

    And if you scroll up you will see that I invited you & others to set the record straight (hint, I said this: “You are welcome to stand me corrected …”) so how can I admit I was wrong when I said I did not know for sure in the first place?

    No worries. At least it gave you a chance for a nice topical debate. Cheers.

  27. gigdiary says:

    Well it seems I was wrong, Socky. Missed by a few months. That makes all the difference apparently. I wonder how they prove if underage kids are having sex, especially female couples?

    On the other hand, it seems no-one wants to answer the other part of your vexed question. Is it trendy? Is it the new relationship? Are youngsters being influenced by all the pro-homosexual hype? The percentage of homosexuals is less than 10%. Why are kids being encouraged, by the media and the twitterati to accept this as the preferred side of the coin? It’s not the flip side, it’s 10%.

  28. Kim says:

    I am not being “precious” when I take offence at some clown who doesn’t even have the balls to post in his own name speculating about a teenage girl, using her real name, suggesting she is having “leso sex” with another teenager girl (when there is no evidence to suggest this) and then implies that she is breaking the law and she is a pedophile.

    Perhaps if you had a daughter of your own you’d have more respect for young girls than to write this kind of crap. But that’s unlikely, I’d be surprised if you’ve even had sex.

    Why don’t you grow up and get a life.

  29. gigdiary says:

    Kim, oh come on, a teenage couple not having sex, at that age. Maybe born again Christians, but even in my day by fifteen a good percentage were doing the deed. And nothing wrong with that. These two go on national media, approach the courts and you reckon they’re just playing ‘handies’ under the desk.

  30. gigdiary says:

    By the way, when does lesbian fooling around become lesbian sex?

  31. Iain Hall says:

    Kim
    Take a chill pill please.
    Socky is entitled to offer any opinion he pleases just as you are.
    As long as the issue that this girl is making a fuss about her sexuality then the precise nature of that sexuality becomes a most legitimate topic of discussion and that is what we have been having here, a discussion that has been looking at the nuts and bolts of the issue , like the age of consent and the nature of emergent sexuality.

    Oh and before you ask I do have a daughter.

  32. Iain Hall says:

    That is a very good question G D!!
    Perhaps Kim would care to enlighten us with a definition 😉

  33. Kim says:

    Yes I do. Not that it is any of your business to ask, since I’m not the once hosting blog posts speculating about whether teenaged girls are having sex and/or breaking the law. And your mate “Socky” is a coward for not putting his views under his real name.

    The girls are not “making a fuss”, they are taking a stand against prejudice in their school. I wonder do you think that feminists in the 70s were “making a fuss”? Was Martin Luther King “making a fuss”? Were the Jews who protested against the Nazis in the 30s “making a fuss”? No, no and no. They are trying to get their voices heard and that is fair enough. They deserve more respect than some creep with a pig icon posting his fantasies and calling one of them a pedophile.

  34. SockPuppet says:

    You make a lot of presumptions “Kim” and you sound a bit angry. I dunno why. As GigGuy & Iain point out this topic is also about the trend of lesobianism that has reared its head among young girls as a trendy thing to do. As for ‘Havannah & Savannah’ I did not imply they were having sex … they did!

  35. Kim says:

    gigdiary, whether or not they are having sex is irrelevant to this issue, which is about same sex relationships. You can be a couple without having intercourse. It’s strange that “Sockpuppet” and now you believe that they are having a full-on sexual encounter. Perhaps that’s what you both want to believe.

  36. Iain Hall says:

    Kim

    Yes I do.

    You do what?

    Not that it is any of your business to ask, since I’m not the once hosting blog posts speculating about whether teenaged girls are having sex and/or breaking the law. And your mate “Socky” is a coward for not putting his views under his real name.

    As you suggest Socky is my mate and I know who he is but I respect his desire to write under a pseudonym just as I respect your desire to post under one. So don’t make personal identity the issue here and I won’t make your identity an issue either.

    The girls are not “making a fuss”, they are taking a stand against prejudice in their school.

    With respect that is bollocks reports suggest that the school is actually rather accommodating and dare I say it “progressive” about the sexuality of its students. There are ways of addressing an issues that may arise that do not include making a splash in the media.

    I wonder do you think that feminists in the 70s were “making a fuss”?

    I’m old enough to remember the seventies I doubt that you are.

    Was Martin Luther King “making a fuss”?

    No he was having a dream

    Were the Jews who protested against the Nazis in the 30s “making a fuss”?

    Have you heard of “Godwin’s law?

    They are trying to get their voices heard and that is fair enough.

    Yes but they had real issues to argue for these girls are making a big fuss about nothing of substance

    They deserve more respect than some creep with a pig icon posting his fantasies and calling one of them a pedophile(sic).

    If you put yourself out there in the public domain and it has consequences, some of which are not what you expect, I suggest you learn to deal with that. But for the record Socky was not suggesting that anyone is a paedophile he is saying that one of them is under the age of consent.

  37. SockPuppet says:

    What Iain said pretty much “Kim”.

    You sure are overreacting and I wonder why you dont post under your real name either seeing as though you make such a big deal about it.

    For the record (well its already on the record if you care to reread my post) I did not say lesos should not be allowed to bring lesos to the school ball. And neither did the Principal. The problem here was that Hannah wanted to bring a year 10 girl (from the same school) to a year 11 function and that was not on. If you dont get that and if you think silly Hannah & Savannah are making some kind of ‘statement’ here about gay rights then you are as young , misguided, petulant and foolish as they are.

    For Christ’s sake, these two even went on ACA – that alone should tell you it’s a beat up.

    Go chill out girl. If you are a girl.

  38. SockPuppet says:

    Oh I see “Kim” is using proxy servers to hide “her” identity. What a hypocrite.

  39. Kim says:

    What a pair of losers you two are. I have nothing more to add.

  40. gigdiary says:

    Kim, it is highly offensive of you to compare this stoush between the school and two teenagers to Nazism or Martin Luther King’s situation. These are teenage girls. Please reread my earlier comment. They need to be told no! Of course this is not popular today amongst left wing educators. Teenagers have rights, I hear you say! Yes they do. They have the right to be supported by parents who provide food, shelter and education. They don’t have the right to assume authority or claim over and above that.

    So, you reckon even though their ‘relationship’ is recognised by the school, the fact that they can’t attend a school formal is reason enough for them to call the media, change schools and jeopardise the older girl’s last year at high school?

    That sounds like focusing on the here and now, which is what teenagers do. It also sounds like a parent who hasn’t the guts to step in and say no!

    We need to stop pandering to not only minorities, but also to minors who now consider themselves beyond the reach of discipline and common sense. The world is not yet their oyster. When they prove themselves as young adults, then perhaps they can take their anti-discrimination claims to the court. In the meantime, they and their milquetoast parents are pissing in the wind.

  41. SockPuppet says:

    “I have nothing more to add.”

    Kim, you didnt “add” anything in the first place … except for some pretty bad manners.

  42. Elizabeth says:

    How ignorant can you be?

    Did you know you were straight at 14-15? Were you attracted members of the opposite sex at that age?

    Being gay isnt a choice you make, it’s something that you are, period. So just as you knew that you were straight as a teenager, even in the first flushes of being physically attracted to the opposite sex, they began being attracted to what was natural to them… the same sex.

    Ask yourself if YOU would have decided to go out with someone the opposite sex at such a young age just because it was trendy if it was not something that you were interested in? I would safely say that no, you wouldn’t.

    Being gay isn’t COOL these days, its just that it is talked about more, a sign of a tolerant society that clearly you are not a part of.

  43. Iain Hall says:

    Elizabeth
    Firstly welcome to the Sandpit I welcome all kinds of opinions here.

    How ignorant can you be?

    I don’t know perhaps you can tell us 😉

    Did you know you were straight at 14-15? Were you attracted members of the opposite sex at that age?

    Yes and yes

    Being gay isnt a choice you make, it’s something that you are, period. So just as you knew that you were straight as a teenager, even in the first flushes of being physically attracted to the opposite sex, they began being attracted to what was natural to them… the same sex.

    For some individuals that is certainly true but there are plenty of people who are rather less firmly set on the spectrum of sexuality. You clearly want to believe that being Gay is entirely natural. It may well be but it certainly is not an either or situation for many people

    Ask yourself if YOU would have decided to go out with someone the opposite sex at such a young age just because it was trendy if it was not something that you were interested in? I would safely say that no, you wouldn’t.

    You just can’t be that definitive about why any young person does anything in terms of their social interactions

    Being gay isn’t COOL these days, its just that it is talked about more, a sign of a tolerant society that clearly you are not a part of.

    I’m not the author of this piece (that is Socky) but I think that he would agree with me that adults are entitled to fuck any other consenting adult no matter what their genders may be. This thread has explored the issue of consent and several other issues but the one thing that no one has done is vilify the girls because they want to bat for the other team. It seems to me that you want approval for these girls and the fuss that they have made, well I would argue that you don’t have to approve of the the fuss to tolerate their sexuality.

  44. gigdiary says:

    Re this tolerant society that Elizabeth reckons we aren’t part of, well, the only thing they don’t tolerate is people who disagree with them.

  45. gigdiary says:

    BTW I’m still waiting for an answer about when lesbian sex takes over from lesbian fooling around…

  46. SockPuppet says:

    What is it you are angry about Elizabeth? About being gay – which no one here has condemned – or about my daring to ask the cutting-edge & vexed question of whether some young under-the-age-of-consent girls might be led astray into lesobianism by older girls?

    You seem to be saying that environment & peer pressure play no part in teenage behaviour & sexual choice. But they do.

  47. Elizabeth says:

    Firstly I am not gay.
    Secondly I find it very hard to believe that someone can be ‘led’ into a lifestyle choice that involved being homosexual unless it was something they were interested in or curious about in the first place, in which case they shoul be allowed to try it out if it helps them
    discover who they really are.
    Thirdly, no one says these girls are having sex. I know I dated 16 or 17 year olds when I was 15 and we didn’t have sex so these girls aren’t necessarily breaking any laws. I strongly believe in the age of consent for all sexualities but there is nothing that says these girls are breaking it.

  48. SockPuppet says:

    Elizabeth I was not saying you are gay I was asking if you were angry that this topic is talking about “being gay” when we have not knocked gayness in people only questioned whether *some* young lesbians are really lesbians or doing lesbianism because of social trends.

    Your belief that young people cannot be influenced by there peers in sexual choice and that they can be gay without having sex is perplexing . The two girls with the rhyming names have both said they are in a same sex relationship and while that itself does not mean they are having sex they have also said they are being discriminated against because of their sexual orientation.

    Now you can try to correct and contradict me if you like but I think what defines being gay, a lesbian, being in a same sex relationship and having a lesbian sexual orientation is actually having gay sex of some description that goes beyond holding hands, hugging & kissing.

    How else would you know you are gay and that you have a gay sexual orientation if you have not tried it?

    You see I live in the real world and I know that young people ARE influenced in many ways by there peers and dabbling lesobianism might well be one of them.

    So the original point of this post remains which is that there seems to be a grey area of the law that would let older leso students have sex with minors on the pretense that its just a sexual orientation not real sex.

  49. Elizabeth says:

    So you didn’t know you were straight until you had sex then?

  50. SockPuppet says:

    That is not what I said Elizabeth and you are using what is called a strawman/woman argument here. You know where you split straws on one little point and use it to try to prove the other person wrong.

    You were the one saying young underage girls (that is, minors) who get into leso relationships with older girls must be that way inclined in the first place. I am saying that they probably do not know for sure if they are gay or not and that they CAN be influenced by what is called peer pressure and social trends that gay is okay.

    You are still avoiding the issue of underage minor girls having leso sex when they may not be really that way inclined. This is okay by you?

  51. SockPuppet says:

    Well I will buttered on both sides. It looks like I was right that you cannot have sex with underage kids after all. Not in West australia. Hannah is lucky shes a Vic.

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/8355775/parents-warned-as-boy-convicted-over-sex-video/

    Police charged three older boys, aged 15 and 16, with sexual penetration of a child over 13 and under 16 after a teenage get-together on August 27.

    The girl was 14.

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