Source: The Australian
The other very long “claims of persecution” thread produced an intense debate and one that is quite transplantable from the microcosm of a blog like the Sandpit to the community at large no matter which side of the argument you are on there are plenty of people who have a similar opinion out there in the community . The piece I cite today from the OZ points out that one reason that those who have got here will remain in detention for a long period of time (besides the Labor party’s cowardly “processing freeze”) is that there is a distinct lack of people to review claims for asylum that have been denied and on top of that ASIO are unable to complete the security reviews in a timely manner as part of decision making process either.
Add to that the clear reluctance of the government to forcefully deport those who are deemed not to be legitimate refugees or those who fail a security test and you have a very good understanding of just why we are running out of space to house the boat people detained under the regime of Brother Number One and the Anointed one.
So my questions for today are how long should it take to decide the legitimacy of the asylum claims and if those claims are denied how long should it be before the failed claimants are deported?
Cheers Comrades
Iain Hall's SANDPIT 
“how long should it take to decide the legitimacy of the asylum claims and if those claims are denied how long should it be before the failed claimants are deported?”
I dunno. How long did it take under Howard?
The problem, as under Howard, is that many of these people have no bonafides. For one reason or another, (often deliberate) the whereabouts or veracity of their identity papers and therefore country of origin are not varifiable.
Of course this cases a number of problems not the least of which being that you can’t deport someone to an unknown destination and no country in the world wants to take displaced people with no varified nationality.
Then there’s the problem of the queue. The bloke (or lass) who’s job it is to decide what to do with refugee A can’t decide what to do with refugee B if he’s busting his keester to just find out the identity of refugee A for 6 months.
That’s no less true now than it was under Howard except that the current gument have laid out a welcome mat and caused a spike in attempts to get here.
Maybe there is some property portfolio feathering going on there too, though I find it a little less than savoury for people to be hoping that refugees will risk their lives simply so that their silvertail might become a golden one.
That’s just sick.
HJ, there you go again, putting a barb in your comment directed at me. It was joke, you joker.
And you wonder why:
a) No one likes you
b) No one will debate you
c) All you cop is backhanders
You goose.
Ray
I don’t wonder any of that.
a) I don’t care that you don’t like me. Unlike you I have real friends in the real world. I, like you, live in a country community where I am not hated and attacked by those within my community. Nobody writes letters to the local papers about me Ray. I realise that you don’t share quite the standing in your neighbourhood as I do, and that therefore you need to come to the internet and have people LIKE you, but I don’t. YOU don’t like me because you know that from day 2 I pwn your sorry arse.
b) YOU won’t debate me because YOU can’t argue with any point I make here and YOU have no other option than to move to c)
c) See b)
Think I’m wrong?
Debate the points made above. Otherwise you simply confirm the thesis.
Have a nice day.
What letters to the local paper? You are deluded in more ways than one, HJ. No, I won’t debate you because you can’t resist the urge to personalise everything. If you disagree with what I say you then turn it into an attack on my character, like you just did above. And you do it from the coward’s position of anonymity. In the words of many others … you can go and f*ck yourself.
“What letters to the local paper?”
Who’s Wal Willow again?
I’m personalising things Ray?
That’s a tad rich from a bloke that says other’s who happen not to agree with him and happen to be able to articulate their points in a superior manner than he are in the corner pulling their pud or throwing their dinner and breakfast at the walls.
For two days now, and well into the morning this morning (have you no life) you have been doing nothing save tossing insults at people with whom you have a political difference. Not little barbs or snides, but offensive and very personal insults.
But you stand on your moral high ground Ray.
Nobody ever changed his opinion as a result of losing an argument.
I read a transcript of an interview on the ABC recently where they had done a study (And this will interest you Ray in particular) where they gave people irrefutable (but deliberately wrong) data and asked them to form an opinion on that data.
They then got others to argue with them and those others were in posession of the correct data and could varify that correct data. In other words those original opinions were totally deconstructed and the argument was comprensively won.
The subjects were then asked to restate their original opinions and in the vast majority theose opinions were not changed and in a minority of those cases the opinions were MORE strongly held. Despite losing the argument.
Further to that when the opinions were again scrutinised and the arguments against were overwealmingly proven, the opinion holders decended into personal ABUSE and adhominem.
Plant your flag in the high moral ground Ray.
I’m going to f right off and you’ll not need to engage me again except by your own choice.
Cheerio.
In answer to your questions Iain.
1. Quickly
2. Quickly
Agreed, but they don’t make it easy Craig do they?
No, the alias Wal did not write letters to the paper. He’s an alias, HJ – you know, someone who can’t really be insulted himself but who likes to slander and snipe at real identities.
As for the rest of your tripe it takes very little of my time to respond to your rubbish and I only ever descend to your level to give you a taste of your own medicine. And for fun.
Your whole M.O. is to pick fights and to highly personalise your arguments. You particularly like to slag off at those who post (unlike you do) under their real names. You even go to the extent of trawling my blog and introducing irrelevant snippets from there to label me a hypocrite. And then you st*lk me with abusive and unwanted emails.
You are an Internet pest and you border on being the type of person who could be charged for your online activities in my opinion.
I just hope the words “I’m going to f right off” mean you won’t be back.
(Sorry for derailing your thread, Iain, but hey, you gotta admit this bloke is a bit on the thick & nasty side)
My case is closed.
Point proven.
Exhibit Ray.
(That’s funny.)
‘Course I didn’t google you Ray and I didn’t pop your IP address into DNS stuff to find out it was behind a proxy.
I prefer to keep my anonymity for those I trust because I know that there are people like you and the grods mob out there.
I mean you’re so out of control with your abuse at this point that I’m bloody glad you don’t know who I am. I’ve seen what you do to those you merely SUSPECT you’ve identified. God knows what you might do if you knew where I worked, lived or who I associated with.
I’m not in it to big note like you so I’m not looking for that type of attention..
Ok so I piss off those who I don’t agree with, but that’s a function of not agreeing with them. There’s one thing we on the right know for certain and that’s that when the lefty’s moral bankruptcy is exposed, then they’ll more than likely EXPLODE.
You’re a case in point. A couple of baby bumps to the ribs and a lot of argument shredding and you’ve decended to ofeencive personal insults. I’ve never insulted you in those type of terms Ray, but you appear to need to do that because you’ve had your point of view so completely stripped to the bone.
And it’s not just by me Ray. You used vile offensive language against Len yesterday and Abbott a few weeks ago. Even admitting that if Abbott was here comenting you would refrain from that kind of vile offensive abuse.
Yet you take the high moral ground and plant your flag there.
Makes you feel good I suppose and all the best to ya for it.
Water off a ducks back to me, but you’re exposing yourself day after day as the quintisential lefty.
Now
I made some points in comment 2 above. You might like to address those.
Or not.
Cheers.
HJ, I am not the slightest bit interested in who you are , and I only know you use a proxy server because you posted comments @ my blog and the server shows up on the WordPress email I receive.
Don’t flatter yourself. You are not someone I’d go to the trouble of exposing, even if I were into that sort of thing (Wal being the obvious & justifiable exemption).
Vile offensive language against Len? Insults to you? You’re an alias and yet you still can’t handle it when I pay you back with a reference to your in-the-corner masturbation (which is effectively what you do here).
The reason you lace your comments with invective & insults is because your arguments are weak. BUT, if you want to reform, I’ll debate your points on any issue (non-personal ones, that is) but somehow I doubt you will.
So kindly piss off and leave me alone, you st*lker.
You are interested Ray because you, in an attempt to intimidate me, made a comment about who you thought I might be in an email you sent me. You got that information from a website you googled.
You are simply repeating your insults here Ray. It’s all you have.
Enough said.
Cheers.
In an attempt to make you stop st*lking & harassing me, yes I did Google your name and found that website. So what? I once got an abusive email from a Sophie Mirabella staffer. I googled his name too. I will Google the names of any and all unsolicited emails I receive from the wide range of nutjobs out there. You never know if it might eventually become necessary to hand that info to the cops. You went close.
Now ffs, let’s leave it at that.
God Dixon you belittling someone else now ?
Who died and made you God.
Ever heard of the word “humility” ?
Just read the whole thread, and the 1248 comment by God, is the greatest piece of accurate self analysis I have ever seen. Talking about describing oneself, right down to the toenails. Nice one Ray. Self pwned !
Len, take a scroll back to the top and see where it started. HJ goes looking for fights, there is no doubt about that. You don’t, I’ll give you that. You just over-react. You & I have our moments but at least we pull back now & then and behave respectfully to each other. I may not be as “humble” as you like but HJ doesn’t know the meaning of the word “respect”. And “manners”. And “enough”.
Which comment, Len? Please explain. And don’t do HJ’s bidding for him, okay? You’re just escalating things.
Oh, you mean the one @ 12.48. You left out the dot.
How the hell is that self pwning? Bugger off Len, you’re just adding fuel. Unnecessarily.
Read it for yourself Ray. I understood. What, you don’t even know what you wrote ?
Wow, that’s sad, and a real worry.
I will not be told by you, how and when to do anything. You are not that a significant part of my life, so take a short walk of a long pier you troll.
I will always defend anyone that is confronted with such a full on bloody nutter as yourself. The days of “free hits” attempting to assassinate anyone that disagrees with you are bloody over kiddo. You want to behave like that, do it on your own failed blog, or wherever, but not on this one. Trolling blogs everyday, and all day, you have lost any semblance of humanity, not that you had much to begin with. Business running that bad ?
and the dot makes all the difference ? need I say more ?
I would not be so presumptuous as to tell you not to comment here @ Iain’s blog, Len. Unlike you just did to me. My “bugger off” meant this: don’t come in and start insulting me without provocation on this thread. Which is exactly what you did. Now bugger off.
Len
Let it have the last word.
Thrills it.
Don’t cry the innocent little girl here Ray.
Your insulting of nearly everyone on this blog over the last months (at least the time that I have been here), has been unrelenting, and vicious.
Time to learn how to play with others.
Perhaps, maybe, just a few manners might do for a start ?
Where were you brought up, on the bloody docks ?
HJ
Not bloody likely.
He wants to sling ‘it’, I’ll sling ‘it’ right back. With interest.
Time he learned how to play ‘nice’.
The cult of Ray Dixon is over.
Len, in short: Your comments on this thread are plain stupid. You sound like a cry baby. Here’s a tip:
1. Go stand in front of your mirror (scrape off the breakfast you threw at it first).
2. What do you see?
3. You see a person known to you – and you alone.
You see, Len, you are (for all intents & purposes) anonymous here. No one knows (or cares) who you are. So stop getting upset about being “belittled”, as you put it.
When you have the gumption & kahunas to comment under your real name, with a link back to your own blog that details precisely who you are, then perhaps I’ll stop calling you for the fool that you are.
Same goes for HJ.
Take that, you miscreants.
Ah, there it is. I have my photo on the comment, aren’t I Mr Wonderful ?
The mirror ? What do I see ?
Hmm,
someone who spends time other than troll blogs, showing my indifference the human nature.
someone who is honest enough to admit that they don’t know everything
someone who realises that everybody’s opinion is valid, as is my own
someone who doesn’t point their ugly little snouts down on everybody.
someone who doesn’t spend their days trolling blogs for kicks.
Lastly, I see you Ray. All the personality traits, that I am loathe to want to learn. You are indeed a fine example, in what not to do.
et al, ffs where do I stop ?
I am commenting under my own name loser. Again, for about the upteenth time, Iain knows who I am, where I am, and where I can be contacted. If he chooses to make that public, I would rather he didn’t, but his choice. The reason for that decision, well, one nutter named Ray Dixon is the prime one, and would push anyone to anonymity.
Doesn’t make the decision all that difficult.
I put my last name for you there sunshine, but it is caught in the moderation filter.
Suffer, hopefully in silence, but somehow I doubt it.
Save Iain troubling himself with the moderation bin. A cut and paste preceded by my name Len Saxby. Happy phone book hopping. It’s a silent number. Everyone on the island here, knows who I am. Owning a private airstrip, and three aircraft sort of prohibits anonymity.
Ah, there it is. “I have my photo on the comment, aren’t I Mr Wonderful ?”
The mirror ? What do I see ?
Hmm,
* someone who spends time other than trolling blogs, showing my indifference to human nature.
* someone who is honest enough to admit that they don’t know everything
* someone who realises that everybody’s opinion is valid, as is my own
* someone who doesn’t point their ugly little snouts down on everybody.
* someone who admits that occasionally they are wrong.
oh ffs where do I stop ?
Lastly, I see you Ray. All the personality traits, that I am loathe to want to learn. You are indeed a fine example, in what not to do.
I am commenting under my own name loser. Again, for about the upteenth time, Iain knows who I am, where I am, and where I can be contacted. If he chooses to make that public, I would rather he didn’t, but his choice. The reason for that decision, well, one nutter named Ray Dixon is the prime one, and would push anyone to anonymity.
Doesn’t make the decision all that difficult.
You can put whatever “last name” you like, “Len”, but you remain essentially anonymous. So harden up.
Why don’t you get your comments in order, Len, so I don’t have to respond twice?
Anyway, the fact is that even if that is your real name (and I doubt it) no one – repeat no one – reading this really knows who you are. And as you don’t comment under that name anyway, you can’t claim any high ground. And you are an idiot to carry on like you do when you are “put down”, as you so often beg to be.
You can take your characterisation of me and your insults and shove them. I don’t attack your character, slander your blog and run down your business. What I say here remains in this context. What you say about me is much wider than that.
harden up ? wtf ?
Try growing up sunshine.
Like hell you don’t. In your case, pretty hard to argue with you, someone with a history of complete failure
You character assassinate, (at least woefully attempt to), everyone that doesn’t agree with you. Your a control freak, and at that, a successful and illustrious failure.
You don’t put me down Ray, your a laugh. Just goes to show, how much of a failure you are. I think antagonist is the term that rings true.
You are a shining light, to point to all and sundry, what character traits NOT to adopt.
Revel in your success ! Perhaps that should read failure ?
You’re throwing your dinner around again, Len. Calm the f — down.
The reason for that decision, well, one nutter named Ray Dixon is the prime one, and would push anyone to anonymity.
Len, your decision to remain anonymous was made from the outset and had nothing to do with me. That’s your right (to remain anonymous) but it also carries an obligation – not to abuse that position. And you do.