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Honda Insight 1.3 IMA SE Hybrid

Honda Insight 1.3 IMA SE Hybrid

But I cannot see how making a car with two motors costs the same in terms of resources as making a car with one.

The nickel for the battery has to come from somewhere. Canada, usually. It has to be shipped to Japan, not on a sailing boat, I presume. And then it must be converted, not in a tree house, into a battery, and then that battery must be transported, not on an ox cart, to the Insight production plant in Suzuka. And then the finished car has to be shipped, not by Thor Heyerdahl, to Britain, where it can be transported, not by wind, to the home of a man with a beard who thinks he’s doing the world a favour.

Do yourself a favour and read Clarkson’s revue of the Honda Insight 1.3 IMA SE Hybrid

It is a real hoot!

Cheers Comrades


20 Comments

  1. Craigy says:

    You and Clarkson may be right Iain – that a few deluded people buy these cars thinking that they are doing the right thing by the planet by reducing the CO2 output of their car.

    The reality of course is that they are not providing a total reduction in CO2 yet.

    What sensible people understand is that the development in alternative engines is a must, something that the car companies are on to, but backyard car builders like you refuse to accept (especially ones of the religious right -devoted to Guru Bolt and his faith of stupidity).

  2. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    When it comes to alternatives to an I.C.E. I think that hydrogen fuel cells are actually the way of the future
    As Clarkson points out in his own witty style if you are buying for pure economy there are better choices than this Hybrid.

  3. Shawn Whelan says:

    It’s snowing all over western Canada today.

    I think they should build themselves a CO2 machine.

    Batteries are no where near at a technology level to allow electric cars to compete.

    The problem with hydrogen is, where do you get the hydrogen from?

    Anyways, the Earth is cooling, the Arctic is increasing the ice cover and the economy is swan diving. Soon people will not concern themselves with the AGW fear tactics. We will likely have huge glaciers descending from the Arctic before PKD writes up his guest post on AGW.

  4. Craigy says:

    Shawn thinks the earth is cooling…..since 1998 or is it now 2002 Shawn……goose.

    It’s no wonder PKD can’t be bothered.

    Yep Iain, hydrogen shows promise – with the Honda trial going on as we have discussed before.

    The truth is that even the first ICE cars were unreliable, expensive and slow, but given about 30 years development, we got fast cheap transport.

    The big car manufactures are starting the development of this new technology to future proof their business. It’s not motivated by ‘green’ or leftist’ ideas but by the simple realities that people like Shawn fail to grasp. Thank goodness we don’t have people like him running major industry or we would still be in the stone age.

    BTW – good on you for not falling for my ‘Bolt’ baiting comment above…well done (just thought it was time for one…it’s been a while).

  5. Iain Hall says:

    BTW – good on you for not falling for my ‘Bolt’ baiting comment above…well done (just thought it was time for one…it’s been a while).

    Well having got that out of your system Craigy we can move on then 🙂

  6. Shawn Whelan says:

    I work in the auto industry Craigy. Unlike you dreamers that talk big and never actually do or produce anything. (or know what your talking about)

    If it is so easy to produce these electric cars why don’t the enviros get cracking. Be useful for a change.

  7. Craigy says:

    “Well having got that out of your system Craigy we can move on then”

    Only when you move on from your lefty baiting Iain!.

    “I work in the auto industry Craigy”

    Selling Matchbox cars to small children doesn’t count wittle Shawny!

  8. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    I just tell it the way that I see it and if that gets up the noses of a few Lefties then tough!

  9. Shawn Whelan says:

    Selling Matchbox cars to small children doesn’t count wittle Shawny!

    That is likely the full extent of your technical knowledge about electric cars.

    What I would like to see is all you dingbats get together and actually do something. Now I do realize it is much easier to go on the internet and post rubbish about stuff you have not a clue about.

    The present system works like this.
    Some people go work very hard and produce things. They are the minority. The rest whine that they want this or that and the government should confiscate the money from the producers and give it to them for whatever is their latest hare brained scheme. Not likely to be a very successful long term stratgy.

  10. JM says:

    Iain

    Clarkson is right about the costs of shipping raw materials around the world to put them through high entropy and high carbon processes.

    But he’s wrong to single out cars for this (and hybrid cars alone at that). All cars suffer the same “tail” of carbon.

    But the real biggy is food. If you do into a supermarket these days it’s worthwhile taking a look at where a lot of the common-as-muck stuff comes from. Very often it is imported by could be (and often is) produced locally.

    It’s that type of mis-pricing – where the costs are not allocated correctly as the waste (CO2) is dumped free of charge into the atmosphere – that carbon pricing schemes (whether tax or cap-n-trade) address.

    They allocate the full cost of production – including waste – to the product and the activity that is the culprit. Once costs are fully allocated the market should take care of optimising the costs.

    Surely you’re not against the market economy?

  11. Iain Hall says:

    JM
    I have previously written about Grocery shopping because I do it every week for my family so I am very aware of the issues you raise and in fact I make a special effort to avoid buying any thing that is imported (as much as one can) and when it comes to fresh produce I out and out will not touch it unless it is “product of Australia”.

  12. Craigy says:

    Ah yes Iain, you like to get up people noses we know that, it’s just you are framing anyone you like as ‘teh left’ when people are not that black and white. In fact you have shown many ‘leftist’ tendencies yourself of late, and by your own admission, you did identify with the ideas of left for some of your life. I’m sure you wouldn’t think that for all those years you were ‘evil’.

    Shawn, I don’t know who you think you are lecturing to – in your boring rightist tone.

    FYI – I am working 7 days a week at the moment and will be for months. Real work, something a rightist keyboard warrior like yourself would curl up in a ball of hate covered in your own bile if confronted with.

    So go lecture your school friends.

  13. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    I do like to get up peoples noses but I try to be good humoured about it 🙂
    BTW it is those that I dislike that I characterise as being of teh Left 😀

  14. Shawn Whelan says:

    Shawn, I don’t know who you think you are lecturing to – in your boring rightist tone.

    Not lecturing, I was just pointing out you are going on about something where you have the same technical expertise as a thirteen year old school girl.

  15. PKD says:

    Bit like your own knowledge of AGW then Shawn, hey?

  16. PKD says:

    I work in the auto industry Craigy

    So Shawn, your a qualified Geology scientist – who works in the auto industry Shawn?

    Curiouser and curioser – one wonders what a car company could possibly need a geologist for…???

  17. JM says:

    Iain: “… when it comes to fresh produce I out and out will not touch it unless it is “product of Australia”

    But you’re building a car out of imported parts (engine, transmission etc)?

    The very activity that Clarkson is going on about?

  18. Iain Hall says:

    JM
    I am doing precisely what you greenies advocate which is to recycle and repair and reuse because what I started out with was this:

    Now had I cast the engine parts ect afresh you argument would be valid But I didn’t so I added very little new energy to create my car.

  19. JM says:

    Well that’s a good point Iain and kudos to you personally, I thought by focussing on vegetables you were eliding my criticism of Clarkson’s selectiveness ie. he gives petrol driven cars a pass for the same sins.

    That sort of selectiveness is what is usually referred to as hypocrisy, not the it’s-not-perfect-but-I-do-what-I-can actions of people who make changes in their lives to reduce their carbon footprint.

    Pot-kettle-black (to Clarkson)

  20. Iain Hall says:

    Thanks for that JM
    I don’t agree with all of Clarkson’s pronouncements but I do love the audacity of his stuff, remember he is an entertainer first and foremost and often hilarious especially when he takes the piss out of the sort of people who are the target market for this sorts of cor.

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