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” Hamas terror: every Jewish child now a target”

I just have to ask the question: what person with any morality can support an organisation that now claims that children are legitimate targets in a time of war?

HAMAS leader Mahmoud Zahar has warned that Jewish children are now legitimate targets, in a bloodcurdling precursor to tanks rolling into the Islamic militant stronghold of Khan Younis yesterday.

Zahar’s threat of retaliation, in his first comments since the Israeli campaign began 11 days ago, came before tanks, firing cannons and machineguns and supported by helicopter gunships, moved into the city in the southern Gaza Strip.

It is a terrible and regrettable thing that any children should be killed in a war but to deliberately set out to do just that is a war crime and anyone supporting Hamas is just as guilty as they are.I look forward to the left finding excuses for this utterly despicable move from Hamas, I’m sure I won’t have to wait for very long.

Disgusted Comrades


  1. Shawn Whelan says:

    Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood which sprang from the Nazi’s in the 1920’s. Their one and only aim is to end the existence of Israel.

    “Moral clarity in Gaza

    By Charles Krauthammer

    That is the asymmetry of means between Hamas and Israel. But there is equal clarity regarding the asymmetry of ends. Israel has but a single objective in Gaza — peace: the calm, open, normal relations it offered Gaza when it withdrew in 2005. Doing something never done by the Turkish, British, Egyptian and Jordanian rulers of Palestine, the Israelis gave the Palestinians their first sovereign territory ever in Gaza.

    What ensued? This is not ancient history. Did the Palestinians begin building the state that is supposedly their great national aim? No. No roads, no industry, no courts, no civil society at all. The flourishing greenhouses that Israel left behind for the Palestinians were destroyed and abandoned. Instead, Gaza’s Iranian-sponsored rulers have devoted all their resources to turning it into a terror base — importing weapons, training terrorists, building tunnels with which to kidnap Israelis on the other side. And of course firing rockets unceasingly.

    The grievance? It cannot be occupation, military control or settlers. They were all removed in September 2005. There’s only one grievance and Hamas is open about it. Israel’s very existence.

    Nor does Hamas conceal its strategy. Provoke conflict. Wait for the inevitable civilian casualties. Bring down the world’s opprobrium on Israel. Force it into an untenable cease-fire — exactly as happened in Lebanon. Then, as in Lebanon, rearm, rebuild and mobilize for the next round. Perpetual war. Since its raison d’etre is the eradication of Israel, there are only two possible outcomes: the defeat of Hamas or the extinction of Israel. ”
    Moral clarity in Gaza

  2. beevo says:

    This issue brings a lot of emotion with it. Reports today of Israel bombing a school raised a lot of eyebrows and stirred a lot of angst but once I heard the whoIe story I was appalled at the lack of balance from the BBC reporters. It took a while for the story to touch on the fact (well it has happened before) that HAMAS has launched motars from the school and the Israelis retaliated. A bit of research (5 min!) from me showed this to be very common and well documented. There is a mountain of evidence. Do yourself a favour and look at it. As Iain says, it is policy to use human sheilds and no accident that they launch from schools. Hamas don’t hide this, they celebrate it. Have a look on Youtube (search: hamas human sheild) if you doubt it. There is very disturbing footage which confirms accusations that gunmen carry children in their arms for protection from fire as they run through the streets. I guess it is hard to give a balanced report when you cannot question the Hamas on-air but really there was no question or condemnation from the reporters of Hamas’ actions or strategy, just criticism of the Israelis attacking a school. I might have as well been listening to Al Jazeera! The building was being used as a shelter for displaced persons by the UN and apparently as a tactical military site by Hamas according to their practice. Lets share the blame here. The balance of casualties makes it look bad for Israel as they have caused more disproportionate death and destruction, no doubt. But in the harsh light of reason, there is no other way for them to fight this battle. This is how these two cultures have made war on each other for thousands of years. Israel has a mighty war machine and tendency to carry out what they say they will do. They have decided they will crush Hamas at any cost. The hamas have offered the palestinian populace up as human sacrifices and would continue to do so. This is a concept which the Israelis have a lot of history and experience and they have proven that world opinion means little to them. Equally, and just as unbelievable to us, Israel has a precedent set in their religious beliefs (Torah and old testament – look it up) to kill non-combatants by the tens of thousands. Hamas have chosen to use innocents as weapons where they could (and should) chose to protect them and respect the international conventions. Hamas have set the rules of engagement and Israel have accepted. Their role (Hamas) in this ongoing tradgedy needs to be highlighted equally with that of Israel. It will get worse before it gets better. A terrible price to pay but it now must work through to this logical conclusion, unless the rest of the (sane?) world decides to get involved and put a stop to it. I cannot see a lot of good coming from that can you? This is all the inevitable result of extremist lunacy on both sides.

  3. PKD says:

    Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood which sprang from the Nazi’s in the 1920’s.

    Probably why no lefty has come on then Iain as you were waiting for – according to Shawn here Hamas origins are out of the far right!!!

    Perhaps Keith or MK will come and stick up for them instead? They’re doing a grand job of apologies for the far-right BNP at the moment…

  4. Shawn Whelan says:

    Isn’t it telling that the leftards have once again chose to support the fascists and cheer on the destruction of the Jews?

    You no longer need to try to twist the truth about the National Socialists. You can see the actions of the left right before your eyes.

  5. Toaf says:

    Iain, have any of your “leftists” praised Hamas for this move yet? I haven’t heard any.

  6. Iain Hall says:

    I have seen enough of them make excuses for Hamas’ methodology for the lack of actual praise praise to be rather moot: the thread at Jeremy’s blog has a few .

  7. PKD says:

    In other words Damian – no he hasn’t. Obviously the lack of leftists here supporting Hamas means Iain is resorting now to shifting the goalposts to come up with some vague, ‘oh but theres some other leftists somewhere else who do’ to try and hide he wrong. Iain the reality is few leftists will outright support Hamas.

    On a separate note, whilst I support Israels actions in wanting to stop rockets being fired at them, I do find the new aim of regime change to have spectularly failed the lessons of Iraq from the US. I mean, Israel has yet to give any details of what they expect to replace Hamas with that will guarantee both Israeli security and a better future for Palestinians. And bombing the administration buildings isnt exactly going to help the next regime to govern – is it???

    What do you think?

  8. Toaf says:

    Not good enough, Iain. Why not just admit you’re wrong? Most of the lefties I know would agree with this point of view.

  9. Iain Hall says:

    Actually having reread my post Damian I draw yours (and PKD’s) attention to the fact that I said:

    It is a terrible and regrettable thing that any children should be killed in a war but to deliberately set out to do just that is a war crime and anyone supporting Hamas is just as guilty as they are.I look forward to the left
    finding excuses

    for this utterly despicable move from Hamas, I’m sure I won’t have to wait for very long.

    You should both take note that I did not say that I expected leftists to “praise Hamas” my expectation was that they would make excuses for their tactics and methodology. As a counter to your example I suggest that you peruse the comments in this thread from Jeremy’s blog or this one at LP

  10. Iain,

    You clearly stated that you expect to see the left finding excuses for Hamas regarding Jewish children as legitimate targets. Don’t try to back-pedal now by broadening it out to “their tactics and methodology” – the issue in this post was extremely clear. I look forward to your links to or quotations of such “excuses”.

    As a counter-point, here’s the statement on the issue from the most representative party of the left in Australia – Senator Sarah Hanson-Young says:

    This humanitarian crisis in Gaza is deepening as every hour passes. The international community must come together and criticise the increased violence in the region from both sides, including threats from Hamas to target Israeli children in retaliation, and promote the need for an urgent international peace operation.

  11. Iain Hall says:

    the tactics and methodology of Hamas’ rocket attacks upon Israel has been to fire their rockets at a time when the Israeli’s were taking their children to school in the morning and when they were trying to collect them in the afternoon for a very long time. The fact that they have clearly enunciated and admitted that they seek to kill children on purpose does not mark anything new apart from their candour. If you or anyone can come up with reasons to make excuses for their campaign in general then you are supporting it as a whole including their deliberate killing of children.
    have you seen the You tube clip of a Palestinian forcing a child to be a human shield? If you had you would not be so surprised at the number of children being killed in Gaza.

  12. Shawn Whelan says:

    Of course the left is behind the Hamas Fascists. One needs only read the world journalism to see that. Or watch the BBC.

  13. The left’s double standards when it comes to Israel never cease to amaze me. When you have you ever heard the left bitterly complain or hold rallies about the thousand of rockets launched into Israel? Yet when Israel defends herself by taking on the terrorists, the left immediately become outraged.

    Such double standards, particularly by the far left reveal anti-semitism.

    Check this article out for instance: http://www.sa.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1876&Itemid=125

  14. Actually, the article I cited does indeed make excuses for Hamas. Check out the following quote:

    “And yet we are told that the Palestinians, in particular those who have tried to defend the dignity of their people in this hell-hole, are the terrorists. The real terrorism in Gaza – the terrorism of the Israeli state – has been sanctioned, implicitly or explicitly, by the governments of almost every powerful nation in the world. “

  15. Shawn Whelan says:

    Israel wants nothing more than to live in peace. Hamas will accept nothing less than the end of Israel. And Europe supports this. The thirties and forties all over again.

  16. Leftards pwned once again.

    I’m on a roll this year.

  17. blah says:

    reading these comments, anyone would think there is no left wing in Israel.

    Shalom Akhshav http://www.peacenow.org.il/site/en/homepage.asp?pi=25
    Gush Shalom http://zope.gush-shalom.org/index_en.html

    If you left Hamas and the radical left in a room together they would kill each other.

  18. Iain Hall says:

    Welcome to my blog Blah and I don’t doubt that there is a left wing presence in Israel, or that they would detest Hamas, the problem is with the soft headed leftists everywhere else in the world who refuse to see that anything done by Hamas is of any consequence.

  19. blah says:

    I agree that the left can often be useless in who they denounce and for what reason. I think to call the left anti-Semitic is rediculous – anti-Israel, sometimes, anti-Zionist, sometimes, but definitely not anti-Semitic. Islamists are inherantly Anti-Zionist/Anti-Israel but they are also anti-Jewish, so they would happily see an anti-Zionist Jew dead, because they are Jewish. Anything similar to this cannot be said of the left in Australia as I know it.

    (Someone here pointed to a socialist alternative articles – just about everyone who isn’t in SA detests them.)

    I would be interested in your criticisms of this article: http://libcom.org/library/no-state-solution-gaza

  20. Iain Hall says:

    Interesting link Blah but such sentiments are ultimately useless there is no likely hood of the disillusion of all states any time soon

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