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WASHINGTON: A national drive to halt the death penalty in the US has been defeated in the Supreme Court, with the justices ruling that lethal injections, if properly administered, are a “humane” means of executing a condemned prisoner.

By a surprising 7-2 margin, the court rejected a constitutional attack on the main method of carrying out the death penalty across the US. Its ruling cleared the way for executions to resume after a seven-month delay.

Since October, officials and judges in several states have put executions on hold while awaiting the outcome of the case decided on Wednesday. It involved two Kentucky death row inmates who argued the lethal injection method violated the constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

The court’s opinion by Chief Justice John Roberts confirmed there was strong support for the death penalty among the judges.

“We begin with the principle … that capital punishment is constitutional. It necessarily follows that there must be a means of carrying it out,” Chief Justice Roberts wrote. “Some risk of pain is inherent in any method of execution – no matter how humane – if only from the prospect of error in following the required procedure.”

SMH

When it comes time to send these condemned scumbags to their just deserts there has probably never been a more humane method of execution than lethal injection. It works just like the practice in millions of veterinary practices around the world . The lawyers who brought this case can certainly be respected for their inventive line of argument but the fact that the judge’s vote was 7-2 makes this a resounding vote for the death penalty.

We can argue for ever about the morality of the death penalty but I support it on the whole because there are some crimes that are so horrendous that no other sanction is adequate and because it is far more humane than putting someone in a small box for the rest of their lives.

Cheers Comrades

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35 Comments

  1. Jeremy says:

    Funny that you lot are never confident about the legal system, but when it comes to executing people based on its deliberations – to trusting it with the power of life and death – you’re suddenly very enthusiastic.

    You know they stuff up and execute innocent people, right? If you imprison an innocent person, you can at least free them. If you’ve killed them? A touching letter to their grieving family, perhaps?

  2. raydixon says:

    “We begin with the principle … that capital punishment is constitutional. It necessarily follows that there must be a means of carrying it out”

    With logic like that it’s no wonder the US is one fckd up society. It sounds like the Judges are saying “because it was acceptable to our forefathers it MUST be carried out now … in the 21st century!”

    Why not go the whole hog and bring back slavery too?

  3. raydixon says:

    BTW, I reckon the colour they’ve painted that wall is “cruel & unusual punishment”. Fancy that being the last thing you see before you’re snuffed out!

  4. kg says:

    Oh yeah, it’s such a “fckd up society” all right.
    The free-est, wealthiest, most egalitarian society on earth, the society that brought down the USSR and expended countless billions of dollars to keep the world safe, the society that makes vast amounts of scientific data available to all at no charge, the society that lost 4,000 young men in a single day fighting the Nazis, the society that absorbed millions of immigrants and made it possible for them to build a better life free of the threat of the gulag and thje killing fields.
    Yup, that’s one fucked up society all right.
    Wanker.

  5. Denise says:

    I agree the USA is the most “fckd up society” on this planet. Unfortunately Americans are brain-washed from birth that their country is the “best, high and mighty”.
    The only western nation that executes its own citizens. You don’t have to be a genius to realise death penalty is not deterrent – USA has the highest crime rate and incarceration rate, per head of population, than any other country in the world. USA has the highest juvenile crime, suicide rate, school yard shootings, homeless, unemployed and mentally ill people not entitled to welfare, political corruption, racism against blacks and Hispanics and the hundreds of people dying each day due to unaffordable medicine, medical and hospital care.

    Hurricane Katrina proved to the world what the “real” USA is all about.

  6. Mark L says:

    The free-est

    Aside from the Patriot Act, government-friendly Supreme Courts, one-percent of the population in prison, etc.

    wealthiest

    A shrinking economy, stagnant manufacturing sector, unhealthy reliance on exports, rapidly depreciating dollar, gross inequality of income, etc.

    most egalitarian

    Unless you’re black in a southern state afflicted by hurricane flooding, Puerto Rican or Mexican immigrant, homosexual, etc.

    the society that brought down the USSR

    According to the fans who masturbate at the icon of Reagan; everyone else knows the USSR collapsed from within because of endemic corruption, mismanagement and the failure of its state-controlled economy.

    expended countless billions of dollars to keep the world safe

    While spending even more on keeping Israel armed to the teeth, propping up undemocratic puppet regimes in Asia and the Middle East (like Saddam Hussein’s Iraq in the 80s) and inciting or organising coups against left-wing governments (Allende’s Chile, resulting in the genocide of thousands under Pinochet)

    the society that makes vast amounts of scientific data available to all at no charge

    Usually the stuff that can’t be patented, copyrighted and used by US-based multinationals to make squillions, such as weapons technology, pharmaceuticals, etc.

    the society that lost 4,000 young men in a single day fighting the Nazis

    …and killed 120,000 in a single minute after dropping nuclear weapons on two Japanese cities, with plans to drop more as they became available.

    the society that absorbed millions of immigrants and made it possible for them to build a better life free of the threat of the gulag and thje killing fields

    Provided they were happy to work minimum wage, $5.25 an hour, ’cause you know that’s the American dream

    Wanker.

    Sad slavering old Americaphile Kiwi git.

  7. raydixon says:

    There are many great things about America, KG … and many bad things. They make the best and the worst of everything. Their capital puinishment laws and their absurd gun laws rank among “the worst”. They allow just about anyone to buy a gun and then they execute them if they use it. Sounds pretty “fucked up” to me.

    PS: I’d rather wank it than suck it!

  8. kg says:

    “Sad slavering old Americaphile Kiwi git.”
    🙂 not sad, not a Kiwi.
    “Their capital punishment laws and their absurd gun laws rank among “the worst””
    Hmm..didn’t we just have Amnesty International report that China executed more than 400 people last year? And plenty of other countries have the death sentence.
    “They allow just about anyone to buy a gun and then they execute them if they use it.”
    No, they execute them if they murder someone with it.
    In Florida–which has “shall issue” laws, less than .1% of gun crimes are committed by people who are legally carrying a concealed handgun. (see Trent Lott–“More Guns, Less crime”)
    “most egalitarian

    Unless you’re black in a southern state afflicted by hurricane flooding,”
    The failures to act in New Orleans were due to the black mayor’s inaction and incompetence.
    “The free-est

    Aside from the Patriot Act, government-friendly Supreme Courts, one-percent of the population in prison, etc.”
    The Patriot Act has no effect whatsoever on the average law-abiding American citizen.
    Of the population in prison, the majority are black. The reasons for that have stuff-all to do with racism and everything to do with the black grievance industry and a worship by them of shit role-models such as gangsta rappers and pimps and drug dealers.
    “everyone else knows the USSR collapsed from within because of endemic corruption, mismanagement and the failure of its state-controlled economy.”
    In other words, the failure of leftism. And America’s deliberate decision to spark an arms race which bankrupted the USSR.

    “resulting in the genocide of thousands under Pinochet”
    Damn–lefties getting wiped out instead of another leftist dictator doing what leftist dictators do best…the horror!
    “and killed 120,000 in a single minute after dropping nuclear weapons on two Japanese cities, with plans to drop more as they became available.”
    And a damn fine day’s work it was too–saving thousands of allied lives in the process.
    “Provided they were happy to work minimum wage, $5.25 an hour, ’cause you know that’s the American dream…”
    Yeah–that’s how so many of them became wealthy and influential. How those poor Irish peasants ended up owning Boston and the Hearst family did so poorly too….
    You really are an ignorant little prat. But amusing. 🙂

  9. raydixon says:

    So to cut a ridiculously long story short KG, you’re in favour of capital punishment I take it? Which criminals currently serving in Australian jails would you like to see executed? Go on, name them, and say why. Or are you just blowing hot air? Sounds like it.

  10. Mark L. says:

    So the shortcomings of FEMA (a national bureaucracy) was the fault of a “black mayor”, the nuking of 120,000 Japanese was a “damn fine day’s work”, and Pinochet was a “leftist dictator”? You really are a senile old tool. At least you live in a place that’s well out of the way where you can’t do any serious damage.

  11. Iain Hall says:

    Jeremy
    Just found your comment in the moderation bin and let it through 🙂
    As you will no doubt be aware there are extensive avenues to appeal a capital sentence in the US courts and there are also titanic efforts made by some advocacy groups to prove death row inmates are innocent. given all of that the chances that someone who gets to visit the room above being “not guilty” are very very slim indeed. Now I know that the cautionary principle suggests that ANY risk of one innocent man being executed should mean that NONE should face the executioner but we both know that as a society we are prepared to accept such risks if the greater good is served by ridding the world of a much larger number of rather vile scumbags.

  12. Mark L says:

    For what it’s worth Iain I actually agree with you that there should be discretionary capital punishment in some cases such as multiple murders, the murder of children, etc. But personally I think execution is overused in the United States, nowhere near as much as it is in China, but there are still too many nonetheless.

  13. Denise says:

    Barbaric, cruel, degrading and inhuman executions in USA.

    One example: David Long, executed in Texas 1999.

    Texas Governor George W. Bush (signed 152 death warrants in his 5 year tenor as Governor) refused and witheld public money to pay for Long’s defence death penalty appeals.

    A few days prior to Long’s date with the executioner, he attempted to suicide by swallowing hidden drugs in his cell. Long was near death, as emergency team of doctors kept him alive in his cell while Texas Government officials immediately ordered a private helicopter to take Long to Galverston Hospital with a team of highly-specialized medical professionals. Intent on keeping Long alive in the hospital intensive-care, so that the U.S. Government would not be cheated out of executing him.

    On the date Long was scheduled for execution, he was transported with a team of highly-specialized medical professionals, again by private helicopter back to the 5-star Texas execution chamber in Huntsville.

    Long, still gravely ill from the suicide attempt, was quickly tied down to the execution bed. As the lethal mix of deadly cocktails began to flow into his veins, Long began flapping like a fish and browny-black vomit began flowing from his mouth and onto the floor of the floor of the execution chamber. The curtain between the execution chamber and witnesses had to be closed, as one witness almost collapsed and other witnesses were physically sick.

    It took 25 minutes for Long to die, as he suffocated in his own vomit.

    Congratulations United Scabs of America !!!!!
    THE WORLD IS WATCHING YOU

  14. MK says:

    Yay, thanks for posting this Iain, glad to see there is still some justice in the world and it comes as no surprise that it’s over in the good ol’ USA. Excellent news this. A cause for a celebration. By the way in case anyone is in doubt that the death penalty is not effective, click here. I must warn those who wish to spare the criminals, you might find the facts at that source a tad overwhelming.

  15. Elijah says:

    And what what Long conviction for, hmm Denise?

  16. Elijah says:

    Oh mark you show just how ignorant you are of the US’s disaster arrangements. Here’s news: the Yanks leave as much as possible to the lowest level of government possible.

    It never was FEMA’s job to bail out the people of NO. It was the responsibility of the city itself and Lousiana’s State Government. But who was in-charge of the latter? Kathleen “I cried when I heard about it” Blanco.

    I have friends in the US who were in the bordering states’ National Guards’ being turned away at the border.

    So all in all, it was NO’s and Louisiana’s failures that caused the post-disaster crisis.

  17. Steven Rogan says:

    Iain it must be great to be able to turn your back on humanity and say “sorry you you scumbags on death row, I know for a fact that some of you are innocent of the crimes you have been convicted of, but you’re taking a bullet so we can sleep at night. So thanks for that and, um, see you later.”

    I unfortunately don’t have your strength of purpose.

  18. Iain Hall says:

    Steve
    Lets be real here for every failure of our legal system that sends an innocent man to death row there are many more instances where scumbags escape punishment for crimes that are never solved.
    I sleep well at night because i have an underlying faith that though far from perfect the criminal law as it exists here, in the UK and the USA has enough checks and balances that the likelihood of a miscarriage of justice are actually rather small, even in capital cases.

  19. Elijah says:

    I believe I read research once where the rate of false convictions with regards to the death penalty is less than 2%, in the entire history of their record keeping.

  20. Mark L. says:

    Oh mark you show just how ignorant you are of the US’s disaster arrangements. Here’s news: the Yanks leave as much as possible to the lowest level of government possible. It never was FEMA’s job to bail out the people of NO.

    Oh Elijah, you show just how ignorant you are of who is ignorant. This from FEMA’s own website:
    “The primary mission of the Federal Emergency Management Agency is to reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards, including natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and other man-made disasters, by leading and supporting the Nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation.”

    In any case, it was KG’s loony argument that it was all the fault of the “black mayor” that I was hacking at (I’m quite sure they all screwed up – city, state and FEMA – in ways many and varied.)

  21. Steven Rogan says:

    “Lets be real here for every failure of our legal system that sends an innocent man to death row there are many more instances…” blah blah blah.

    Let me know when you have a new point to make.

  22. Denise says:

    In the last three decades, more than 125 death row prisoners have been released, due to wrongful convictions. Some “fckd up” justice system in the US of A. They call this “justice” – It’s a scandal !!! My question is: Just how many innocent people remain on death row inside the so-called “best” justice system in the world ??? Who knows and who cares?

  23. Iain Hall says:

    Denise
    I would suggest that the release of those men proves that they system works rather than it is a failure. a system that does not have the checks and balances that are inherent in the US legal system would have executed the lot of them (China and Iran spring to mind).
    The trouble is that you assume that all of those convicted of capital offences are all innocent when even the most generous statistics suggest that the vast majority of them certainly are guilty.

  24. raydixon says:

    So Iain, I’ll ask the same question of you that I asked of KG:

    “you’re in favour of capital punishment I take it? Which criminals currently serving in Australian jails would you like to see executed – and why?”

    Unlike KG, I’m sure you’ll have the courtesy to respond.

  25. Iain Hall says:

    Well Ivan Milat and Martin Bryant spring to mind and any multiple murderers of the same ilk or perhaps those scumbags who killed Anita Cobby…
    Does that at least make the point that I do set the bar pretty high for a capital sentence?

  26. raydixon says:

    Hard to argue about those forst two Iain. I actually believe the police should have shot Bryant as he ran out of the burning house. They should have dropped Julian Knight too when he dropped his gun, “Oh, I thought he still had a hand-gun”, says the officer.

    You see I’m not entirely against capital punishment for extreme scumbags but I think the problem is you either have it or you don’t. And if you have it then a lot of people are going to get executed who (if not innocent) are potentially redeemable.

    I just think that as a society nothing is really served by having State sanctioned executions. It’s barbaric.

  27. Denise says:

    Iain, just who do you think you are by making judgements on who should live and who should get the lethal jab? If you support capital punishment then execute every killer, including the killer that kills the killer. But no, the almighty self-righteous think they have the right to “pick and choose” who dies and who lives. Why execute only a few per year? Why not execute everybody on death row? Americans are no better than China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the retentionist nations, that love killing human beings.
    Americans believe certain people they hate (murderer) deserve to die, and Muslim extremists believe certain people they hate (non-believers) deserve to die. Both are as barbaric as each other !!!

  28. marranci says:

    Dear Iain,

    Being Italian and having as ancestor Cesare Beccaria, I cannot other that oppose death penalty as useless system of punishment.

    Yet I respect your viewpoint. However, I wonder whether you would be ready, in case of a court mistake, to accept the death penalty and still to support it. Having conduct research in prison, (and researched also the US prison system), I have found that people whom supported the death penalty when was applied to them became very critical of it. I found this extremely strange, of course :-p

    Also I think that the state should not be hypocritical, and if the death penalty should exist, it should be like in Saudi or even under the Taliban: a clear, visible, and disgusting act of state brutality (affecting often only the poor part of the country or ethnic minority..find a reach famous person who ended there).

    I also think that, in case the death penalty is introduced, the state should grant the freedom to the relatives of the victims to decide. If somebody kill a member of my family, I would not wish the criminal to be put to death.

    The state should respect my decision since I do not want, even indirectly, to have my hands stained with human blood.
    Best wishes
    Gabriele

  29. Elijah says:

    Oh Elijah, you show just how ignorant you are of who is ignorant. This from FEMA’s own website:

    So you quote me one link and that’s the end of it?

    Why don’t you look around and browse HOW FEMA does it’s job. Do you expect 2,600+4,000 employees to handle major disaster on their own?

    God you are moronic. FEMA comes in AFTER the local guys have. Let’s read the legislation that actually gives FEMA it’s powers:

    (1)revising and broadening the scope of existing disaster relief programs;
    (2) encouraging the development of comprehensive disaster preparedness and
    assistance plans, programs, capabilities, and organizations by the States and
    by local governments;
    (3) achieving greater coordination and responsiveness of disaster preparedness
    and relief programs;
    (4) encouraging individuals, States, and local governments to protect
    themselves by obtaining insurance coverage to supplement or replace
    governmental assistance;
    (5) encouraging hazard mitigation measures to reduce losses from disasters,
    including development of land use and construction regulations; and
    (6) providing Federal assistance programs for both public and private losses
    sustained in disasters

    Where does it say there what your saying?

    Look back to the St Helen’s eruption. The National Guard was the spear point for that disaster. Guess what? The National Guard is run by each state.

    KG is right.

    You are wrong. AGAIN.

  30. Mark L. says:

    Elijah, I know reading and comprehension come tentatively to you but try once more. Here, I’ll even highlight some things for you:

    “by leading and supporting the Nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation”
    “(2) encouraging the development of comprehensive disaster preparedness and
    assistance plans, programs, capabilities, and organizations by the States and by local governments
    ;
    (3) achieving greater coordination and responsiveness of disaster preparedness and relief programs;

    FEMA isn’t supposed to do it all: it’s supposed to oversee, co-ordinate and lead the states, counties and cities in disaster preparation and relief. So if they fuck up, FEMA has fucked up. I know for you and your gun-totin’ Kiwi nutter mate the buck stops wherever the Democrats end and the Republicans begin, but it would be nice if you could both realise that there were a few more tiers of government responsible for the Katrina fiasco, rather than pinning it all on the ‘black mayor’ and the ‘woman governor’.

  31. Elijah says:

    You’ve said nothing new. You’ve said WHAT FEMA is supposed to do it not HOW. Again; responsibility for disaster management starts locally. The state then moves its National Guard units. Then if the State is overwhelmed the governor of the state in which the disaster occurred must declare a state of emergency and formally request from the President that FEMA and the federal government respond to the disaster.

    More importantly in this instance. Governor Blanco had fucked things up savagely already with her piss poor response and turning away National Guard units from the Louisiana border. I have a friend in the US who was literally on the border and saw first hand the wankers who turned his unit away after they had prepped their gear and drove 100 miles there.

    What Blanco did was to throw her hands up in the air and said fuck this, let FEMA handle it. That was something FEMA was not prepared nor was it capable to do.

    That’s like blaming a squad of infantry for failing to take a hill defended by a well entrenched armoured company.

    It was overwhelmed by Blanco’s ineptitude.

  32. Aaron the Arab says:

    I have a friend in the US who was literally on the border and saw first hand the wankers who turned his unit away after they had prepped their gear and drove 100 miles there.
    Nearly the whole country is in agreement that FEMA and Bush muffed this up. One person’s view is not enough to contradict millions of others.

    With the death penalty, I would say most rational people agree that their is some call for it in the case of multiple murders and a confession or something similar but as a general punishment there is no hard evidence it acts as a deterrent to hardened criminals. If you oppose the death penalty completely then you’re probably too far to the left and and nothing will change your mind but if you support it, Texas style then you’re probably too detached from the real world to know better. There is a middle ground.

  33. Elijah says:

    Nearly the whole country is in agreement that FEMA and Bush muffed this up.

    Since when is argumentum ad populum a valid argument?

    One person’s view is not enough to contradict millions of others.

    This example isn’t the sum total of all my evidence. It’s an example.

  34. MK says:

    Damn that’s an ass-whipping. You gotta show me how to do that sometime Elijah.

    “….as a general punishment there is no hard evidence it acts as a deterrent to hardened criminals.

    ….each execution carried out is correlated with about 74 fewer murders the following year.

    Sounds like them hardened criminals are finding around 74 [give or take] other things to do than taking the lives of innocent people to me.

  35. Aaron the Arab says:

    Junior: Since when is argumentum ad populum a valid argument?

    When’s it’s tens of millions to a few.

    AA: as a general punishment there is no hard evidence it acts as a deterrent to hardened criminals

    Matt: ….each execution carried out is correlated with about 74 fewer murders the following year.

    …the actual facts (not a knee jerk reaction)

    Matt: Damn that’s an ass-whipping. You gotta show me how to do that sometime Elijah.

    Why ask junior. Just ask me.

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