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Hap and the attractive Ms Jackson, or a price on his head

One thing I’ll say about my favourite leftist whipping boy is that he is as persistent as he is rather silly. His latest missive uses pieces from both AWH and Myself as exemplars of conservative evil. At best his piece shows that he is wilfully ignorant about the real nature of anti-Semitism within the ranks of the left and at worst he is trying to dissemble to hide that truth. He begins thus.

Thursday, 22 November 2007

She’s Confused…

Name the author and win a bottle of scotch ;o)
I’m referring here to a staffer of George Newhouse, the ALP’s candidate for Wentworth in the election this Saturday.

Her name is Rose Jackson (daughter of former ABC presenter, Liz), and she had the audacity to make the following faux pas:

In an email addressed “Dear activists”, Ms Jackson wrote to an internet education discussion forum last year: “I oppose Zionism because it calls for the creation of a Jewish state, and I think all governments should be secular.

‘No Jewish, Islamic, Christian states anywhere in the world, just good, robust,
secular democracies,’ she said. ‘By speaking out on behalf of the Palestinians
and Lebanese people, we can give voice to those that some governments and media
would wish to silence…I’m just opposed to theocracy. I certainly support the
right of Israel to exist, but not as a Jewish state.’ (source)

Naturally, those great defenders of freedom and democracy (the usual suspects, I mean) have fallen over themselves, using Jackson’s comments to demonstrate that all who criticise the Israeli government, or Zionism, are incurable anti-Semites, and inevitably of left-leaning persuasion.

I would hardly call my rather wryly sarcastic piece an example of my falling over myself at all. MK’s Piece at AWH was likewise little more than an aside, a quickie post that is intended to be taken as just a wry observation. I would make the argument that Haps far more extensive post is a far better example of an author “Falling over himself” to make a point that either MK’s post or mine is.

Name the author and win a bottle of scotch ;o)At one level, these critics of Israel’s critics have a point. Jackson’s characterisation of Israel as a ‘theocracy’ is confused, a point that Jackson herself later conceded.

The main objection to Jackson’s comment, however, was not her mis-characterisation of Israel’s Government – such slip-ups occur routinely, on all sides of politics. Rather, her detractors were outraged that she had the temerity to criticise the Israeli Government.

Of course we have a point when we cite Jackson’s clear naiveté on the matter of the structure of Israel’s democracy. But there is nothing at all to support Hap’s contention that MK and I are at all outraged by anyone, even Hap himself criticising the government of Israel.

Name the author and win a bottle of scotch ;o)To clarify how the ‘logic’ goes – Palestinians are all either terrorists or supporters of terror. Terror is here used by the anti-Palestinian crowd to refer to attacks on civilians. Given that Palestinians can be more or less equated, wholesale, with terror, Israel’s targeted assassinations can be understood as ‘self-defence’. Collective punishment of the Palestinians is entirely appropriate – after all, they never learn in any case. Sure, the IDF feels free to kill with impunity, to execute without a trial – but special circumstances warrant special pleading. Sure, many more Palestinian civilians have been killed than Israeli – but these are ‘accidents’ (as if, after bombing or opening fire on civilians, IDF troops say ‘Oops, my bad’ when inspecting the aftermath). Sure, Israel may control almost every aspect of Palestinian life, and may have integrated Palestinian land and resources into their own economy, but hey – the Israelis won it fair and square.

The evidence that a majority of Palestinians are complicit in the acts of terror perpetrated against the civilians of Israel is quite clearly made by the way that they were so willing to vote for the very hard-line candidates of Hamas in the last round of elections. It is also made by the way that they are so willing to send their children into Israel to be suicide bombers.

The restraint shown by Israel in response to outrages like the bombing of buses and cafe’s is actually genuinely heroic. A lesser people would have driven the Palestinians into the sea or across the river into Jordan. The Israelis have instead made the running time and time again to broker peace. Even when they unilaterally withdrew from Gaza The Palestinians were unwilling to do anything more than use it as a base to launch rockets into Israel rather than cease the opportunity for nation building.

Name the author and win a bottle of scotch ;o)This is more or less how the story goes, is it not? Supposed leftists who take issue with this narrative do not, as far as I can tell, endorse attacks on civilians, or support the Islamists‘ theocratic fetish, or deny that self-defence is a legitimate right. Nonetheless, these points are almost never granted.

Maybe they are not explicitly endorsing it but you very seldom see them qualifying their support for the Palestinian position. The same leftist will find any reason to excuse or “understand” acts of terror like bombing Buses and launching unguided rockets into Israel. The size and quality of the IDF is a favourite for this .

Name the author and win a bottle of scotch ;o)Curiously, the Israelis themselves are not so squeamish when it comes to acknowledging that occupation may not be a barrel of laughs after all. Hardened Likudniks are ready to admit that the occupation is a nasty (though necessary) business – anti-Palestinians in the West are not willing to concede even this much.

As you can see, any criticism of the Israeli government, no matter how qualified, is liable to be ‘rebutted’ with accusations of anti-Semitism. After all, these charges against Israel have no basis in fact.

It is not the act of criticising Israel that earns a leftist the ire of conservatives but the implicit support for the methodology used by Palestinians to achieve their goals. From the very beginning there has been a strong anti Semitic aspect to Marxism and it is not just me who sees the modern leftists claims to be “anti-Zionists” as a ruse to disguise their anti-Semitism.

Name the author and win a bottle of scotch ;o)So never mind the ex-Israeli soldier who, writing of his experiences in the West Bank earlier this week, said:

[S]till the expansion continues, and still the stranglehold on the
Palestinians persists. While the Israeli public stays silent, while their taxes swell the government’s coffers, they are tacitly aiding and abetting slow torture on a national scale. On top of the sporadic killing that the occupation inevitably causes, the killing of an entire people’s hopes and dreams takes place 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. (source)

Perhaps he is one of those called ‘self-hating’ by the anti-Palestinians.

Yes we can all concede that having to occupy territory and try to keep the peace with a people who are determined to kill you if they can is an unpleasant experience for the soldiers who have to do it but what exactly does this have to do with Rose Jackson? Oh hang on it has nothing to do with her but everything to do with hap trying to prove that the government of Israel, and by extension its people deserve to be bombed and killed by the Hamas or Islamic Jihad because the Israeli occupation is so evil. 🙄

Name the author and win a bottle of scotch ;o)We should also ignore the death of a Palestinian teenager earlier this week:

Palestinian medical sources said nineteen-year-old Muhammad Al-Najjar was riddled with 13 bullets. Eyewitnesses said Al-Najjar was standing in the door of his house when Israeli soldiers disguised in civilian clothes approached him and shot him without provocation. (source)

Anyone who has been following the conflict in Israel will be aware that the Palestinians have been more than willing to use their children as human shields, as agent provocateurs and even suicide bombers so any fair minded commentator would have to concede that a thirteen year old boy is rightfully not considered as ‘innocent” as we might see an Australian boy of the same age. Given the source, the claims that there was no provocation should be taken with at very large grain of salt

Name the author and win a bottle of scotch ;o)

We should remain silent about the Palestinian children who are denied medical treatment by the State of Israel, according to well known Communist rag Ha’aretz – after all, 10-year old cancer patients are a threat to national security. And we should the alleged IDF storming of a refugee camp, shortly after Tony Blair visited it on a ‘peace’ mission. After all, any mention of such things would make you ‘nasty and extreme’, according to the blogosphere’s least pernicious and most respected conservative commentator.

To be entirely honest I am amazed that Israel is willing to offer any sort of medical treatment to Palestinians at all but fore every story as tragic as the ones there are more stories of Israeli doctors making heroic efforts to treat sick Palestinian children. The fact that there are so many difficulties for Palestinians to access Israeli hospitals is almost entirely an artefact of their own relentless campaign of terror, their willingness to use ambulances to carry arms and explosives and the willingness of their bombers to use any subterfuge to get a bomb into Israel proper

Finally a note on my new avatar for friend Hap

Name the author and win a bottle of scotch ;o)When I said over at AWH that I was willing to offer a bottle of scotch for the real name of the scrote who posts as “The Happy Revolutionary” it was said with my tongue very much in my cheek. I find the indignation from the usual suspects absolutely hilarious. Anyone would think that I had taken out a contract on the scumbag’s life, from the cacophony of leftist whining. So In future I will indicate a quote from him with the picture of a bottle of Scotch to remind every one that Hap does have a price on his head, one that comes to the grand total of about $29.95
Cheers comrades
😉


35 Comments

  1. Elijah says:

    That was the cheapest Scotch you could find?

  2. kg says:

    “Al-Najjar was riddled with 13 bullets”
    Hmm..that’s a waste of 11 bullets. That’s unlike the IDF. 🙂

  3. MK says:

    Yeah, usually they do the job with one shot..

  4. Craigy says:

    AHH.. the violent, gun loving nuts from AWH arrive right on Iain’s dog whistle.

    “His latest missive uses pieces from both AWH and Myself as exemplars of conservative evil.”

    Your friend have just proved Hap’s point and made you look silly Iain, some friends…

    Your attacks on Hap are looking just like the Iain of ‘being nice’ fame.

  5. MK says:

    Is the unhappy pustule still blogging about us, hasn’t he got anything else to bang on about? Just the other day he came over again and called me a moron, yet here he is blogging about what i (a moron in his eyes) post about. Am i like some sort of object of leftist hatred or something now? I see i’m a ‘usual’ suspect, does this mean he posts regularly about me, wow this is really doing wonders for my self-esteem you know.

  6. Craigy says:

    Oh and I don’t know about the ‘whipping boy’ bit Iain, We’ve yet to see you win an argument against Hap or MM.

    ‘Whipping boy’ now there is a good ol’ right wing phrase from the glory days of the right. MK and KG must be so proud.

    I guess if Martin Luther King was a blogger, he would be your ‘whipping boy’ as well Iain.

    Would you be happy to call him that?

  7. Craigy says:

    “this is really doing wonders for my self-esteem you know.”

    And I’m sure you need it MK, I’m sure you do…

  8. kg says:

    I think he’s in love MK.

  9. Iain says:

    Craigy you are such a predictable minion….. Sigh

  10. Elijah says:

    Craigy, you don’t have to keep proving to us you have handed your balls over to be mounted.

  11. Mark L says:

    Iain, I’ll give you a bottle of scotch if you can tell me what high school MK attends.

  12. Mondo Rock says:

    Ahh the AWHers – so tough, so hardened – and so scared of alternative views. There REALLY isn’t a bigger bunch of chickenshits anywhere on the web.

    Back to your impenetrable fortress Matt and Keith – it’s much safer in there you know.

  13. Iain says:

    Mondo
    Play nice now because you must realise that your comments are moderated here and I will only put up with so much empty sniping from you.
    It’s not as if there aren’t enough leftist blogs that are already beginning to celebrate the end of John Howard.
    so please address the topic or piss off.

  14. Suburban Marxist says:

    I’m sorry…who are the racists..?

    “THE LIBERAL Party has moved to protect its candidate for the Sydney electorate of Lindsay despite damaging revelations that her husband distributed bogus pamphlets designed to inflame racial tensions.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/liberals-stand-firm-despite-race-row/2007/11/22/1195321951486.html

    And as there is an argument that Arabs are also semite’s…looks like the Right is up to its old tricks…

    Roll on Saturday!

    🙂

  15. Mondo Rock says:

    Is the ongoing stoush between you, the AWHers and THR not the topic under discussion?

    Sorry – I thought it was.

  16. Elijah says:

    Mondo, we’re not the one crying because our logic is continually shot to pieces.

  17. Mondo Rock says:

    That’s pretty funny coming from you Elijah – not once have you ever even attempted to undermine any of the arguments I’ve ever put forward.

    Your special gift, apparently, is unbridled abuse and childish ranting. Oh – and hiding behind the skirts of your AWH friends and their ‘ban at the drop of a hat’ policy.

  18. kg says:

    “at the drop of a hat”?
    Not at all.
    It’s ban on sight–no need to drop your hat, Mondo.

  19. MK says:

    “…violent, gun loving nuts…” I thought it was weapons of war, i see we’re getting specific now. Only a stupid leftist would consider people who love guns to be bad.

    Or maybe he’s just jealous of our manliness, old cwaigy must be some sort of metrosexual or something, with his drawer of frilly things, expensive creams and powders. it’s ok if you don’t like guns sons, just that we won’t really want to hang around you, that’s all.

    Gun loving – check, violent – only if provoked.

    As for Mark L, yeah wouldn’t you like to know teach, what is it with these leftists teachers and young students!! I told you teach, i don’t swing that way. You can try cwaigy with his creams and what not, heck he can pretend to be me or something, what ever does it for you weirdos and your “alternate” lifestyles.

  20. MK says:

    “..scared of alternative views..”
    Mondo, why don’t you get your own blog son, start up your thing there and start banging away with your leftist “alternate” views and all that and if anyone feels like turning up over there and going round and round in bloody circles all day long they can and good luck to them..

  21. Mark L. says:

    Matty boy, the only time people like you feel disposed to violence is when you have a gun. When its taken away from you, suddenly you don’t feel so big and bwave anymore. As for advising Mondo on blogs, I’ve had a quick look at yours – and it doesn’t seem to be swarming with commenters.

  22. Craigy says:

    MK, I probably have needed to use a gun more regularly than any of your weekend warriors at AWH.

    I live in the bush, have rabbits, stock that needs destroying from time to time, and the regular kangaroos that get hit on our dirt road.

    I don’t ‘love’ weapons like you and your soft bunch of wannabes. Guns have a place, as a tool.

    Those, like your AWH lot, who get all hard and hot about using your latest toy to blow people away, are just a bunch of sick fucks that should stay as far away from weapons as possible. We would all feel a lot safer if that was the case. Not concerned about the Muslims who live up the road, but KG is a real worry.

    Most farmers, rangers and professional shooters would agree with me on just one reading of the violent, sad attitude you project at AWH.

  23. kg says:

    Well, there ya go, MK! Mark has pointed out The Great Lefty Truth–unless you have mobs of squealing juveniles frothing in comments, your blog is nothing man, nothing at all.
    Interesting, how the left judge something by the size of the “swarm” around it.
    Living on a farm, I noticed something–place an object on the ground and a herd of cows or a flock of sheep would gather round, staring at it. Other cows and sheep would come over to join the mob.
    The sheepdogs would just sniff it, check it out and move on.
    Perhaps we should put Mark and Mondo et al in a paddock and verify their herd instincts….

  24. MK says:

    I know KG, they seem to think that we are perturbed by a lack of leftist gasbags squatting on our property. I’m not sure but i think Mark the Loser is saying that Mondo would be lousy at blogging because i don’t have many commenters. I see he doesn’t have a blog either, scared you won’t get any readers Mark, why do you bother getting up in the morning, something could go wrong.

    As for bwavery, i’d like to see mark the loser take on criminals without a gun, or tell his local police to save his useless ass by turning up without a gun. Take the gun away from everyone before they “feel disposed to violence”. It’s that leftist stupidity shining through again, assuming people who have or want guns are just violent.

  25. MK says:

    “…I’ve had a quick look at yours…”
    Oh and Mark the Loser, please don’t come again and you can tell all your loser leftist buddies not to come either. I’d be much happier if my blog is free from vermin.

  26. Mark L says:

    From the look of it, it’s free of everyone.

  27. Mark L says:

    Mark has pointed out The Great Lefty Truth–unless you have mobs of squealing juveniles frothing in comments, your blog is nothing man, nothing at all. Interesting, how the left judge something by the size of the “swarm” around it.

    Obviously you aren’t witness to Iain’s own comments elsewhere on the Internet, where he brags endlessly about the amount of hits and commenters on his blog.

  28. MK says:

    And you make sure you don’t return mark.

    Didn’t see craigy and his tales of shooting wabbits and roos on the farm. So i guess it’s ok for guns on the farm, but not in the city ey, and craigy gets to decide who gets a gun and who doesnt. You know craigy, you’re a dumb “fuck” and a sick “fuck”.

  29. Mark L says:

    MK, no chance of me returning to any blog that you frequent until you obtain a better mastery of the English language. You sound like a 15-year-old writing job interviews for the Liberal Party.

  30. Mondo Rock says:

    In Matt’s world, Mark L, writing like you have a lisp is apparently considered some sort of a witty rejoinder to being trounced intellectually. If you add accusations of homosexuality and threats to report you to US Homeland Security then you have the full troika of AWH come-backs.

    They needs these little rhetorical tools, you see, to distract reader attention from their inability to apply even moderate intelligence to their analysis of current events.

    Their depth is nowhere better demonstrated than their recent pride in having all voted for Pauline Hanson in the Senate – solely because of her anti-muslim immigration policies. I guess if you’re going to pick a single issue and focus on it then xenophobia’s the natural choice for a mind riddled with fear and racism.

  31. Elijah says:

    That’s pretty funny coming from you Elijah – not once have you ever even attempted to undermine any of the arguments I’ve ever put forward.

    Hohohohoho!

    Mondo, I kicked your arse a number of times on AWH. I beat you in your stupid idiotic ideas for how an economy should work. Mondo, just because you don’t admit defeat doesn’t mean you haven’t been.

    Your special gift, apparently, is unbridled abuse and childish ranting.

    This just goes to continually prove you lack of comprehension and nuance when it comes to argument. Just because I add insults and foul language to my arguments it doesn’t mean that my argument solely consists of them. You’re a fucking moron Mondo. Like the rest of them.

    MK, I probably have needed to use a gun more regularly than any of your weekend warriors at AWH.

    And so it follows that you automatically have greater authority to talk about it than we?! Idiot.

    I don’t ‘love’ weapons like you and your soft bunch of wannabes. Guns have a place, as a tool.

    Too bad. You’re missing out on appreciating the aesthetic and engineering feat these tools are.

    Those, like your AWH lot, who get all hard and hot about using your latest toy to blow people away, are just a bunch of sick fucks that should stay as far away from weapons as possible. We would all feel a lot safer if that was the case. Not concerned about the Muslims who live up the road, but KG is a real worry.

    Well Craigy you just demonstrate what a dickless little man you are if you can see the million year old passtime of guys bullshitting to each other. We talk a lot of shit craigy. You gotta worry about what we do. That’s what real men worry about.

    Most farmers, rangers and professional shooters would agree with me on just one reading of the violent, sad attitude you project at AWH.

    And your proof? Do you want me to stick around and collect the crickets?

  32. Craigy says:

    “We talk a lot of shit craigy. You gotta worry about what we do. That’s what real men worry about.”

    What the? If this is what you think MK, then, well, sorry it’s got me fucked.

    “And your proof?

    Most people, in fact I think I can safely say a majority, do not want to own a weapon to be able to kill others with it.

    In Australia you are more likley to be shot if you have a gun in the house.

    Now your evidence that Australians would be safer if we all carried arms and followed your advice about shooting anyone you see as a threat?

  33. Mondo Rock says:

    I beat you in your stupid idiotic ideas for how an economy should work.

    Classic. You ‘beat me’ in my stupid ideas. What a great line.

  34. Elijah says:

    Most people, in fact I think I can safely say a majority, do not want to own a weapon to be able to kill others with it.

    Notwithstanding, your lack of empirical evidence, this is not argument! Ad populum is BS.

    In Australia you are more likley to be shot if you have a gun in the house.

    Proof?

    Now your evidence that Australians would be safer if we all carried arms and followed your advice about shooting anyone you see as a threat?

    Every single state in the western world with liberal gun laws has lower crime rates. The buyback in 1996 didn’t work because the up-trend in violent crime continued way until 1998. So removing the guns never had any effect.

    In Britain, violent crime rates have gone up nearly 50% despite the total ban on handguns.

    Since 1991 Texas which introduced concealed carry has seen crime rates drop.

    The list goes on and on.

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