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Without dignity all is lost for Labor

I have been greatly bemused by the instance from the Gillard cheer squad that Gillard’s misfortunes are all down to the hostile media in the thrall of both Rupert Murdoch and Gina Reinhardt they insist that even the ABC   has become an instrument of the evil right wing conspiracy to oust their heroin(e) from the lodge. Gillard’s low standing is , they insist all because nothing she does is reported clearly and honestly without the efforts of the evil media overlords. Its desperate ranting the most of it and full to the brim with denial of the simple fact that we are being governed by the worst administration on living memory.  It is a party that has lost every shred of its dignity  and I just can’t help but think that Gillard is working from precisely the same script as the one   that was so  diligently used  by the unlamented Anna Bligh.

Like Bligh we have had the economic incompetence (who can forget Labor’s billion dollar stuff up of the Nurses pay system? )  and the undignified attempts to smear an ascendant opposition leader. None of which  resulted  any rise in the standing of the incumbent, if anything media stunts like Gillard’s “misogyny speech” only spoke positively to the most devoted of her acolytes  the rest of the nation just went “ho-hum” and wrote it  off as more undignified whining. The very final act of desperation form Bligh, in interlay begging the voters not to give Campbell Newman too much power  worked so well for Labor that in opposition they have been reduced to a mere eight seas  in the Queensland parliament and total irrelevance to the political process here.

Federally that is the prospect that Labor faces as well, to be frank I thought until recently that federal Labor might just fare better that Bligh at the next election but now I think otherwise. They seem likely to loose most of not all of their seats up here in Queensland, Rudd may be the exception because he has done a rather effective job of self promotion, Swan on the other hand is widely derided for his incompetence and I don’t think that he can survive the swing to ride the roundabout of opposition, why would eh want to anyway? If he were to hold his seat I don’t think it would be long before he found an excuse to retire from politics even though the seat would likely  be lost in a subsequent by election.

Then we have the joys of western Sydney that Gillard has been partaking of during the last week, boy what a great success that has been for Labor Julia Gillard and her minders   have managed to get just about every thing  arse about as Mungo MacCallum points out:

It is hard to believe with hindsight, but Julia Gillard’s safari to the western suburbs of Sydney was not really such a bad idea.

After all, this is – or at least has been since time immemorial – Labor territory, and in the present circumstances it needs a bit of tender loving care. It may be too late; the patient may be beyond recovery. But Gillard had to make the effort.

And if it was always going to look more like campaigning than governing, to quote her own rather artificial distinction, well, so what? Given that Tony Abbott has done nothing but campaign for the past 40 months, she can hardly be blamed for playing a bit of catch-up.

The mistake was to confuse campaigning with slapstick. Almost the only good thing that came out of last week’s fiasco was that it made the perfect scenario for a textbook on how to lose friends and influence people – to vote against you. It must have taken real dedication to cram so many errors, gaffes and downright embarrassments into a single expedition.

Even the normally sympathetic Fairfax press this morning ran a piece by Alan Stokes that can only be described as the cold hard light of reality reminding the Age faithful  that Life under an Abbott government will not be the sum of all of the Latte sippers fears as  the left’s denailists  have repeatedly insisted:

Amid all the scaremongering, it’s easy to forget this: Labor and the Liberals tussle mostly over the middle ground. Most government decisions emerge from consensus or compromise between two fairly similar world views. Cynics might even say modern politics is all about power and not world views anyway.

Still, the measure of a caring nation is how it treats its most vulnerable. So we cannot ignore the dangers of changing to Abbott. But we can be realistic. The awkward reality for middle Australia is usually that what’s lost on the political roundabout is gained on the swing.

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I was actually rather surprised to read this piece in the Age this morning because up until recently such realism was almost unheard of from  the Fairfax press I can truly commend the piece to our readers  as an example of political sobriety in a sea of drunken denialism. I can almost hear the chorus saying that this too is an example of the conspiracy to lay low the  good Gillard government. Its also certain that they will be championing Conroy’s attempt to shift the political debate to his half baked, yet over cooked scheme to muzzle the media    as James Paterson points out in the Australian  its a rather extreme reaction to a critical press:

Australia now also effectively will have a press licensing system. Any media outlet not signed up to a government-endorsed media regulator will lose journalistic privileges such as exemptions from privacy laws.

This will force media groups that are not presently members of bodies such as the press council to join, and is a powerful threat to existing members that they must not leave. It will be virtually impossible to run a media outlet in Australia without being under the supervision of government-appointed bureaucrats.

The last time that media outlets were subject to press licensing in the English-speaking world was 1693. What was too tyrannical for the English in the time of William and Mary is apparently acceptable in 21st-century Australia.

I can’t for the life of me imagine that Conroy’s scheme will be anything other than a distraction rather in the mould to the Gay marriage push of recent memory. In one sense its clever politics to push this issue because its bound to raise the passions of the devoted to Gillard crew and help cement that siege/victim mentality about the “MSM” however for the general public it will be even more evidence of a government a drift in a sea of its self made  troubles. The requirement for the endorsement of the Greens and Independents means that Labor can float this grand scheme, have it shot down by Oakshott, Wilkie  or Windsor and still claim that they have “tried their best” to the faithful while not having to deliver on what is a rather  bad idea.   For those of us who are fans of the game  its a totally transparent play and even if by some confluence of  political(bad) luck Labor does mange to get this up it has no chance of surviving a change of government. So its futility is very clear indeed.

None of this will add to the dignity of  the Labor party and without some dignity no amount of stunts and political manoeuvring will save the Federal Labor Party from a rout of Queensland or West Australian proportions.  Will Gillard realise the futility of her position and seek the good grace that she has squandered with the likes of her misogyny speech, or will we see an ever changing parade of more desperate nonsense like Conroy’s announcement yesterday? Going on the Labor record I expect the latter.

Cheers Comrades

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  1. cornlegend says:

    16 Quotes From Tony Abbott to Remind You Why He Shouldn’t Be Prime Minister ?

    On immigration:

    1. ‘Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it’s not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.’

    2. ‘These people aren’t so much seeking asylum, they’re seeking permanent residency. If they were happy with temporary protection visas, then they might be able to argue better that they were asylum seekers’

    On rights at work:

    3. ‘Bad bosses, like bad fathers and husbands, should be tolerated because they do more good than harm’

    On women:

    4. ‘The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.’

    5. ‘I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons’

    6. ‘I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak’

    7. ‘What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing is that if they get it done commercially it’s going to go up in price and their own power bills when they switch the iron on are going to go up, every year…’

    On Julia Gillard:

    8. ‘Gillard won’t lie down and die’

    On climate change:

    9. ‘Climate change is absolute crap’

    10. ‘If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.’

    On homosexuality:

    11. ‘I’d probably … I feel a bit threatened’

    12. ‘If you’d asked me for advice I would have said to have – adopt a sort of “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy about all of these things…’

    On Indigenous Australia:

    13. ‘Now, I know that there are some Aboriginal people who aren’t happy with Australia Day. For them it remains Invasion Day. I think a better view is the view of Noel Pearson, who has said that Aboriginal people have much to celebrate in this country’s British Heritage’

    14. ‘Western civilisation came to this country in 1788 and I’m proud of that…’

    15. ‘There may not be a great job for them but whatever there is, they just have to do it, and if it’s picking up rubbish around the community, it just has to be done’

    On Nicola Roxon:

    16: ‘That’s bullshit. You’re being deliberately unpleasant. I suppose you can’t help yourself, can you?’

    http://theagevsheraldsun.tumblr.com/post/33224765845/16-quotes-from-tony-abbott-to-remind-you-why-he

  2. cornlegend says:

    for all who found the Telegraph frontpage as disgusting as I did regarding Stephen Conroy

    http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/australian-press-council-prosecute-the-daily-telegraph

  3. Iain Hall says:

    Gee Cornlegend I can see why you don’t want to vote for Abbott but the best thing for me about raging against the inevitable, (that Gillard will bee booted out on September 14)is knowing the anguish and despair you will be feeling on that Sunday mourning after the election. Get with the program mate all of your many points may well work for you minions of the left but they won’t sway the swinging voters who will decide the matter.

  4. cornlegend says:

    We’ll see, sooner or later Abbott has got to release policy and costings.
    Once that happens, things will change, just like Victoria.
    With the NT libs ,Queensland and Victoria stuffing up and Abbott with rubbish policy , We will see

  5. cornlegend says:

    .Ian, just a couple more to keep the readers happy,
    …Whyalla will be wiped off the map by Julia Gillard’s carbon tax. Whyalla risks becoming a ghost town, an economic wasteland, if this carbon tax goes ahead and that’s true not just of Whyalla, it’s also true of Port Pirie, it’s true of Gladstone, it’s true of communities in the Hunter Valley and the Illawarra in New South Wales, it’s true of Kwinana in Western Australia, it’s true of the La Trobe Valley, Portland, places like that in Victoria. There’s not a state and there’s hardly a region in this country that wouldn’t have major communities devastated by a carbon tax if this goes ahead…
    Source: Tony Abbott – Liberal Party website – April 27, 2011
    I say to Julia Gillard, what have you got against the people of Gladstone? Why are you trying to close down Gladstone with your mining tax and your carbon tax?
    Source: http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/InterviewTranscripts/tabid/85/ar

    The government’s emissions trading scheme is the perfect political response to the public’s fears. It’s a plausible means to limit carbon emissions that doesn’t impose any obvious costs on voters.
    Source: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/turnbull-is-right-the-coalition-cant-win-this-fight/story-fna7dq6e-1225754172086
    Tony Abbott – 7.30 Report, May 18, 2010
    Well, again Kerry, I know politicians are gonna be judged on everything they say, but sometimes, in the heat of discussion, you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark, which is one of the reasons why the statements that need to be taken absolutely as gospel truth is those carefully prepared scripted remarks
    ON POLICY
    Well, we will have policy. We must have policy. We in fact do have policy ready to go. But the first job of the Opposition is to hold the Government to account. Then once people have decided that they think the Government doesn’t deserve to be re-elected they look at us and say, ‘well, are these guys going to be a credible alternative, are they going to make a positive difference.’ and so it is a two stage process. But the first stage is making the Government look bad.
    Source: http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/InterviewTranscripts/tabid/85/ar

    Tony Abbott – at least he knows and admits he’s an embarrassment
    I can’t promise that I won’t continue to embarrass people.
    Source: http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/News/tabid/94/articleType/ArticleView/artic

    Tony Abbott claims he will leave the country if he loses the election
    If I don’t win this election I’ll have to leave the country.
    Source: Adelaide Now – February 1, 2013
    Tony Abbott and making departures from principle – it’s okay to break promises.
    In an interview in March, 2010, Tony Abbott was asked a question about his broken promise of no new taxes. Tony Abbott replies:
    But sometimes, for very important reasons, for very good reasons, you have to make departures from principle.
    Source: Tony Abbott Interview – March, 2010
    In other words, it’s okay to break promises
    Tony Abbott – we should be grateful for mining companies
    Sure, they might ultimately be owned by the Australian people, but they’re valueless until someone digs them up, and the people who we really ought to be very grateful for are the people who turn commodities into valuable assets – and that’s the mining companies.
    Source: http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/InterviewTranscripts/tabid/85/ar
    Tony Abbott is wary of debates involving women.
    I’ve always been very wary of debates involving women.
    Source: Lateline – August 10, 2010
    Tony Abbott thinks that the NBN is just a ‘video entertainment system’
    Do we really want to invest $50 billion of hard earned taxpayers money in what is essentially a video entertainment system?
    Source: Tony Abbott at a press conference – December 20, 2010
    Tony Abbott praises Peter Slipper when he was appointed as Deputy Speaker
    I know that the member for Maranoa and the member for Fisher will serve as a fine complement to the member for Scullin in the chair. I believe that the parliament will be well served by the team which will occupy the chair in this chamber. I again congratulate you, Mr Speaker, on returning to the high office which you occupied in the last parliament. I congratulate the member for Fisher, who has been a friend of mine for a very long time who has served
    this parliament in many capacities with distinction…
    Source: Official Hansard – September 28, 2010
    Tony Abbott on poverty, March 15, 2010
    It’s the responsibility of government to try to put policies in place which over time will allow people to improve their situation. But we can’t abolish poverty because poverty in part is a function of individual behaviour.
    We can’t stop people drinking; we can’t stop people gambling; we can’t stop people having substance problems; we can’t stop people from making mistakes that cause them to be less well-off than they might otherwise be.
    Source: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2010/s2846485.htm

  6. Iain Hall says:

    Cornlegend

    I have to explain to you that this blog is configured to send all comments with more than two links into automatic moderation, that said I see no problem with any of your latest quotes, to me they seem to be good examples of Abbott’s candor.but if you care to explain the problem with the sentiments within each quote I will be more than happy to engage you on your reasoning. :)

  7. cornlegend says:

    no worries, as soon as I’ve got time,
    Too busy celebrating the 71,000 jobs created in February

  8. GD says:

    What sector were they ‘created’ in? The public service?

  9. GD says:

    cornlegend, so you found the front page of the Telegraph disgusting? Today the tele published an apology at the bottom of the original article.

    Apology:

    YESTERDAY we ran a picture of Federal Communications Minister Stephen Conroy depicted as Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin.

    It has since been pointed out that this was a grossly unfair and insulting comparison to make. And so we would just like to say: We’re sorry, Joe.

    Yes, it is true that Stalin was a despicable and evil tyrant who was responsible for the death of many millions.

    However, at least he was upfront in his efforts to control the media instead of pretending he supported free speech and then suggesting that cheeky, satirical or provocative newspaper coverage might be against the law. We also note that, despite his well-documented crimes against humanity, Stalin at least managed to hold a government together for more than three years.

    Nonetheless, we pay tribute to our new Commissar Conroy and stand ready to write and publish whatever he instructs us to.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/media-minister-misses-sting-in-the-tale/story-e6freuy9-1226596771403

  10. cornlegend says:

    DSYDNEY (AFP) – Australian monthly jobs growth hit a near 13-year high in February, an “extraordinary” result that helped keep the unemployment rate steady and eased pressure on the central bank to cut rates.
    The Australian Bureau of Statistics said 71,500 jobs were created last month, smashing forecasts for a rise of 10,000 and the biggest jump since July 2000.
    UBS economist George Tharenou said: “It is clearly a strong result and shows that employment growth is tracking much faster than some people had been expecting.”
    The bureau said the rate of unemployment stood at 5.4 percent, unchanged from January due to more people re-entering the workforce, and better than predictions for a rise to 5.5 percent.
    Thursday’s figures come just nine days after the Reserve Bank of Australia kept interest rates at historic lows of 3.0 percent, saying previous cuts were beginning to take effect.
    Macquarie Bank senior economist Brian Redican said the numbers were “extraordinary” and added: “With that kind of employment growth there is no rationale for cutting rates.”
    HSBC Australia chief economist Paul Bloxham expects the unemployment rate to stay below 5.5 percent for the remainder of 2013, edging down in the second half of the year.
    “This survey helps add further weight to our view that the soft patch in the economy is probably behind us,” he said.
    “The housing market is recovering, house prices are rising, consumer sentiment has bounced and equity markets are up.”

  11. Ray Dixon says:

    Seriously, GD, the Daily Telegraph wrote that? Un f*cking believable – they’ve just consigned themselves to the permanent ranking of not-to-be-taken-seriously … by anyone. Even the knee-jerking Western Sydneyites would agree that the DT has totally lost the plot … well, with one exception of course.

    a blog like mine is like a chat in the front bar or in a leafy beer garden

    No it’s not, Iain – you never talk about sport!

  12. GD says:

    No it’s not, Iain – you never talk about sport!

    That’s why I prefer this bar to my local :)

  13. Ray Dixon says:

    What sports do they talk about at your local, GD? It’d be rugby, I bet. Yeah, I’d avoid it too.

  14. GD says:

    NRL Ray. All the way with the Parramatta Eels. I agree with you. It’s a bit like that photo spread you did a while back of Collingwood supporters. :)

    What was the title of this post again?

    “Without Dignity, All Is Lost…”

  15. Ray Dixon says:

    Doesn’t the “R” in NRL stand for “rugby”?

    And that photo is only of an AFL supporter, not a player. A Collingwood supporter no less! Anyway I reckon he’d easily get a game with your Paramatta Eels. He’s got all the attributes – meat head, no neck, flabby guts and tats. All the athletic guys in NSW play AFL, or hadn’t you noticed? They get paid more too.

  16. GD says:

    Ray, I can’t stand any code of football, soccer, NRL or AFL. How did we get into this discussion? Oh yeah, ‘my local’.

    All the athletic guys in NSW play AFL, or hadn’t you noticed?

    err, no, I hadn’t noticed….

    Why am I even talking about football?

    Do Muslims play sport or is it banned like music and dancing?

    There, now we’re no longer talking about football.

  17. Ray Dixon says:

    Well yes, there are quite a few muslims playing in the various codes of football in Australia. And overseas, most muslim countries even have national teams. It seems you’re less Australian than the muslim immigrants you vilify, GD.

  18. GD says:

    huh? so to be Australian you have to play sport?

  19. Ray Dixon says:

    Sport is a big part of our culture, GD, and even those who are too weak, whimpy or effeminate to play it, still usually have some interest in some kind of sport – except you it seems. It’s not a prerequisite of being an Australian to play or appreciate sport but those who (like you) don’t play or appreciate it really shouldn’t criticise muslims for not assimilating into our cultural norms.

  20. GD says:

    Ray, that is a most ridiculous comment. Australia doesn’t want Muslims to play sport to prove they’re integrating. The nation wants Muslims to refrain from marching in the streets yelling ‘Behead all Infidels’ and infecting their children with the same poisonous attitude.

    I do like some sports. Women’s Beach Volleyball is an example. However, if you prefer watching boofy blokes run around a field chasing a ball, and each other, so be it. We live in a free (so far) society. Go for it.

    I’ll ignore the fact that you used derogatory, sexist, genderist smears when disagreeing with me.

    too weak, whimpy or effeminate to play it

    Really, Ray, you should pay more attention to your Leftist Phrasebook.

  21. Ray Dixon says:

    I’m not a leftist per se and suggesting that *some* non-sporty men are effeminate is not sexist anyway, it’s an observation of mannerisms.

    And I wasn’t talking about muslims, I was pointing out how hypocritical it is of you to reject one of our greatest cultural norms (ie sport) and then, in the next breath, criticise muslims for not assimilating into our society. It seems to me you’re no more Australian than they are.

  22. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    I really don’t think that sport is anywhere near as big an Aussie obsession as you think it is. Sure a lot of people take a superficial interest in the sports news but I reckon a lot of that is so that they can feign interest at work or social situations. I know lots of people who are just as indifferent to it as I am and they are as Dinki-di as anyone else in the Wide brown land.

  23. Ray Dixon says:

    Yes Iain, “lots” of people are not interested in sport. But the great majority clearly are. Sport is a tradition in Australia – a cultural tradition – and is part of who we are. To deny this is to deny our history and our sporting icons like Bradman, Pharlap, Fraser, Cuthbert, Goolagong, Court, Laver, Sedgman, Newcombe, Lillee, Warne & Waugh … the list is endless.

    And my point is, (as stated):

    Those who (like GD) reject that cultural norm are entitled to do so, but are on rather shaky & hypocritical ground when they then try to dictate what cultural norms our immigrants should adopt.

  24. GD says:

    I repeat, Ray, the ‘cultural norms’ those f*ckwits should adopt are:

    ….refrain from marching in the streets yelling ‘Behead all Infidels’ and infecting their children with the same poisonous attitude.

    Nobody gives a rat’s if they play sport. As Iain said, sport isn’t anywhere near the big Aussie obsession that you think it is. As for judging someone “too weak, whimpy or effeminate” to play sport, but then suggesting that they realise their impotence and stand on the sideline cheering regardless is patronising and presumptuous.

  25. GD says:

    As well as liking Women’s Beach Volleyball :) I also enjoy great moments in sport….

  26. Ray Dixon says:

    The vast majority don’t do that, GD – maybe you should refrain from being a f*ckwit too, I mean, you’re quite clearly far from a role model citizen or a typical Aussie yourself. And you can keep twisting what I said about sport but I haven’t suggested you should follow it, nor have I said we should praise muslims for playing it. The example of you rejecting our sporting culture but then criticising muslims for not adopting our cultures just highlights what a complete hypocrite you are when it comes to deciding what the cultural norms of this country are.

  27. Ray Dixon says:

    Oh and as for your lame & belated attempt to show you do appreciate *some* sporting “moments”, I see that once again you choose to rely on videos – ie the work of others. I’m only surprised you didn’t put up a Pickering cartoon of Cathy with a strap-on. You’ve probably got one stored on your computer somewhere – or on your toilet door.

  28. Iain Hall says:

    Fair Go Ray
    Like a lot of people GD is just pointing out that many people watch sport for its voyeuristic potential, and as a normal straight bloke I can fully appreciate where he is coming form, given the choice between watching thirty buff blokes ritualistically fighting over an inflated piece of leather or watching fit young women bouncing around in bikinis I’d go for the latter every time. You see I can’t help thinking that there is a lot of latent homosexual desire involved in the adoration of Football of any code from its predominately male fan base. Oh its well hidden by intense discussions about the nuances of the game but its certainly there as far as I can see.

    What is not to like about this?

    Compared to this?

    For this straight bloke its a no-brainer
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  29. Ray Dixon says:

    Iain, you’re missing my point. I’m not suggesting there’s anything wrong with GD (and you) being a non-sports fan or participant. I’m simply pointing out that’s it’s wrongheaded, hypocritical, patronising and condescending of GD to constantly bash immigrants for not adopting Aussie ‘culture’ when GD openly and shamelessly rejects a huge part of our cultural tradition & heritage himself, namely sport … and especially football.

    GD has no credibility in dictating what cultures our muslim immigrants should adopt. If they followed his example they’d all be boozers playing gigs in sleazy clubs & bars, taking the odd joint between sets (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

    As for the examples of muslim behaviours he cites as ‘unacceptable’, for every poorly behaved muslim example he puts up, I’ll show you ten poorly behaved Aussie born incidents. They’re no worse than us and in a lot of cases, they’re better citizens.

    Anyway, thanks for the clip of Nick Riewoldt getting ‘tunneled’ by a Sydney player. I remember the incident and he didn’t even get awarded the mark or a free kick for the clear infringement. We won the game though.

  30. Brian says:

    Personally I don’t think there’s such a thing as an “average Australian” or even an “Australian culture”. It varies from person to person and place to place. For this reason I always hear alarm bells when I hear alarmist ratbags like “GD” screaming about people being un-Australian or not assimilating. What credentials does he have to be dictating how people behave in this country? None from what I can tell. All he does is claim to speak on behalf of “most Australians”, which is both presumptuous and a lie.

    I read on the weekend that the ACB is trying to get a Pakistani asylum seeker a fast-tracked visa/citizenship because he’s a very good legspin bowler. You should get down to Jolimont and picket the ACB offices there, “GD”. This bloke might be a potential suicide bomber who won’t fit into Australian society.

  31. Ray Dixon says:

    I agree there’s no such thing as a genuine Australian culture and that we are an ever-evolving people and so be it. Once a country gets stuck in a set culture it tends not to change or grow – look at many European nations to prove that. Look at Indonesia, although they’re slowly becoming wesrternised, the great bulk of people are still poor and living ‘the old way’.

    But if anything defines Australia over and above our laissez faire, laid back way of life, it’s our love of sport. And of the beach. I bet GD doesn’t swim either – too many Lebos at Cronulla, eh?

  32. GD says:

    Thanks, Iain, for your comment. According to the other commenters it seems that not only can I not question immigration criteria, I also am not allowed to mock bone-headed sports.

    if anything defines Australia over and above our laissez faire, laid back way of life, it’s our love of sport

    Ray, I would have thought that our ‘laissez faire, laid back way of life’ was a far more accurate determination of Australian culture than the pastime of chasing balls around fields.

    I acknowledged Cathy Freeman’s astounding win at the 2000 Olympics, yet to be ‘Australian’ you insinuate I have to get excited by football?

    Give me a break!

    As for:

    As for the examples of muslim behaviours he cites as ‘unacceptable’, for every poorly behaved muslim example he puts up, I’ll show you ten poorly behaved Aussie born incidents. They’re no worse than us and in a lot of cases, they’re better citizens.

    You have no intention of backing up that claim, do you? You are merely mouthing platitudes to support your claim.

    Brian asks:

    What credentials does he have to be dictating how people behave in this country?

    Labor reckons they can dictate how we behave, think, write or express our opinions, but you’re ok with that. Just not with me expressing an opinion.

    All he does is claim to speak on behalf of “most Australians”, which is both presumptuous and a lie.

    When I suggest that ‘most Australians’ agree with me, I base it on the polls that show Labor, the Greens and the whole socialist regime are ‘on the nose’ in Australia and will be voted out.

    Is that enough for you?

  33. Ray Dixon says:

    I’ve explained it to you about 10 times, GD, that I am not insinuating you need to get “excited by football”. I’m saying the fact you’re not into sports in any real way demonstrates that you too don’t follow the norms of our society, yet you jump all over immigrants when they don’t conform to what YOU consider our cultural norms.

    But you knew that, didn’t you? And you’re just being stubbornly obtuse and, as usual, refusing to concede that your judgement is not the be all and end all. Another Aussie trait, GD, is honesty – and you’re not displaying much here.

  34. Brian says:

    Labor reckons they can dictate how we behave, think, write or express our opinions, but you’re ok with that.

    As it happens I’m not “OK with that”, but I’m also not concerned about it because it isn’t true. Your attempts to suggest that Labor is an evil mind-controlling socialist junta are just laughable. You sound like an hysterical old woman.

    When I suggest that ‘most Australians’ agree with me, I base it on the polls

    You must be joking. Electoral polls, such as they are, show only which way people are inclined to vote. Not only are they notoriously unreliable, they also don’t show what people are thinking. Yet from “the polls” you extrapolate and claim the right to speak on behalf of ‘most’ Australians? Like I said before, you’re as arrogant as you are dishonest or deluded.

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