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A Muslim Enclave In Australia? No. Bloody. Way!

Iain Hall:

To my mind the real test of their caveat would be if a Jew could actually buy into this estate, some how I doubt it though.
Cue the rabid left suggesting that any objections to this scheme are a consequence of “islamaphobia”
Cheers Comrades

Originally posted on The Red And The Blue:

IN A DISTURBING potential indication of things to come, the Murdoch press today carries a story about a Muslim housing estate being marketed in Riverstone, in Sydney’s north-west. This is not the Australian way, and such religion-based enterprises have no place in this country.

I have opined previously about the unacceptability of the creeping introduction of Islamic culture in Australia and its inappropriate nature viewed against some manifestations of its impact on mainstream Australian society.

And readers will recall, too, that this column is resolutely opposed to the introduction of Sharia law in Australia on any scale and in any way, shape or form.

With this in mind, I angrily read a piece in today’s edition of Sydney’s Daily Telegraph, which details a commercial plan that can only be designed to establish a dedicated Muslim-only enclave.

The company responsible for the development, Qartaba Homes, claims to be offering “the…

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91 Comments

  1. Brian says:

    That’s some “enclave”, about a dozen homes in a small suburban block. Plus the developers say it’s open to everyone, and that Muslim take-up of the offer has been poor. Another ‘story’ with a Muslim threat factor of 1% but a xenophobic fear factor of 99%.

  2. Iain Hall says:

    Sad to see that you were the one to fulfil my prediction Brian

  3. GD says:

    I expected nothing more from Brian :(

    That cosy little satellite enclave in Riverstone is just the start of Muslims spreading further afield, having already taken over Lakemba, Auburn and Bankstown. Note cute little mosque. And nice wide streets for the drive-by shootings. I wonder if they’ll make the local centrelink branch halal as well :)

  4. Brian says:

    It’s not that I support this idea per se. Frankly, I find the idea of housing estates for Muslims (or Jews or Catholics or whatever) to be offensive and ridiculous. Then again, we have Muslim and Catholic and Jewish schools, most of which receive public funding, so perhaps it’s not that ridiculous.

    In this case, however, if the size of that drawing is anything to go by, it’s so small as to be inconsequential. If you and your fellow paranoid “GD” are panicking over that, then you’re probably too frightened to leave your own home.

  5. GD says:

    I wonder if the community will have a Max Brenner shop?

  6. Ray Dixon says:

    Three words sum this up: STORM. TEA. CUP.

  7. GD says:

    How about a community just for Christians?

  8. Iain Hall says:

    Have you not heard the expression “the thin end of the wedge” Ray?

  9. Pamella says:

    Wake up Australians! This is just the beginning. This is first of many estates like this that will start popping up all over the Sydney metro. area.
    Living on the outskirts of Bankstown I experience first hand what will happen if these enclaves are allowed to be established. The suburbs are changed forever, and not for the better. Suburbs that were once nice, and no longer. Remember what Wiley Park, Lakemba, Auburn, Punchbowl and Bankstown were like? Nice suburbs with middle class Australians living proudly in them. Not any more. Unfortunately, the people who make comments on issues like this have no idea what they are talking about. God help this country of ours!

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  11. Ray Dixon says:

    How about a community just for Christians?

    And your point, GD, is … what exactly? There are already communities just for so-called Christians, or variations of the faith. They’re called sects or, sometimes, cults. Some of them are fine, well intentioned, function well and serve a good purpose without infringing on others’ way of life. Some are not so great. So again, what’s your point?

  12. GD says:

    Speaking of shops opening in this new Muslim community, I went to a Hungry Jacks store the other day. As I was ordering, two Muslim women walked in.

    I saw they had the most colourful garments from head-to-toe and I immediately thought to myself…

    “The burqas are better at Hungry Jacks”.

  13. GD says:

    There are already communities just for so-called Christians, or variations of the faith. They’re called sects or, sometimes, cults.

    Can you name some, or one, that has appropriated a suburban block, built a church, and made all the houses ‘non-halal’. See that is what Little Gaza in Riverstone is doing. All the houses are ‘halal’. It wouldn’t be too far removed to think that they wouldn’t sell to Jews or Christians who want to erect a church or synagogue in the same suburb.

    I look forward to your examples of Christian sects or cults taking over suburbs in Sydney.

  14. GD says:

    A visit to Lakemba, it’s not the Lakemba I remember. Islam has taken over a suburb and destroyed it.

    Check out 2.09 for the first example of idiocy. 3.11 shows outright retaliation against any subjugation of Muslim customs and laws.

    It gets worse. At 3.26 Rev. Nile says he doesn’t think we can bring in ancient customs such as cutting hands off thieves. A young bearded hot-head disagrees, saying practises such as that aren’t ancient and are ”what is most suitable for mankind’.

    There you have it. A Muslim import or a 2nd generation Muslim is pushing for Australian law and society to change to accommodate ancient heinous customs.

    Note that while the Muslim population in Australia is approximately 2%, in Lakemba it is 20%. Notice also how a long time Aussie resident of Lakemba responds to the Nile’s appearance in Lakemba.

    ‘You’re taking your life in your hands’, she says, telling him she has lived in Lakemba for forty years.

    This isn’t an acceptable situation in Sydney, or Australia.

    Having lived in the inner west for many years, I remember that Lakemba and Bankstown were once pleasant western suburb communities. Not as glamorous as Mosman or Vaucluse, but suburbs where you didn’t feel a stranger in your own country.

    That has changed, unfortunately for the worst. Drive-by shootings are rife these days. Whether in the name of the Sunni or Shi-ite sects, there can be no excuse for this behaviour in Australia. Labor and the lefty luvvies only pretend to agree, all the while pushing for further increased Muslim immigration.

    So Auburn, Bankstown and Lakemba have gone, Riverstone is next.

    Is the Labor Party insane?

    If a 2% national average and a 20% suburban Muslim population can affect whole communities to morph into no-go zones, why are we bringing more Middle Eastern people here? What is the benefit to our country? The wogs and dagos of the fifties shared our culture, religious faith and work ethic. Sixty years later it is clear that Muslim immigrants don’t even share the same work ethic.

    Back in the 1950s there was no welfare for the ‘reffos’. They worked on the Snowy Mountains Scheme or similar. Today, Afghani and other Muslims are granted Centrelink welfare immediately upon arriving in Australia. Especially if they arrive by boat.

    Boat people impostors who have paid tens of thousands of dollars to smugglers are rewarded with internet access, Android tablets and cigarettes. They then burn down their accommodation in protest against the lack of air-conditioning. Labor then settles them in Australia with government housing.

    Muslims stay on welfare far longer than other immigrants and rort the system with their ‘multiple wives’. It’s horrifying that Keysar Trad agrees with this practice.

    Meanwhile the figures for homeless people, ‘rough sleepers’, is up 17%, despite Kevin Rudd’s 2006 promise to halve homeless by 2020.

    How any sane person can vote for Labor at the next election is beyond me. Irrational fears and character disapproval about the leader of the opposition are infantile and childish.

    How anyone can vote for a continuance of this culturally, economically and ethically bereft ship of fools is indeed a halal sausage short of a halal barbie.

  15. Ray Dixon says:

    I look forward to your examples of Christian sects or cults taking over suburbs in Sydney

    We’re talking about a block of land in Sydney, GD, not an entire suburb. Anyway, I can give you an example of a similar (and larger scale) ‘Christians Only’ community that was established right here in the town of Bright where I live. It was called The Church of the First Born and was established on a 5 acre parcel of land in about the late 1970s. Members (or recruits) were typically young couples who had to buy in and build a home (which remained the property of the owner/sect leader). Rumour has it that their ‘First Born’ had to be sired by him too. It had its own Church, State recognised school and even took in visiting ‘pilgrims’ from all over the country. Most people in Bright thought it was a pretty weird and undesirable sect/christian cult and that the members were all being brainwashed but guess what? It didn’t “take over” the whole town or affect the rest of us in any way.

  16. Ray Dixon says:

    GD, your last long diatribe of a comment is about the most bigoted anti-muslim piece of rubbish I’ve ever read. I reckon it might even breach racial vilification laws, quite frankly.

    Muslim population can affect whole communities to morph into no-go zones, why are we bringing more Middle Eastern people here? What is the benefit to our country? The wogs and dagos of the fifties shared our culture, religious faith and work ethic.

    Bullshit. I grew up in Melbourne in the 50s & 60s and there were certainly enclaves of Italians & Greeks that took over entire suburbs. They didn’t “share” much with us at all and there were certainly more than a few “no-go zones”. And there were even bigots like you calling for a halt to the policy of importing “wogs”. Worked out alright though.

  17. Iain Hall says:

    Ray there are some very big differences culturally Between the predominately Christian Greeks and Italians and the middle eastern Muslims, The former have sought in inclusion in the mainstream Australian culture where as the latter seek to maintain their cultural separation because their faith teaches them to hold unbelievers in contempt.
    I tend to agree with you about the historical instances of people calling for restrictions upon the importing or “wogs” insofar as experience has shown that those Greeks and Italians have made excellent citizens of this country, however you can’t just assume that the same is/will be the case with the more recent cohorts of Middle Eastern migrants of the sort that GD alludes to in his comments.

  18. Ray Dixon says:

    There are ratbag elements in every cultural group, Iain. There were plenty among the Italians (heard of the Mafia?), the Vietnamese and even a lot of the British immigrants had ‘undesirable’ traits. There are a lot true blue Aussie borns who fall into that category too. Yet you & GD single out Middle Eastern immigrants chiefly, in my opinion, out of ignorance and prejudice.

    (Italians & Greeks) have sought in inclusion in the mainstream Australian culture where as (ME Muslims) seek to maintain their cultural separation because their faith teaches them to hold unbelievers in contempt.

    Bullshit. There were plenty of Italians & Greeks who made no attempt to assimilate and even today, you’ll find some who have lived here 40 years but can hardly speak a word of English. We even had one as our Mayor for 4 years – it was bizarre, a Mayor who you couldn’t understand!! While I’m giving local examples, there are whole enclaves of Italians around here who keep to their old ways, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    On the subject of religion, so you reckon the importation and proliferation of the Roman Catholic Church in our society was a good thing? There are a lot of abused people out there who will tell you otherwise.

    The point is, Iain, that there are good & bad elements in all societies, all cultures and you are not comparing apples with apples by comparing new arrivals to those who have been here for several generations. And what is making the situation worse and inflaming tensions (and instilling hatred) is comments like yours and GD’s, quite frankly. Just leave it alone and it’ll mend itself … although I still strongly recommend GD considers emmigrating to New Zealand.

    Yes, ME Muslims come from a different and more primitive culture but that does not mean they will not assimilate. Well in fact, plenty of them have. Take a drive to the regional city of Shepparton in Victoria one day and see what I mean. The muslims (who are there in significant numbers) are peaceful and they work, while the Aussies who relocated from Melbourne into public housing are by and large fat, lazy bludgers who account for most of the unfortunate violence in the area.

  19. Brian says:

    You can’t just assume that the same is/will be the case with the more recent cohorts of Middle Eastern migrants

    The Chinese came in the gold rush Iain, they haven’t taken over. The Pacific Islanders came in the late 1800s, they haven’t taken over. People from Mediterranean nations came after World War II, they haven’t taken over. The Vietnamese came in the 70s, they haven’t taken over.

    And the other common factor is that during each of these immigration waves, there were a small but vocal minority of bigots and ratbags who threatened that it would be the end of Australia and our ‘way of life’. Which didn’t happen then and it won’t happen in this instance.

  20. Ray Dixon says:

    GD, you should start talking like a Kiwi, seeing you might as well be living there. Try learning to say this: It won’t “hippen” overnight and it won’t “hippen” at all.

  21. Brian says:

    Not much point emigrating to NZ, they have Muslims there too:

    http://www.30-days.net/muslims/muslims-in/oceania/new-zealand/

    Maybe try Mongolia, “GD”, or possibly Antarctica. An even better idea would be to stop panicking and join the rest of us sensible people.

  22. Italians, Greeks, Vietnamese and other immigrants who have contributed to Australia seem to have a reasonable respect for human life.
    Followers of Islam do not. That’s the difference and that’s why Muslim-only ghettos must not be permitted to take root – although that’s probably far too last for Sydney’s west, anyway.

  23. Iain Hall says:

    Firstly welcome to may Sandpit Fiona :)
    I think that the difference between Islam and other faiths is that Islam promises paradise in the next life for those who kill in the name of Allah. The teaching very clearly teaches that this life is far less important than the next one in heaven. So when you are told that the glorious next life is superior to this one and that killing unbelievers is you ticket to eternal bliss is it a great surprise that a significant Muslim minority concentrated in one place may be problematic? Add to that a self talk message of victim-hood and you have the recipe for a minority who are programmed against social integration by their religion.

  24. GD says:

    there were plenty of Italians & Greeks who made no attempt to assimilate and even today, you’ll find some who have lived here 40 years but can hardly speak a word of English

    Oh Ray, you really are clutching at straws. Those Italians and Greeks and other immigrants from Christian countries aren’t the issue. Remember, they weren’t showered with welfare. They worked. And worked hard. The work ethic carried on to their children and to their children’s children. Of course the first generation of immigrants took time to assimilate.

    Contrast this with recent muslim immigration. Second and third generation muslims are violently protesting against Australian society. The Cronulla riots, the recent protests in Sydney urging muslims to ‘behead all infidels’, and the shocking video of the eight year old girl giving a speech in Bankstown praising jihardists are examples.

    Aside from overly generous welfare now afforded immigrants and refugees, the other difference between the Italians and Greeks in the fifties and the Middle Eastern influx of recent times is religion. As Iain said, it is undeniable that Islam has different values to our Christo-Judeo/secular society. It is Islamic belief and superstition that has prevented many young muslims from integrating into our ‘multi-cultural’ society. Three generations of fractiousness is a telling sign.

    Why is it that there are more Buddhists in Australia than Muslims, but it is the Muslims that can’t, or won’t, assimilate?

    So-called Christian sects or cults are minuscule in number and membership. They don’t have a world-wide following. As in the case of Jonestown, Waco and Heaven’s Gate, they are self-defeating. Any comparison is ludicrous.

    Added to the violent protests and maniacal outbursts from so-called ‘sheiks’, the other pivot in the muslim infiltration into Australia is Centrelink. Lakemba and Bankstown has the highest level of Centrelink ‘attendance’ in Sydney. Multiple wives are recognised by Centrelink. I wonder what the job search requirements are for a burqa clad woman?

    By all means turn away and say, ‘move along folks, nothing to see here’.

    I only hope you’re right.

    An interesting article and a shocking video.

  25. Brian says:

    The current unemployment rate across all Australians is 5.2%. The unemployment rate for Muslims, according to the 2011 Census, was 4.5%.

    You’re not just a hysterical bigot, “GD”, you’re also a poor researcher.

  26. Ray Dixon says:

    You’re out of your tree, GD. You’ve really talked yourself into it. You just don’t like the fact that the area you live in has changed. Well bad luck – move out and it’ll improve even further.

  27. Ian Robertson says:

    Ray. You’ve got no right to comment on Riverstone when you live in Bright you moron! You obviously haven’t had much to do with the Muslim community. that’s why you are an apologist for them. Just go away, your thoughts are not wanted or appreciated

  28. Iain Hall says:

    Ian Robertson
    Although I welcome new arrivals here I do like to point out that I do have commenting guidelines that asks everyone to play nice and to avoid personal attacks upon other commentators, so Play nice or your ticket will be revoked here.

  29. Ray Dixon says:

    You’ve got no right to comment on Riverstone when you live in Bright you moron!

    That’s an earlier contender for most idiotic comment of the year. Great start, “Robbo”.

  30. Brian says:

    The old “you don’t live here so you couldn’t possibly know” line.
    Ian and “GD” should get on well together.

  31. Iain Hall says:

    Realism and experience suggest that there is little that can compare to local knowledge Brian that anyone would think otherwise even in the internet age is something that I find surprising.

  32. Brian says:

    There’s a world of difference between someone with access to “local knowledge” and someone claiming that nobody is entitled to have an opinion about ‘X’ unless they live there.

  33. Iain, thank you for your welcome.

    Brian, your comment ” The unemployment rate for Muslims, according to the 2011 Census, was 4.5%.”

    I wonder if Centrelink would concur?

    I think GD has made valid points. Ray and Brian, trying to shoot the messenger is not exactly the way to win a debate. Cold, hard truth can sometimes be unpalatable.

    I am far from impressed with the slow creep of Islamification in this country. Don’t talk to me about Bowen. I am disgusted with him. Under his watch, there certainly has not been enough due diligence applied to the bona fides of those coming through the back door by the boatload, in my opinion. They have come through on a conveyor belt! Australia will rue the day she did not take note of what has been happening for years in countries such as the UK, Holland and France as they suffer the consequences of allowing mass Muslim migration.

    I resent any religion that finds it desirable to ram me back into the stone age. In this case, in the name of Allah. And I equally resent enclaves catering to Muslims only in this country. The idea is they are supposed to assimilate. But they prefer not to. Non-Muslims being infidels and all that.

    In my view, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

  34. Brian says:

    The unemployment rate for Muslims, according to the 2011 Census, was 4.5%. I wonder if Centrelink would would concur?

    I haven’t got the foggiest what Centrelink would say, and I doubt you do either. What are you suggesting, that thousands of Muslims conspired to distort the census figures by lying about their employment status, thus breaking the law?

    I think GD has made valid points. Ray and Brian, trying to shoot the messenger is not exactly the way to win a debate. Cold, hard truth can sometimes be unpalatable.

    “GD” drops in here on a daily basis to do his Chicken Little routine about Muslims taking over Australia, threatening Western civilisation, etc. Iain and others often join him. For the most part, he talks nonsense. “GD’s” ‘evidence’ usually consists of tabloid news stories and clips from A Current Affair. “Cold hard truths”? You must be joking.

    I resent any religion that finds it desirable to ram me back into the stone age. In this case, in the name of Allah. And I equally resent enclaves catering to Muslims only in this country. The idea is they are supposed to assimilate. But they prefer not to. Non-Muslims being infidels and all that.

    I’m not sure if you actually know any Muslims, Fiona, but I know a few. And none have treated me with anything other than respect and friendliness. They haven’t tried to convert me and they haven’t called me an infidel dog. The idea that Muslims are all closet jihadists with scimitars and grenades in their closets is ridiculous. And Muslims, like most of the ethnic groups which have immigrated here, will assimilate over time. It may take one or two generations, possibly three, but it will happen. Eventually their children will be just as Australian as you and I.

    In my view, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

    Then your view is wrong.

  35. GD says:

    Brian. It’s already been three generations who have failed to assimilate. Try and keep up. By the way, if you are going to negate my ‘local knowledge’ and personal associations (Pakistanis next door), it’s a bit brazen of you to claim authority over Fiona because you ‘know a few Muslims’ and you doubt that she does. Oh puh-lease.

    Brian also reckoned:

    The unemployment rate for Muslims, according to the 2011 Census, was 4.5%. You’re not just a hysterical bigot, “GD”, you’re also a poor researcher.

    No Brian, I said that ‘Lakemba and Bankstown has (sic) the highest level of Centrelink ‘attendance’ in Sydney’. Big difference. Perhaps you should take a break from researching and learn to read. :)

    Lakemba has an 11% unemployment rate while Bankstown has 10.9%. Contrast this to your across the board figure of 5.2% for all Australians. Big difference, huh?

    Ray reckoned:

    GD, your last long diatribe of a comment is about the most bigoted anti-muslim piece of rubbish I’ve ever read. I reckon it might even breach racial vilification laws, quite frankly.

    Gee Ray, perhaps you should read more. The majority of Australians agree with me, not the loony luvvies of the left. And while you’re at it, I suppose you should report me to the Ministry of Truth. Or to Nicola Roxon’s Department of Newspeak.

    And thanks, Fiona, for your sane, rational and lucid reply. It makes a great change from the mindless and abusive left-wing comments I usually hear around here.

  36. Brian says:

    Brian. It’s already been three generations who have failed to assimilate.

    Bullshit. According to the census (yes, those pesky facts again) only 38% of Australian Muslims were born in Australia, and most of those are first generation Australians, not second or third. That means the vast majority of Muslims here have only come in the last 20 years or less. Yet another great “GD” theory bites the dust.

    By the way, if you are going to negate my ‘local knowledge’ and personal associations (Pakistanis next door), it’s a bit brazen of you to claim authority over Fiona because you ‘know a few Muslims’ and you doubt that she does. Oh puh-lease.

    I didn’t doubt anything, I simply said that I’m not sure if she does. There’s quite a difference, so perhaps it’s you who needs the reading lessons. Actually scrap that, we already know you do, after that ridiculous piece claiming that Andy Muirhead was handed a get-out-of-jail-free card by the ALP. And where is old Andy now?

    Lakemba has an 11% unemployment rate while Bankstown has 10.9%. Contrast this to your across the board figure of 5.2% for all Australians. Big difference, huh?

    Yes, and it proves nothing. Those figures are across the board and not isolated to Muslims. There are comparable figures in parts of Melbourne and Brisbane populated by non-Muslims. The higher unemployment figures in parts of western Sydney might just as well be related to a lack of economic development, insufficient industries, low educational status, poor literacy levels, etc. than ethnic or religious causes. Yet you continually cite a couple of problem suburbs in a pretty cheap attempt to convince us that Muslims everywhere are lazy dole bludgers.

    And thanks, Fiona, for your sane, rational and lucid reply. It makes a great change from the mindless and abusive left-wing comments I usually hear around here.

    A bigot always sounds sane and rational to another bigot, “GD”.

  37. “A bigot always sounds sane and rational to another bigot, “GD”.” Thank you for your assessment, Brian. Trying to flame me is a waste of your time. I’ve eaten people like you for breakfast in a past life. However, I have no intention of spoiling Iain’s site by continuing to enter into further dialogue with you, suffice to say you wear your group-think badge with honour and you show all the characteristics of somebody who frequently loses arguments due to the sheer foolishness of their commentary. A trait typical of some of the less than sophisticated Left-leaning posters.

  38. Brian says:

    I’ve eaten people like you for breakfast in a past life.

    So you’re not just a bigot, you’re a bigot with a gross over-estimation of your own importance. How very boring.

  39. GD says:

    No Brian, she was a cannibal in her past life who ate up pompous, patronising pricks for breakfast. Beware, she’s back again!

  40. GD says:

    Brian, you are nothing if not entertaining. I’d bet London to a brick that the Census statistics of unemployed muslims, in the western suburbs, doesn’t agree with the number of Centrelink’s muslim customers. Multiple wives, children from extended families, yet you can’t see a problem here. There is a reason for those 11% and 10% figures in Bankstown and Lakemba, and it is not a handful of peaceful Hindu or Buddhist immigrants inflating that figure to double that of the norm in Australia. It is because this rampant and relentless program of Islamic immigration encouraged by the Labor/Greens Party has led to an uptake of welfare twice that of the rest of Australia.

    Muslims, you are doing us proud :(

    How about doing something to actually make us proud, rather than proselytising young Aussies to extoll ‘physical warfare’ against western nations, including Australia.

  41. Brian says:

    No Brian, she was a cannibal in her past life who ate up pompous, patronising pricks for breakfast. Beware, she’s back again!

    I’m as wary of her as I am of you. Which is to say, not very. A blundering clown (that’s you) and a blowhard don’t concern me too much.

    I’d bet London to a brick that the Census statistics of unemployed muslims, in the western suburbs, doesn’t agree with the number of Centrelink’s muslim customers. Multiple wives, children from extended families, yet you can’t see a problem here.

    Ah yes, the statistics are wrong because they don’t tally with your personal prejudices. What a rational argument. You don’t win debates or convince people by stomping your feet and failing to produce evidence, “GD”.

    It is because this rampant and relentless program of Islamic immigration encouraged by the Labor/Greens Party has led to an uptake of welfare twice that of the rest of Australia.

    And where is the evidence for that high “uptake of welfare”? Try to produce something credible, not a wingnut blog or a clip from A Current Affair.

  42. Damian says:

    This will all make sense when GD uses his/her real name.

  43. rjryan says:

    Does GD live in a kibbutz?

  44. GD says:

    Ah, Damian, you’re onto me :)

  45. GD says:

    Richard, seems you had a busy day yesterday, putting on your floppy clown shoes and visiting right wing blogs, asking people if they ‘live in a kibbutz.’ What have you got for us today? More boring diatribe about Howard and Bush? Or more from your new love affair with anti-semitism? You’re wearing those clown shoes out with your attendance at blogs you profess to hate. Perhaps you should join a kibbutz, oops, that would mean you would have to work. How about living in a souk, that could really test your allegiance to all things Islam.

    But of course, coward as you are, criticising the West and Australia is easier while reaping the benefits of living in Australia. Did you watch the video I posted? That strapping young Aussie with the full Muslim beard could be a role model for you. After all, you’re both leaches sucking off the freedom that Australia offers while promoting totalitarian regimes and medieval religion.

    Shalom my arse.

  46. rjryan says:

    I think GD has got a gripe about Muslims, as for ” Shalom my arse” no thanks. I have heard stories about, do the Police know you are here?

  47. Ray Dixon says:

    The highest unemployed/social welfare* stats in Victoria come from the regional towns where the Baillieu Govt has relocated white Aussie bludgers into cheap public housing. Places like Mooroopna. The muslims in those areas (and there are plenty of them) are practically fully employed. Geezus you’re a bigot, GD.

    (* You need to include those on dubious disability & single parent pensions too if you’re going to be genuine)

  48. GD says:

    Do you have statistics to back that up, Ray?

  49. Ray Dixon says:

    No, GD, I’m not writing a white paper – I’m just being fair-minded and realistic, unlike you. However, next time I’m in Mooroopna/Shepparton (which will be too bloody soon for me), I’ll go around and take a f*cking survey for you. Maybe I’ll even shoot some footage of one of the white trash residents talking about his bong habit and how he’s passed it on to his white trash out-of-work no-hoper son. And then I’ll put it on youtube. And then I’ll put it up here as “proof”, GD style.

  50. Brian says:

    Do you have statistics to back that up, Ray?

    What’s the point of producing statistics? You and your fellow bigot on this thread just claim they are wrong or skewed. You’d rather see an ACA video or an article from the Daily Telegraph. Or a Larry Pickering cartoon maybe. When you want evidence you’ll look for credible sources and statistics. When you want panic, you’ll go to panic merchants and xenophobes.

  51. GD says:

    The highest unemployed/social welfare* stats in Victoria come from the regional towns where the Baillieu Govt has relocated white Aussie bludgers into cheap public housing. Places like Mooroopna. The muslims in those areas (and there are plenty of them) are practically fully employed.

    That’s fair-minded and realistic? FFS.

  52. Ray Dixon says:

    It’s far more fair-minded and more in keeping with reality than the anecdotal crap you keep giving us about your Pakistani neighbour, GD. FFS.

  53. GD says:

    Ray, my comments on this thread aren’t based on one Pakistani neighbour, even though he does exist. However, your imaginary full employment of Muslims is ridiculous in the extreme. BTW when you do go to Mooroopnastan, perhaps you could ask the burqa clad women and the pyjama wearing men where they work? That’s even if they exist. The Lakemba and Bankstown Chambers of Commerce would be most interested in hearing about your imaginary solution to the massive muslim unemployment they experience in their area.

  54. GD says:

    Ray said:

    The highest unemployed/social welfare* stats in Victoria come from the regional towns where the Baillieu Govt has relocated white Aussie bludgers into cheap public housing.

    Whoa, Ray, hang on a minute. I thought you said that the Labor government was here to look after those less fortunate than the rest of us, those that can’t make the effort, or those who fall through the cracks. Yet here you are denigrating just those Aussies who need housing. Where should they live?

    And you’re also taking a shot at Ballieu. As far as I’m aware, public housing in Victoria has been spread across many demographic areas. Which do you want? Send your labor voting white Aussie bludgers to the Boondocks or send a few to be next-door neighbours of your establishment?

    So much for your Labor concern for the common man.

    Yet, strangely, you’re all heart for Muslims, who have not the slightest interest in your ‘common man’.

  55. GD says:

    Satisfied, folks? How many Buddhist, Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Anglican, athiest or agnostic protests have we seen in Australia in the last two hundred years? None. This is not the first Muslim protest of its type, but it is yet another protest from just 2% of the population.

    If this is what they do at 2%, with Joolia’s massive immigration influx, what can we look forward to? Add to that the higher birthrate of middle eastern children opposed to Caucasian children and you have a recipe for either a changed neighbourhood or a disaster.

    And this is OK by you?

  56. Brian says:

    I know things like facts and statistics are meaningless annoyances to you, “GD”, but 200 protesting dickheads is not “2% of the population”. Nor can they possibly be indicative of 2% of the nation, any more than 200 drunken bikers would be indicative of the Anglo-Saxon majority.

    Frankly I find those signs and some of that behaviour offensive, and a good number of those idiots should be shipped back from whence they came. But only a moron or a bigot looks at a small sample like that and claims it is indicative of 380,000 people.

    Add to that the higher birthrate of middle eastern children opposed to Caucasian children

    You’ll have evidence for that too, won’t you? Bollocks you will.

  57. Ray Dixon says:

    Just because I believe a wealthy country like Australia must support its less fortunate and/or ‘drones’ doesn’t preclude me from labelling some of them as white Aussie trash bludgers, GD. What’s your point? You might go out into the streets of Lakemba and see burqas but go out into the streets of Wodonga and you’ll see 17-year-old white Aussie trash single mums (with another one on the way) waiting at the bus stop with all the other white trash that Baillieu has exported from Melbourne. Where should they live? Well, Ted could build more public housing on the existing inner-city public housing land the govt holds but he’d rather sell it off to his wealtthy developer mates so they can build up-market apartments and make a killing. This is Kennett-selling-off-the-schools-to-developers all over again; Victoria’s new slogan = “Victoria – The land deals State”.

    And I’m not “all heart for muslims”, I’m saying there are proportionately far more Aussie born ‘bludgers’ on various forms of welfare, yet your bigotry makes you single out muslims.

  58. GD says:

    Ray, the difference is we aren’t importing these ‘drones’, as you so correctly label them, but we are importing drones from other countries who are simply here for our welfare system and awesome lifestyle. Why you and Labor think that we owe the world a living is beyond me. Remember there are forty two million refugees in the world today. How many can Australia accommodate?

    Gillard and Co. seem to think it is endless, more votes for labor, more drones for welfare, and more taxes from those who actually produce the wealth.

    Apparently you’re happy with this. May I suggest a visit to Blacktown, NSW and then imagine that it is Bright. Welcome to multi-culti state welfare. Africans and Muslims, sitting in coffee shops at all times of day, while you work hard at earning a living. It will be three generations before this mess is sorted out. That’s three generations of institutionalised welfare, a massive bill for the working nation, all in the name of a misguided attempt by the government to achieve a ‘multi-cultural’ utopia.

    Pigs arse!

  59. GD says:

    Frankly I find those signs and some of that behaviour offensive, and a good number of those idiots should be shipped back from whence they came.

    So let me get this right, Brian, you are pretty much in agreement with me, that’s pretty cool. Now all I have to do is produce some figures for you. Let’s start with 200 out of 380,000. It doesn’t sound like a lot, but it is comprised of a lot of angry young men. Forget the bikies for a minute, they really aren’t representative of the community, however what is the usual percentage of protesters from any demographic? How many protesters, out of the total population of Australia, demonstrated against the war in Vietnam? What was that percentage?

    I’d say that two hundred angry Muslim men in the CBD constitutes considerable concern.

    As for the birthrate:

     In New South Wales, where the largest Muslim population lives, Muslim-Australians constituted 2.5% of the total state population (ABS Census, 2007).
     Within New South Wales, over 50% of the Muslim population lived almost entirely within a radius of fifty kilometres of Sydney, making Sydney the most concentrated Muslim population in Australia (ABS Census, 2002, 2007).
    This steady increase has been mainly attributed to immigration; however, high birth rates have also contributed to the rapid increase in the Muslim population. The table below prepared by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade in 2004 using 2001 Census data shows that the Muslim birth rate in Australia is a significant factor towards Muslim population growth. Also, it shows that Muslims in Australia are increasing at an unprecedented rate from within. If this trend in the Muslim-Australian population growth continues, it is possible that the second-and third-generation Muslim populace could gradually expand over the years signalling an important factor in Australia’s social, economic, and political reality.
    Table 2: Australian Muslims – country/region of origin. Source: Census 2006.

    Did you get that?

    I’ll run it by you again. The salient points are:

    high birth rates have also contributed to the rapid increase in the Muslim population

    it shows that Muslims in Australia are increasing at an unprecedented rate from within

    If this trend in the Muslim-Australian population growth continues, it is possible that the second-and third-generation Muslim populace could gradually expand over the years signalling an important factor in Australia’s social, economic, and political reality

    Pretty much what I was saying huh?

  60. rjryan says:

    Australia will be an Islamic State within twenty years. Shalom, Richard Ryan.

  61. Iain Hall says:

    That is a very bold claim Richard, care to explain how that will come to pass and tell us why you think it to be a good thing?

  62. Ray Dixon says:

    So what do you want to do, GD, deport them or sterilise them?

  63. Ray Dixon says:

    Australia will be an Islamic State within twenty years

    I think Richard is pulling your leg, Iain, and sending up your resident bigot, scaremongerer and western-suburbs-are-overrun-with-muslims zealot, GD.

  64. Iain Hall says:

    Oh Ray I think that Richard is totally serious and he dreams of his prediction coming to fruition because then his hateful view of western society will be the norm rather than the exception.

  65. Brian says:

    So let me get this right, Brian, you are pretty much in agreement with me, that’s pretty cool.

    Oh I’m fully in agreement with you about Islam. As I’ve said before here, much of Islam is a dark medieval cult propagated by a few desert nomads, that harbours backward thinking, superstition, misogyny and homophobia. I just don’t agree with your nonsensical claims that Muslims are taking over Australia and in 50 years we’ll all be speaking Arabic and practising Sharia law.

    Let’s start with 200 out of 380,000. It doesn’t sound like a lot, but it is comprised of a lot of angry young men.

    200 doesn’t sound like a lot because it isn’t a lot. As for them being “angry young men”, so what? What other demographic do you usually see at rowdy protests? Frustrated old grandmothers?

    Forget the bikies for a minute, they really aren’t representative of the community

    Exactly. Yet you would have us believe that 200 protesting thugs are representative of 380,000 Muslims.

    How many protesters, out of the total population of Australia, demonstrated against the war in Vietnam?

    I have no idea offhand but I do recall that there was 100,000 people at the Melbourne moratorium march. Out of a population of 15 million, that’s about 0.7 percent. And 200 Muslims out of 380,000 is about 0.01 percent. I’m not sure what this proves, if anything.

    I’d say that two hundred angry Muslim men in the CBD constitutes considerable concern.

    Only if you shit the bed at the mere mention of the word “Muslim”. More concerning to me is the kind of signs and slogans they were using. But no matter, I suspect ASIO and the AFP have most or all of them on the watchlist now, so perhaps they did us all a favour. That’s the thing about our radical Muslims. Not only are they small in number, they are too stupid to be terrorists.

    f this trend in the Muslim-Australian population growth continues, it is possible that the second-and third-generation Muslim populace could gradually expand over the years signalling an important factor in Australia’s social, economic, and political reality

    Of course they’ll gradually expand. We should expect that of any ethnic or religious group who emigrates here. That’s why they come in the first place: to raise families. The question is whether they adjust to Australian life or Australia adjusts to suit them. Of course we should encourage the first and resist the second. Short of that, the only options are the two suggested by Ray: ban all Muslim immigration (and make us a pariah state) or bring in forced sterilisation (and make us a pariah state).

  66. Ray Dixon says:

    That’s the thing about our radical Muslims. Not only are they small in number, they are too stupid to be terrorists.

    Precisely – there’s not a lot to fear from muslim immigration. GD’s ranting against them seems solely based on the fact his lovely Western Sydney has changed from the way he remembers (and wants) it. Stiff shit – nothing stays the same. Maybe GD should have bought into the inner-eastern suburbs when it was not trendy and when it was ultra affordable. He probably would have but back then it was crawling with “wogs” … so he moved to the burbs.

  67. GD says:

    You assume a lot, Mr Dixon :(

  68. Ray Dixon says:

    I “assume” you hate muslims because they’ve moved into your area, GD. That seems entirely self evident.

  69. michael says:

    They come here with nothing and expect everything while auspices are living on the streets they are comfortable that is bullshit and must be stopped our government is weak

  70. Scott says:

    WOW…I live in Riverstone, and just received a letter about the proposed Muslim enclave, I was shocked, then I started looking on the net on how to stop this and found this.

    Ray Dixon, pull your head in mate. How about we put one right next door to where your living and see how you go.

    Scary stuff. Find a Muslim person and talk to them about what their plans are for Australia, I am sure we’d all be shocked….

  71. Ray Dixon says:

    Scott, there’s a large vacant lot of Res 1 land right opposite my place of about 6 acres. It has river frontage and the owner presently uses it to graze beef cattle (right in the town!) but you’ve just given me a great idea. I might see if I can convince him to sell some it off to me (it’s in parcels) and then I’ll develop a concept plan and approach the local muslim community leaders to see if they’re interested in a little muslim estate. This could be quite profiitable and I’m sure the inhabitants of my upmarket ‘enclave’ would make fine neigbours. Thanks.

  72. Iain Hall says:

    Ray
    I bet that your business would suffer substantially if they built a mosque across the road with call to prayer five times a day…

  73. Ray Dixon says:

    How? I don’t think they’d be allowed to broadcast it via a loud speaker system or the like – they wouldn’t get a permit for that. Not to my knowledge. Excessive noise is a legitimate objection and can be controlled by planning conditions.

  74. Iain Hall says:

    Are you sure?
    with the shire council that you have I bet they would be glad to allow it just to piss you off!

  75. Ray Dixon says:

    Well maybe, Iain, if it were just me, but in this town they object to anything and believe me, if a Mosque were proposed here we’d become known as the new Camden.

  76. danny says:

    i am appaled at our government here in australia,,, & to all the do gooders here in oz,, you all bag out christians for preaching in the streets yet its funny how its us christians who are constantly praying for the safety & prosperity of this nation its us christians that consistently help those in need all around the world & are planting churches to help those oppresed/ ruined by these islamic cults yet no one stands up when our missionaries are beheaded /churches bombed instead you happily welcome islamic teaching into this god blessed nation you happily neglect churches beacuse they talk about money but it doesnt phase you that islam wants to destroy your freedom,,this nation is blessed because of being a christian nation & because we are in alliance with israel .yet alot australians have the i dont give a s–t attitude i do what makes me happy- go to the pub drink beer get smashed party have no consequence or sacrifice for the next generations of young australians,, what would happen if our courts had a koran instead of a bible,-there would be no human compassion whatsoever -instead bloodshed,if u stole bread to feed your kids you wouldnt recieve compassion /help but would have your hand cut off wake up australia— what do hold dearly your wallets or your future???

  77. Ray Dixon says:

    Danny ….. Nalliah?

  78. Richard Ryan says:

    Danny Nalliah, Australia’s Lord Monckton.

  79. GD says:

    Ray reckoned:

    if a Mosque were proposed here we’d become known as the new Camden

    And Camden is entirely correct in protecting its cultural history. Why aren’t Islamists building schools in the Middle East? While their ideology is antithetical to our way of life, they manage to find it easier to proselytise from the safety of our welfare payments, at the expense of the Australian government and its taxpayers.

    And Australian lefties, luvvies and loonies lap it up in the name of multiculturalism.

    Thankfully, these lefties are in the minority.

  80. Ray Dixon says:

    Camden’s cultural history? Wow.

  81. Brian says:

    “GD” is still crapping on about Muslims all being on the dole, even though there are no figures that attest to that.
    As for “danny”, I have no idea what he/she is blathering about.

  82. Iain Hall says:

    Brian
    I don’t quite understand Danny’s point either but I’m rather laid back about what comments that I will allow.

  83. Brian says:

    No issue from me, Iain. It’s your party so you decide what’s on the buffet.
    What’s your take on the resignation of the pope?

  84. Iain Hall says:

    Its interesting Brian I may well write about it soon

  85. Ray Dixon says:

    It’s unlikely to happen but I’m pushing for George Pell to be the new Pope. At least it’d get him out of Australia.

  86. Richard Ryan says:

    Yeah, I second that, and Abbott can be his ” altar boy”. snigger-snigger. Amen.

  87. Richard Ryan says:

    GD would love the Vatican—no Muslims there——pedophiles not so sure.

  88. Ray Dixon says:

    “Pell, Pell, vote like hell”.

  89. GD says:

    “Pell, Pell, vote like hell”

    Catchy slogan that, Ray. Sort of reminds me of that other catch phrase, “Burn in Hell, burn in Hell”, you know, that one muslims shouted at a recent atheist convention.

    Seems like you want Pell out of the country, but are happy to welcome social misfits such as Sheik Hilali (courtesy your hero, Keating) and homegrown Sheik Feiz.

    Perhaps you could recognise the good the Catholic Church has brought to Australia before you begin mocking an institution that provides care for the homeless, aids sufferers and those living in poverty. The Catholic Church also provides housing for refugees. Here is just one example. The Refugee Resettlement Committee is a not-for-profit Parish based organisation run by volunteers. It is politically independent and is not reliant on government aid. Running costs are met from funds raised within the community.

    While the issue of pedophilia needs urgent addressing, this doesn’t mean that we throw the baby out with the bath-water. To this day, the Catholic church has provided services that no government or fringe activists such as the Greens are prepared to offer. Leftists bemoan support for the needy, the homeless and refugees, yet leave it to others to provide that support. The Catholic church, in many instances, provides that support, despite leftard derision and mockery.

  90. Richard Ryan says:

    Is not Tony Abbott a Catholic? Roman Catholic=PEDOPHILE. In GDs eyes Catholics good good. MUSLIMS, bad bad bad, coz Iain told me so, and I am on his payroll,and he gets me gigs.

  91. Ray Dixon says:

    You can defend the Catholic Church as much as you like, GD, but I was talking about its rotten leader out here, one George Pell, who seems like no christian to me and has been involved in the cover up of child abuse. As for the general benevolence of the Church, there are plenty of charitable organisations doing the same in order to qualify for the tax-free status. That doesn’t make them any better or worse. The fish rots from the head down, GD, and if you think Pell is a shining light of decency, that says more about you.

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