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“Forgive them father, for they know not what they do”

Another  climate change conference has ended without agreement, like just who could have seen that coming? These Synods of the Green faith are ever thus. Their priests sing the usual elements of the liturgy and give the faithful the fire and brimstone  prophecies that are the staple of this religion but their conversion rate is very low indeed these days. Of course there are always a couple of fools who jump up in their seats and shout Hallelujah very loudly in an attempt to convince themselves as much as anyone else that they are such pious followers of the true faith but when even the majority of the faithful are more reticent as the value  of such meetings becomes even more evident.

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We all want to live in a cleaner world, a world where humanity steps lightly enough upon the earth that our civilisation  will be sustainable and enduring but this pernicious Green religion will never achieve that because it is intrinsically misanthropic and it relies too much upon misleading memes  like the labelling of Carbon dioxide as a pollutant which leads to some rather convoluted and erroneous arguments  that draw false comparisons about the nature of our impacts upon the planet.

Ah well maybe we should be a little more forgiving for such foolishness, as someone is reported to have said “forgive them father, for they know not what they do”

Sigh  very much, Comrades

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30 Comments

  1. busby777 says:

    Do you know what they call a planet when its climate stops changing? They call it “dead”.

  2. Iain Hall says:

    Yes that is a good Point Tessa ;)

  3. busby777 says:

    :cool:

  4. deknarf says:

    You know what they call people that can no longer survive in extreme climatic conditions — ‘dead’
    The data shows a high probability of Antropogenic Global Warming and more recent data shows that the rate of warming is increasing. Should the permafrost release the methane stored in it you will see what real climate change is all about.
    Even basic common sense in such circumstances suggests at least invoking the precautionary principle before climate change and increasing global temperatures become unmanageable.
    It may not affect you because you, like me, will not be around in 50 years. But it will certainly affect your siblings and their grandchildren. AGW is a great legacy to leave them, eh?

  5. busby777 says:

    my ancestors survived the Medieval Warming Period, and I will survive this coming Ice Age, as did my distant ancestors

  6. Iain Hall says:

    Deknarf
    There is a big difference between acting on the precautionary principle when the precautions that you are taking have the potential to be of value if the events you are worried about actually happen, however if the things you do are not going to give you any benefit in that worst case scenario then it is no precaution you are taking is misguided magical thinking that tries to do the pious thing to buy the indulgence of the deity.
    If I can use a motoring analogy.
    Imagine that you drive a Ford and you discover that it lacks a spare wheel the guy down at “Spiv and Sons” tells you that he has a really great wheel that comes off a Lamborghini its expensive but very pretty and you lay your credit card down and buy that pretty wheel even though you know that the wheel won’t fit your Ford. Now you have acted on the precautionary principle of buying a spare wheel but how useful will the wheel that you have bought , at great expense, be when you have a flat tyre?

  7. busby777 says:

    or to extend a sports analogy, does the football player really win because he wore his blue socks again today, or is he going to end up with a severe case of athlete’s foot from wearing the same pair of socks every day?

  8. Iain Hall says:

    :lol:
    Tessa, hmm athletes foot now there is an analogy to ponder!

  9. deknarf says:

    Not a good analogy at all Iain!

  10. deknarf says:

    Busby I wasn’t talking about you I was talking about your children and grandchildren. And, I’d suggest that you don’t both buying any cold weather gear!

  11. deknarf says:

    Oops busby that a ‘bother’ not a ‘both’. We’re missing and ‘er’ there!

  12. deknarf says:

    bubsy777. The evidence has been around for years that the underlying cause of Global Warming has been anthropogenic in nature, evidence to hand suggests that climate change is happening more rapidly than expected. Should the thawing of the permafrost continue to increase we will see a runaway effect sooner than anticipated as all the stored methane is released into the atmosphere. Even implementing the precautionary principle makes sound sense now. I’ve made comment on the issue previously. Hopefully I’ll get around to doing another on the more recent evidence soonish.

    http://deknarf.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/en-passant-8-climate-change-sceptics-conspiracy-theories/

    http://deknarf.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/food-for-thought-13-climate-change-the-elephant-in-the-room/

    http://deknarf.wordpress.com/2011/07/20/food-for-thought-3-spaceship-earth-%e2%80%93-%e2%80%98houston-we-have-a-problem/

  13. Iain Hall says:

    I disagree about the worth of my analogy Deknarf, the point being that we can create the most beautiful and intricate scheme to address the emissions from human activity, but if it has absolutely no effect (IE the wheel won’t fit) then we are have wasted an awful lot of money for nothing haven’t we?

  14. deknarf says:

    Here’s a better one Iain: You build a house in a fire prone area and whilst building it you pay a bit more and install a below ground cellar which, while being a nice space to store things in a cool place, also doubles as a refuge from a bushfire. You may never use it but if the circumstances arise there’s your refuge from the fire.
    The precautionary principle for Global Warming is transiting from a carbon based energy use to that of renewables. The benefits are that emissions are reduced and the carbon you are so busy converting to carbon dioxide (thereby heating the planet) can be used for chemicals feedstock, which incidentally has a higher value in it that converting fuels purely to energy.

  15. Iain Hall says:

    The problem with your analogy is that the cellar would probably not save your life in a fire and your chances of dying from either suffocation or smoke inhalation would still be very high, indeed In fact if you really want to design with bushfire survival in mind then there are far better ways that adding a potentially lethal cellar, things like sprinkler systems and selective clearing around your house, having gutters that can not fill with leaves the lest is endless but if you spend your money on the wrong thing like your cellar you will be wasting that cash and unable to afford the far more useful rooftop sprinkler system or fuel for the chainsaw to clear around your house and make it truly safe if that bushfire comes ;)

  16. deknarf says:

    Now that’s a much better analogy, much more analogous to the AGW precautionary principle I’d say! ;-)

  17. Iain Hall says:

    Well as I see it we have too many people advocating the digging of cellars and not enough considering the value of sprinklers…

  18. deknarf says:

    Hmm! I’d suggest that we have too many people with their heads in the sand denying that AGW is a real phenomena! ;-)

  19. Simon says:

    If humans have impacted the climate and environment of Earth – be it the chopping down of the great forests, the damming of river systems, or releasing carbon monoxide and dioxide in to the atmosphere, I think there’s no stopping the damage being done as you’ll never get China, India or Brazil to agree to the demands of other Western counties who have already been through their industrial revolutions with gay abandon. So we might as well try and predict what the future change might mean (food supply problems, lack of oil, increased demands on the electricity network) and work towards national solutions.

  20. Iain Hall says:

    Yep you have hit the nail squarely on the head there Simon

  21. deknarf says:

    Let you into a secret, China is already moving to reduce its dependence on carbon based fuels. Currently one of the biggest manufacturers of solar panels worldwide.

  22. Iain Hall says:

    Deknarf

    Let you into a secret, China is already moving to reduce its dependence on carbon based fuels. Currently one of the biggest manufacturers of solar panels worldwide.

    we both know that the only reason China is mass manufacturing solar panels is so that the can export them to the countries that have this mania for “Renewable” energy

  23. deknarf says:

    It’s in China’s own interest to reduce its dependence on carbon based fuels. They may not do it in our timeframe but 5 will get you 10 that they will be at the front of the pack when the poo hits the proverbial Global Warming fan!

  24. Iain Hall says:

    Well they will certainly be making a quid out of the AGW true believers around the world while they use the cheapest energy that they can get.

  25. deknarf says:

    Eeek! That response was faster than a speeding pullet! If that’s the case you have to ask why it is that we Australians are paying exorbitant prices for electricity when we have an abundance of cheap coal. And it’s not the Carbon Levy — we were paying exorbitant prices well before that!

  26. Iain Hall says:

    Well I am here with the admin page open so as soon as you comment is posted this little orange flag comes up on my tool bar and I can type faster than a speeding pullet….

  27. GD says:

    speeding pullet?

  28. Iain Hall says:

    That is a very fast young chicken GD :grin:

  29. Ray Dixon says:

    I think a “speeding pullet” means a quick jerk off.

  30. Iain Hall says:

    Ray that is a fowl pun!

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