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When my baby smiles at me I go to Rio…. Another boat sinks with as many as 90 feared drowned

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This is a sad example of just why the Age and Fairfax in general are so biased. I ask you on what planet is a tragedy 200k north   “near” to or “off” Christmas island?  Its nearer to Indonesia and within its rescue zone but you can bet London to a brick that the usual suspects will be rushing to insist that we should immediately fly all survivors to Australia and put them up at the Hilton before they are all given a fast track to t residency every other economic reason that led them to their foolhardy voyage …

That said who has blood on her hands here?

Hint she is enjoying the delights of Rio at present…

with respect for the dead  Comrades

 


39 Comments

  1. PHILLTHEDILL says:

    Comrade, I posted a a blog last night about boat people. I want to stop people coming here on boats just for the reason that the voyage is too dangerous.

    Cheers
    The Dill

  2. Yes, Gillard does share some responsibility for this disaster. She was the one who drafted this policy as Shadow Immigration Miniser and supported its implementation under Rudd. Since then, her stance has been ‘anything but Nauru’ because Nauru would be an admission of total failure.

    But Rudd is arguably the biggest culprit, as it was on his watch in 2008 that the changes to the laws put the people smugglers back in business in 2008. Somehow, he is never held to account for that.

    I must say Tony Abbott also shares some responsibility. He should have put politics to one side after the Malaysian solution was quashed by the High Court and worked through an agreement with the government. I think he would have increased in stature if he had shown himself to be the bigger person and allowed the Malaysian solution to be tried. It would have shown that he puts border protection and the lives of boat people first. He would have looked Prime Ministerial.

    So I think either side of politics comes out of this smelling like roses. They share responsibility for this disaster.

  3. deknarf says:

    Might I suggest that had Phoney Tony and the NO Coalition signed off on the deal offered to them by Labor, we might not have seen this happen again. For political gain Phoney and the NO Coalition prevented a reasonable solution and put lives at risk. It would seem to me that any blame should be put squarely at the feet of Phoney (aka the dumb obstructionist capuchin [Keating]) and a bunch of venal, ‘grab power using any means possible’ bunch of politicians (aka the NO Coalition).

  4. Craigy says:

    Suggest a good read of this for some perspective Iain.

    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2011-2012/RefugeeResettlement

    I think Indonesia could be doing much more. Why are both major parties so reluctant to criticise Indonesia? It isn’t a money issue, we already help them with costs, and it all seems so political.

    It is so sad that people have to risk their lives while we play silly politics.

    Good to see Leon being balanced for once, although I disagree with Nauru (or any off shore processing as a deterrent).

  5. Iain Hall says:

    Leon

    I must say Tony Abbott also shares some responsibility. He should have put politics to one side after the Malaysian solution was quashed by the High Court and worked through an agreement with the government. I think he would have increased in stature if he had shown himself to be the bigger person and allowed the Malaysian solution to be tried. It would have shown that he puts border protection and the lives of boat people first. He would have looked Prime Ministerial.

    I don’t know how he could have given much solace to the government on this issue, especially when the solution is to do precisely what the the opposition are advocating. The government have well and truly wedged themselves between the opposition position and the extreme “open door left” which is why they are in so much trouble.

    deknarf

    Might I suggest that had Phoney Tony and the NO Coalition signed off on the deal offered to them by Labor, we might not have seen this happen again. For political gain Phoney and the NO Coalition prevented a reasonable solution and put lives at risk. It would seem to me that any blame should be put squarely at the feet of Phoney (aka the dumb obstructionist capuchin [Keating]) and a bunch of venal, ‘grab power using any means possible’ bunch of politicians (aka the NO Coalition).

    What deal? the terribly awful Malaysian solution? Or was that the Timor solution before that?


    Craigy

    I think Indonesia could be doing much more. Why are both major parties so reluctant to criticise Indonesia? It isn’t a money issue, we already help them with costs, and it all seems so political.

    I agree with that

    It is so sad that people have to risk their lives while we play silly politics.

    Well as long as we are seen as an easy touch people will take to the boats

    Good to see Leon being balanced for once, although I disagree with Nauru (or any off shore processing as a deterrent).

    Clearly its not an answer on its own we need to ensure that no boat arrivals will ever get permanent residency because residency is the honey-pot that draws people to the boats

  6. Craigy says:

    “we need to ensure that no boat arrivals will ever get permanent residency because residency is the honey-pot that draws people to the boats”

    We can’t do that Iain, we signed on to take genuine refugees, something I and the majority of Australians support.

    We could stop many crimes by just locking people up for life or executing them, but we don’t because we are civilized and part of a world that we can’t ignore.

    Look at the figures in the link I provided above and tell me why we couldn’t take many more UNHCR refugees to relieve the pressure on Indonesia and reduce the people getting on boats. The reason we don’t fix this problem is political and has its genesis in the fear campaigns run by the extremists for sometime now.

    When you look at the figures we can fix this without people drowning or without locking up men, woman and children and driving them to insanity and self harm.

    We need to use compassion and our intelligence to solve this. There are more options available than you will read in the papers. Unfortunately the politics in this country has taken a very nasty turn in the last 10 years.

    I hope Tony Abbott is sincere when he said this morning he would like to remove the politics from this situation and focus on the people. If he means it he couldn’t possibly still want offshore processing or TPVs.

  7. Craigy says:

    Oh and BTW, I wasn’t saying that claiming asylum is a crime, it clearly isn’t.

  8. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    the UN convention does not oblige us to give claimants any sort of permanency of residence in this country, nor does it oblige us to offer “family reunion” or even the right to re-enter this country should they leave of their own volition for any reason whatsoever. Its the fact that these things above and beyond our obligations are offered in this country that drives the boat trade.
    Now you are welcome to suggest that there are good reasons for this generosity to claimants but if you want to dissuade people form risking their lives in overloaded and unseaworthy boats then you have to go to this core inducement for them to do so.
    That said much of the rhetoric against Labor on this stem from the simple fact that after they opened the door by changing the rules they kept trying to pretend that everything except their own actions was the cause of the situation.

  9. Craigy says:

    The ALP changed the rules because the were elected on a mandate to treat refugees as people, by a country that has the capacity to take all the UNHCR refugees in Indonesia without any issues. While people getting on leaky boats should be stopped, treating refugees as criminals is wrong in my view and has done our reputation around the world much harm.

    As I said this is more a political issue that Howard and his Government played in a very nasty way and in doing so, did real harm to many. Any solution needs to take into account that these are people in desperate need who should not be punished for seeking help.

  10. Richard Ryan says:

    Tony Abbott a failed Catholic Cleric, who is now in the early stages of terminal, as far as his dream of becoming PM is concerned..

  11. Iain Hall says:

    Richard
    Let me point out a couple of things for you, firstly to be a “failed Catholic Cleric” one would have had to have been ordained and Tony Abbott was never ordained and your claim that he will never be PM is just wishful thinking on your part. So please try and step it up a notch and try for intelligent comments that contribute to the debate.

  12. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy

    The ALP changed the rules because the were elected on a mandate to treat refugees as people, by a country that has the capacity to take all the UNHCR refugees in Indonesia without any issues. While people getting on leaky boats should be stopped, treating refugees as criminals is wrong in my view and has done our reputation around the world much harm.

    I notice that you do not respond to my point about what we offer exceeding our obligations under the UN convention and you don’t suggest any way that a government can both dissuade people from taking to leaky boats and be extra touchy feely nice to mendicants who front up here with a well rehearsed sob story. That said the facts of the matter were that Brother Number One really thought that he could have his cake and eat it on this issue and boy was he wrong! The formula here is simple you have a tough regime on unauthorised arrivals by boat, and then you discourage the chancers. Its a form of tough love that the dead from this tragedy would have appreciated.

    As I said this is more a political issue that Howard and his Government played in a very nasty way and in doing so, did real harm to many. Any solution needs to take into account that these are people in desperate need who should not be punished for seeking help.

    Why do you assume that these people are so desperate? Desperate people don’t traverse multiple countries, where they could seek asylum, until they find one they like. Face it Craigy these people are economic migrants playing the system and thanks to Rudd, Gillard and your precious Greens they are getting an express ride to permanent residency here.

  13. Matt says:

    I think it is about time the Navy started earning their tax payer funded salaries. I mean what are they doing floating around in the glassy blue oceans under a hot golden sun drinking cold tinnies and letting these terrorists, rapists, thieves and murders through. They are a fair dinkum threat to the Australian way of life and its about time the gay men in white did what they are paid to do! Machine gun them, machine gun them all! Rack the 50, cock the Mag 58 forget about a warning shot across the gunwhale and let those towel headed curry munching darkies have it! Give them abelt to the bridge, a thunderous roar of fire and sweep their rickety boats with hot lead. Let them know that when they cross the Arafura sea without authorisation that there is a price to pay! While were at it lets hunt down and hang anyone in Australia who wasn’t born here and those who parents parents parents aren’t weren’t born in Australia!

  14. Iain Hall says:

    Matt
    I think you must be attempting satire because I can’t believe that you are being in at all sincere, but just in case you are offering your true opinion all I can say it get help man, because you truly need it.

  15. Richard Ryan says:

    Matt I like it——stopping the boats is a myth, I think you got some of these right wings knickers in a knot.

  16. GD says:

    Craigy, I don’t know where you live, and I don’t want to know, because surely it’s la-la land. You certainly don’t live in mainstream Australia.

    As Iain said,

    the UN convention does not oblige us to give claimants any sort of permanency of residence in this country, nor does it oblige us to offer “family reunion” or even the right to re-enter this country should they leave of their own volition for any reason whatsoever

    See Craigy, it’s not the genuine refugees that the majority of Australians object to. It’s the ‘sugar on the table’ country shopping people, with $10,000 in their pocket, who jump the UNHCR queue that Australia has agreed to, that irk the majority of the population.

    It’s the Labor government’s instant handout to these people that gives them more benefits than anywhere else in the world, and more benefits than our homeless and destitute receive.

    It’s the Immigration Department processing ‘Captain Emad’ as a genuine refugee, and awarding him and his family a number of public housing residences, while genuine refugees wait for years in camps in hope of a chance to come here. Not to mention the number of low income, unemployed or homeless Australians who wait interminably for public housing that will never come, because Labor would rather pander to the people smugglers and their bogus ‘asylum seekers’.

    With the Greens supposedly in lock-step with Labor in this minority government, why is there no mention of their failure to support Labor’s refugee policy?

    Why is the blame thrown onto the opposition?

    Perhaps it’s time to look hard at the Greens, not the Coalition for this policy failure.

    Update:
    Tony Abbott won’t budge on boats as Coalition tells Labor to talk with Greens

    Come on Greens, you’ve enabled a minority government, perhaps it’s time to act in the best interests of the country, rather than in the interests of your narrow ideological principles.

  17. Richard Ryan says:

    Who is this Kiwi f*ck-wit on CH.10 Breakfast this morning, telling us this Government is in crisis——maybe he has been bonking too many sheep, in New Zealand—–Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you four eyed f^ck wit.

  18. Iain Hall says:

    Richard
    Who cares what trash Ten puts on its breakfast show, certainly not me!

    GD
    Did you see the good sense form Amanda Vanstone in an Op ed piece at Fairfax?

    When I was minister for immigration in the Howard government, one of the Indonesian ministers visited Australia to discuss border protection, among other things. My job was to reinforce the reasoning for our then strong border protection policies. He had a very sombre approach, but when I said ”Ada gula ada semut” – ”where there is sugar ants will be” – he had a glint in his eye. It is just common sense.

    Tough border protection is not about being anti refugees. This is a ruse run by do-gooders who, in contrast to their sweet self-image, like to peddle hatred by asserting that people who don’t think as they do are racists or uncaring.

    During my time as immigration minister, we increased our intake of refugees, through the United Nations refugee agency, by a massive 50 per cent, while maintaining strong border protection. And we stopped the boats. For the government to now offer to set up an independent inquiry to look at the effectiveness of these policies seems to me no more than an unnecessary stalling tactic.

    The people that use people smugglers fall within a range of categories, some with better credentials to take a refugee place than others. What all the boat arrivals have in common is a desire for Australian permanent residence and, hopefully, citizenship. But the UN Convention does not give a right to choose the country in which one will be protected.

    I think it is fair to say that those who have travelled through three or four other countries before coming to Australia are no longer fleeing persecution but are rather seeking the citizenship of their choice. Who wouldn’t want the golden visa card that Australian permanent residence or citizenship brings? While that is on offer, we are tempting people to get on the boats.

    The government needs to reintroduce both offshore processing and temporary protection visas, or a variation thereof. Something that says: ”If it becomes safe for you, we will assist you to resettle home. In the meantime, phone home and tell them they are not coming.”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/that-come-on-down-sign-is-costing-lives-20120624-20wa2.html#ixzz1yki38C21

  19. GD says:

    That is indeed good sense. Why can’t our leftist government understand that?

  20. jules says:

    Julia Gillard – Her Policy, Her Watch, Her Chance To Fix It!

  21. Iain Hall says:

    You have it in a nutshell there Jules

  22. Craigy says:

    You have it completely arse about there Jules.

  23. Craigy says:

    Read this for the facts, rather than the distortions peddled by extremists like Tony Abbott and his supporters….

    http://www.erc.org.au/index.php?module=documents&JAS_DocumentManager_op=viewDocument&JAS_Document_id=64

  24. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    You keep citing such things as if they don’t have an agenda when we both know that they do….

  25. GD says:

    Facts, eh, Craigy?

    Myth 4 – We’re Being Swamped by Hordes of Boat People.
    Fact: 300 000 refugees arrived in Europe to seek asylum last year. In contrast, 4174 reached Australia by boat or plane.

    And how is that working out for Europe, Craigy? Are they happy campers? I don’t think so.

    Seems it’s a precursor to the disaster that is the Greens’ vision for Australia.

  26. Craigy says:

    What agenda do they have Iain, other than humanitarian aims?

    Is it wrong to point out that the basis for your views on refugees is a false one?

  27. jules says:

    What won’t she do to save lives?

  28. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy, they have an “open borders” agenda

  29. GD says:

    With the Greens holding about 10% of the vote, and with only one MP in the House of Reps, it’s astounding that they can hold the country to ransom with this issue. Clearly, Australians, or 90% of them, don’t want an ‘open border’ policy, which is what the Greens are pushing, yet the Greens won’t break the stronghold, and therefore save lives, by opting for the LNP or Labor proposals.

    At 10% of the vote, they surely can’t expect Australia to adopt their ‘open borders’ policy. To not accept either of the major parties’ policies is bloody-minded, life-threatening and pure evil.

    Australia does not want open borders or on-shore processing. Now that the Greens are playing with the big boys, it’s time they stood up and took responsibility for their policies, instead of churlishly and childishly stamping their feet when they don’t get their own way.

    10% of the vote does not give them the right to change refugee policy.

  30. GD says:

    If the Greens wish to be more than a ‘fringe’ party, they must act with the bigger picture in mind, and compromise. If not, they will remain a fringe party of malcontents and misfits who value ideology above the good of the country.

    That ideology consists of one world government, open borders, closure of the coal industry, rejection of nuclear power and belief in pathetically impotent energy sources such as wind, solar and hot rocks.

    The Greens are a supposed ideological party who preach about green energy, abatement of carbon emissions and sustainable development, while all the time attending every overseas ecological conference, flying first class.

    It is very wrong that a fringe party polling 10% of the vote can hamstring the parliament on the international issue of drowning asylum seekers.

  31. Craigy says:

    Where does it say that Iain?

  32. Iain Hall says:

    Its clearly implicit in the whole argument that they put.

  33. Craigy says:

    Oh okay, you didn’t read anything on that link then…….You just need it to be wrong.

  34. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy
    I did not read every word but I read more than enough to realise that its the same sort of stuff that you always cite and that like your other citations its all about finding more reasons to accept people rather than reasons to reject their claims for “asylum”. Hence my assertion that their agenda is open borders.

  35. Richard Ryan says:

    While some people scorn boat people, they are the victims of our war. Following the ‘American War’ in Vietnam, we had boat people. Likewise we have boat people from Iraq,thanks to John Howard who plunged Australia into the the Iraq war to curry favour with George Bush. This is the spin off of war, You don’t need a PhD in militarism to understand that. War and its actions cause reactions, and one of those is refugees seeking safety for their families. The United States Of Australia history is a nation made up of convicts,rejects of Europe, (people who are failures in their country of birth) and of course refugees. Shalom,Richard Ryan.

  36. Iain Hall says:

    :roll: Richard
    By your logic then we should not be accepting any Tamils from Sri Lanka, as we have had absolutely nothing to do with that civil war. You conveniently ignore minor provocations like 9-11 or the invasion of Kuwait In Gulf war 1; just how far back are you willing to go to attribute blame on western nations for all the woes in the world?

  37. Carpe Jugulum says:

    Dear richard – how do you explain the boaties from Iran, Sri Lanka and Pakistan or those from Burma.

    Yet again you beclown yourself. Although i guess rational thought has never been your forte.

    richard ryan, the Crusty the Clown of the intermong.

  38. Richard Ryan says:

    My concerns today: Carbon Tax Day, will it effect the price of the French Black Truffle from the cold soils of Tasmania——-I love a bit of this stuff along with my pie from Aldi.

  39. Richard Ryan says:

    Carpe—those lot are queue jumpers—-a tactic ploy of the boat haters, which I use to my requirements.

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