Is this the beginning of the end for Abbott?
And an opportunity for Turnbull?
Iain hasn’t brought this up so I will: Conservative British Prime Minister David Cameron has backed Julia Gillard’s carbon tax plan, striking a major blow to Tony Abbott’s negative campaign that he has been conducting - endlessly - all over the bloody country.
JULIA Gillard’s bid to impose a carbon tax in Australia has won a glowing endorsement from British Prime Minister and Conservative Party leader David Cameron, undercutting a fierce campaign against the scheme by his conservative ally, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.
Mr Cameron praised the Australian Prime Minister’s carbon plan as bold, ambitious, and a spur to other nations. In May his government approved a binding 50 per cent cut to carbon emissions by 2025, while Australia’s non-binding target is a 5 per cent cut by 2020.
In a letter obtained by The Sunday Age, Mr Cameron says Ms Gillard’s policy ”will add momentum to those, in both the developed and developing world, who are serious about dealing with this urgent threat”.
”I was delighted to hear of the ambitious package of climate change policy measures you announced on 10 July and wanted to congratulate you on taking this bold step,” he writes.
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Mr Cameron’s letter came as a surprise to Ms Gillard and her inner circle. She had met Mr Cameron at the G20 leaders summit and during a visit to London for the royal wedding in April, but the pair do not have an especially close relationship.
Mr Abbott travelled to Britain last October for the Conservative Party conference. He had a 15-minute formal meeting with Mr Cameron and sat next to him during dinner one evening.
The Tories have championed themselves as a party of strong climate action. Mr Cameron has vowed his government would be the ”greenest ever”.
As I’ve made clear before, I am an ALP supporter, which only means I support them like I support my football team, St Kilda - i.e. through thick & thin. And, just like my team, I realise that the ALP are not always the best, can put in some pretty ordinary performances and can sometimes lack leadership. The Saints presently have great leadership in coach Ross Lyon and captain Nick Riewoldt but, unfortunately, my political footy side, the ALP, has a leader who embarrasses me. PM Julia Gillard seems incapable of selling her proposal to introduce a price on carbon next year. She can’t explain the benefits or sell the positives in a way that gives the majority of people any confidence that this new, carbon-free economy is the way of the future. And she’s so wooden and uninspiring. In footy terms, she’s the equivalent of Melbourne’s coach Dean Bailey, a coach who came into the job with little if not zero AFL credentials, who has put no runs on the board and whose popularity stocks are at an all time low, especially after yesterday’s humiliating, near-AFL record 186 points thrashing at the hands of that country hick team Geelong.
Gillard has no real political future beyond this current term and it’s still no certainty she’ll lead the party to what seems like certain defeat at the 2013 election. She’s a goner and she doesn’t seem to care. I mean, anyone who is prepared to stand next to Christine Nixon & Jo Chandler to launch their disgraceful book this week, obviously has no intention of sticking around for the long haul.
But if Julia Gillard is the Dean Bailey of politics, what about Tony Abbott? I think he’s like a yapping dog barking at the government’s heels because, well, because he can. So maybe he’s the Jason Akermanis of politics, you know, always in your face but not someone to take very seriously and lacking any real substance in what he says. And, just like the Bulldogs got sick & tired of Akers’ constant harping and sacked him last year, maybe the Liberals will finally see the light too and rid itself of Abbott’s very negative, opposition-for-opposition’s-sake and no-real-direction style of leadership. Well, in light of the above news, if they don’t get with the program and start putting forward some viable alternatives, they may well hand Gillard a giant free kick right in front of goals. And maybe, just maybe, another term? Who knows?
Which brings me to Malcolm Turnbull. As we all know, the former Liberal leader Turnbull is a strong – very strong – supporter of putting a price on carbon. He actually supports Julia Gillard’s proposal, although obviously he can’t come out and say so in so many, direct words. Nonetheless, he’s come very close to endorsing it, much to Abbott’s displeasure. And, as we all know too, Turnbull’s support for a carbon tax and an ETS cost him the opposition leadership position when he was surprisingly dumped in favour of Abbott-the-head-kicker … by just one vote!
Maybe the time is right for Malcolm Turnbull to return to the job he probably shouldn’t have been dumped from in the first place. I’m not saying that he would have won last year’s election if he’d stayed and, in fact, I think Abbott was probably the right person to bridge the huge gap that existed between the Liberals and the then Kevin Rudd led government when Abbott took over and started up his very negative, in-your-face campaign. I’ll give him that – he did serve the Liberals well in the short-term.
But I reckon Abbott is approaching his use by date and may have even exceeded it. He might be polling okay at the moment but can you seriously see the electorate putting up with his I-wanna-be-PM-and-I-want-it-now style for another two years? I can’t. Maybe this latest news, that Gillard’s carbon tax is strongly supported by Abbott’s British counterpart, may well mark the beginning of the end for the yapping dog of Oz politics, Tony Abbott?
And maybe this will see the return of Malcolm Turnbull to the job he still craves as Opposition leader and (in his eyes) Prime Minister in waiting. To again use a footy analogy, I see Turnbull as the Chris Judd of the competition, which is very apt, as Judd is the lead-by-example captain of the silvertailed Carlton club, which has had strong links to the Liberals having had both John Elliot & Dick Pratt as its Presidents. I dislike Carlton as much as I dislike the Liberals but there’s no doubt that since crossing from West Coast a few years ago, captain-courageous Judd has almost single-handedly raised the stocks of the whole club, so much so that it almost makes you forget Carlton’s reputation as the club that cheated its way to several Premierships by illegally buying up top players from other clubs outside the salary cap system. Almost, but not quite. Hmm, Carlton, cheats, Liberals – peas in a pod?
If Turnbull were to be given another chance by the Liberals then they’d have to (finally) accept that the party requires a change of direction by moving more in line with his vision for the country’s future. I like Turnbull. I think he’s brilliant and visionary. And if he somehow does become PM in 2013 it would, for me, make the ALP’s certain demise at that poll a lot easier to take. But are the Liberal Party MPs clever enough to realise that Abbott has run his race and they should be looking at Turnbull as someone who can better lead them back into government? I’m not sure they are.
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Ray,
Many conservatives would question Cameron’s conservative credentials, as he is a bit of a progressive politician. Much like Malcolm Turnbull, who I’m sure has convinced most of his Liberal colleagues this year that he should never be allowed to regain the Liberal leadership again. You talking him up is just a bit of wishful thinking on your part.
Cameron’s endorsement dosen’t mean much. At the end of the day, the evidence is that most Australians have made up their minds about the carbon tax, with a clear majority against it.
I think you fail to see that Labor’s only realistic hope is to dump Gillard and the carbon tax. Only when that happens will they start listening again.
Oh, I realise that’s a take you can put on it too, Leon. But I have a feeling that this turn of events will be pretty big news this week and that the tables might be about to turn on Mr Rabbott.
Anyway, “Many conservatives would question Cameron’s conservative credentials, as he is a bit of a progressive politician” – Yes, I agree that “many conservatives” are not progressive and look back instead of forward.
Ray
I reckon that you are grasping at straws here, as You say Gillard is G.O.N.E.!!!!!! either at or before the next election and frankly the days when any Aussie party took their lead from the Poms is long gone. Now while the Conservatives in the UK may have a familial relationship with our own colaition that does not mean that we are an anyway beholden to the policy choices that they make in formulation of our policies here. As for your forlorn hope that Turnbull has any chance of ever being party leader again I think Yer dremin!
Look I appreciate that for Labor men such as yourself Turnbull represents the sort of leader that you could live with the fact remains that the majority of the party just won’t vote for him and neither will the general public. You see besides the fact that he showed some pretty poor judgement by backing the CPRS scheme he also stuffed up with the Ute gate /Gordon Grech affair.
As for Cameron He has his own problems and you will notice that his commitment to AGW abatement is predictae don other significant players acting (which is not going to happen so he is really just paying lip service to the issue.
I’m not grasping at all, Iain. I’ve already said Gillard is a goner and that her party, regardless of who leads them, will almost certainly lose in 2013. I’m just suggesting that by the Liberals leaving Abbott in charge it still gives the ALP faint hope. He’s no PM, Iain, and if your guys can’t see that and replace him with Turnbull … bad luck. He will cost you votes if he keeps banging on like this for 2 years. And I think you’re wrong about Cameron’s words not influencing public opinion in Oz.
Daffy Duck could be the Liberal leader and the ALP would still not have a hope at re-election. The polls have written her off, and that’s with Abbott at the helm.
Two years is a lifetime in politics. Ask Kevin Rudd.
Ray
At present the coalition are so far a head that Labor would be lucky to have much representation in the house at all but lets be realistic about Turnbull shall we? The major reason that Gillard is going down the gurgler is all about the wretched Carbon tax and as a known AGW true believer Turnbull will not play that well to that part of the electorate who are so soundly rejecting anything of that Ilk. Tony Abbott is on the other hand winning the hearts , minds and votes of those that Labor have been taking for granted and who stand to lose their jobs in manufacturing or energy production. There is No way that these new coalition voters are going to go for Turnbull in the same way that they are going to Abbott. So while Turnbull might appeal to the urban elites who are dissatisfied with Labor he is distrusted by the blue collar voters who will decide the next election.
Finally do you really think that Gillard can last to 2013?
I don’t
Iain’s right. Replacing Abbott with Turnbull between now and the next election would be the worst and dumbest mistake the Coalition could possibly make. The Coalition would nullify its advantage over the carbon tax by electing Turnbull, as it would then become an academic issue over whether its an ETS or a carbon tax – both of which will drive up prices, cost jobs and damage the economy.
Don;t forget that it was Abbott who turned climate change into a positive for the Coalition by opposing an ETS. This resulted in the government realising that they faced a fight over cost of living which they could not win. And that’s exactly what’s happening now over the carbon tax. 4
Abbott has Labor on the ropes over climate change, whereas Turnbull would not be able to land a single stiff jab on the same issue.
Iain, Abbott has only won Rd 1 of the carbon tax debate. Remember, it’s only been a few months since Gillard surprisingly announced her intentions and I certainly agree (and have said) that she’s made a real cock-up out of it. But there are two long years to go to the next election (regardless if Gillard keeps her job) and I reckon that Abbott has pretty much peaked … way too early! You may well find yet that endorsements from people like Cameron may start to swing the pendulum back, Iain. That’s why I’m suggesting Turnbull is a safer bet for the Libs. But hey, I really don’t care what they do.
Leon, it pleases me greatly that died-in-the-wool Lib supporters think Abbott can carry on like a barking dog all the way to The Lodge over the next 2 years.
Ray,
I have explained to you as clearly as I can why Turnbull would be a disaster for the Coalition right now. There is no clearer way for me to express it and I think most other people would see my point.
I think your view is significantly coloured by the fact that you would personally prefer Turnbull to lead because he is a liberal lefty.
Ray, for all your non-commital stance on the climate debate, you seem quite happy for the nation to be encumbered with a useless and destructive carbon tax. The winner in the next election will be the major party that promises to dismantle any legislation already in place for this ridiculous tax. That is the priority in the minds of the majority of the electorate.
Leon, my opinion is not “coloured” by anything on this because I am not looking at it as an ALP “supporter”. I’m looking at it dispassionately, at the pure politics of it all and, the way I see it, Abbott won’t last the distance to 2013. Gillard mightn’t either but my point is simply that I reckon Turnbull is a better bet for the Liberals (and the country) long term.
I understand why you think he may not get the nod and you might be right. But it’s no skin off my nose.
GD, I’m not greatly enamoured with the carbon tax idea and I think you know that. But, as I said to Leon above, I’m looking at the politics of this and I do think that over the next 2 years you might find there’s a change of public opinion on it. Don’t forget it’ll be in place for a year before the election and by then the impacts will be fully known. This debate is far from over and has a long way to run.
I’ve seen some of those Hitler parody videos that were clever and quite funny. That wasn’t one of them.
The one where he is told not to bowl half track offies on a 20-20 final is the best one.
My post, my rules:
Rule 1. Anyone who puts up a video as a comment receives a warning.
Rule 2. Anyone who refers to Hitler loses the argument immediately.
Rule 3. Anyone who puts up a Hitler video loses the argument AND is banned – even if it’s his blog.
The thing is I’m not making an argument with the Vid I just thought that it was funny and I wanted to share it
Ray – why is the argument lost?
It’s still a rule breach, Iain. I’ll let you off with a warning this time.
1. Because Hitler started WW II, killed Jews and many others – hadn’t you heard?
2. Because it’s my rule.
I don’t think the Fuhrer ever played cricket, Dumbage. If he did it was probably down in the lower grades, with the bald nuff-nuffs.
Iain, funniest Hitler parody yet! and true to fact!
That’s your first “warning” GD.
Iain, I prefer the other Hitler parodies. Will give you 10/10 for your humour though.
It’s 0/10 on this post. First warning to you too, Jilly.
Who said free speech was dead at the sandpit ?
And the takeover is complete, ladies and gentlemen. A bloodless coup @ the sandpit.
Ban me if you like.
Sax, I hope your comment was meant to be as tongue-in-cheek as mine were re “rules, warnings & banning”.
If not, well ……………. what can I say?
Sax – Free speech HAS gone. Seems everyone is referring to the same thing though, even if we can’t say it.
Sax
Ray knows that I have the real power here and any Coup attempt is just as likely to succeed as Gillard or Labor winning the next election, I am the benign dictator here and anyone who disagrees with me has a definite appointment with a wall, a blindfold and maybe a last cigarette*
*in deference to that fact that smoking is bad for you I will not be allowing ciggies, sorry
What, not even a last meal?
Ray, this Hitler parody agrees with you….although it’s not as funny as the carbon tax Hitler parody that Iain posted….
See, Iain = Hitler
(GD, that’s two warnings)
You had better look up the meaning of “Benign” Ray
Try here
Oh I know what that means, Iain, but the operative word here is DICTATOR.
And Hitler. Zeig heil.
No Ray the operative word is Benign
Just make sure that you click your heels properly when you salute !!!
Definition of benign – having a kindly disposition; gracious:showing or expressive of gentleness or kindness
Much like an ANGEL. Not who you are thinking though Ray. Besides I have better hair than that scruff.
Whoever you are J… you are wrong about “Angel’s” disposition. She was exactly like you are. And J….
That’ll do now. Unless you really do want Iain to stop accepting your comments.
Ray, I am angel !!!, No one else.
Yes you are. Neither are your real name, are they? Stop playing games – I’m not interested. If you want to comment here without putting up the kind of shit you tried before I’m sure Iain will allow you to. If not then you might as well f___ off.
Iain, I think the word that should be looked up here is sarcasm
As a principle, especially on this page, it is a concept that is more than misunderstood. Rather, you just haven’t got a friggin clue.
Give it a miss Ray, maybe then, someone may want to have an intelligent discourse with you ?
Huh, Sax? Sorry, no comprehende what you’re on about.
That’s the entire problem Ray ?
Yes it is. I don’t understand you.
Forget sarcasm Ray. It is a concept that continues to elude you.
Instead, all you are achieving is the revealing of your nasty side. It doesn’t wprry me one little bit, it does your public reputation more harm than mine, but, if you want to continue with somewhat intelligent discourse with other intelligent beings here, it might pay that you look up and learn the concept, or just give it a miss, without insulting the crap out of everyone.
If you feel that is not what you doing above, then the problem is worse than I thought perhaps.
Sax, I’m not being sarcastic. You are just not making any sense here.
Just wondering Ray, those two strikes against me, do they carry over to other threads that you are the author of, or do I get a clean slate with each new post you write?
I’m sure I can comment on your posts without using the ‘H’ word, but I am loathe to enquire as to whether this is a portent of future guidelines, ie, the thin end of the wedge, or a mere abberation. Given that the Gillard-Brown government is in power at the minute, and I use that time frame generously, it is understandable that a previously dormant totalitarian streak would emerge in rusted-on Labor voters.
Freed of the constraints of a Liberal government, it is natural that you would choose to flaunt with totalitarianism. After all, it’s in your nature, it’s just something that you were previously too polite to reveal in public. So it is understandable that given free reign by a hapless Labor government, and goaded by the Watermelons, I suppose it’s natural for you to flex your totalitarian muscles, even if your influence extends only to this blog. Ideology aside, I feel that, similar to Brown and Gillard, you are the tail wagging the dog here.
The erudite Leon has been sidelined, Iain’s quotidian sagacity has been relegated to second place, while leftie sycophants, incoherent in most cases, are given free reign in your new domain.
I enjoyed Jilly’s parody video. Had a similar clip been posted on a blog of mine, directed at me, I would have been proud to display it.
It’s a shame that you didn’t revel in the notoriety instead of taking offence.
I can’t believe you took all that stuff about banning & warnings seriously, GD.
And Iain is still by far the dominant poster here and this blog still has a very right wing lean to it overall. All I have done is to add a small portion of the, um, alternative view/balance (at Iain’s invitation) and I think it’s fair to say that I’ve been quite restrained in that regard. To suggest I’m in any way extreme is absurd and I think you know that.
As for Leon, no one is stopping him posting more if he wishes. It’s not my “new domain” and I am not showing preference or leniency to so-called “lefty sychophants”. Who exactly are you referring to? TOI? Craigy? I disagree quite often with them.
As for the so-called parody video that was deleted, you can’t possibly make a judgement on how I see it unless you are in my position, GD. It’s always funny … when it happens to someone else. There’s been a lot more to it than that and all you saw was the tip of the iceberg.
Maybe just discuss the topic? “Conservatives back Carbon Tax”. I guess this is what happens when we don’t and we start posting Hitler videos instead.
GD et al
As Ray points out this is still my blog and I post here more than any other author but I deliberately set out to make this a group blog with a much wider focus that the usual creature populated with writers all form the same political niche and I am more than happy to have Rays contributions here. But we do have an ongoing Troll problem which makes both of us rather sensitive to the likes of that so called parody. Which makes a number or rather nasty suggestions about Ray that are just not funny.
Anyway I took Ray’s Banning suggestions as they were intended with tongue firmly in cheek I am the only one here who can ban anyone here and I only ever do so very reluctantly
Ray, I took it as a joke to, my comment was tongue in cheek too, until I suppose my last two sentences. Of course I don’t know about the ‘background’…
No problem, GD.
TOI you play at a club where the 1st grade is full of hairsuit huff nuffs that’s why they’re still looking for balls you bowled last summer and the good bergers of your particular hamlet are taking out window and roof insurance. You wish you had an Austrian despot in your club. Problem for Adolf is he’s got one too many gonads to be in your club’s first XI.
Adolf was a Catholic fascist anti-abortionist, so he’d be better off at your club. You and he would probably strike up a close friendship. Jimi one eyed dog and Adolf one gonad dictator.
I have no idea WTF you’re on about there TOI. I’m not a member of any cricket club, not a catholic, not a fascist, not a “Jimi” (whatever the fucia that is), have both eyes, two perfectly functioning nads and – I might add – a luxurious crop of hair. As opposed to that fellow who launched that rag “News Overboard” back in 2004 who was as bald as a monkey’s clacker. And from all reports since – a NUFF NUFF of the highest order.
I have no idea WTF you’re on about there TOI
Yeah, sure you don’t.
Add “delusion” to the list of things you and Adolf would have in common.
Whatever mate. You feeling ok? Coz you’re out there today.
Seriously I have no idea what the ghuck you’re on about.