Hot wet pussies make them go gooey

Amongst the ordinary Latte sippers, the  underbelly of the tendency in fact, it is the vague ideas that are attractive. So if you ask them about the issue de jour they will regurgitate the the general talking points and give you the usual talking points of the topic but its soon becomes clear that they have not really thought about the repercussions of the things that they  “believe” in. Thus they will say that we have to do something about climate change. If you press them on the details or point out that the ways suggested  to do this won’t actually make a difference they are a bit like a Roo in the headlights, unable to get themselves out of a diabolical  position. What soon becomes clear is that they are working on a purely emotional level and the intellectual understanding of the issue is largely absent.

There are however quite a number of more Machiavellian Latte sippers who have thought about how to put their schemes into action on a larger scale. If you make the effort to read their own bibles, like the UK’s Guardian,  you can begin to appreciate what the Profits  of the Green religion are actually all about. It soon becomes evident that there is more at stake here than the thermometer’s long term trend:

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 First, the link between economic growth and carbon dioxide must be broken. The world’s economy runs on energy, and while most of that power continues to comes from coal, oil and gas, global GDP and carbon emissions will be bound together in lockstep. The latest data show a near perfect correlation, and that shows how little impact, in a worldwide context, renewable and nuclear power is making.

Second, the rich industrialised world and the poor developing world must align their hopes and fears: they inhabit the same planet. All nations are united in understanding that unchecked climate change poses a grave threat in every part of the world.

Citizens in London, New York and Tokyo have grown rich from a century or more of fossil-fuelled industrialisation. They have the most wealth to lose and are, with notable exceptions, the keenest to cut carbon fast. But for those in Delhi, Rio and Beijing, where economic growth surges onwards, the improvement of living standards, from electricity to education, is even more pressing than reducing emissions.

Bridging that global gap between rich and poor requires a major transfer of wealth. That money, spent on low-carbon development, would fund the clean emergence of the developing world from deprivation. Put starkly, it is nothing less than using the engine of the world economy, energy, to tackle the world’s poverty. It could be done by agreeing binding, global goals for cash and carbon: a top-down approach. But that would require unprecedented political leadership. Can the heating-up of the global economy thaw the diplomatic freeze at the UN talks and reignite the urgency needed?

(my bold)

To my mind this looks decidedly like a sort of Marxist utopianism to me and frankly its just not going to work.

How the Latte sippers see the poor

The Latte sippers that I began with  talking about certainly care about the world’s poor, but it is a patronising sort of compassion, much like the way we all feel when we see that picture of a poor drenched kitten: Its a simple way of thinking that is innately patronising and it underestimates the object of their pity. with even a small kitten you have to appreciate that you are dealing with a well honed killing machine and when it comes to the world’s poor you can’t just assume that the objects of your pity are just going to be the sort of noble victims that will appreciate you trying to lift them out of their misery or that they will remain eternally grateful and forever deferential to the authors of their salvation. The experience of the many years aid to help the poor in the countries of Africa and elsewhere is that no matter how much money is funnelled into theses places the poverty remains (well except for the minions of the ruling cliques who do seem to do rather well from foreign aid). It will take a great deal more that wishful thinking to “solve” the poverty that inspires so much Latte sipper angst and to be honest I don’t think that a great deal of it can actually be “solved”.

From a purely environmental point of view most of the world’s most poverty stricken countries are entirely capable of feeding their people, or even doing better than mere subsistence agriculture (not that there is anything wrong with just being able to grow enough to sustain your self) what is lacking is not money or technology, it is the sort of stable society and sense of social cohesion that makes western society successful. Frankly the Neo-Marxism of the deep green eco-warriors who are driving the climate debate don’t have  a clue how to make this happen, apart from wanting to redirect the wealth of the industrialised world towards it.Now as much as I appreciate the urge to alleviate poverty and suffering I am tending towards thinking that it will be all be rather futile in the end. Because instead of giving the poor nations of the world a hand up all that sees to be the result is even more poverty and an eternal mendicant mentality.

The classical Marxists wanted to sell their model for utopia through world revolution and the communists of the old Soviet union and the Peoples Republic of China  did a fine trade in exporting the ideology of  revolution and the destructive  hardware to make it happen. Now their spiritual successors want to export their utopian vision wrapped in the vestments of the Green religion and on the pretext that the planet has to be saved from global warming. When it comes to any utopian vision though you just have to ask the obvious questions of are they achievable and if they are will they actually be a good thing if the Profits can make it happen?

The history of Communism should perhaps tell us that all we will see is more death destruction and eventual disillusionment the only question is how long will it take and will the death toll from the Green revolutions  match or exceed those inspired by Marx and Lenin?

Cheers Comrades

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24 thoughts on “Hot wet pussies make them go gooey

  1. The world’s economy runs on energy
    Wrong ! This is what the world’s respective economies run on…

    If the people, as well as the respective governments could somehow get past this greed for five minutes, all of the world’s problems would disappear overnight. It really is that simple I think.
    That is the aim of true Communism. Share the wealth, but the respective regimes have let the power, (and wealth), go to their respective heads, instead of their constituents, and we have seen the results over the last fifty years.

    There is nothing wrong with bucking the system, but, that must be tempered with knowing, that you are dealing with an organisation (s), that will be, historically, slow to change, and quick to perceive any protest or descent, as a personal threat to their individual power bases.

  2. You know what Sax I think that Greed is rather like salt, a little can enhance the flavour of an economy, a little bit more is still tolerable but eventually you get to the point at which it is poisonous and I think that a consumer society where built in obsolescence is the norm and we are constantly told that we need to buy MORE, (it doesn’t matter what we actually need as long as we keep buying anyway..) I think that at present we are at the “still edible stage” But I wonder how long we can keep adding more salt to the pot…

  3. ”The Latte sippers that I began with talking about certainly care about the world’s poor, but it is a patronising sort of compassion”

    Wingnut compassion =

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2003/s852962.htm

    ….”what is lacking is not money or technology, it is the sort of stable society and sense of social cohesion that makes western society successful.”

    Wingnut stable society and sense of cohesion =

    http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=263:veiled-atrocities-and-americas-alliance-with-saudi-arabia&catid=101:phyllis-chesler&Itemid=58

    ”The history of Communism should perhaps tell us that all we will see is more death destruction and eventual disillusionment the only question is how long will it take”

    Wingnut history =

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Marcos

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

    And we don’t have to wait to see it all again =

    http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/

    http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2011/05/09/257131_news.html

    Yes Iain, you and your Wingnut friends will ‘save’ us from global warming as you clearly are better than us………and smarter than science it seems…..go you wingnuts!

  4. God this seminar is boring. Bring on the alcohol, thank God it’s the last one.
    Home James, and don’t spare the horses. BTW, would be interested if you would tell me where you see this is coming from ? I think it is going the long way round via home, but perhaps you can tell me via email ? ;)

    That’s the whole point isn’t it ? Where do we, as a society, strike that happy balance ? Industries are moving to China in huge numbers. The reasons aren’t hard to see. Cheap slave labour, no environmental controls, and a perceivably lower tax regime. Look at Hardies ? A classic example after the asbestos fiasco ? They bolted Australia so fast, they left skid marks of fire ?

    The Australian consumer is a lot more “aware” these days. We try to buy clean manufactured products whenever we can. The problem is that the ones that are doing the harm, are discreetly hidden amongst these feel good brands. No name products are a classic example. The term, made from Australian and imported ingredients now is pretty much standard fare on our cans. That should ring home to everyone ? A true sign of corporate piracy, and hell bent greed, to make certain their balance sheets look good, for an even more greedy stock market ?

    All the while, the respective governments, of both persuasions, sit back, happy to accept the cream off the top in taxation, duties, and GST et al, and do nothing, and wonder why the Australian voters won’t and don’t take them seriously when asking for their votes ?

  5. And we are all a part of this Greed Sax, through our super and fantastic (by world standards) public services.

    You can’t blame any one person, but the ‘pollution is our friend ‘ mob that supports Tony Abbott and gives the wingnuts their talking points, (think Bolt and the other anti-Australian trouble makers) are showing us what self interest and greed is all about.

  6. How is it that we have demonised something that was clearly good for mankind into something that is bad, being industrialisation? How many advances in health and education, as well as the general freedom of mankind, have come about as a result of the discovery that carbon (a naturally created product) provides energy to produce, feed, warm, travel and generate positive outcomes?

    The argument that it’s about “greed” and “shifting the balance” is just taking it all a step too far. We’ve just been using what was put there to be used in the first place and we shouldn’t be made to feel so guilty about that.

    As for “greed”, well, the Romans were pretty “greedy” back in the years before we produced a lot of CO2. Bloody murderous and ruthless in fact. Same goes for a lot of empires. Greed exists – it’s inherent in man’s nature and will always be so. But it’s not greed that is driving this issue (the burning of fossil fuels), it’s about survival. And carbon has actually enhanced our survival – so far at least.

    However, obviously we cannot go on burning fossil fuels forever and we need to find viable and cleaner alternatives. And we will. I think there’s a lot of panic talk and over-reaction to the whole issue of climate change. Back in the pre-industrialisation days cities were cesspits, there was no sewerage and plagues were rife. Life expectancy was low and infant mortality high. But we cleaned it up and we changed.

    We will also (eventually) change to other energy sources but I’m sick of people ramming it down my throat.

  7. “The argument that it’s about “greed” and “shifting the balance” is just taking it all a step too far. We’ve just been using what was put there to be used in the first place and we shouldn’t be made to feel so guilty about that. “

    The greed as I see it Ray, is in the view that we have a ‘right’ to use as much dirty energy as we wish, regardless of the impact or potential impact on future humans.

    We should feel guilty if what we are doing is robbing the future from our kids. Especially if it is just to keep our income levels at the top of the tree. The carbon price won’t harm anyone, as you have said, it’s a wingnut storm in a teacup.

    “I’m sick of people ramming it down my throat.”

    If that were the case Ray you would not be arguing on a political blog. I don’t think you’re sick of hearing about it at all.

    This is not first and foremost a political issue, it is after all about science. Those who choose to appose change for political reasons are doing us a disservice. It is those people on the right that keep telling us that the sky will fall if we price carbon that are a real problem for our children and their future. The real risk to this country, as told by the best people we have, is from endless increases in carbon in the atmosphere, not from a small carbon price that will have little impact on our life. Iain and wingnut hyperbole on this is OTT.

  8. Craigy, I said I’m sick of having it rammed down my throat, and I certainly am. I’m only commenting about it here (which I rarely do because the debates on climate change are so circular and boring) because the carbon tax now looks like like becoming a reality and is being “forced down our throats” whether we agree with it or not.

    My problem with the carbon tax is I do not believe the govt will use it to develop new energy sources. Gillard has already admitted that it’s about making electricity so expensive that we’ll be forced to fork out big time for serious solar collectors or go without. And that is poor government. Now, I agree it’s good if we do go solar in our homes but we shouldn’t be forced to do it in this manner and so soon – it’s poor government and shows no leadership, real solutions or vision.

    Quite frankly, I do think we could carry on as we have been doing for quite some time yet and this is all premature. Do you know that it’s (scientifically) predicted that in 2050 the world’s population will peak and thereafter go into decline as third world countries become more industrialised, thereby reducing the amount of fuel needed? That’s just a small example of how something “bad” can actually produce something good.

    Btw, you are claiming “the sky is falling” if we don’t have a carbon tax as much as you claim those opposed to carbon tax are. You’ve clearly said so.

  9. Btw, I agree that it’s also too politicised. Abbott and his supporters are hypocrites because it is absolutely for certain that even if he wins in 2013 he will keep the tax – just like Labor kept the GST that they once opposed.

  10. Ray I think that you will certainly be wrong about this:

    it is absolutely for certain that even if he wins in 2013 he will keep the tax – just like Labor kept the GST that they once opposed.

    Tony Abbott has specifically said that he will repeal the tax that Gillard has so deceitfully created and he would be quite rightly pilloried if he failed to do so

  11. Ray
    I’m confident enough to put a bottle of Scotch on the the tax being repealed by Tony Abbott, That is assuming that it even gets through the parliament in the first place which is not in any sense certain anyway in fact I would not be surprised if Gillard does not secretly wish that some one like Wilkie would vote against it enabling her to say to the Greens that she tried and failed and then she can drop it like the politically toxic pill that it so very clearly is.

  12. That’s like putting a bet on a footy team to win simply because you barrack for them. When did any government ever chuck out a tax? They won’t do it, Iain.

  13. Well you can look forward to a bottle of Scotch in 2013 can’t you?
    But seriously if you think about it, having made such a fuss about Julia saying one thing before the last election and then doing the exact opposite He would take a huge hit on his credibility if he does not keep his promise to repeal the tax. He just has to do it even if the back-room boys say Think of the MONEY!!!!

  14. Like Rocky Ray., he only lost bout one. Then he beat shit out of all the other contenders. All of them, like the ALP, cheats and rogues. Killers too, but only the NSW ALP can be accused of that. :-)

  15. Ray
    Talk about missing the point. The Boxer’s not a loser. The boxer goes, “…..but the FIGHTER still remains.”

    Interesting likeness to your faith in Gillard though.

    “I have squandered my resistance
    For a pocket full of mumbles such are promises
    All lies and jests
    Still a man hears what he wants to hear
    And disregards the rest ”
    Lie lie lie lie lie lie lie.

    Lie la lie.
    “THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD!”

  16. Don’t worry, Abbott is sprouting the same lie – he (or whoever gets his job) will keep the carbon tax when and if they return to government. He only opposes it now for a point of difference. Make no mistake, he’s having you on.

  17. Ray – I am confused, what is it that you are against, the tax or Abbott. This tax is not a child of Abbotts.

  18. OK, Ray, while it’s apparently here to stay, it is the Labor buffoons who are bringing it in. Vote in the Messiah, Rudd, and what’d ya’ get? A bunch of untried, untrue, as it turns out, and untested bureaucrats trying to run the country. At least the Libs can resurrect Turnbull, Labor has nothing, no-one and not a leg to stand on. It will be years before they recover from this debacle of an incumbency.

    Mind you, the LIbs won’t be far behind if they don’t give Turnbull his head…but that’s just my opinion.

  19. I’ll have the same bet with you as with Craigy Ray. Bottle o Red on Gillard not being PM by November – and from you – another Bottle o Red when Abbott moves into the lodge.

  20. Sorry Iain, but if Abbott wins the next election, I also feel that he won’t repeal it. It will be the same as when labor won after the GST was introduced. They didn’t, even after their continual whining and rabble-rousing about it, was it repealed ? Nup ! It would be the same here, with the new tax. Once it’s in, it will stay in, and watch our manufacturing industry begin the exodus off shore. Then watch the respective government back room deals (both parties btw), to stop that from happening.

    For us long suffering tax payers, employers et al there is always hope.
    Speaking of boxers, this one should ring a bell ?

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