It is sadly amusing the way that our latte sipping friends want to insist that there is nothing in Islamic culture that encourages immigrant Muslim men to “groom ” or rape the young women of the countries that have welcomed them. Of course such problems are not evident in every individual who prays in the direction of Mecca but when you have a respected member of the community in the UK admitting that it is a problem.
Lord Ahmed warned young Asian girls as well as white girls are targeted
Lord Ahmed, a Labour peer, said he was talking about Asian men in general and warned they can target young Asian girls as well as white girls.
He said: “They are forced into marriages and they are not happy.
“They are married to girls from overseas who they don’t have anything in common with, and they have children and a family.
“But they are looking for fun in their sexual activities and seek out vulnerable girls.
“I get a lot of criticism from Asian people who ask, ‘How can you say this about Asian men?’ But they must wake up and realise there is a problem.”
He added: “While I respect individual choice, I think the community needs to look at marriages in the UK rather than cousin marriages or economic marriages from abroad.
Religions that deny that we are creatures of flesh and blood and privilege arranged marriages of an individual’s right to choose their life partner are bound to cause more problems than they solve for humanity especially when they so easily maintain a double standard of socially acceptable behaviour within their community.
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Iain, he was talking about Asians not Muslims. And he was talking about England. Anyway, do you know of any evidence that Muslim men are more likely to “groom or rape” young Aussie girls than are, say, your born & bred Aussie paedophiles & rapists? I doubt it. I understand your concerns with some Muslim practices such as arranged marriages, burqas, female circumcision etc, but when you write posts like this one deliberately smearing Muslims as sexual predators with no evidence whatsoever is it any wonder you get up the noses of the likes of JM, PKD, Craigy, etc?
Can’t argue with history, nor deny it. Arranged marriages, for whatever purpose, are seen by most western civilised societies as an outdated, oppressive practice that has past its used date.
The human has been proven to be a creature of habit, and historical repetitive behavioural patterns. Our kids are exposed to our behaviour when growing up, and more often than not, take on these traits, good or bad. They learn their disrespect of women from their fathers, grandfathers et al. So future change of the situation under these circumstances seems unlikely does it ?
Muslims are not the only ones that treat their women as possessions Ray, but they are one of the worst. To deny that problem of disrespect and oppression doesn’t exist, is short sighted, and ignorant.
We now consider women as equal in every way to men.
Is this outburst of justice real, or just for show ?
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Sax, I’m not in favour of arranged marriages either. The “outrage” (as you put it) is about Iain’s quantum leap that leads him to say that Islamic culture “encourages immigrant Muslim men to “groom ” or rape the young women of the countries that have welcomed them.” There’s just no evidence of that.
I disagree. Hard to prove, other than to relay MY first hand experiences. As I said, the Muslim faith is hardly the only holy sacred cow to claim their superiority over everyone else, is it, merely the latest ?
BTW ? There is evidence of that. What evidence ? Their SOP’s. Their history in other words. As I stated, history is nothing to be ignored, nor is their way of life.
Ever heard of arranged marriages ? I have seen Muslim children’s futures at no more than six years of age, being discussed and planned out by their parents, as if they are nothing more than chattel. Their prospective husbands, what wealth and property they will bring to the respective families, how many children they should have, what careers (or more likely what family business), they will be enslaved to, and so it goes on.
Thats a fact, and denial of that way of life, is typical western behavior of sticking ones head up their ar*e and saying it doesn’t happen.
Ray
On the contrary I think there is evidence of that and while it is very common in places like the UK or Sweden it even happens here, surely you have heard of the Scaefe brothers who are now ding long stretches in a NSW jail for a series of horrendous gang rapes? But more importantly look at the source piece I cite today there you have a Muslim Peer (member of the UK upper house) telling us about the problem with in in his own community. Oh and I would not get too hung up about the use of the term “Asian” because in the UK context that generally means someone who is either from Pakistan or Bangladesh and most likely Muslim.
That is merely anecdotal (Iain) and hearsay (Sax). It’s not evidence of a higher level of sexual grooming and rape of young girls by Muslim men at all. Until you can both produce stats that prove Muslim men commit a higher proportion of paedophile and rape acts against Australian children I suggest you are both pissing in the wind and exhibiting extreme bias.
Btw Sax – I don’t disagree with you about arranged marriages being shit, and I’ve already said that. The issue here is whether or not this makes Muslims more likely to “groom & rape”. That’s what you need to answer and prove.
Sorry you blokes. I agree with Ray.
Anyway arranged marriages are practised by so many people that it is impossible to characterise anyone practising that as any sort of individual or group.
You’d need to count in the arranged marriage tribes such a diverse group as Jews, Mormons, Hindu Indians, as well as the rest of the Asians you talking about who are often Buddhist peoples.
Just because a tradition is practiced by a lot of people Lin, doesn’t make it right does it ?
My point guys is not specifically against the Muslim faith, rather against their continuing belittlement of their women ? I realise that I am judging this behavior from my side of the street, but that should not negate the concern ?
They consider their women as possessions rather than partners. I know that is a sexist, and a generalist approach, but in my times in the Middle East over the last twenty or so, I have seen first hand what is going on. My missus gave up coming with me years ago, as all she wanted to do was go after these creeps with a shot gun, and I can’t say I blame her in the least. Women are treated like second hand citizens, and that ain’t likely to change any time soon is it ?
We all have heard the stories of sons being adored, and daughters sometimes sold off to be nothing more than slave labour. This isn’t heresay, this is fact. Its been going on for thousands of years, and will probably continue for a few thousand more ?
Ray,
Lord Ahmed’s comments were made in a British context. In the UK today, the euphemism “Asians” is understood to mean Muslim, regardless of the fact that it lumps in many groups under one uncomfortable umbrella.
Ahmed’s comments come after the police arrested a number of men for ‘grooming’ offences, the large majority of whom were Muslims.