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The Latte sipper, your typical Greens voter…

One of the things that I have long delighted in is taunting the lefties with the epithet “latte sipper” and boy do they hate it! They hate more than anything because they know that that there is some truth in the suggestion that they are wealthy  dilettantes who make a big show of the righteous solidarity with the poor and downtrodden, although they really have nothing but disdain for those who are really doing it tough. You know the ones that our Latte sipping friends would call “Bogans”, or Westies .  Latte sippers are generally university educated, they are quite often members of the cultural  elite they just love their  overseas holidays, they always have the latest phones, the flashiest lap tops, an Ipod (never one of those very cheap generic MP3 players), they wear nice designer clothes, live at a fashionable address, but perhaps one of the most defining features of the species “lattius Sippius” is that they tend to vote for the  Loopy Greens

The Greens rally in Adelaide for the 2007 campaign. Sarah Hanson-Young, seen with her daughter, Kora, won a Senate seat in that election. Picture: Tait Schmaal Source: The Australian

Greens votes in 2007 were defined by what they studied at university: arts, society and culture, architecture and education. Professionally they tended to be consultants, or worked in the media, health or education.

Greens 07 were very well-paid inner-urban renters who made extensive use of public transport and had few religious convictions. They tend not to have children until their late 30s, if at all, which makes them even richer and gives them lots of spare time to organise local political activities and annoy the rest of us.

Some of them still haunt uni campuses, churning out more Greens arts graduates, but increasingly now the Greens comprise a well-heeled professional group. Most are inner-urban dwellers in their 20s and 30s, sending their one rather indulged child to a private school. In their 40s and 50s, they adjourn to nice spots such as Noosa or a pretty little tax-deductible farming property, dabbling in winemaking or exotic fruit, while they send their children to the same inner-city private school, but as five-day boarders.

In their dotage they move back to the outer suburbs, with worm farms and backyard chook pens, tending their raised vegetable beds according to the Peter Cundall weekly gardening guide.

In retirement, their income from superannuation is second only to that of the average Liberal. They’re still rich compared with Labor voters and they’re still dependent on income from shares through superannuation. They also start buying more shares.

In all phases of life, Greens are distinct from the typical Labor, Liberal or Nationals demographic but remain supportive of Labor for social rather than economic reasons. Not unlike middle-class Catholics in the 1950s and 60s.

But, as in the 50s and 60s, the evidence from 2007 shows the Greens bloc is shifting away from Labor in terms of voting for its economic, rather than its social, interests.

Politically, in 2007 the Greens were strongly linked to all the main groups swinging to the Coalition after preferences. A big Greens vote in the inner-city professional seats meant a swing to the Coalition after preferences, because the Greens took more primary votes from Labor candidates than they gave back in second preferences, even though their preference drift to Labor averaged almost 80 per cent.

The rest of the piece from the Oz goes on to argue that with the sort of drift to the Greens from Labor’s primary vote and the fact that even a relatively small percentage eventually finding their way to the coalition could cost the Labor party government.I love the way that the piece also supports my contention that many of those Greens are really the epitome of what I call the “silver-tail socialists” who espouse a far left set of sensibilities while they take an almost guilty pleasure in trying to make astute investments in stocks and shares  or houses to rent out and how they agonize about their superannuation.

They are also very keen to employ economic experts and investment advisors, but you probably can’t hold that against them, quite simply because they actually have to do this to compensate for their natural ineptitude in matters financial.

Cheers Comrades

A hat tip to  “Kevin Lusk” who tells me he is a fan of this blog

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32 Comments

  1. Ray Dixon says:

    I can’t say I agree with all those sweeping generalisations, Iain. I reckon the profile of the so-called typical Green described above fits equally with many Liberal & Labor voters too. I don’t think a majority of Green voters are wealthy, university educated, no kids (or one kid @ private school) types either. In fact I’d say a majority of Green supporters actually live either a pretty normal life or one that is quite spartan (feral even).

    Overall I think there is a broad mix among all the partys’ supporters. I couldn’t help but notice though, this rather strange exchange involving “Two Ls” Phill (remember him?) and a rather outspoken Green. Have a good read of how Two Ls is mysteriously co-erced into voting Green, or at least how he is talked around to the idea. If I didn’t know better (???!!!) I’d swear the two were the same person. It starts here:

    http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/i-am-too-lazy-to-form-an-opinion/#comment-17388

  2. Iain Hall says:

    Well Ray generalizations are just that, general and not definitive but I think that when it comes to the green supporters in our cities the Piece I cite in the Oz is pretty right,
    Yes its very sad to see Phill seduced by the Latte sippers But I do seem to recall that he was a strong Labor man and now he is like a lot of that persuasion stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to voting next time. Like a drug dealer seeing a strung out punter they swooped on poor Phill offering a free taste of their drugs. Before long the poor chap will be mugging little old ladies just so he can buy that next latte. Its not a nice way to go ;)

  3. Ray Dixon says:

    Nah, my daughter and her husband live in the city and, in many ways, they fit that profile, but they’re Liberal through & through. I do not know how that happened – I thought I brought her up better than that. I blame her husband.

    As for Two Ls, I find it hard to believe that such a brazen and full-on character as he was here (and over there, mostly) could be so easily swayed by J’s sweet talking. You know what I’m saying?

  4. Leon Bertrand says:

    “In fact I’d say a majority of Green supporters actually live either a pretty normal life or one that is quite spartan (feral even).”

    The ‘spartan’ ones are university students, before they acquire money and adopt the latte left lifestyle.

  5. lynot says:

    The “Latte Left” your little epithet would be clever if it was you that originally coined the phrase, but like all conservative insults, infantile nonsense.Your four or five paragraph mini essay on what defines a “Green voter” has more holes than a swiss cheese.

    You know I love the right, they have managed by some sophistry, to have actually convinced a few ordinary people, that being, the working class, the battlers, social security recipients, the sick and the maimed, that the conservative ideology, contrary to what a library full of books can confirm, the most unbelievable fairy story ever spun that, “We care about you”. Yes folks we conservatives really do want a better life for you, we can all own a Rolls Royce or a private plane, just vote for us, and we’ll take you to the promised land.Well! a few of our mates maybe?

    Let me see what is it they call it again the “Trickle down effect” or more likely the “Golden rule” Those with the Gold make the rules.If I should live to be a thousand years old, I will never understand the mentality of the right.You really do believe your own rhetoric.

    So Iain all of those thousands of confused business people that support the Labor party or Greens, and they must because it is impossible in the Australian demographic for just workers to vote to elect a party are all Latte sippers?

    You really are a tricker ain’t you? I ‘ve got you sussed ,you just like to argue, no bastard would write this stuff and be expected to be taken seriously.

  6. Boy on a bike says:

    Balmain is tipped to vote in a Green at the next state election. From my many trips to Balmain to buy a latte (yes, i am a latte drinker), I can state that many of the residents are very wealthy, university educated and have one or no kids. I’d say that they are generally wealthier than Liberal voters.

  7. Ray Dixon says:

    No Leon, the spartan ones live out in the hills, not far from here. Typically they have no electricity or running water and grow their own. They grow their own food too.

  8. Iain Hall says:

    Lynot

    The “Latte Left” your little epithet would be clever if it was you that originally coined the phrase, but like all conservative insults, infantile nonsense.Your four or five paragraph mini essay on what defines a “Green voter” has more holes than a swiss cheese.

    Well I’ll take my justification from Oscar Wilde who was notorious for stealing and recycling quips and clever epithets. Just because I did not think of it first does not mean that it is no longer and effective rhetorical device. Oh yeah swiss cheese is delightful with a subtle taste that makes it very good and popular , despite any holes within its slices ;)

    You know I love the right, they have managed by some sophistry, to have actually convinced a few ordinary people, that being, the working class, the battlers, social security recipients, the sick and the maimed, that the conservative ideology, contrary to what a library full of books can confirm, the most unbelievable fairy story ever spun that, “We care about you”. Yes folks we conservatives really do want a better life for you, we can all own a Rolls Royce or a private plane, just vote for us, and we’ll take you to the promised land.Well! a few of our mates maybe?

    The thing is Lynot, I am very far from being in love with the economic right and to some extent I agree with those who critique the excesses of the greed and consumption ethos. For me the attractions of conservatism are to be found in social issues and questions of personal morality.

    Let me see what is it they call it again the “Trickle down effect” or more likely the “Golden rule” Those with the Gold make the rules.If I should live to be a thousand years old, I will never understand the mentality of the right.You really do believe your own rhetoric.

    Your lack of understanding probably stems from believing that the “right” as you call it are a monolithic bloc of people who are all dedicated to greed power and the acquisition of wealth.

    So Iain all of those thousands of confused business people that support the Labor party or Greens, and they must because it is impossible in the Australian demographic for just workers to vote to elect a party are all Latte sippers?

    All you need to do is realise that people are all individuals who vote for different reasons

    You really are a tricker ain’t you? I ‘ve got you sussed ,you just like to argue, no bastard would write this stuff and be expected to be taken seriously.

    Well in my very first post I did say that” I love a good argument” and I have been known to play devils advocate just for a bit of fun but like a lot of stand up comedians I often have a serious purpose as well and on this occasion I think that the piece that I quote from the Oz has something worthwhile to say about the demographic of Green voters.
    Ray
    Good to see that not all of your family are so wedded to the left , But the beauty of that is that you must have some lively discussions at family Barbies !
    Leon
    You are right about the way that the children of the rich become infected with the green religion while at school/Uni and that is probably explained some what with the numbers of priests of the faith take up the teaching profession so they can infect as many young minds as possible
    BOAB
    Your first hand observations are entirely consistent with the argument from the Oz Piece and I thank you for them. As for your Latte addiction I dearly hope that you have not sunk so low as to drink that most poisonous variation, the “soy-Latte” because if it has then you need to seek treatment as soon as possible for the sake of your immortal soul ;)

  9. Craigy says:

    To take this thread in a less comical direction I would like to ask your opinion.

    I work at a Uni, though I’m not an academic. I have noticed that across the board most of the senior academics I know lean to the left, not hard left, but ALP/Greens voters. The only ones who seem to lean to the right are those from the business school and the senior university management (who all have MBA’s). The University is generally controlled (teaching policy/industrial style) by those who identify with the right.

    I wonder your views on why people who study science, media and the arts seem to be more left and those who study business, management and advertising seem to be of the right.

    I am generalising of course, and I am actually interested to see what you think of this.
    Do you think this is a problem that could be fixed in some way?
    Should more lefties study business?
    Should more rightists study the arts?

    Oh and Iain, why am I not to be trusted, as you said in the last thread, what are you afraid I might do? You know who I am, where I live and where I work, it seems a bit silly.

  10. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy

    I am generalising of course, and I am actually interested to see what you think of this.

    When I was at Uni I had just about no contact with the administrators or those who managed the business of teh instoitutions so I will defer to you on just what their politics are. However i don’t think that it is surprisong that when the government wants Universities to be run in a more business like manner that the educational institutions should be staffed by those with an expertise in businessand as you have observed they tend to be more conservative.

    Do you think this is a problem that could be fixed in some way?

    I’m a great believer in the notion of a broadly based education ,I am after all an Arts graduate who dearly loved his time studying.

    Should more lefties study business?

    I think that the notion of “business studies” is actually rather odd the essence of any successful business, is finding a niche in the market and being able to exploit it. and running business well is all about controlling your costs and that just need good management and good book keeping. that said many Latte sippers do try their hand at business and then they learn that being all touchy feely does not always cut it.

    Should more rightists study the arts?

    Many do (like yours truly) and they end up being better people for it.

  11. Craigy says:

    “Should more rightists study the arts?

    Many do (like yours truly) and they end up being better people for it.”

    I gather from that comment that you don’t belive the assertion (repeated by Leon above) that Uni’s are a breading ground for leftists and that all teachers are infecting young people with some leftist virus or some such thing?

    What is with the anti education stuff we see so often from ‘right wing warriors’…..I just don’t get it?

    And Iain, could you have a go at answering my final question in my last post please?

  12. lynot says:

    “Your lack of understanding probably stems from believing that the “right” as you call it are a monolithic bloc of people who are all dedicated to greed power and the acquisition of wealth.”

    Iain my understanding process is just fine thanks.I think it’s you who is actually a little confused here.There is absolutely no misunderstanding of the rights “Raison d’etre ” anyone with a modicum of gray matter, and has read a few books knows the “Right”controls, with their wealth and power, the total economic, social, and in a lot of cases, culture of a society.They control the media, which in turn controls us by the use of subtle propaganda.

    They have no trouble getting half the working class to beat up on the other half, and getting uneducated shills to further the myth, that the modern progressive lefts ideology is somehow in line with Stalin, Mao, or any other leftist murdering scum bag from the mists of time.The mining industry at this very moment is all over it self, suggesting Rudd, should live in Russia or China.They are the experts at running fear campaigns, and I will always give them credit for that.Throw enough shit and some will stick.

    Yes I know what the right is all about.

  13. Iain Hall says:

    Craigy

    I gather from that comment that you don’t believe the assertion (repeated by Leon above) that Uni’s are a breading ground for leftists and that all teachers are infecting young people with some leftist virus or some such thing?

    I tend to think that there is something in what Leon was saying Craigy, and I certainly noticed that if you wanted to do well in certain subjects then it was a good idea to run the party line in your answers to questions or in the content of your essays.

    What is with the anti education stuff we see so often from ‘right wing warriors’…..I just don’t get it?

    Well nor do I Craigy but I do think that formal education have become a some what over hyped thing and as I have written it can go to the ridiculous lengths as I have suggested here before

    And Iain, could you have a go at answering my final question in my last post please?

    Not in public Craigy,
    I will send you an email later

  14. Iain Hall says:

    Lynot

    Iain my understanding process is just fine thanks.I think it’s you who is actually a little confused here.

    Me confused??? Surely you jest !!!

    There is absolutely no misunderstanding of the rights “Raison d’etre ” anyone with a modicum of gray matter, and has read a few books knows the “Right”controls, with their wealth and power, the total economic, social, and in a lot of cases, culture of a society.

    Oh I don’t know that I would not make such a board sweeping claim like that. In any case my feeling is that the ownership of the economy by either a bunch of oligarchs or by a mob of a totalitarian socialists is not going to have a much different outcome fro the common people and at least the former are honest about their aim being to enrich themselves and they are less inclined to kill those of disagree with their opponents. (how many people did Uncle Joe send to Siberia or just starve to death? more than 30 million I gather) Look I am no fan of rampant capitalism but is Marxist socialism is the alternative then I’ll support the system that gives us the best standard of living.

    They control the media, which in turn controls us by the use of subtle propaganda.

    I think that this is a significant overstatement and one that harks back to the time before the INTERNET now the control of information to and from the public is not so amenable to control and ideological filtering. It is further undermined by the more general cynicism about advertising and just what is claimed by anyone.

    They have no trouble getting half the working class to beat up on the other half, and getting uneducated shills to further the myth, that the modern progressive lefts ideology is somehow in line with Stalin, Mao, or any other leftist murdering scum bag from the mists of time.

    What are you on about here???

    The mining industry at this very moment is all over it self, suggesting Rudd, should live in Russia or China.They are the experts at running fear campaigns, and I will always give them credit for that.Throw enough shit and some will stick.

    I have managed to just about totally avoid both the Government advertising and that by the mining industry so I don’t know precisely what you are referring too but when it comes to this government most of the shit that is adhering to it comes from their own ineptitude.

    Yes I know what the right is all about.

    And I know just as well what the left is about :)

  15. Ray Dixon says:

    Btw Iain, you can delete my comment if you like. The point is made and I don’t want to drag this HJ thing out any further.

  16. Iain Hall says:

    I have deleted the comment Ray, while I don’t want the bickering to go on and further the reason is more to do with what I said to you in the email the other day, something that I don’t want to discuss in public.

  17. Iain Hall says:

    Jim Enough is enough OK!?

  18. lynot says:

    “I think that this is a significant overstatement and one that harks back to the time before the INTERNET now the control of information to and from the public is not so amenable to control and ideological filtering. It is further undermined by the more general cynicism about advertising and just what is claimed by anyone”

    Iain you and about two other people I know, don’t believe the media in this country has more bias than a Pomey wind jammer.It is so obvious, especially in the Murdoch domain to be laughable.There are many sites dedicated to exposing just this bias.Not everyone is connected to the net, and I would put it to you that the “swinging voters” that make and break governments are all of my vintage 60+ and a computer to them is something the kids use.I know hardly anyone my vintage using the net.No they listen to the subtle nuances of the journalistic prostitutes that invade our homes every evening.

    “(how many people did Uncle Joe send to Siberia or just starve to death? more than 30 million I gather) ”

    You see Iain you have already proved my point.How many people did right wing junta’s kill in South America,? the Nazi’s ? (who were not socialist and this point I will not even debate with you) it is all irrelevant in the modern context.You keep harping back to a past ideology, that was not even remotely similar to todays progressive left.

    ” What are you on about here???”

    Iain my point here is, the working class, just like the ruling class, will sell their souls if the price is right.They will after being brain washed by the right, join them in a cause which for them in the end will do them no good.The Labor party is full of Ägent provocatuers”who I might add are not small fish in the pecking order.

    To quote the English philosopher Charles Kingsley. “A working man who deserts his own class, tries to get on and rise above it, enters into a lie”

    Iain that you havn’t been following the mining tax debate too deep is fairly obvious so I will pass on further remarks.

  19. JM says:

    Iain: an Ipod (never one of those very cheap generic MP3 players)

    So “iPod user” is the new synonym for “latte sipper”?????

    iPod’s are 80% of the market Iain, surely you wouldn’t suggest that the latte left comprises 80% of the country?

  20. Iain Hall says:

    JM
    Your maths is wonky , 80% of the market means 80% of those who buy MP3 players not 80% of the population, secondly I doubt that that figure is correct given the number of generic players out there, and finally the point was to say that your typical Latte sipper would of course have the iconic device when it comes to techno toys rather than just a generic one because they want to show how hip and cool they are.

  21. Iain Hall says:

    Lynot

    Iain you and about two other people I know, don’t believe the media in this country has more bias than a Pomey wind jammer.It is so obvious, especially in the Murdoch domain to be laughable.There are many sites dedicated to exposing just this bias.Not everyone is connected to the net, and I would put it to you that the “swinging voters” that make and break governments are all of my vintage 60+ and a computer to them is something the kids use.I know hardly anyone my vintage using the net.No they listen to the subtle nuances of the journalistic prostitutes that invade our homes every evening.

    Well I think that you are wrong. I studied media when I got my degree and I think that the direct influence of the media is inversely proportional to its saturation in a society. In other words the more media that there is the less powerful that any individual or section of it is. Further there is barely a household out there now where there is not at least one computer and an Internet connection and I know lots of over 60’s who use and enjoy the net . Finally most of the swinging voters are in fact middle aged with kids in the burbs.

    You see Iain you have already proved my point.How many people did right wing junta’s kill in South America,? the Nazi’s ? (who were not socialist and this point I will not even debate with you) it is all irrelevant in the modern context.You keep harping back to a past ideology, that was not even remotely similar to todays progressive left.

    I don’t have to harp back to Mao and Starlin to find examples of the evils of socialism, all I have to do is look to Chavez in Venezuela for a perfect example of socialism in action and how many of your Latte sippers love what he is doing , even though it is far from being good or honest?

    Iain my point here is, the working class, just like the ruling class, will sell their souls if the price is right.They will after being brain washed by the right, join them in a cause which for them in the end will do them no good.The Labor party is full of Ägent provocatuers”who I might add are not small fish in the pecking order.

    You see I think that “Class” is such an outdated concept and that one of the great things about this country is that we have managed to avoid the rigid social structures that so blight the country of my birth. That said I have always said that I support a conservative social position ( disliking things like promiscuity, abortion, gay marriage and moral relativism) rather than the economic agendas of the coalition. But the main reason that I don’t support this government is that they are just total idiots when it comes to the way that they administer their programs.

    To quote the English philosopher Charles Kingsley. “A working man who deserts his own class, tries to get on and rise above it, enters into a lie”

    Well I think that Kingsly is wrong if the working man decides to move to the side and to get out of the rat race as I have. The great shame of the working class is that they have willingly bough into the consumer treadmill.

    Iain that you havn’t been following the mining tax debate too deep is fairly obvious so I will pass on further remarks.

    Just because I have managed to avoid the worst excesses of the advertising does not mean that I have not been following the HooHar. I think that the government have shot themselves in the foot with their advertising campaign, they gave up their moral high ground on taxpayer funded advertising for what? some really boring and ineffectual ads that don’t even sell their position well. Now that is ineptitude with a capital “IN”

  22. lynot says:

    Well I think that you are wrong. I studied media when I got my degree and I think that the direct influence of the media is inversely proportional to its saturation in a society. In other words the more media that there is the less powerful that any individual or section of it is. Further there is barely a household out there now where there is not at least one computer and an Internet connection and I know lots of over 60′s who use and enjoy the net . Finally most of the swinging voters are in fact middle aged with kids in the burbs. “

    Iain please spare me what you have studied for a degree, I have had a modicum of education myself.There are statistics available to clarify both our positions, ” lies, damn lies, and statistics”

    Conservatism is about, now matter how you try to spin it, about obtaining wealth by the exploitation of capital and work units, that’s us.Class is alive and well in Australia and has been since they dropped anchor in Botany Bay in 1788.To deny this salient fact, is delusional.Even our justice system, health programs, and education system is based on how much money one has.Not always connected to class obviously, so let not get all pedant.When national service was a part of our life, many individuals got away with serving because of family connections.(Class). I didn’t know too many bankers sons, or sons of captains of industry serving on the front line.

    You again refer to left wing despots, again proving my point.” Chavez”.His performance or otherwise is again, just an opinion from your fragmented muddled concept of politics.Your list of likes including promiscuity is a hoot.This confirms to me you haven’t been outside the confines of your own mind.Promiscuity is the reality of what we are as homo sapiens.Even the clergy can’t rise above it, wanting to root little boys.You have obviously not been in the services, or a shearing shed?Men will fuck dogs on rusty chains given the opportunity, I have as they say “Been around”. Conservatives bemoan the unmarried mother problem we have in society, but love to get those same womens ankles back behind their ears on a Saturday night.You must get out more Iain :)

    The mining tax?Iain it is not going to matter a jot how inept you think the government is, they’re getting back into office, end of story.

  23. Iain Hall says:

    Lynot

    Iain please spare me what you have studied for a degree, I have had a modicum of education myself.There are statistics available to clarify both our positions, ” lies, damn lies, and statistics”

    You seem confused In one breath you claim that the people are eminently malleable by the “media” and you seem to be suggesting that this thesis can be proved by statistics, then you want to suggest that those statistics are not to be trusted. Frankly I don’t think that you know that much about just how the mass media works at all.

    Conservatism is about, now matter how you try to spin it, about obtaining wealth by the exploitation of capital and work units, that’s us.

    Duh! no it isn’t

    1. The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order.
    2. A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and opposition to sudden change in the established order.
    3. Conservatism The principles and policies of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or of the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
    4. Caution or moderation, as in behavior or outlook.

    source
    For me it is more than anything definitions one and two. It is not about blatant capitalism in fact I support a reasonable balancing of the interests of the ordinary people and the potential for those same ordinary people to make something of their lives through their own enterprises.

    Class is alive and well in Australia and has been since they dropped anchor in Botany Bay in 1788.To deny this salient fact, is delusional.

    Sure there are people who thinks so but it is by no means as significant as it ever was in the UK and frankly our egalitarian ethos significantly undermines it .

    Even our justice system, health programs, and education system is based on how much money one has.Not always connected to class obviously, so let not get all pedant.

    Oh come on in all of those areas the poor are pretty well treated, we have universal health care, free eduction and legal aid for people accused of crime, sure those with means can go private but whay is that a bad thing?

    When national service was a part of our life, many individuals got away with serving because of family connections.(Class). I didn’t know too many bankers sons, or sons of captains of industry serving on the front line.

    You are showing your age Lynot ;) we have not had national service since Whitlem held the lodge.

    You again refer to left wing despots, again proving my point.” Chavez”.His performance or otherwise is again, just an opinion from your fragmented muddled concept of politics.

    Are you an admirer of Hugo or something?

    Your list of likes including promiscuity is a hoot.This confirms to me you haven’t been outside the confines of your own mind.Promiscuity is the reality of what we are as homo sapiens.Even the clergy can’t rise above it, wanting to root little boys.You have obviously not been in the services, or a shearing shed?Men will fuck dogs on rusty chains given the opportunity, I have as they say “Been around”.

    Well so have I, but that is why that I think that promiscuity is not such a good idea I also think that just because something is possible or there is an inclination towards doing it that we should just throw up our arms in the air and say “go for it” I am not saying that we can totally resist the biological imperative but there is no reason to think that we have to be slaves to lust.

    Conservatives bemoan the unmarried mother problem we have in society, but love to get those same womens ankles back behind their ears on a Saturday night.You must get out more Iain :)

    I get out plenty! and frankly I don’t see things in terms of the “Upper classes” treating the plebes as their personal whores and lackeys, nor do I care about any “unmarried mother problem” the way that you seem to think conservative should be. I know a few women who have/ are raising their children on their own and I dips me lid to them when they do a good job , just as I dips me lid to any couple who do like wise.

    The mining tax?Iain it is not going to matter a jot how inept you think the government is, they’re getting back into office, end of story.

    Rudd will either get done in a party coup or he will lose the election. The mining tax won’t even get trough the parliament before the election so perhaps you should not be counting those chickens just yet.

  24. JM says:

    Iain it’s not my maths, its your understanding of common terms.

    Market means “of those sold” ie. 80% of all MP3 players sold are iPods, nothing to do with population at all.

    It’s true. Deal with it.

  25. Iain Hall says:

    JM
    Prove that 80% of MP3 players sold are iPods please
    And I will remind you that it was you who was making outrageous claims not I

  26. JM says:

    First google result for “ipod market share”

    iPod market share at 73.8 percent, 225 million iPods sold (9 Sept 2009)

    Then there’s the wiki page

    Since October 2004, the iPod line has dominated digital music player sales in the United States, with over 90% of the market for hard drive-based players and over 70% of the market for all types of players.[59] During the year from January 2004 to January 2005, the high rate of sales caused its U.S. market share to increase from 31% to 65% and in July 2005, this market share was measured at 74%. In January 2007 the iPod market share reached 72.7% according to Bloomberg Online.

    That’s Bloomberg Iain. In case you don’t know who that is, Bloomberg are a market news and data supplier who have been eating Reuters lunch over the last 20 years. ie. a serious provider of business news, an organization quite unlike the Daily Mail.

    Should I go on? Or is that enough proof for you?

  27. Iain Hall says:

    Well JM that certainly is not 80% now is it? nor can you legitimately claim that I am using iPod ownership to define leftism either. You are so desperate to prove me wrong that you don’t even get that I am using things like the iPod as a rhetorical symbol. Your problem must stem form that milky stain on your top lip….

  28. JM says:

    Iain now: nor can you legitimately claim that I am using iPod ownership to define leftism either.

    Iain in original post:
    Latte sippers …. always have the latest phones, the flashiest lap tops, an Ipod (never one of those very cheap generic MP3 players) ….

    Snap.

  29. Iain Hall says:

    Yawn JM
    the point is not that an iPod defines# a latte Sipper but that they have to have the right “brand ” of any techno toy as my sentence says.

    # as you want to claim my example does
    :roll:

  30. Andy B says:

    I frequently insert my iPod in my rectum, using a latte as lubricant. Where do I thus stand in the political spectrum?

  31. Iain Hall says:

    Well Andy If you tweet about it (and post pictures ) we would all know, Oh sorry but you “protect” your tweets theses days now don’t you? :lol:

  32. Ray Dixon says:

    Where do I thus stand in the political spectrum?

    With an iPod up your arse you would be standing, full stop. Permanently.

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