I love good design and the efficient use of resources, but by the same token I loathe lies and deceptions and when it comes to the hope of a bright new economic future we are being sold a pup by the likes of Al Gore and followers of the his green faith. The reality is simply that the only bright future that exists in the so called “green jobs revolution” will be for the promoters of the schemes and the academics who think up some of the wacky ideas that are floating around about the climate.
Al Gore chairman of a green investment firm, Generation Investment Management
Gore is also chairman of a greeninvestment firm called Generation Investment Management, which is a member of the Copenhagen Climate Council, an international collaboration of businesses and science bodies, and which invests in firms that produce renewable energy and low-carbon technology. So Gore uses one of his multimillion-dollar organisations, the Alliance for Climate Protection, to put pressure on government to promote the low-carbon lifestyle that will furnish one of his other multimillion-dollar organisations, General Investment Management, with booming business.
Gore’s activities provide only a glimpse into the new collusion between greens, businesses and government. So speedily has this network come together that according to one critic of the politics of environmentalism, Bjorn Lomborg, it is not going too far to liken the new green-industrial complex to the military-industrial complex that president Dwight Eisenhower warned of in the 1950s.
Governments across the world are promoting green ideology and economics on the back of the recession. President Barack Obama has spoken of a “green revolution” and spending $US150 billion to create five million “green-collar” jobs. As a result, the race is on among green-leaning businesses to snap up new government contracts and among not-so-green businesses to improve their green-industrial credentials in the hope of reaping government cash.
Yet the international evidence suggests the attempt to create green jobs will hamper economic recovery. Obama cited Spain as a country where green jobs have improved economic matters. In fact, according to a study by a professor of economics at Juan Carlos University in Madrid, for every green job created by the Spanish government in recent years, an average of 2.2 other jobs were destroyed to make way for it. Furthermore, green jobs tend not to be permanent; in Spain, only 1 in 10 green jobs exists for a significant period.
In Britain, green-industrial activists have used their political clout and scientific research, much of it derived from studies that underpin the business-science alliance of the Copenhagen Climate Council, to pressure the government to adopt a green new deal. In response, Gordon Brown announced in April that he would create 400,000 green jobs and a “low-carbon economy”.
Yet his figures don’t add up. The Brown government imagines that by 2015 it will have created 39,600 new jobs in geothermal energy, 74,900 in the development of alternative fuels, 25,300 in solar power and 69,300 in the construction of wind turbines. Yet, as a result of Britain’s debilitating crisis of credit, the renewables industry, in which tens of thousands of new jobs are apparently going to be created, is in a dire state. Five of Britain’s biggest wind-energy projects have been abandoned or put on hold indefinitely and British Petroleum recently cut 620 jobs in its solar-energy division because it wasn’t profitable. As journalist Christopher Booker argues, Brown’s “green revolution” is “babyish make-believe”.
In this country we have outlawed all sorts of Pyramid money making schemes and yet our governments seem hell bent for leather to jump into the green versions of these get rich quick schemes. With the recent news that India is not going to play the game and China doing little more than paying lip service to the Gaiaian liturgy Brother Number One and Penny W(r)ong still expect the Australian people to believe that our economy will be saved by a “green revolution” the same revolution that has been revealed as entirely bogus elsewhere, to be incapable of reliably creating even a fraction of its theoretical energy output, and as a consequence can’t make any kind of a profit….
Hmm may be instead of worrying about the Furphy of Co2 emissions our government should look to solving the real problems in our country like the abuse of our indigenous children or how to efficiently respond to big bush fires…
Cheers Comrades
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Climate change is a natural event that is not impacted by human activity.
There’s nothing we can do about it.
But maybe, just maybe, we can turn it to our advantage. If we can convince people it’s a catastrophe and link it to the human capacity for fear and guilt, maybe we can make some money out of this!
Whoo-hoo!
[Dives off diving board into swimming pool full of cash a la Scrooge McDuck.]
Well that works for Al Gore Abu,
What was it that Kermit used to sing ?
“ It’s not easy being green ? “
WTF? Of course Gore has invested in green compnies, if he hadnt then you would call him a f***ing hypocrite who wont put his moolah where his mouth is!! As for Gore getting rich, he was already rich. I dont know many “poor” ex-presidents or VPs of the US, do you?
I guess using this logic Iain I am allowed to call Steve Irwin a greedy capitalist scumbag because he “used” his campaigning for wildlife to build a big zoo not far from your joint, plus he had multimillion deals with cable TV, etc. etc. “All kneel and worship at the church of $teve Irwin!!”
“WTF? Of course Gore has invested in green compnies, if he hadnt then you would call him a f***ing hypocrite who wont put his moolah where his mouth is!!”
The point is it’s a scam. He’s making money off other people’s credulity. He should make a motzah off you, judging from your emotional response.
I dont have any money, Abu, I was swindled out of my lifes fortune by thieving f***ing Americans. And no they werent greenies.
Picture just reminded me of an episode of Stargate.
“Coomtrya !”
The AGW crowd just played the people for suckers with the help of the media. It’s kinda humorous that people are so easily conned. The Earth is cooling not warming.
From Dr. Roy Spencer the ‘uncrackpot’ scientist.
Let me illustrate. We could have full employment with green jobs today if we wanted to. We could pay each other to dig holes in the ground and then fill the holes up again, day after day, month after month. (Of course, we’ll use shovels rather than backhoes to reduce fossil fuel use.) How’s that for a green jobs program?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/03/spencer-on-waxman-markeys-cap-and-trade/#comments
Haven’t been here for a while Iain.Still one of the best sites I have seen as far as presentation is concerned. On Al Gore,similar thoughts, from my little studies of him,well he is part of Murder Inc. even if he portrays himself as benign.As a regular visitor to DavidIcke.com and Alex Jones PrisonPlanet and Rense.com it is odd the AGW crowd dont want to respect many scientists that are obviously independent minded,because their research tools and methods are mostly publically accountable.Try this one I picked up from Hard Evidence Magazine Syun Akasofu from Artic Research Center at the University of Alaska Fairbanks,AK. source http://www.sott.net 03.06.09.New Scientist devotes some of its pages to how wrong Global non-warmers are.Like I say,don’t visit here often,which isn’t an implied criticism, because you may well know by now my politics unaccounted for by your various descriptions,and tonight is very cold on the Dorrigo Plateau.Regards.
Shawn
I kinda like the windchimes and macrame option put forward by Barnaby Joyce.
Hey, Abu, nice to see you here!
Welcome back Philip,
and thanks for the kind words about the presentation of my blog. I am by inclination and long experience an artist so I have put a lot of thiught into making my web page look nice.
Oh and Dorrigo is one of those very lovely parts of the country that I have visited and very much admired.
David
as attractive as the two term may be when you have a presidential style of government I don’t think that it will work with the Westminster parliamentary system, frankly I’m hoping (yes I know it ain’t looking so likely ) that we have only one term of Brother Number One…
Kae
I must have missed a rather biting retort from Barnaby which is a shame because he can be quite witty in the dry rural Queensland manner.
David
Like you I am Stargate fan I just love the way that the show does not take itself too serious but which episode does the picture remind you of?
Hey Kae – likewise!
So is it cold in OZ?
The temperatures here in Canada have been running freakishly below normal.
9 days and no sunspots.
Iain
From the first series.
“Tinman”
The artificial lifeform, Harland, that made copies of all the team ? That was his version of “hello” ?
Looks like a weird year Shawn, no argument there.
Aah, collective denialism – it ‘warms’ my heart!
But I can answer your question Shawn as far as Victoria goes we’ve just had our driest 1st 6 months to the year in about 40 years. June also was one of the warmest June’s on record.
Neither of which proves AGW on its own as much as you seem to think that one cold summer in Canada disproves it…
“Neither of which proves AGW on its own as much as you seem to think that one cold summer in Canada disproves it…”
You said something that has truth in it. Well done.
By the way, I don’t “deny” climate change. It’s inevitable and natural.
What I question is the link with human activity.
And I don’t question the link between human activity and pollution, and its impact on fisheries and the environment. But I don’t think C qualifies as pollution. Do you?
And if you ever manage to do the same, I’ll be even more impressed Abu!
But I don’t think C qualifies as pollution. Do you?
Well Abu, I suppose that depends on whether you accept that CO2 (I assume thats what you meant by ‘C’) is a greenhouse gas, and the principle of how greenhouse gases work.
If you do accept that (like the majority of qualified scienctists), then while CO2 is a natural part of the atmosphere, its the pumping of all the CO2 that had taken millions of years of geology to lock away from the atmosphere in just a couple of hundred is going to have an affect of some level.
“If you do accept that (like the majority of qualified scienctists), then while CO2 is a natural part of the atmosphere…”
Of course I accept that. I’m not the one saying it’s a pollutant.
But to continue your point:
“…its the pumping of all the CO2 that had taken millions of years of geology to lock away from the atmosphere in just a couple of hundred is going to have an affect of some level.”
So, PKD, how do you explain periods in earth’s history prior to any industrial emissions of CO2 and the ascent of man, when the ppmv of CO2 in the atmosphere was VASTLY higher than it is today?
And (even if you tap dance about that fact) what are we to do about the fact that one volcano can spew out in a short period more CO2 than all of the cars and power plants in the world combined? Perhaps we could wedge Al Gore in there likes some thieving, fat, bludging, enviro-lying cork?
“So, PKD, how do you explain periods in earth’s history prior to any industrial emissions of CO2 and the ascent of man, when the ppmv of CO2 in the atmosphere was VASTLY higher than it is today?”
Oh yeah, forgot to add: and the climate was COOLER. An important detail that the IPCC cultists don’t like.
And don’t forget to check out KeeleyNet.com, a very hard working man for a long time,What’sNew, who has been on about energy systems and matters cars etc.Not a Greenie,but,not necessarily opposed to new competitive endeavours..an enterpriser ! Sometimes I cannot understand his attitudes,but, they are not presented on a purely unthinking base.There have been many good ideas emerging re powering of cars,one of the latest is Alkanes,with a little bit of luck,it could be a breakthrough.Been playing around with aluminium pie dishes today salt, and a dog repeller ,and have sought to make the salt dance,by the vibration across the pie dish.Can’t help it! I am a tinfoil Leftist,at the best of times.Vibrations and resonance intrigue me,got some Bi Carb soda to zing to a commercial pest repeller sending out ultrasonics and magnetic pulses.Somewhere near the carburettor,I could see the advantage of and interaction with the fuel vapour,but, I need to bone up on a few matters.Great video above,going to have another look.
So, PKD, how do you explain periods in earth’s history prior to any industrial emissions of CO2 and the ascent of man, when the ppmv of CO2 in the atmosphere was VASTLY higher than it is today…and the climate was COOLER. ?
If you’d like to point me to the evidence you are specifically referring to Abu – then I’ll certianly have a look and a think about it.
Here’s a link to a press release from one of those places where scientists hang out, uhm watchamcallems… universities:
http://www.ncsu.edu/news/press_releases/04_01/026.htm
And here’s a link to an article that acknowledges pre-industrial variance. I chose this one as an example because the authors are pushing your own line, that there is a temperature-CO2 linkage. Thought it’d be less painful for you to hear it from your own side. You’ll have to pay the fee to read the whole thing:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/324/5934/1551
Partial pressure of CO2 was over 31 atmosphere’s higher! Over a million years ago – and life was flourishing on the earth. Isn’t science wonderful?
For an article that breaks the AGW warmy-CO2 link, see also:
Veizer, J. Godderis, Y. and Francois, L. M. 2000: Evidence for decoupling of atmospheric CO2 and global climate during the Phaneroozoic eon, Nature 408: 698-701.
They’re talking about a study encompassing half a billion years. Not the few centuries the AGW crowd prefer to focus on.
They’re talking about a study encompassing half a billion years. Not the few centuries the AGW crowd prefer to focus on.
Strange – most denialists criticise AGW for using geological records (ice cores etc) going back millions of years, claiming them to be unreliable. You seem to be suggesting that the records *are* reliable and disprove AGW.
Interesting.
Anyway – the item about dinosaurs doesn’t really prove anything either way. It just says that dinosaurs grew so big because of a warmer climate. BTW estimates dinosaurs weight was recently discovered to have been up to 50% to high – causing a majopr rethink about what we know about dinosaurs.
As for the other link, I quote you…
These estimates are consistent with a close linkage between atmospheric CO2 concentration and global climate, but the lack of a gradual decrease in interglacial PCO2 does not support the suggestion that a long-term drawdown of atmospheric CO2 was the main cause of the climate transition.
Which states simply that CO2 is *closely* linked to global climate (supporting AGW) but that the ice-age was not chiefly caused by CO2 (which does nothing to disprove AGW, just ackowledging that there are more factors affecting climate than CO2).
But – *neither* of your links (apologies if I missed it in the text though) supports your claim that the CO2 was both higher than today and the climate was cooler .
So again, if you can point me to the specific evidence that supports your claim, I’ll certainly consider it!
Sorry for the typos BTW – I have a 2 year old jumping on my lap!!!
The Earth is cooling and soon it will be so cold we will all be laughing at PKD and the rest of the AGW
suckersbelievers.*Yawn* – Do grow up Shawn – you’re not in the 5 year-olds playground anymore…
The Earth is cooling
The sky is purple
Smoking has nothing to do with cancer
Sarah Palin will be prez in ‘12
Michael Jackson is still alive
Big Brother is great TV
Collingwood will win the 09 flag
With you all the way Shawn!!
“Strange – most denialists criticise AGW for using geological records (ice cores etc) going back millions of years, claiming them to be unreliable. You seem to be suggesting that the records *are* reliable and disprove AGW.
Interesting.”
No, you’re the one who’s interesting. AGW believers are very selective about geological records. They choose narrow snap shots that suit their argument. (Read Plimer’s book for an overview of that tactic amongst the AGW brethren).
Anyway, I’m not going to play this little game of “I don’t like your proofs. Bring me another shiny bauble.” I know that sounds petty, but actually it’s practical. The reason being that you have shown a failure to READ what I posted, otherwise you would have understood that the second study cited (which discusses high PCO2) encompassed a period including the scope of the last 4 million years (Neogene to Quaternary). In other words, an ice age.
Now I linked the first piece not because of any link between CO2 and temperature (the last piece argues that there is no link) but for the simple fact that there have been periods of far higher PCO2 and life has not only flourished, but grown to gargantuan proportions AND there has been no industrial source of that high CO2. Thus:
“My work involves measuring how modern ginko trees react to Cretaceous-like atmospheres, and how the HIGHER LEVELS OF OXYGEN AND CARBON DIOXIDE affect the leaves’ nutritive value and digestibility. We’re also comparing these experimental ginko leaves with fossilized ginko leaves from the Cretaceous period to help verify our work.”
The point is, the sky won’t fall on our heads if CO2 increases, no matter how much you moan and rave about it.
Isn’t science wonderful?
I’d argue Abu, that the 2nd article on dinousaurs needs to be completely re-evaluated by the authors. Their basic premise – that dinosaurs we’re massive and therefore needed accordingly massive amounts of vegetation, must be questionable now that there is new sizing research showing dinosaurse to have been upto 50% lighter than thought of at the time of the research (2004). Lighter dinosaurs need less vegetation to support their small mass – no?
I did only read the free part of your piece Abu and even from that, your claim of…
the ppmv of CO2 in the atmosphere was VASTLY higher than it is today…and the climate was COOLER
…I think I can now see what you’re getting at. You’re quite right, you can indeed have an ice age with higher CO2 levels…but where you’re wrong is that thats allowable even in AGW science because nowhere in AGW does it state that CO2 is the *only* factor affecting global temperature. Ice ages, when they happen (and we are due for another) are much more powerful factors than CO2 levels. But ice ages don’t mean that CO2 isn’t also a factor…
the sky won’t fall on our heads if CO2 increases
…and if there was definitive scientific proof that CO2 increases from AGW won’t adversely impact the worlds climates then its yet to be published! Ultimately, the thing *no-one* knows definitively is what the impact will be – whether beneficial, benign, adverse or catastrophic. My personal view hedges to adverse as its where most of the evidence seems to point – but YMMV.
I suspect the only way we’ll scientifically know in a way that EVERYONE will agree on…is after the event. But then of course (as the great Nicol WIlliamson once said of the future)..”its too late!!!”
And lastly yes – science IS wonderful!
…and if there was definitive scientific proof that CO2 increases from AGW won’t adversely impact the worlds climates then its yet to be published!
The CO2 levels have been increasing for ten years and the temperatures have been stable and now are decreasing.
Algore, the MSM and your government has played you for a sucker.
For your viewing pleasure.
We will need another Reagan to clean up this economic mess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDMksN-ZTR4&feature=related
I vote Ray Dixon most likely to go postal.
Indeed it has no significant effect at all.
But let’s assume for a moment that it does… you note it’s not the only factor. So why are governments only focused on Carbon reduction?
Look, that was a rhetorical question. I’ve no interest in the answer.
Look, that was a rhetorical question. I’ve no interest in the answer.
A shame Abu – for a moment there I was almost fooled into thinking you were genuinly interested in a science debate. I guess you weren’t as open about talking the science through as you 1st appeared…
Coldest June in New York since 1958.
Second most rain on record.
There’s about a couple hundred million people over here still waiting for Summer to start. Yep, pretty soon people are going to catch onto the scam. And then what will the AGW believers do? Go down with the ship or dress up like girls and jump in a lifeboat?
http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&product=PNS&issuedby=OKX
I’ve put my view, PKD. I know you won’t change yours. What’s to discuss?
Well now I know you weren’t geniunly interested in any science debate you are right Abu – there is nothing left to discuss.
Very true PKD. Now we just watch the Earth cool.
Debate? Pure sophistry.
I thought you had nothing to discuss Abu!
If only there was an emoticon for “flipping the bird”. That would be cool. But then, all the dorks who use emoticons now would use it and make it uncool.
Yes, what a shame – guess you’ll just have to go as frustrated as your avatar picture looks without your little emoticon…
What if this is as clever as you get, PKD? Ever ask yourself that?
ten degrees below normal again today. All of Canda and most of the US is in a deep freeze and not a peep from Algore or the media.
Of course Algore is busy since he now thinks he is Winston Churchill fighting the Nazi’s. He doesn’t realize he is the Nazi. A delusional man with hundreds of millions in his pocket from this scam.
Al Gore invokes spirit of Churchill in battle against climate change
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6658672.ece
You would need to be a nutter to believe Algore.
Don’t you think?
Thanks for the link Shawn and yes you have to be mad to believe that AL Gore is worth listening to on anything.
*sigh* I’ll refer the 3 of you to the 1st sentence of my 1st comment on this post…
Frost in the Summer. Some global warming.
Last night it was cold here. Usually it is about high 80’s or 90’s and humidity you can cut with a knife. This low temperature has gone on for months and not a peep from the MSM (mainstream media).
Of course even the fool voters we have today will question why it is so cold, after all these decades that CO2 has heated the Earth to unbearable levels.(according to Algore and PKD)
If PKD had 3 miles of ice bearing down on him he would still be pushing the AGW scam. Some kind of chemical imbalance in the head.
“Frost has never been reported before in July”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/08/weve-never-had-frost-in-july/
“*sigh* I’ll refer the 3 of you to the 1st sentence of my 1st comment on this post…”
Thanks, matey.
CO2 has heated the Earth to unbearable levels.(according to Algore and PKD)
I’ve never said anywhere that CO2 has heated to the Earth to unbearable levels. Another Shawn Whelan lie there I’m afraid folks…
Okay. Thanks matey.
Somehow I wonder if you are a being as sincere there Abu as you we’re in that debate we just had (i.e NOT).
I’ve never said anywhere that CO2 has heated to the Earth to unbearable levels. Another Shawn Whelan lie there I’m afraid folks…
Just tell me with all this global warming why is it so cold?
Normal people can’t understand how AGW is turning the Earth so cold.
Only PKD, Algore and a few others are capable of understanding that.
Because Shawn its *not* actually that cold – you’re just exagerating it.
Indeed the satellites are showing surface temperature for the year to be almost (climatic) average.
Come back and let me know when it gets well below average for a decent period (and not just a few weeks weather) and you might have a case…
Indeed the satellites are showing surface temperature for the year to be almost (climatic) average
So what is the climatic average?
A few cherry picked decades?
The cooling of the Earth is going to make you look very foolish.
Great – so you don’t even know what climatic average is.
Case dismissed…
Great – so you don’t even know what climatic average is.
Case dismissed
I want you to tell me how they determine the climatic average?
Did they takre the Little Ice Age into account or the Medieval Warming or did they just cherry pick what they wanted as climatic average? (yes they cherry picked their data)
A continuing series in, “As the World Cools”.
No Shawn – you don’t get to make demands anymore – at least not until you learn to stop lying habitually on AGW…
You mean he doesn’t get to use your standard modus operandi of making demands and then new demands on top of new demands when you don’t like the answers? Hardly fair.
Err – sorry to disappoint you but thats nothing like my standard modus operandi Abu…you and your avatar will have to go frustrated again…
It doesn’t matter how many times you say it. It won’t wash.
Say what? That AGW is happening? I guess it indeed won’t wash if you’re an ideological denialist like those at the Climate ‘Sceptic’ Party demo yesterdays…all 30 of them…
PKD, I am seriously considering joining the Sceptic party, they’ve all got their heads screwed on straight, not like those namby-pamby greens. Even Turnbull is selling out the libs.
Great – you can be protester number 31 at the next one!
In all seriousness, there are few genuine sceptics out there, most are denialists who pretend they are sceptics – you might notice a few here…
Time will tell pretty quickly which ones the CSP are…
Climate change is happening.
That man drives climate change is not proven and indeed unlikely.
It doesn’t matter how much you slip and slide and pontficate and elide, accuse people of invalidity when they use your prized tactics, or conflate denial with skepticism. You are on shaky ground but cannot see it because you have embraced a religion whose key attraction is the ability to position yourself within a majority that bullies a convenient ‘other’. Welcome to your new gang. Your current mentality shares a lot with religion, fascism, communism and various other totalitarian mindsets.
In the meantime, there’s a big wide world of scientific discovery waiting for you when you wake from this dream state and realise that science does not equate with consensus:
http://petesplace-peter.blogspot.com/2008/04/peer-reviewed-articles-skeptical-of-man.html
Yes – well done in summing up the state of mind of denialists like Shawn there Abu.
Science will indeed win out in the end and we shouldn’t let those nasty wing wing denialists in the payroll of the oil companies railroad the science!
Only point you got wrong there though Abu is I am sure a typo. AGW is not proven and indeed *likely*, given the weight of the science so far – I’m sure you just slipped up there!
I didn’t mention AGW. I said “climate change”.
Try reading with accuracy. It will be less embarrassing for you.
Oh I *know* what you meant Abu – and frankly your showing your true colours at last.
You can’t debate the science, so resort to silly insults that do nothing except show your own denialist mentality. Thats soooo much easier than having an open deabte on the science facts – where you know your on shaky ground.
Unbelievable. Breathtaking hypocrisy. More front than Myers. Idiocy combined with arrogance – what a lethal combination.
As an aside, writing “sooooooo” doesn’t make it “so”.
Neither does your whinging ‘claims’ of hypocrisy front and idiocy – unless you were unintentionally writing your auotbiography perhaps…*sigh*
heh – the comma snuck into the wrong place, but I’m sure you’ve got the gist…
I sure did. I’m very conversant with your elision, flip-flopping and general bullshit by now.
Abu – I’m getting rather tired of playing your childish insults back with a straight bat.
Either learn to grow up and start debating the science properly and being civil, or just go somewhere where people will happily act as juvenile back to you as you are.
*sigh*
Now, now. Don’t try and muddy the tracks.
You’re the science denialist, dear boy. I love the way that you wait until there’s some time and distance between us and any posts about the science, so you try and sneak in this horseshit sophistry about you wanting to debate the issue. You aren’t interested in debate. That’s very clear and your old posts remain – so enough rewriting of history.
You get the posts you deserve, PKD, so you only have yourself to blame.
Dear oh dear Abu – I’m sure you’re trying to be polite and civil – but you just can’t help yourself and be rude and juvenile can you?
Reading your constant swearing is like reading someone with the blogging equivalent of Tourettes.
And now for your latest trick – trying to accuse me of what I’ve been accusing you of. But as we know – you ran away from the science debate we *tried* to have when you became ‘not interested’ in hearing my answer (not that I’m sure you were being sincere in the 1st place) – not I. Its monkey see, monkey do ‘copycat’ time.
So sadly Abu, only one of us is in denial – and its not me.
In fact mate I’m happy to debate the science any time you grow up and stop being like a kiddie in the playground and want to debate the facts properly.
Any time at all! Somehow I think I’ll be in for a long wait…
Okay, PKD. Noted.
Cool – I am sure Iain will put up some piece soon and we can get down to the real business!
Okay, PKD. Your views are noted.
i will sum up PKD’s beliefs.
Big government good.
What causes people to want the government to baby sit their lives? do they feel incapable of running their own lives and finances?
So they buy into foolishness like global warming and left holding the bag while Algore lines his pockets with 100’s of millions.
It’s cold over here this Summer. Even the most foolish of voters are wondering where their global warming went while they shiver.
i will sum up PKD’s beliefs.
Big government good.
Completely incorrect – unsurprisingly. Shawns knowledge of my ‘beliefs’ are almost as bad as his knowledge of AGW.
*sigh*
BTW Shawn – should I take that incorrect assertion of yours as another lie, or just another mistake on your part???
Completely incorrect – unsurprisingly. Shawns knowledge of my ‘beliefs’ are almost as bad as his knowledge of AGW.
*sigh
So unwillinging to admit the truth.
It is quite humorous.
The trurth? Your history of serial lying of AGW, I am surprised you know how to spell it.
You see Shawn you should know by now – I am never going to let you get away with baseless allegations and smears. Yet again you are making a wild and truthless claim. Your childishness is par for the course by now I’m afraid.
And I see you dodged the question – lie or a simple mistake – given you have provided no evidence to back yourself up with…as usual.