Reading this story I can’t help but think that the efforts of feminists to make women less ashamed of being a victim of sexual assault and rape is having an unintended consequence, namely that as it becomes less shameful for a woman to admit that she has been thus violated it also becomes easier for some women to do what would have previously been just about unthinkable, to make a false accusation of rape .
- Joanne Rye was handed an eight month prison sentence for falsely claiming she was raped in an alleyway. File photo
Joanne Rye, who kept up the lie for 20 months, was told by a judge her behaviour was despicable and was handed an eight month prison sentence.
The mother-of-one caused great shame and disgrace to devout Muslim Sherekhan Kali and his family after claiming that he dragged her down an alleyway and assaulted her.
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‘What she did was thoroughly reprehensible. But it has not been every case where a woman who has cried rape has gone into custody.’
Miss Morris said Rye, who worked in catering for the elderly, knew her boyfriend was not equipped to deal with a young baby. Her mother would have to give up her job to care for the child.
But jailing Rye for a ‘modest’ eight months, Judge Crawford Lindsay, QC, said he had no doubt the matter was so serious there had to be an immediate prison sentence.
‘I consider this to be a despicable offence,’ he said. ‘You made an allegation that this entirely innocent taxi driver had raped you.
‘It was fully investigated with the consequences that police time and doctors’ time was wasted in the investigation.’
It was not until the first day of her trial in June this year that she ‘faced the inevitable’ and owned up.
‘This is a case where the victim is a strict Muslim, who regularly attends to his beliefs and prays regularly,’ said Judge Lindsay.
‘At the police station, intimate samples were taken. Having another female touch a part of his body is forbidden. It would bring shame on his family. As a consequence, he left this country for a period.’
When he returned to work, Mr Kali was frightened of having women in his cab and would go home.
‘So we have a man of blameless character who is subjected to your dishonesty and trumped up allegation,’ said the judge.
‘It is clear when you are in drink, you are loud-mouthed. You have a young child but that is a matter which does not in my judgment prevent a penalty for an allegation that is easily made and had a serious effect on the victim.
‘He suffered the suggestion there is no smoke without fire.’
With the ascendency of the feminist ethos we have also seen the rise of a generation of young women who are as hard drinking and thuggish as many of the young males of their generation. They believe in nothing but the hedonistic desire to get ratarsed at every opportunity and they have absolutely no moral compass at all. Theirs is a mindset where they demand their rights but disavow any responsibility. The young woman that will now enjoy the comforts of one of Her Majesties fine hotels is a mother and I can’t help but think that her child is the one who will be punished for the mothers lies.
It is a worrying world Comrades
Filed under: Ethical questions, Feminst faith, Gender Issues, Justice, Law, Leftism, Men and Women, Misandry, the Law | Tagged: Joanne Rye, Sherekhan Kali
Too right Iain, I’m with you on this. All these women who get drunk and act like whores should just shut the hell up and take it from whoever decides to give it to them. And the ones who falsely accuse men of rape, well, they should have their breasts cut off, Ripper-style.
Iain again, there is an implication here that is despicable. Namely, you appear to blame feminism/feminists for ‘false accusations of rape’, and to blame what you see as deteriorating standards of behaviour among women for rape.
Here you have provided one example of someone making a false accusation. It’s newsworthy because it’s so rare, unlike rape which, tragically, happens every single day, all over the world, thousands of times.
You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the incidence of false accusations has increased since “the advent of feminism” or whatever. You have not evinced any sympathy for victims of rape. And your last paragraph comes frighteningly close to the assertion that drunk or “badly behaved” or “uppity” women deserve to be raped. This is reprehensible.
You’re not having a good week, are you mate? Why don’t you take a holiday?
Your suggestion above is ludicrous, re read what I actually said rather that what you imply my meaning to be I specificly say :
Now I am not blaming feminists for false accusations I am saying that the way that they have changed the way that women think about rape has made it easier for some women to make such accusations.But further to that I say that this is an unintended consequence to boot.
I have considered this issue a number of times(here, here here and here) citing several examples and I have also made the point that such false accusations are serious because they make it even harder for genuine claims of rape to be believed and for real rapists to be appropriately convicted and punished.
I did not ever argue that feminism has led an increase in the incidence of false accusations of rape my suggestion is that it has become easier for some women to make such claims which is another matter entirely.
I suggest tht you read my comments policy Matey, because if you want to continue playing here I suggest that you stop trying to play the troll.
Wow !!
This is your finest work yet.
And well done to wales, scotland, ireland and england in bejing.
With the ascendency of the feminist ethos we have also seen the rise of a generation of young women who are as hard drinking and thuggish as many of the young males of their generation
And what the hell has that got to do with the price of fish?
What this women did was disgusting, and she has been punsihed by the law for that. What I DON’T understand is why you then try and blame the “feminist ethos” for this womens actions.
Iain, I’m not trolling – I’m asking legitimate questions about your post, which it seemed to me made a number of claims that were difficult for me to accept.
And I couldn’t put it better than Keri did:
What I DON’T understand is why you then try and blame the “feminist ethos” for this womens actions.
While I am happy to accept that feminism has had some benefits for our society there is no doubt that it is responsible for the rise of the “ladette” to use the UK parlance.
When you take away all constraints upon feminine drinking behaviour as demanded by feminist ideology why are you surprised that some women then behave just as badly as men when in their cups?
Personally I am for all intents and purposes a teetotaller and I think that women taking up male drinking habits is not a plus for society in general.
Jason,
why pray tell do you now change your identity?
and I have actually answered your points above.
That’s probably somethin my father would no doubt agree with you on, Iain, given he hates me drinking pints. But then again, if it’s good enough for the Goose, it’s good enough for the Gander.
You haven’t explained why this womans actions are the fault of a “feminist ethos”
Nor has the article explained why her being “mouthy” whilst drunk has contributed to the fact that she kept up the lie until the first day of the trial.
Hi Iain
I wasn’t happy to be accused of anonymous “trolling” when I think this is a serious issue.
I am also finding more things to comment on on your blog. I’m no longer just “visiting”, so you should know who I am. I’ll maintain this ID on your blog from now on.
What’s the difference? If you’re saying its easier, wouldn’t that necessarily mean it happens more often?
You never seem to talk about the benefits, though… And i still think that this post comes close to excusing rape on the basis of womens’ behaviour.
I still don’t agree with your implication that ONE false rape accusation is an indictment of feminism. It just isn’t. What about personal responsibility? What about punishment fitting the crime? This individual woman has committed a crime and been punished. You can’t blame feminism – blame her.
i still think that this post comes close to excusing rape on the basis of womens’ behaviour.
Hang on Jason. Iain might be going a bit overboard on the anti-feminism thing (although he has a point about women emulating male behaviour) but he certainly has not suggested anything that would warrant your accusation above. That’s going a bit far with the criticism.
Give him hell for being a ‘chauvinist’ if you like but not for being an encourager of vile crimes.
Ray, I don’t think Iain is endorsing rape. Not at all. Categorically not. I’m not saying he’d encourage rape either.
What I’m suggesting is that this sort of stuff comes close to blaming the victim.
The moral compass of women shouldn’t be an issue when we’re talking about this subject. Or Iain needs to be clearer. And I don’t think such “bad behaviour” has anything to do with feminism per se
I could be misreading the post – I hope so – but I just really do object to this person’s crime being tied to an entire movement that Iain disagrees with. Just like Iain would rightly object to me trying to tie everything criminal particular men might do to men in general.
Well maybe he should explain it better but I didn’t interpret that the way you have, Jason. I think Iain’s just used an extreme example of post-modern feminism (maybe too extreme) to demonstrate his point.
He’s hardly blaming the “victim” though, who in this case was a male.
But I agree he hasn’t ‘made his case’ that this crime stems from the feminist movement. Maybe she was just an habitual liar.
Keri
When people create an elaborate lie there is a tendency for them to keep up the fiction, it is harder to change your story the longer it goes on, the lie this woman has told becomes tied up with her personal credibility and to admit the lie would be too difficult, even when the weight of evidence was against her. My guess is that her lawyers finally convinced her that she would go to prison for a much longer time unless she actually ‘fessed up and saved the state the cost of a lengthy trial.
Jason
As you are new to my blog I will explain that I have been the target of a number of sustained trolling campaigns and it has made me rather suspicious of anonymous commentators (especially ones who make suggestions that I should take ” holiday”) a .So thank you for ‘de cloaking ” and I will look forward to some spirited argument because it seems clear to me that You and I differ on a number of issues.( difference is good)
False accusations of rape are according to feministas exceedingly rare and I think that you will find that historically speaking that it is very hard to know exactly how frequent they actually were and by the same token if we can’t tell how frequent they were in the past it will be just as difficult to get any objective judgement of any increase in their frequency now.What I am saying is that when you change the way that rape is perceived and even to some extent ennoble victims of violation rather than make them objects of shame or pity. It must make it easier for them to make a malicious accusation because they face lesser social approbation as a “rape Victim” now than a woman would have done in the past.
If I had in tended to do that Jason I would have said that, because I am a plain speaking man. I believe absolutely that NO means No But the woman has to make it unequivocally make it clear that she is actually saying no in the first place and if she does not do that because she is too pissed or too stupid then she has to take some responsibility for the consequences of her own (self administered ) inebriation.
Like lots of social ideas (in this case that men and women are equal in their humanity) feminism has not been an unqualified “good” as the many thousands of women who bought into the feminist “career first family later ” lie will tell you in the waiting rooms of fertility clinics where they desperately dream of the children they previously forswore over the scramble up the corporate ladder. Now I am not “blaming” feminism for this woman’s crime but I am saying that changing attitudes have helped to shape the way she thinks and that feminism has been part of that change. I agree it is a matter of her personal responsibility for her actions and I aplaud the fact that she has actually received a custodial sentence but 8 months (and she will probably serve less than half of that) is hardly commensurate with her crime when you consider that the man who was the target of her lies could have gone to prison for ten years.
The Moral compass of all people is important Jason and what makes anyone behave the way they do should be something that we consider fully.
I suspect that in your heart of hearts that you want to believe that feminism and feminist theory are an unmitigated social good thing. Well all that I am saying here is that it is more like some of the computer software that we all use and find generally does a good job but that it has a few glitches, annoying bugs that we hope will be fixed in the next upgrade.
You’ve still to explain why the rise in the feminist ethos is to blame in this – or any – case.
And this is the comment that disturbs me: “They believe in nothing but the hedonistic desire to get ratarsed at every opportunity and they have absolutely no moral compass at all. Theirs is a mindset where they demand their rights but disavow any responsibility.”
What, exactly, are you claiming “they” should take responsibility for?
And it’s a big leap from drinking like a man to having “no moral compass at all”
Keri
I think I more than adequately addressed this point in my comment to Jason above.
Well in the first instance I am referring to the hard drinking “ladette” subculture here and they think nothing of engaging in drunken casual sex (Erica Jong’s much vaunted “zippless fuck”) Theirs is clearly a life of hedonistic self-gratification with no care at all for the consequences or the future.
What I say they should take responsibility for is the consequences of their life choices. But I expect that if they were to stagger out in front of a bus you would want to blame the bus driver if they are splattered on the pavement.
Maybe, but it is not such a leap to suggest that if they drink like a drunkard that they have no moral compass now is it?
“they think nothing of engaging in drunken casual sex (Erica Jong’s much vaunted “zippless fuck”) Theirs is clearly a life of hedonistic self-gratification with no care at all for the consequences or the future.
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Uh, what? You can’t have casual sex without thinking of the “consequences of the future”? I think you’ll find that’s incorrect, Iain.
Men have certainly manged it for decades.
“What I say they should take responsibility for is the consequences of their life choices. But I expect that if they were to stagger out in front of a bus you would want to blame the bus driver if they are splattered on the pavement.
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Why not just come out and say it, Iain? You think if a woman is drunk , they engage in casual sex and they get raped they should “take responsibility” for it, don’t you?
Theirs is a mindset where they demand their rights but disavow any responsibility.
Responsibility for what Iain? What is it that you feel these drunk women should take responsibility for?
There are reasons that the particular cohort of young women are called “ladettes” Keri and the fact that young men have behaved this way for decades is no reason to laud similar behaviour in their female equivalents.
Keri I would never claim that any woman who is actually raped is responsible for it(although they may do so themselves) but getting so ratarsed that they wake up in a strangers bed and regret it or if hey have sex with stranger in toilet and regret it is not rape.
Mondo
I have answered essentially the same question form Keri Mondo so I suggest that you re read my comments above.
Actually, Iain, if the man took advantage of the fact the woman is “so ratarsed” she can’t consent to sex, it IS rape, under the law.
And just for accuracy, if you’re after a “zipless fuck” and have sex with someone in a toilet, you’re unlikely to wake up in their bed. You’d go home to your own, having gotten what you wanted.
And man, I’m having a bad day with the spelling!
Keri – it is not correct to state that a man can be charged with rape simply due to the level of intoxication of the girl involved. Lack of consent must be clearly communicated in order for a rape charge to be sustained. Arguing that “I was so drunk I didn’t know what I was doing” won’t cut it, nor should it.
Iain – women DO take responsibility for drunken sex that they regret the next day. Thousands of them take responsibility for it on a weekly basis – the fact that you can cherry pick the few extremely rare instances where individual women don’t take responsibility, and instead falsely accuse the man of rape, proves nothing other than that it very occasionally happens. The incidence of false rape accusations is miniscule compared with the incidence of real rape accusations – shit, it’s miniscule compared to the incidence of real rapes that don’t get reported, or real rapes that aren’t successfully prosecuted.
In the grand scheme of things a handful of false rape accusations – almost all of which are exposed – is a tiny blip compared to the levels of sexual violence being perpetrated against women on an hourly basis, much of which doesn’t even get reported. And yet, as you point out above, you have focused on the ‘false rape’ issue at least four times in the past, each time attempting to present it as a growing epidemic.
Do you think that your quite obviously one-sided analysis of this issue, in which you have emphasised false rape allegations out of all proprtion to their actual incidence in real life, will encourage victims of sexual violence to speak out, or scare them into silence?
I can’t help but think that the efforts of feminists to make women less ashamed of being a victim of sexual assault and rape is having an unintended consequence
Do you really think that the empowerment of sexual assault victims to speak out is a feminist cause, rather than a general medical/law and order prerogative? Come on Iain – this is an utterly repugnant position for you to continue pushing in your ongoing vendetta against feminism.
Keri
No It ain’t as Mondo points out in his comment
I was offering two different scenarios Keri hence the use of the word “or” so you are wrong.
With that admission I will cease pointing out your mistakes then OK?
Mondo
No you misrepresent my position I have not been trying to suggest that It is a “growing epidemic at all rather i have been suggesting that even when it has been proven or admitted the courts do not consider such accusations serious enough to give the perpetrators substantial jail time and I have pointed out how feminists and their fellow travellers are so keen to down play the seriousness of the problem just as you do by suggesting that it is not a common problem and there for of no consequence.
My analysis which has focused on individual cases has been a great deal more even handed than you give me credit for and on each occasion that I have revisited this topic I have made the point that it is those who make false accusation who make it harder for real rape victims and not those of us who denounce those women who maliciously lie about being raped.
Why is it repugnant to suggest that changing social attitudes to rape (as a consequence of feminism is not necessarily all Good? And for the record I have no ongoing vendetta against feminism, I just think that it has had it’s day and we need to move beyond the Marxist inspired feminism of the past to wards a consideration of gender that is more about recognising the different aspects of male and female and valuing both equally.
Keri – it is not correct to state that a man can be charged with rape simply due to the level of intoxication of the girl involved. Lack of consent must be clearly communicated in order for a rape charge to be sustained. Arguing that “I was so drunk I didn’t know what I was doing” won’t cut it, nor should it.
No, that’s not what I was meant, Mondo. I said if a man (or woman, in the odd case) takes advantage of that state knowing that the person is not in a condition to consent.
“Iain – women DO take responsibility for drunken sex that they regret the next day. Thousands of them take responsibility for it on a weekly basis – the fact that you can cherry pick the few extremely rare instances where individual women don’t take responsibility, and instead falsely accuse the man of rape, proves nothing other than that it very occasionally happens. The incidence of false rape accusations is miniscule compared with the incidence of real rape accusations – shit, it’s miniscule compared to the incidence of real rapes that don’t get reported, or real rapes that aren’t successfully prosecuted”
Amen, Mondo, Amen.
Oh, and a self-correction. This statement is incorrect – I read what you’d written wrong, Iain –
And just for accuracy, if you’re after a “zipless fuck” and have sex with someone in a toilet, you’re unlikely to wake up in their bed. You’d go home to your own, having gotten what you wanted.
“No It ain’t as Mondo points out in his comment”
Read my reply to that comment.
“With that admission I will cease pointing out your mistakes then OK?”
Funy how you get all pissy when other people point out yours, yet you delight in pointing out others.
“feminists and their fellow travellers are so keen to down play the seriousness of the problem just as you do by suggesting that it is not a common problem and there for of no consequence.
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I think the only thing I’VE ever said on the issue is that it isn’t as prevelant as unreported sexual assaults or sexual assaults that cannot be proven. Which I believe is what Mondo was saying as well.
“And for the record I have no ongoing vendetta against feminism, I just think that it has had it’s day and we need to move beyond the Marxist inspired feminism of the past to wards a consideration of gender that is more about recognising the different aspects of male and female and valuing both equally.
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You need to go back and study the History textbooks, Iain. There were elements of Marxism in Marxist and Socialist feminism, but for the most part, liberal and even radical feminism came about as a result of the two world wars. Which you probably well know.
Keri, I don’t know which history books you’re reading, but feminism first became a movement with substantial influence (rather than being limited to isolated, individual thinkers) in about the 1850s – well before the two world wars. The first wave of feminism went into rapid decline after WWII.
Mondo, false accusations of rape are not rare. I considered posting an item on them myself but thought that reports of false accusations were so prevalent in the mass media that no-one would continue to doubt their existence.