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“Gay Fairy Tales for British Pupils”

Where do we draw the line when it comes to the promotion of homosexuality in schools? Pro homosexual activists like Arthur Vanderlay would have us believe that every school should be insisting that “Buggery 101“* be part of every child’s education. This report from Der Spiegel shows us just which way the wind is blowing in the UK.

School children in Britain learn about sexual diversity and alternative family structures from an early age. A state-supported pilot scheme run at 14 elementary schools — attended by children from the age of four to 11 — is stirring up trouble with its sexually liberal message.

Conservative parents and religious groups fear that stories like the one of the two princes in love could morally corrupt the children and promote homosexuality.

“I don’t mind what adults do in mutual consent”, says Andy Hebberd, founder of the Parent Organisation group, “But I’m not sure if this should be imposed on children.”(source)

Do parents want this sort of social engineering imposed on their children? Sadly I think it may be too late to object if you live in England but over here in Australia I think that we stand a chance of stopping this sort of madness because tolerance of homosexualality and measures to stop discrimination does not require that homosexuality   be promoted in our schools with books and programs such as this.

* Exaggeration for dramatic effect

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16 Comments

  1. Darlene says:

    * Exaggeration for dramatic effect

    Lucky you put that bit in, Iain.

    I think teaching tolerance (blah, what a word) and promoting a lifestyle are two different things. As a woman, I have seen plenty of bridal pictures in all sorts of mags, but it hasn’t encourged me that I must do the deed. There’s all kinds of social engineering (the idea that a straight lifestyle is the only way to go is one of form of it).

    Imagine if you were a gay man and were the same loving decent person I presume you are. What if you had kids (from a previous relationship, whatever), wouldn’t you want their friends to learn that your love was equal to their straight parents.

  2. Iain says:

    Hello Darlene

    I think teaching tolerance (blah, what a word) and promoting a lifestyle are two different things.

    Exactly the sort of point That I am trying to make here.My Daughter is nearly eight and she is not getting any “homosexuals are the spawn of Satan” messages from me (and she does understand exactly what being Gay means) But sex and sexuality is a topic that should be explained by parents and not by ideologues in the schools.

  3. John S. says:

    Iain, your post very clearly belies your homophobic feelings. All this book is designed to do is teach tolerance to children. There is nothing wrong with being homosexual, but if parents want to teach children otherwise, that’s fine, they can homeschool them and teach them that homophobia alongside creationism.
    As for children being taught “buggery 101″, what planet are you on? leave that for sex ed when they’re in high school.

  4. Iain says:

    John
    You are not one who understands a nuanced argument are you?
    I am rather sanguine about the sexual orientation of anyone that is a matter between themselves and their maker (however they perceive it to be) I have in the past shared houses and friendships with people who bat for the other team. Now As I have said many times there is a great deal of difference between supporting the right for an individual to be openly homosexual without harassment and promotion of the gay agenda. As for your suggestion that those who don’t like this sort of social engineering having to “home school” that is a ludicrous; when you have children of your own your attitudes may mature enough to realise that it is not the right of teachers to decide what is to be taught to your children. Schools exist to teach children what their parents want them to learn, not so they can be indoctrinated with the leftist mindset.

    I find it most telling that you post a comment to this thread but you offered no opinion on the Hypocrisy of the left that was highlighted in the piece “Who are the hypocrites?” ah but on that occasion I published a piece that was in fact arguing for the right of gay man not to be vilified for his sexuality and being a conservative …

  5. John S. says:

    “promotion of the gay agenda”

    What exactly is that “gay agenda”? As for your use of the term social engineering, can’t you see that they are influencing children for the good, to be accepting and tolerant of others? This book isn’t going to make them gay.

    As for your suggestion that those who don’t like this sort of social engineering having to “home school” that is a ludicrous; when you have children of your own your attitudes may mature enough to realise that it is not the right of teachers to decide what is to be taught to your children.

    That’s people do, Iain, if they don’t like what schools are teaching their children. They homeschool them. Homosexuals are a reality, and one that shouldn’t be hidden from children. I would much prefered to have had a book like this about homosexuality when I was a child, as opposed to how I learned about it – from friends whose parents had homophobic views. My initial impression was the being gay is somehow wrong, which is insane.

    You have to remember that children won’t know about the sexual side of it until you teach them, which, of course, a primary school would never do as children aren’t mature enough to learn about sexuality of any kind.

    When it comes to it, Iain, what are you going to teach your children? That being gay is wrong?

  6. Iain says:

    John
    Did you read my reply to Darlene earlier in this thread?
    When I said
    .My Daughter is nearly eight and she is not getting any “homosexuals are the spawn of Satan” messages from me (and she does understand exactly what being Gay means) But sex and sexuality is a topic that should be explained by parents and not by ideologues in the schools.

    When it comes to Sex and Sexuality my children get the unbiased truth from me and from my wife.

    Now I don’t know your sexual orientation, nor do I care what it is, but if you had problems expressing it when you were younger you have my sympathy but don’t think for one minute that I harbor any hatred for any homosexual because they are what they are. My mind does not work like that at all.

  7. John S. says:

    Of course I did. But you’re only saying what message you won’t give, which is markedly different to saying what messages you will give. Iain, you clearly harbour something against homosexuals, and I am yet to hear what this “gay agenda” is.

  8. Iain says:

    John
    Are you really as thick as you seem?
    When I say I won’t be giving my children the message “homosexuals are the spawn of Satan” any normal person would read that as being a clear announcement that I wont be giving my children “anti Gay” responses when the topic comes up.
    Like all issues pertaining to sex and sexuality my clear policy is to let my children ask me when they are ready. The old paradigm of there being nothing said about such things until there is some great lecture on the topic is thankfully no longer that common.
    Why are you so sure that I “clearly harbour something against homosexuals,”?
    Is it because I have expressed a view that that I don’t support Gay marriage?
    Or is it because I don’t think that homosexuality should be promoted in schools?
    Or is it because I don’t think that gay couples should be able to adopt children?

    I take the attitude that consenting adults may do as they please in private and I even support something akin to a relationship register on the Tasmanian model But the “gay Agenda” seeking to subvert the role of marriage , the right to adopt children or for lesbians to make use of IVF services or to promote homosexuality in our schools as a positive lifestyle choice is just a bit too much.

  9. John S. says:

    come off it. your response that “I won’t be giving my children the message “homosexuals are the spawn of Satan”” is full of holes. Any “normal” person could see that.

    As for your constant bleating about “promoting homosexuality in schools as a positive lifestyle choice”, that is total nonesense, and exteremely outrageous. Do you mean it’s wrong to teach people that it’s ok to be gay? should they be taught it’s a negative lifestyle choice? although you say that you won’t give any anti-gay advice, I would seriously doubt that, especially seeing as you think being gay is something one chooses for a lifestyle.

    Talking to you is like talking to a parrot who can only recite right-wing Bolt approved buzzwords in place of an argument. As for you being against homosexuals? I certainly believe that, denying them rights shows you aren’t for them. I imagine the only reason you think they can do as they wish in private is because you can’t stop them.

    PS. Good to see you don’t resort to personal abuse when your position becomes (yet again) untenable.

  10. Iain says:

    John do you realize just how much like a screaming Queen you are sounding here?

    We both know that the tendency to same sex attraction is not an either or thing there is clearly a spectrum with absolutely heterosexual at one end and absolutely homosexual at the other. Now people at each end of that range have no trouble deciding what path they will take in their life but there are gray area’s as we move between the two extremes and for people in that zone it is definitely a matter of choice ,of lifestyle if you please. And It would be very remiss of me as a parent if I did not consider that promoting homosexuality to young people who fall into this category is at least problematic and not likely to be the best lifestyle choice. But I expect that you think that it makes me such a villain to say this.
    I think that there are some very pernicious aspects to the gay subculture that have a lot more to do with hedonistic promiscuity than the fact that individuals are of the same gender. But I suppose that is the consequence of a separation of the sex act from reproduction and long-term pair bonding.
    I imagine the only reason you think they can do as they wish in private is because you can’t stop them.
    No John I just don’t care what consenting adults do in private, as long as both are above the age of consent that is their own business.
    Good to see you don’t resort to personal abuse when your position becomes (yet again) untenable.
    Beside the fact that my position is most defensible , I avoid personal abuse when debating. You see I find it most telling, and sadly amusing that you constantly invoke the name of Andrew Bolt and suggest that I am just parroting his stance when in fact my opinions are my own.
    Now I know that you are a young chap starting out in the world so maybe one day you will appreciate that issues like this are not entirely black and white I don’t hate or even dislike homosexuals, I even appreciate gay humor (I’ve twice seen Julian Clary perform) but that does mean that every Gay cause (Marriage et al) , has to be unequivocally supported.
    I said before that mine is a nuanced position now I invite you to actually enunciate why you persist in claiming that I am a Homophobe when I am clearly not at all fearful of any one because of their sexual orientation.

  11. John S. says:

    hahaha. you’re lost in a maze of illogic and denials, Iain. As typical, your views are so shallow you can only go in circles. What you’ve written there is as about as nuanced as an episode of Home & Away, with just as many holes. I don’t even need to counter your argument against “promoting gay lifestyles to children” as the senselessness of yours does it on it’s own. You haven’t been around gay people for a long time. Incidentally, I’m not gay, but I was happy to foster that belief. Notice how your attitude towards me has changed since? Noticed how the tone of your comments on my site has changed too?

  12. Iain says:

    you’re lost in a maze of illogic and denials, Iain

    You have made the claim now back it up!

    Your style seems very much to make a statement that you see as being self evident and then fail completely to follow through with any proof what so ever.
    As for your being “not gay” I don’t give a rats arse one way or the other and my calling you a drama queen has nothing to do with who may choose to shag, but it has every thing to the way you have behaved.

  13. John S. says:

    Circular, Iain, in that you merely repeat yourself whilst making inherently untrue statements to support it like “I think that there are some very pernicious aspects to the gay subculture that have a lot more to do with hedonistic promiscuity than the fact that individuals are of the same gender. But I suppose that is the consequence of a separation of the sex act from reproduction and long-term pair bonding.” which shows you haven’t had any contact with gay people in rural queensland for a loooong time.
    BTW, you called a screaming queen, ie. a derogatory name for a gay person. Niiiiiiiice way to prove that you’re not homophopic.
    Now I’m off to let you get the last word in.

  14. The Editor says:

    But I suppose that is the consequence of a separation of the sex act from reproduction and long-term pair bonding.

    Ha ha ha! Iain said “the sex act”. Brilliant.

  15. John S. says:

    If you don’t mind, I’m off to do the sex act now.

  16. Iain says:

    Actually John I did not call you a screaming queen I said that you were sounding like one and there is a substantial difference between the two.
    and I am still waiting for you to demonstrate the flaws in my argument well I won’t be holding my breath while I wait.

    If you don’t mind, I’m off to do the sex act now.
    Oh yeah John, and we all know that you will by flying solo for that… 8)

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